KR> Selecting an airport to be based at

[Dave Acklam]

At least around where I am, some of the public airports sell mogas on-field.

It's one of the few places in WA where you can get booze-free gas.

That said, I found a private airport that rents T-hangars for $150/mo and
is closer to my house than any other field that's not a
residents-only-airpark, so that was an easy choice...

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 8:33 AM, Paul Visk via KRnet 
wrote:

> I'm starting to look for airports in the area to base my airplane at. Im
> finding the public airports do not allow you to bring your own mogas in.
> They state safety concerns.  Is this common?
>  One of the benefits of a Corvair engine is being able to use mogas.  But
> if you can't fuel it unless your on a private airport. What good is it.
>
> Paul Visk
> Belleville Il.
> 618 406 4705
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KR> Selecting an airport to be based at

[Sid Wood]

Maybe it is because airplane have vented tanks and quick drains while cars 
have closed fuel systems.  Most gas cans also have tight fitting caps.

Sid Wood
Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
Mechanicsville, MD, USA
--


Same logic that my homeowners insurance used when they could care less
if my garage attached to my house and next to my bedroom had two cars
and a riding mower with gas and all the gas cans I wanted, but they
refused to insure my hanger separate from the house because it contained
an airplane.  Makes no difference that the cars can be 50 years old with
rusting steel tanks and the plane is inspected regularly to FAA
standards.



So, that begs the question, why is 200 gallons of fuel stored in the
tanks
of an airplane more save than 20 gallons of fuel stored in approved
containers that are completely sealed?

Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
---

I rented my second one to a guy with a Cessna 210. He told me one day
that
he'd lost 19 gallons of 100LL out of the wing tank and onto the floor of
the
hangar about a week earlier. Apparently his petcock failed somehow and
drained one wing tank.

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KR> Selecting an airport to be based at

[brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com]

Same logic that my homeowners insurance used when they could care less
if my garage attached to my house and next to my bedroom had two cars
and a riding mower with gas and all the gas cans I wanted, but they
refused to insure my hanger separate from the house because it contained
an airplane.  Makes no difference that the cars can be 50 years old with
rusting steel tanks and the plane is inspected regularly to FAA
standards.


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Subject: Re: KR> Selecting an airport to be based at
From: Dan Heath via KRnet 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Fri, April 03, 2015 5:34 am
To: "'Mark Langford'" , "'KRnet'" 

So, that begs the question, why is 200 gallons of fuel stored in the
tanks
of an airplane more save than 20 gallons of fuel stored in approved
containers that are completely sealed?



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I rented my second one to a guy with a Cessna 210. He told me one day
that
he'd lost 19 gallons of 100LL out of the wing tank and onto the floor of
the
hangar about a week earlier. Apparently his petcock failed somehow and
drained one wing tank.

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KR> Selecting an airport to be based at

[Dan Heath]

So, that begs the question, why is 200 gallons of fuel stored in the tanks
of an airplane more save than 20 gallons of fuel stored in approved
containers that are completely sealed?



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-Original Message-



I rented my second one to a guy with a Cessna 210.  He told me one day that
he'd lost 19 gallons of 100LL out of the wing tank and onto the floor of the
hangar about a week earlier.  Apparently his petcock failed somehow and
drained one wing tank.

KR> Selecting an airport to be based at

[Mark Jones]

>OZ wrote:

>"A couple of 5-gallon totes of $2/gallon mogas in my hangar could bring
those differences in value to the immediate forefront if they were to spill
and ignite."

>That comment puts a whole new light on the problem...


ALSO, watch out for other vehicles in your hangar. Just two weeks ago I
opened the door to my hangar and the smell of gas overwhelmed me. A couple
of days earlier I had started my motorcycle for the first time since last
fall and the vacuum style petcock on the gas tank failed open and drained
several gallons out through the carbs. I too am in a long connected T-hangar
with more money in there than I will ever make in this life and maybe even
in my next life combined. I do have a million dollar insurance policy on the
hangar but you know how there are always loopholes. 

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Stevens Point, WI 
Email: flykr2s at charter.net
Web: www.flykr2s.com

KR> Selecting an airport to be based at

[Mark Langford]

OZ wrote:

"A couple of 5-gallon totes of $2/gallon mogas in my hangar could bring
those differences in value to the immediate forefront if they were to spill
and ignite."

That comment puts a whole new light on the problem!  Fortunately (I think),
the only hangar near my hangar is my OTHER hangar!  Before I got the Swift,
I rented my second one to a guy with a Cessna 210.  He told me one day that
he'd lost 19 gallons of 100LL out of the wing tank and onto the floor of the
hangar about a week earlier.  Apparently his petcock failed somehow and
drained one wing tank.  I went in to check on things and there was no trace
of the fuel...no smell...nothing!  So there's something else to worry about.
If the air compressor had cycled while all those fumes were in the building,
it could have been more than "just" a big fire!  I leave the air compressor
off now...

But that's another good thing about 100LL...it's clean, evaporates with
almost no residue, and doesn't stink like autofuel.  

Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
ML at N56ML.com
www.N56ML.com  

KR> Selecting an airport to be based at

[Oscar Zuniga]

My hangar lease agreement stipulates that fuel or combustibles outside the 
aircraft fuel tank(s) may not be stored in the hangar in any quantity.  It's 
not really to protect the nearby FBO who has a self-service avgas pump that has 
never pumped anything that costs less than $4/gallon, it's to protect the other 
hangar owners, most of whom have airplanes that are worth more than 15x what my 
little Pietenpol with an A75 and 16 gallon fuel tank are worth.

Directly behind me, for example, and only the thickness of one layer of 
corrugated sheet metal away, is a gorgeous Beech Duke.  In the row of hangars 
across from me are a couple of Cirrus's, an RV-8 whose instrument panel is 
probably worth more than my house, and directly next door to me is a Cessna 
Skylane that I would have to work all of my remaining lifespan to be able to 
afford after paying my own bills and the undertaker's bill.  A couple of 
5-gallon totes of $2/gallon mogas in my hangar could bring those differences in 
value to the immediate forefront if they were to spill and ignite.

Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR

KR> Selecting an airport to be based at

[Jeff Scott]

I've been running the 8.5:1 compression O-200 in my KR and the 8.5:1 160 HP 
O-320 in my SuperCub clone on a diet of 100% E0 premium fuel for the last 2 
years.  I have a tank with filter, grounds, and electric fuel pump that is 
anchored in the bed of my truck.  Nobody at the airport (including the airport 
manager) has said anything about it other than they wish they had the same 
setup.  I do make it a point to use safe practices for fire mitigation like 
never fueling in the hangar.

Previously, one of the other pilots proposed to park his truck on the ramp at 
the airport with my tank in the back to be used for fueling.  Of course the 
airport administration went liability crazy and denied his request.  When I 
decided to start using Mogas, I didn't ask.  I just made sure my fueling rig 
was configured with the proper venting, filter, ground, and pump for the 
application and started using it.  I also keep it painted and nice looking.  
They never questioned it.  It looks exactly the same as the fueling rigs hauled 
around in many pickups for fueling farm equipment out in the fields, except 
cleaner.  :o)

As Mark says, you want to start out with 100LL until you find whether you have 
cooling/vapor lock issues and what your detonation margin might be.  

-Jeff Scott
Los Alamos, NM




> Paul Visk wrote:
> 
> >>I'm starting to look for airports in the area to base my airplane at. Im 
> >>finding the public airports do not allow you to bring your own mogas in. 
> >>They state safety concerns.  Is this common?<<
> 
> That's certainly the case at the three major airports around my place.  But 
> the manager of the one I started out at told me privately "just don't let me 
> or anybody else see it".  I subsequently put 40 hours on it without buying 
> any 100LL, and got no complaints.  I assume you'd have access at night.  It's 
> worth mentioning that some (very few) airports do sell mogas, although it's 
> often 87 octane...probably not what you want.  And I'd think stability of a 
> low-turnover fuel would be iffy. 
> 
> Having said that, you definitely want to start out burning 100LL, for the 
> detonation and vapor lock resistance.  Gradually work up to pure autofuel.  
> I've been using auto fuel in N891JF over the winter, but I always have at 
> least 25% 100LL in the tank for extra margin until I can install a second 
> tank and do some inflight testing to prove that pure auto fuel will work for 
> me with this engine on a hot summer day after idling on the ground, for 
> example at SNF...
> 
> Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
> ML at N56ML.com
> www.N56ML.com 

KR> Selecting an airport to be based at

[Lee Parker]

I ran 93 mogas for years. ?I found that mogas burns hotter than 100LL. ?Watch 
those temps. and valves. ?
  From: Jeff Scott via KRnet 
 To: ml at n56ml.com; krnet at list.krnet.org 
 Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 12:48 PM
 Subject: Re: KR> Selecting an airport to be based at

I've been running the 8.5:1 compression O-200 in my KR and the 8.5:1 160 HP 
O-320 in my SuperCub clone on a diet of 100% E0 premium fuel for the last 2 
years.? I have a tank with filter, grounds, and electric fuel pump that is 
anchored in the bed of my truck.? Nobody at the airport (including the airport 
manager) has said anything about it other than they wish they had the same 
setup.? I do make it a point to use safe practices for fire mitigation like 
never fueling in the hangar.

Previously, one of the other pilots proposed to park his truck on the ramp at 
the airport with my tank in the back to be used for fueling.? Of course the 
airport administration went liability crazy and denied his request.? When I 
decided to start using Mogas, I didn't ask.? I just made sure my fueling rig 
was configured with the proper venting, filter, ground, and pump for the 
application and started using it.? I also keep it painted and nice looking.? 
They never questioned it.? It looks exactly the same as the fueling rigs hauled 
around in many pickups for fueling farm equipment out in the fields, except 
cleaner.? :o)

As Mark says, you want to start out with 100LL until you find whether you have 
cooling/vapor lock issues and what your detonation margin might be.? 

