Re: [lace] Dolphin and bobbin
Diminutive of obstreperous - or is it obstrepherous? Either way, that's the derivative. Ann in Manchester, UK - Original Message - From: Patricia Dowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 9:50 PM Subject: RE: [lace] Dolphin and bobbin . . . I think we chose well, dolphins are beautiful, do a lot of talking and can be stroppy! jenny barron Scotland Oh Jenny, I am delighted. Please tell us what 'stroppy' means. Patty Dowden - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] dolphin bobbin
I thought the original request on this subject was for the pattern or pricking of the dolphin and bobbin in lace. After the original request was made there has been no mention, at all, of the pattern or pricking. The subject has been changed all around. I would like to know if anyone ever came up with the pattern or pricking? Patsy A. Goodman - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Entry
Yes, if we all sit back and don't enter anything in these exhibitions, there will be a very poor selection to view!! Having lace made by relative beginners on display is good, as people can see what can be achieved soon after starting lacemaking, and how a person can progress to great heights! If I only displayed perfect work at my annual demonstration here, I would not have very much to show!!! I find some people are more interested in the early pieces, as they then feel they could, perhaps achieve that. The more complex pieces they just shake their heads over, thinking it would be beyond them. It is the same with the list - if everyone was a lurker, there would not be a list to read! from Liz, in a very cold, wet, Melbourne, Oz, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Modern Garter/Tribal Collar
On Tuesday, Sep 30, 2003, at 15:29 US/Eastern, Linda Walton wrote: just this afternoon I saw a display of lacy garters in a lingerie shop, and one of them was so unusual that I want to tell you all about it. Instead of being gathered and frilled, it was a smooth strip, so I suppose it fastened with a velcro spot, or some such. This strip was placed just above the knee, and was the support for a fringe of narrower strips of lace, about six inches long, which hung down like a string skirt, (or very sparse hula skirt, perhaps). With the leg slightly bent, the knee peeps through, shy but provocative. [...] Well, there you are. Now I'll just leave it to you clever designers to develop suitable patterns! There we are, indeed... :) *Designing* such a piece would not be a lot of trouble; it might even be a lot of fun. But what about the *making* of it? If a traditional garter (one piece, twice around the leg) is an effort, then think about this one: a wide one, once around the leg, then some 20-30, narrower, short ones hanging from it... Each starting with bobbins wound in pairs and false footing, each sewing off (invisibly but securely) into the mother (once around the leg) one And all for a *garter*? Which few people ever see? Unless I'm visualising it all wrong, I'd sooner trade places with Sysiphus... :) Winding short lengths in pairs is not my favourite passtime (though I do do it all the time), and finishing them off has even less appeal (I ought to have picked lace *other than* Milanese for my metier g)... OTOH It occurs to me that something similiar might serve as a disposal for all the samples we make as beginners... Attach your samples (3-6 long), hanging down, to a part (3rd? half?) of a *circular* edging, and you have a collar/frontspiece, instead of a bagful of samples... :) It would look a bit like those bits of bone strung on a leather thong (or flat pieces of silver or gold, if we go back to Roman times); very exotic... And, at least, you could *display* it (and more than once, too g) - Tamara P Duvall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: one-handed lacing
On Thursday, Aug 28, 2003, at 16:47 US/Eastern, Bev Walker wrote: remember we were chatting about one-handed lacing - I tried it with my Flanders ground edging - did not last long with working with one hand. Torchon no problem, but Flanders ground - it goes much better with both hands in motion (not to say it can't be done with one hand, just that the technician is happier using both). Thanks for doing all those experiments; I had wondered about the one-handed lacemaking ever since I first heard about it here (who was the pianist who'd lost his hand in WWI and then Ravel wrote a concierto for him?), and considered trying it myself. I suspected that I might be happier leaving *that* road as not taken, and I'm glad to have my suspiction confirmed... :) When I first heard about the method, I was working on the piece I started in Loehr's class (last triangle put in today -- yippee! Need to finish it off, neatly, tomorrow -- shucks g). The dividing lines between the triangles are: 38 prs, in cloth stitch, with a pin at each end, or 3 cloth-stitched pprs, with a pin on the side (depending on which side of the triangle you're working). The fillings are Binche snowflakes -- 28 per triangle, and each triangle has a different snowflake as filling (that's what makes it the Snowflake quilt). Each snowflake has has 6 pins to it -- 3 before you start, and 3 after you're done, and, most of the time, they're not there to help you tension; they're there to help you remember where the heck you're *at* g. In