KR> Mgl, dynon,Garmin

2016-11-23 Thread brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com
I really love my GRT EFIS Sport and hard to beat the price for what you
get.





KR> Mgl, dynon,Garmin

2016-11-23 Thread Tony King
A variation on "don't let perfect be the enemy of good enough".  Well said
Larry.

Cheers,

Tony

On 23 November 2016 at 11:30, Larry Flesner via KRnet 
wrote:

>
> For builders still looking to get in the air, don't let prices like these
> discourage you.  Round gauges still work just fine and a cheap ipad running
> $69 a year software will get you anywhere you want to go.  If you don't
> have the ADS-B equipment installed just stay out of controlled airspace
> requiring it and look out the window for other aircraft.  Don't let the
> market place kill your dream of building / flying your own airplane.  It's
> too easy to get caught up in "I'd love to have it" rather than "I really
> need it".
>
> Larry Flesner
>


KR> Mgl, dynon,Garmin

2016-11-22 Thread Jeff Scott
The iFly software (and likely most others) can be set so the GPS attached to or 
installed as part of your ADS-B Receiver will be your primary GPS when it is 
receiving, and will default back to the internal GPS when it isn't.  I use the 
iFly Software with a SkyGuard TWX ADS-B on both an iFly 740 and a 7" Android.  
Each of those displays has it's own distinct advantage.  The iFly hardware is 
much more heat tolerant and rugged.  The Android (or ipad) can pick up weather 
via the cell network before the ADS-B wifi comes up, so you get all the TFRs 
and a nationwide radar snapshot and it has an extended battery life if you lose 
power for some reason. The iFly 740 keeps the power on long enough to shut 
down.  Somuch for their 15 minutes of battery time.  So far the iFly software 
is not displaying TFRs as provided by the ADS-B receiver.  That's supposed to 
be fixed in a future version.

-Jeff Scott
Los Alamos, NM

-

?I've been using an iPad in the airplane for several years, and am happy
?with it.
I took this advice and purchased the IPad mini because it fits on my panel in a 
holder that I built. ? The full ipad would never have fit. I installed it 
vertically to leave more room, I seem to be adding more stuff to my console. ?I 
purchased the iPad mini at a pawn shop for $25. ?Came with a case and charger. 
?I am running the ifly gps app, I like the bigger menus because of my fat 
fingers and airplane vibrations. I am not happy with my gps reception but plan 
to get the ads b with gps antenna that connects with wifi. ?I hope that will 
help.

Joe Nunley?CW2 US Army RetiredBaker JROTC Instructor?Baker Florida?



KR> Mgl, dynon,Garmin

2016-11-22 Thread Larry Flesner
At 04:42 PM 11/22/2016, you wrote:
>For my next project, the KR, I too am looking at options between Dynon and
>MGL.  The Dynon package we put into the 650 cost $14,400 with two auto-pilot
>servos.  That's a complete package.
+

For builders still looking to get in the air, don't let prices like 
these discourage you.  Round gauges still work just fine and a cheap 
ipad running $69 a year software will get you anywhere you want to 
go.  If you don't have the ADS-B equipment installed just stay out of 
controlled airspace requiring it and look out the window for other 
aircraft.  Don't let the market place kill your dream of building / 
flying your own airplane.  It's too easy to get caught up in "I'd 
love to have it" rather than "I really need it".

Larry Flesner 




KR> Mgl, dynon,Garmin

2016-11-22 Thread James McGauhey
I'm in WA, with Dynon just down the road.  We have several Dynon employees
in our EAA Chapter 84 and they have given us great support.  I have a KR
project to get to in about a year, but now building a Zenith CH-650 with 4
others.  We ask Dynon many questions and get immediate answers.  

As to the fuel flow issue, we were considering the injected version of Rotax
912, but opted for the carb version, and still have a return line.  We
looked at having both sensors to determine net fuel flow.  The sensors are
expensive.  Per Dynon suggestion, we have only 1 sensor and will adjust that
in the setup after we fly for the % of net fuel flow.  Apparently this is
easily done with the Dynon Skyview.  It seems the primary supply line sends
back a fairly consistent % of fuel back down the return line.  Dynon said
about 70% is the setting to start with, estimating about 30% will go back to
tanks via the return line.  Again, this is from Dynon suggestion and I have
no actual experience.  We did set up a double throw fuel switch so the
return line sends back to the supply tank as we switch.  Many others have
only one fuel return line going to one of the wing tanks.  That shouldn't
matter.  