-Jeff Scott
Los Alamos, NM






> Paul Visk wrote:
> 
> >>I'm starting to look for airports in the area to base my airplane at. Im 
> >>finding the public airports do not allow you to bring your own mogas in. 
> >>They state safety concerns.? Is this common?<<
> 
> That's certainly the case at the three major airports around my place.? But 
> the manager of the one I started out at told me privately "just don't let me 
> or anybody else see it".? I subsequently put 40 hours on it without buying 
> any 100LL, and got no complaints.? I assume you'd have access at night.? It's 
> worth mentioning that some (very few) airports do sell mogas, although it's 
> often 87 octane...probably not what you want.? And I'd think stability of a 
> low-turnover fuel would be iffy. 
> 
> Having said that, you definitely want to start out burning 100LL, for the 
> detonation and vapor lock resistance.? Gradually work up to pure autofuel.? 
> I've been using auto fuel in N891JF over the winter, but I always have at 
> least 25% 100LL in the tank for extra margin until I can install a second 
> tank and do some inflight testing to prove that pure auto fuel will work for 
> me with this engine on a hot summer day after idling on the ground, for 
> example at SNF...
> 
> Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
> ML at N56ML.com
> www.N56ML.com 

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KR> Selecting an airport to be based at

[Paul Visk]

Thanks for the response guys. So I won't have to worry about it for the first 
40 hours at least if at all.?

Paul Visk
Belleville Il?
618 406 4705?





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 Original message From: Paul Visk via KRnet 
 Date:04/02/2015  10:33 AM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: KR EMAIL BOARD  Subject: KR> 
Selecting an airport to be based at 
I'm starting to look for airports in the area to base my airplane at. Im 
finding the public airports do not allow you to bring your own mogas in. They 
state safety concerns.  Is this common?
 One of the benefits of a Corvair engine is being able to use mogas.  But if 
you can't fuel it unless your on a private airport. What good is it. 

Paul Visk
Belleville Il.
618 406 4705

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KR> Selecting an airport to be based at

[bjoenunley]

I purchased a clean 55 gallon metal drum ?that I keep in the hanger. ?I put it 
on my trailer when it is empty to transport it to the pure gas station with 
inexpensive 91 octane. ?I have a hoist that hangs from the ceiling that I use 
to unload it from the trailer. ?I transfer the fuel to a 5 gallon can that I 
use to fuel the aircraft outside of the hanger.?

Joe


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KR> Selecting an airport to be based at

[peter]

I operated my B33 out of two public airports in OR for years. Realize that with 
aux tanks I could transfer as much as 80 gals of mogas at a time. I used 
approved plastic jugs that frequently filled my car trunk and back seat. I was 
discrete and safe, and completely unchallenged. I heard that federally-funded 
airports had to allow self-fueling. Never had to ask. Peter

KR> Selecting an airport to be based at

[Rob Schmitt]

Paul, I don't think that they search every vehicle. Lots of folks here do there 
own fueling. Don't be overtly obvious about it. My airport does have mogas so I 
have only done it a few times. 



> On Apr 2, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Paul Visk via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm starting to look for airports in the area to base my airplane at. Im 
> finding the public airports do not allow you to bring your own mogas in. They 
> state safety concerns.  Is this common?
>  One of the benefits of a Corvair engine is being able to use mogas.  But if 
> you can't fuel it unless your on a private airport. What good is it. 
> 
> Paul Visk
> Belleville Il.
> 618 406 4705
> 
> Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4.
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KR> Selecting an airport to be based at

[Mark Langford]

Paul Visk wrote:

>>I'm starting to look for airports in the area to base my airplane at. Im 
>>finding the public airports do not allow you to bring your own mogas in. They 
>>state safety concerns.  Is this common?<<

That's certainly the case at the three major airports around my place.  But the 
manager of the one I started out at told me privately "just don't let me or 
anybody else see it".  I subsequently put 40 hours on it without buying any 
100LL, and got no complaints.  I assume you'd have access at night.  It's worth 
mentioning that some (very few) airports do sell mogas, although it's often 87 
octane...probably not what you want.  And I'd think stability of a low-turnover 
fuel would be iffy. 

Having said that, you definitely want to start out burning 100LL, for the 
detonation and vapor lock resistance.  Gradually work up to pure autofuel.  
I've been using auto fuel in N891JF over the winter, but I always have at least 
25% 100LL in the tank for extra margin until I can install a second tank and do 
some inflight testing to prove that pure auto fuel will work for me with this 
engine on a hot summer day after idling on the ground, for example at SNF...

Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
ML at N56ML.com
www.N56ML.com 

KR> Selecting an airport to be based at

[Paul Visk]

I'm starting to look for airports in the area to base my airplane at. Im 
finding the public airports do not allow you to bring your own mogas in. They 
state safety concerns. ?Is this common?
?One of the benefits of a Corvair engine is being able to use mogas. ?But if 
you can't fuel it unless your on a private airport. What good is it.?

Paul Visk
Belleville Il.
618 406 4705

Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4.