between, when making the snowflake, you have -- depending on the complexity -- anywhere from many to a busload of *different* movements... Make all those single-handedly, while the other hand rests and waits its turn to put in a pin? Sheer madness :) I think that the single-handed method might work very well for PG *ground* (and Bucks, especially, has *lots* of ground, in proportion to the motif area g); CTTT (with one hand), pin (with the other) makes sense, because there's so little time and movement *between pins* in the ground (OTOH, the super-dooper lacemakers didn't use *any* pins, and cut the time needed for production further still g). It would work for Torchon *ground* as well; CT, pin, CT can keep both hands occupied in almost equal proportion (again, Freehand lace, before Torchon, didn't use pins, though the patterns were often similiar)... But, everywhere else, it's a waste of resources; one hand does most of the work (stitches), while the other waits to pitch in, *once in a while*, with a pin... Reminds me of Toni and her reminders of the inequality in our lives -- the pin hand would, definitely, be the lazy, spoiled, aristocrat or CEO :) I agree with Bev that working one-handed on a *curved* (bolster, or even a sizeable roller, I'd think) surface might be easier (I mostly work on *flat* pillows, not even domed like cookies. And I keep them flat, not canted. But I have worked on a roller, and found its attractions and limitations g). But still, the un-learning and re-learning might not be worth the effort, unless one was making *mostly net*... - Tamara P Duvall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Doreen Wright
When we started our lace group way back in 1978 I suggested that we should have a laceday. We were only l5 members, we hired a hall, advertised as best we could, invited Doreen Wright to be our speaker.As I was the instigator, I was naturally worried if we would get enough visitors to pay for all the cost, but to our surprise. just over 7o lacemakers came. Alas our speaker was very late, we thought she forgot. But in the end she appeared, telling us that she run out of petrol on the motorway. So all was well in the end and her talk was very helpful to us all. Greetings Dora the Knotter http://homepage.ntlworld.com/dora.northern - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Romaian Point Lace
The German magazine 'Anna' has published items on this lace over the past 3-4 years, including the instructions on making a vest (waistcoat). Also Nordic Needle have several books on the subject in their catalogue and website.- Nordicneedle.com Maxine, in unsettled spring N.Z. - we are currently in the middle of an electrical storm with hail! - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] FYI: So. CAL Bobbin lace class
Round here (south London) it's about how much the venue costs to hire more than the teaching. You can easily pay £70 plus for one term. One of my local lace groups is about £50 a year for one meeting a month simply due to the cost of the venue. Whenever I teach privately I always say that I'll do it for the cost of the petrol, a peppermint tea and good company - so if you can get a few of you to learn then it brings the cost down. This means that if you want to have only a lesson a month then it costs less - the more lessons a month - say weekly or fortnightly then you pay to get me there. Mind you - I've always ended up dropping a couple of my students off on the way home too so I'm probably a good buy as a teacher grin In a message dated 29/08/2003 22:36:06 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fee is right (depending on age $10.00 or $20.00 for the younger under 50 crowd- sometimes it pays to be older). Is that typical of the cost of lacemaking classes run by school districts in the adult education department? Through adult education, I've got a choice of a 2 hour x 24 week class in Poole for 120 pounds (190 dollars), but 84 pounds (132 dollars) for women over 60 (men over 65), or 24 weeks in Bournemouth split into 2 lots of 12 for payment, total for 24 weeks 110 pounds (173 dollars) or 55 pounds (86 dollars)for seniors. I've been going to the Bournemouth class for a couple of years, but won't be going this session till after Christmas as I'm due to have a knee replacement at the beginning of October. There are a couple of private classes running for less. Jean in Poole Regards Liz Beecher - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re Change the Subject
Aurelia you will find the pattern on page 113/4 of Barbara Underwood book 'A Bedfordshire Lace Collection' published by - yes you guessed it Ruth Bean ;)) I too saw Christine Agambar working the hankie on a course at the college, I was also lucky enough to see the completed piece on display with Barbara at Springetts fair. The cover Bedfordshire pattern designed and worked by Barbara is also a joy to behold. By the way Aurelia I think I recall sharing a table with you on a course with Pam Nottingham at Rugby far too many years ago than I care to count. Diana (Northamptonshire, UK) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Ms. Channer