The Dynon has many, many features that I am just learning.  Like never
having to twist a dial to set a frequency on the radio.  Just push the touch
screen airport icon and load frequencies, then Dynon radio has buttons for
Ground, Tower, Approach, Unicom, etc.  Of course, there are dials to use if
you want.  If you see you are using less fuel due to tailwind, and want to
extend your planned route, just touch airport icon further on and push
button to tell you if you have sufficient fuel to get there.  Over 100 pages
in the user manual and it will take a bit to learn, but wow, what features
and simplicity when you know how it all works.



For my next project, the KR, I too am looking at options between Dynon and
MGL.  The Dynon package we put into the 650 cost $14,400 with two auto-pilot
servos.  That's a complete package.  The Skyview itself is only $4K, but add
ADSB, transponder, intercom, radio, gps, etc, etc, and it soon adds up to
real money.  I think the MGL is less expensive and as much as I love Dynon,
I am on a tight budget.  Having 5 people share costs on the 650 is very
nice; I won't have that on the KR.  I have more than a year to make decision
on my KR project, but am reading anxiously and learning from all of you.  

Jim McGauhey

Washington State



KR> Mgl, dynon,Garmin

2016-11-22 Thread Rudi Venter
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Mark Langford via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

>
> Whatever you do, do NOT waste your money on an MGL iEFIS.  I've been
> meaning to write this up for several months, but I know it would take me
> many weeks to list the many hardware and software failures that I've had
> with mine.  I will attempt a "short list" tonight.  I agree with Rudi that
> the previous MGL units we apparently good, but the iEFIS is an exception.
>
> Please consider the lowly iPad or iPad Mini.  These things are bullet
> proof, and can run all kinds of apps with thousands of users and very well
> developed software.  I bought a practically new Mini from ebay for $154
> last week. More tonight...
>
> Mark Langford
> ML at N56ML.com
> http://www.n56ml.com
>
> Interesting point on the iEFIS Mark, I have not seen one of those in a
local plane but you are not the first one to mention problems with the
unit! Lately I have used the XTreme-EFIS with great results as well as some
of their older products. I also have lots of their digital instruments in
my planes and they all work well.

I fully agree on the iPad/mini, I have been using one for a while in the
plane and I am really happy running software like Air Nav Pro and the great
EasyCockpit/EasyPlan/EasyWeather (Southern Africa only I think) suite of
software.

Rudi Venter


KR> Mgl, dynon,Garmin

2016-11-22 Thread Rudi Venter
Hi Stef.

I might be slightly biased (it is a local product) but I think the MGL
products are really great! We have a lot of them installed at our local
field and everyone seems really happy. My personal experience has also been
great, it seems like a good product with good support and it is extremely
flexible to adapt to your setup.

Hope you get your KR flying soon!

Fly Safe,
Rudi

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Stef den Boer via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> Hi kr friends
> I am bussy with my engine cowling and finalise everything for the engine.
> The
> prop wil be next month arrive so we are making progress.
> In a few months in need to make a final decission about the efis I need to
> install.
> I made my mind up for the Garmin g3x, but this one cant measure the
> fuelflow
> from a puls for the injectiin system. It is possible but you have to use 2
> units
> to measure it. One in the pressure line And one in the return fuel line.
> So now
> I am again in a doubt for the latest MGL or Dynon system. If the money
> Bucket is
> not empty I will direct plan a auto pilot system.
> So what is your experiance with the Dynon or MGL.
> Europe nav database update cost? And more info is welkome.
> Thanks Stef
>
>


KR> Mgl, dynon,Garmin

2016-11-22 Thread bjoenunley


?I've been using an iPad in the airplane for several years, and am happy 
?with it.
I took this advice and purchased the IPad mini because it fits on my panel in a 
holder that I built. ? The full ipad would never have fit. I installed it 
vertically to leave more room, I seem to be adding more stuff to my console. ?I 
purchased the iPad mini at a pawn shop for $25. ?Came with a case and charger. 
?I am running the ifly gps app, I like the bigger menus because of my fat 
fingers and airplane vibrations. I am not happy with my gps reception but plan 
to get the ads b with gps antenna that connects with wifi. ?I hope that will 
help.

Joe Nunley?CW2 US Army RetiredBaker JROTC Instructor?Baker Florida?


