KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?

[Charles W. Smith]

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- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Knox" <la...@lebanair.com>
To: "'KRnet'" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:33 PM
Subject: RE: KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?


We were looking for INTELEGENCE

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Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:22 AM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?


Good Grief!

Why  is there all this inane discussion, about ELTs or any other
regulations?


It's  such a simple procedure to e-mail the FAA.


Geeez . . . . . . . . .




An  ELT, in my opinion, is the same type of 'insurance'
as  motorcycle helmets on road machines and shoulder
harnesses & roll-over reinforcements in  aircraft.

I've  always figgered that anyone stooopid enough to do without these cheap
but very  effective forms of protection deserves to die.   Period.

Darwin referred to the survival of the  fittest.
Me  dear sainted Mother referred to it as, "Purification of the gene  pool."

Geez . . . . . . . .
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KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?

[Charles W. Smith]

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- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Knox" <la...@lebanair.com>
To: "'KRnet'" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:33 PM
Subject: RE: KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?


We were looking for INTELEGENCE

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From: krnet-bounces+larry=lebanair@mylist.net
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jtw...@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:22 AM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?


Good Grief!

Why  is there all this inane discussion, about ELTs or any other
regulations?


It's  such a simple procedure to e-mail the FAA.


Geeez . . . . . . . . .




An  ELT, in my opinion, is the same type of 'insurance'
as  motorcycle helmets on road machines and shoulder
harnesses & roll-over reinforcements in  aircraft.

I've  always figgered that anyone stooopid enough to do without these cheap
but very  effective forms of protection deserves to die.   Period.

Darwin referred to the survival of the  fittest.
Me  dear sainted Mother referred to it as, "Purification of the gene  pool."

Geez . . . . . . . .
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KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?

[Larry Knox]

We were looking for INTELEGENCE 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:22 AM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?


Good Grief!

Why  is there all this inane discussion, about ELTs or any other  
regulations? 


It's  such a simple procedure to e-mail the FAA.


Geeez . . . . . . . . . 




An  ELT, in my opinion, is the same type of 'insurance'
as  motorcycle helmets on road machines and shoulder
harnesses & roll-over reinforcements in  aircraft.

I've  always figgered that anyone stooopid enough to do without these cheap 
but very  effective forms of protection deserves to die.   Period.

Darwin referred to the survival of the  fittest.
Me  dear sainted Mother referred to it as, "Purification of the gene  pool."

Geez . . . . . . . .  
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KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?

[Larry Knox]

A-MEN

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Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 6:27 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: Re: KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?

Well said. Thank you  for the back-up about ELTs, Spot, whatever. 

Kinda like the NRA sez  about personal defense weapons & the legality of 
carryin' 'em:  Better  to be 'caught' with that concealed 9mm than to be 
'caught' without it . . . . .  . . .
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KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?

[Larry Knox]

You're looking for common sense in the wrong place. The government. But not
going to the 406 is not very sensible either. la...@lebanair.com

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Hall, Rodney CTR NNSY, C210
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:42 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: RE: KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?

I have to agree.

There were 8 people rescued in 5 incidents by aviation ELTs in 2009
according to NOAA/NTSB last year. They go off correctly 75% of the time,
originally it was 25% for the first generation. A major part of the
reason for going to 406Mhz is that each one has a identifier. They can
look up the identifier and usually eliminate a false alarm with a few
phone calls instead of sending out search and rescue only to have them
end up at the airport or a private airfield. 
On the other hand PLBs were instrumental in 3 times as many rescues and
the Marine equivalent of Elts were responsible for the vast majority  of
rescues at sea. When you consider the damage a plane will usually
sustain in an accident or when over water a fixed ELT seems like a poor
option to a PLB which you could activate if you survive and perhaps move
to a better area for sending a signal than buried under a canopy of
trees upside down. Bottom line though is it is mandatory until we can
talk them into allowing PLBs as a substitute. 

Personally I think items like SPOT are much more functional and useful
than a ELT.

Rodney

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From: krnet-bounces+rodney.r.hall.ctr=navy@mylist.net
[mailto:krnet-bounces+rodney.r.hall.ctr=navy@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Dana Overall
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 13:57
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: RE: KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?