Spiders, Isn't the important issue here of what was historically acceptable and what is acceptable now. In the past, lacemakers got copies of patterns by taking rubbings or prickings of other prickings. There were only a few designers and if you made lace you made it commercially from a pattern that you probably got from the person who retailed it for you. Now there are many more lace makers and we have access to lots of patterns - however, if those people now make their living from designing the patterns and not from retailing the lace made by others then if we STEAL their pattern, and it is stealing if we don't pay for it, then it is important to them that they are able to sell their patterns. However, and this is why the discussion has cause such an uproar - what happens when someone ceases to retail their patterns or worse still, dies? We may not solve the problem but if we understand it better then we won't be stealing and also we will be helping new and existing designers to get on Regards Liz In a message dated 28/08/2003 18:32:37 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: [lace] Ms. Channer Date: 28/08/2003 18:32:37 GMT Daylight Time From: A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A To: A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A Sent from the Internet Hi Spiders, I am struck with amount of energy we pour in to discussing Ms. Channer and her mat. What is it about us as a group that makes this topic so riveting? She was determined to not let lace die, as was Doreen Wright, whom I have begun to know belatedly through your anecdotes. These thoughts are drifting through my mind. snipped Bemusedly, Patty Dowden Regards Liz Beecher - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Roses and Thistles
Thank you, Edith! -- There it is, Christine Agambar's wonderful handkerchief, photographed in Barbara Underwood's Bedfordshire Lace Collection. There's even the pricking for it shown, taken from an original Thomas Lester draft (and what a feat that must have been, to make a usable pricking out of it!). Thank you again, Edith! - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] FREE PATTERNS
Change of subject, If you send a stamped address envelope (over seas two international postage vouchers) 31p postage I will send you three spider patterns, 1 large spider mat, 1 dainty spider mat and 1 circular spider mat. Enjoy. A HREF=http://bigginslace.co.uk/; Biggins - The Torchon Lace People/A KEEP LACING, VIVIENNE, BIGGINS - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: copyright and copying magazines
Liz wrote: Now here's a thought - let's take the Bible - say, the new Testament - OK, even at latest date the last books of the New Testament are supposed to have been written about the end of the first century so they are 2000 years old - obviously over the 50 years since the death of the authors. BUT I can't quote from the NT here because any quote I give will be a translation which is owned by the translator or their heirs. Sorry, but that analogy doesn't hold. Quoting a fragment of the New Testament here is certainly permitted because it falls under the category of fair usage. If this were not the case, scholars in the humanities would have a really tough time discussing texts! It's hard to imagine people carving tombstones saying The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want and paying royalties to the translators of the King James Version. You would not, however, be permitted to put up a Web site with the entire text of a copyrighted translation. go back to the original text (if I can find it ... most of the original greek texts are lost) and retranslate it (after I have learnt new testament greek) and then quote it. No, they're not lost. The New Testament papyri are numerous and quite well preserved. That's not even taking into consideration the thousands of quotations and references in other ancient translations and in the works of the Church Fathers, which are also important witnesses to the original text. I think that it's time to move this topic to lace-chat, because it's straying into general discussion about copyright and is becoming less lace-related. BTW, if you think lace books are expensive, you should do an Amazon search on my name. It's a good thing I get free copies of my books, because there's no way I'd shell out that kind of money for them! g Best wishes, Avital, Arachne moderator, PhD in New Testament and ancient Jewish literature (Harvard University), and former Chief of Publications, Orion Center for the Study of the Dead Sea Scrolls - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] copyright issues
Yes, Yes, Yes - do you think I want to trace patterns then prick them - I love the fact that I can photocopy the pattern then take a true pricking from it. In a message dated 28/08/2003 20:29:53 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As an aside, I consider the photocopy machine a bonafide lace tool :) Regards Liz Beecher - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] lace design portfolio
Thanks, Sue, for the suggestion. That certainly is just up my alley for inclusion on the Professor's list. However, any books or articles, or patterns for that matter, have to have been published before 1923 to be eligible for the site, in case you find something you think I could include. So this one wouldn't work Do keep looking and please let me know if you find anything. I can either borrow anything anyone might want to lend me (I'll gladly pay the postage) or try to find it on interlibrary loan. Vibeke has been wonderful about lending me books, and I have had loans from several other people, all of which I really appreciate. Tess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Christine Agambar and her handky