KR> Mgl, dynon,Garmin

2016-11-22 Thread Dj Merrill
On 11/22/2016 7:11 AM, Mark Langford via KRnet wrote:
> Please consider the lowly iPad or iPad Mini.  These things are bullet
> proof, and can run all kinds of apps with thousands of users and very
> well developed software.

I've been using an iPad in the airplane for several years, and am happy 
with it.  I will take slight exception to your description of 
"bulletproof", however.  They are temperature sensitive, and tend to 
shut down when they get hot.  It has happened to me personally, and lots 
of reports on the Van's RV forums.

Keep it in the shade, and/or direct some cooling air on it, and they 
seem fine.

I use WingX on mine, but there are plenty of other good apps available too.

-Dj




KR> Mgl, dynon,Garmin

2016-11-22 Thread Stef den Boer
Hi kr friends
I am bussy with my engine cowling and finalise everything for the engine. The
prop wil be next month arrive so we are making progress.
In a few months in need to make a final decission about the efis I need to
install.
I made my mind up for the Garmin g3x, but this one cant measure the fuelflow
from a puls for the injectiin system. It is possible but you have to use 2 units
to measure it. One in the pressure line And one in the return fuel line. So now
I am again in a doubt for the latest MGL or Dynon system. If the money Bucket is
not empty I will direct plan a auto pilot system.
So what is your experiance with the Dynon or MGL. 
Europe nav database update cost? And more info is welkome.
Thanks Stef



KR> Mgl, dynon,Garmin

2016-11-22 Thread n357cj
Stef,
While I did not plan 15 years ago for the way my panel has developed I am still 
pretty dang happy with how I receive most of the information. I am currently in 
your position of trying to decide the best method to complete a panel with all 
the technology available on a new project. I currently fly with a D-10A with 
the Dynon auto pilot servos installed. I have an I-Fly 740 slaved to the D-10A 
that couples the flight plan to the auto pilot. The I-Fly740 is coupled to a 
Skyguard ADS-B in and out system. The engine instruments are on the stand alone 
EIS from Grand Rapids Tech. I have a few little problems with the unit but it 
is nearing 15 years old now. The unit does every function flawlessly. The only 
problems I have had is the buttons to control function have been degrading 
which they tell me they have fixed and can fix mine. The other is the amount of 
character spaces on the screen, for most things it is OK but I would like to 
have a screen that could display a bit more at one time. It is fully 
customizable for the information shown at any given time.
Joe horton,
N357CJ

- Original Message -

Hi kr friends
So now
I am again in a doubt for the latest MGL or Dynon system. If the money Bucket is
not empty I will direct plan a auto pilot system.
So what is your experiance with the Dynon or MGL. 
Europe nav database update cost? And more info is welkome.
Thanks Stef

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KR> Mgl, dynon,Garmin

2016-11-22 Thread ppaulvsk
Stef wrote:I am again in a doubt for the latest MGL or Dynon system. If the 
money Bucket is
not empty I will direct plan a auto pilot system.
So what is your experiance with the Dynon or MGL. 
Europe nav database update cost? And more info is welkome.

I was in your position a few years ago. Trying to decide between Dynon and MGL. 
? I decided on Dynon primarily because of the support. ?At the 2015 KR 
gathering. I invited Dynon to come down and give a presentation on the ADSB 
Nextgen and what they had to offer. ?This years gathering they gave us two $150 
gift certificates. ?MGL was supposed to show up at the 2014 gathering but 
backed out at the last minute and that was one of the main reasons I went to 
that Chino gathering. ?If I remember right. I think some other people have some 
negative things to say about MGL also.They newest system, Skyview HDX is the 
best on the experimental ?light sport Market now.??Paul Visk ?Belleville Il 
?618 406 4705



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KR> Mgl, dynon,Garmin

2016-11-22 Thread Mark Langford
Stef wrote:

 > So what is your experiance with the Dynon or MGL.

Whatever you do, do NOT waste your money on an MGL iEFIS.  I've been 
meaning to write this up for several months, but I know it would take me 
many weeks to list the many hardware and software failures that I've had 
with mine.  I will attempt a "short list" tonight.  I agree with Rudi 
that the previous MGL units we apparently good, but the iEFIS is an 
exception.

Please consider the lowly iPad or iPad Mini.  These things are bullet 
proof, and can run all kinds of apps with thousands of users and very 
well developed software.  I bought a practically new Mini from ebay for 
$154 last week. More tonight...

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
http://www.n56ml.com