Let's put it this way, in my alum RV I installed the elt antenna inside
the fuselage as I considered the thing to about as worthless as ti1s on
a boar hog.  Consider you go through the trees on the way down, it rips
the antenna off, the plane ends up upside down, antenna stuck in the
ground.  Even if it does transmit, a bear will probably eat your carcass
before they find you using the outdated triangulation search techniques.
High priced, worthless insurance in my book...but that is my opinion
only:-)  A spot at least provides a track and general area to start
looking.

With that said, single seat no, more than one yes.  Outdated FAA

Dana Overall 

1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host
Richmond, KY i39

http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackmagic.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMi05-WU2D0#GU5U2spHI_4
http://rvflying.tripod.com

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> Good Grief!

> Geeez . . . . . . . . . 


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KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?

[Larry Knox]

Too much time to make new regulations and not enough time or intelligence to
do anything beneficial. FAA (Government)

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From: krnet-bounces+larry=lebanair@mylist.net
[mailto:krnet-bounces+larry=lebanair@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Dana
Overall
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:57 AM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: RE: KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?


Let's put it this way, in my alum RV I installed the elt antenna inside the
fuselage as I considered the thing to about as worthless as ti1s on a boar
hog.  Consider you go through the trees on the way down, it rips the antenna
off, the plane ends up upside down, antenna stuck in the ground.  Even if it
does transmit, a bear will probably eat your carcass before they find you
using the outdated triangulation search techniques. High priced, worthless
insurance in my book...but that is my opinion only:-)  A spot at least
provides a track and general area to start looking.

With that said, single seat no, more than one yes.  Outdated FAA

Dana Overall 

1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host
Richmond, KY i39

http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackmagic.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMi05-WU2D0#GU5U2spHI_4
http://rvflying.tripod.com

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> Good Grief!

> Geeez . . . . . . . . . 


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KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?

[jtw...@aol.com]

Well said. Thank you  for the back-up about ELTs, Spot, whatever. 

Kinda like the NRA sez  about personal defense weapons & the legality of 
carryin' 'em:  Better  to be 'caught' with that concealed 9mm than to be 
'caught' without it . . . . .  . . .

KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?

[Mark Wegmet]

I think this falls under the category (cliché) of "it is better to have it
and not need it, than to need it and not have it".

JMHO

Mark W.
N952MW

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Hall, Rodney CTR NNSY, C210
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:56 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: RE: KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?

Cheap insurance?
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/avselector.php

The least expensive listed at aircraft spruce is $750.00 Most are over a
thousand. The vast majority of people will never need one and
historically they have caused more false alarms than rescues. Has anyone
on the list ever had an accident where an ELT was instrumental in their
rescue?

KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?

[Hall, Rodney CTR NNSY, C210]

I have to agree.

There were 8 people rescued in 5 incidents by aviation ELTs in 2009
according to NOAA/NTSB last year. They go off correctly 75% of the time,
originally it was 25% for the first generation. A major part of the
reason for going to 406Mhz is that each one has a identifier. They can
look up the identifier and usually eliminate a false alarm with a few
phone calls instead of sending out search and rescue only to have them
end up at the airport or a private airfield. 
On the other hand PLBs were instrumental in 3 times as many rescues and
the Marine equivalent of Elts were responsible for the vast majority  of
rescues at sea. When you consider the damage a plane will usually
sustain in an accident or when over water a fixed ELT seems like a poor
option to a PLB which you could activate if you survive and perhaps move
to a better area for sending a signal than buried under a canopy of
trees upside down. Bottom line though is it is mandatory until we can
talk them into allowing PLBs as a substitute. 

Personally I think items like SPOT are much more functional and useful
than a ELT.

Rodney

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From: krnet-bounces+rodney.r.hall.ctr=navy@mylist.net
[mailto:krnet-bounces+rodney.r.hall.ctr=navy@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Dana Overall
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 13:57
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: RE: KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?


Let's put it this way, in my alum RV I installed the elt antenna inside
the fuselage as I considered the thing to about as worthless as ti1s on
a boar hog.  Consider you go through the trees on the way down, it rips
the antenna off, the plane ends up upside down, antenna stuck in the
ground.  Even if it does transmit, a bear will probably eat your carcass
before they find you using the outdated triangulation search techniques.
High priced, worthless insurance in my book...but that is my opinion
only:-)  A spot at least provides a track and general area to start
looking.

With that said, single seat no, more than one yes.  Outdated FAA

Dana Overall 

1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host
Richmond, KY i39

http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackmagic.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMi05-WU2D0#GU5U2spHI_4
http://rvflying.tripod.com

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> From: jtw...@aol.com

> Good Grief!

> Geeez . . . . . . . . . 


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KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?

[Dana Overall]

Let's put it this way, in my alum RV I installed the elt antenna inside the 
fuselage as I considered the thing to about as worthless as ti1s on a boar hog. 
 Consider you go through the trees on the way down, it rips the antenna off, 
the plane ends up upside down, antenna stuck in the ground.  Even if it does 
transmit, a bear will probably eat your carcass before they find you using the 
outdated triangulation search techniques. High priced, worthless insurance in 
my book...but that is my opinion only:-)  A spot at least provides a track and 
general area to start looking.

With that said, single seat no, more than one yes.  Outdated FAA

Dana Overall 

1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host
Richmond, KY i39

http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackmagic.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMi05-WU2D0#GU5U2spHI_4
http://rvflying.tripod.com

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> From: jtw...@aol.com

> Good Grief!

> Geeez . . . . . . . . . 


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KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?

[Hall, Rodney CTR NNSY, C210]

Cheap insurance?
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/avselector.php

The least expensive listed at aircraft spruce is $750.00 Most are over a
thousand. The vast majority of people will never need one and
historically they have caused more false alarms than rescues. Has anyone
on the list ever had an accident where an ELT was instrumental in their
rescue?

As I understand it they are nor required for a single place plane but
must be installed in a 2 place or larger plane per the FAA.
I would have to agree with you about helmets and seatbelts but don't
think an ELT is in the same class as these active, immediate protective
devices. An ELT sends a signal saying "hey someone crashed over here" It
does nothing to PREVENT injury. It is more of a "Lets require this so we
know where to go for the bodies."

Rodney

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From: krnet-bounces+rodney.r.hall.ctr=navy@mylist.net
[mailto:krnet-bounces+rodney.r.hall.ctr=navy@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of jtw...@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:22
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?


Good Grief!

Why  is there all this inane discussion, about ELTs or any other
regulations? 


It's  such a simple procedure to e-mail the FAA.


Geeez . . . . . . . . . 




An  ELT, in my opinion, is the same type of 'insurance'
as  motorcycle helmets on road machines and shoulder
harnesses & roll-over reinforcements in  aircraft.

I've  always figgered that anyone stooopid enough to do without these
cheap 
but very  effective forms of protection deserves to die.   Period.

Darwin referred to the survival of the  fittest.
Me  dear sainted Mother referred to it as, "Purification of the gene
pool."

Geez . . . . . . . .  
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KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?

[Jack Cupp]

single place no elt required. Everyone else yes.  Jack C

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:22 AM,   wrote:
>
> Good Grief!
>
> Why  is there all this inane discussion, about ELTs or any other
> regulations?
>
>
> It's  such a simple procedure to e-mail the FAA.
>
>
> Geeez . . . . . . . . .
>
>
>
>
> An  ELT, in my opinion, is the same type of 'insurance'
> as  motorcycle helmets on road machines and shoulder
> harnesses & roll-over reinforcements in  aircraft.
>
> I've  always figgered that anyone stooopid enough to do without these cheap
> but very  effective forms of protection deserves to die.   Period.
>
> Darwin referred to the survival of the  fittest.
> Me  dear sainted Mother referred to it as, "Purification of the gene  pool."
>
> Geez . . . . . . . .
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KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?

[jtw...@aol.com]

Good Grief!

Why  is there all this inane discussion, about ELTs or any other  
regulations? 


It's  such a simple procedure to e-mail the FAA.


Geeez . . . . . . . . . 




An  ELT, in my opinion, is the same type of 'insurance'
as  motorcycle helmets on road machines and shoulder
harnesses & roll-over reinforcements in  aircraft.

I've  always figgered that anyone stooopid enough to do without these cheap 
but very  effective forms of protection deserves to die.   Period.

Darwin referred to the survival of the  fittest.
Me  dear sainted Mother referred to it as, "Purification of the gene  pool."

Geez . . . . . . . .