If it's The Handky I'm thinking of, it's from Ann Buck's book on Lester and the lace industry in the East Midlands. Does it have roses, and sweeps of thistles in the corners? If so, that's the one! There's a pic or 2 of the original lace in the book, and a quarter of the pricking. I remember her starting that in a Barbara Underwood class in Sept 1989 - I was taking an Advanced Beds class with Barbara, and Christine came armed with that pattern, and Barbara crooned (and the rest of us drooled) over the pattern and her perfect raised tallies all weekend. I believe it took 4 or 5 years to complete. Cheers, Helen, Aussie living in a cool and drying out Denver - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] new lacemaker in camden
The new regional director for South East USA Mary Derrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] is looking for a bobbin lace teacher for someone in Camden SC. Any ideas? S Joy - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] 'Bucks Point Lacemaking' by Pamela Nottingham on ebay
There's a copy of the above on ebay, starting price 5 pounds. Seller will post to the Uk only, but if anyone in the US or elsewhere is desperate, I'm willing to take delivery and post on, but the postage from the seller to me would be 2 pounds, and it will be a lot more to post on outside the UK. This is not The Technique of Bucks Point Lace' published 1981, which is mainly edging. This one, published 1985, is mainly motifs. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3548203540category=112 4 or search for item number 3548203540 Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Apology was - Re: copyright and copying magazines
Guys, I was being flippant and I may have offended some on this lace thread. Please accept my apologies - it doesn't matter what point I was trying to make if it upsets anyone or causes concern. Also, thought this one was on lace chat not lace otherwise I would have put all my thoughts into just one email. As I said to someone a little earlier - I think that the vinegar in the chutney has addled my brain. Apolgies to all - I'm off to lock myself in the airing cupboard with a torch, honiton book and a very big bar of chocolate Regards Liz Beecher In a message dated 31/08/2003 17:01:55 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: Re: [lace] Re: copyright and copying magazines Date: 31/08/2003 17:01:55 GMT Daylight Time From: A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A To: A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A Sent from the Internet Spiders, Now here's a thought - let's take the Bible - say, the new Testament - OK, even at latest date the last books of the New Testament are supposed to have been written about the end of the first century so they are 2000 years old - obviously over the 50 years since the death of the authors. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Change the Subject
Dear friends -- On this lovely, sunny, COOL, Sunday morning I am thinking it's time to stop slicing and dicing irrelevances (copyrights; stealing !) and return to thoughts about lace. One of the delights of actually getting up and going off to take a lace course is seeing what other people are doing. About ten years ago I toddled out of Baltimore and -plop!- across the ocean and in over my head to a class at Christine Springett's in Thomas Lester lace. My nearest neighbor in that class was making a handkerchief so beautiful, so complex, so breathtaking that really I thought I was in heaven with the angels. She had rows and rows of bobbins stacked up neatly on either side of her pillow, waiting to be taken in. And unhurried, unflushed, undisturbed, chatting, smiling, happy, she went about producing stars, flowers, leaves... Fast forward. I found a little booklet, Bedfordshire Lace Old New, printed evidently in 1998 by the Springetts, and what is the first thing in it? A picture of my long-ago neighboring lacemaker and her gorgeous handkerchief. I even have her cherished name. Christine Agambar. Christine Agambar, the maker of the most beautiful handkerchief in the world. Forget about Miss Channer's mat with its reprints, copies, copyrights, stealing and what else. Can anyone find out the origin of Christine Agambar's unforgettable lace handkerchief? Was it made from an original pattern? An antique pattern? A Thomas Lester pattern? How could one locate the pattern? (P.S.) One could even -- if a mat mentality has got such a grip on 21stC lacemakers -- alter a handkerchief pattern so as to form a mat. That would certainly fulfil the 23% alteration requirement. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re Change the Subject
Thank you, Diana! Guided also by another Arachne, I found Christine's wonderful handkerchief in Barbara Underwood's Collection. A truly precious experience, almost like having the actual piece. It still seems a miracle how Christine did it. Yes, I used to run back and forth to England three or four times a year, so it is likely that you and I did meet in Pam's class. Beds and Bucks and Pam and Springetts and Luton and Doreens Fudge and Wright and lots more are all right here with me on my pillow (I even took a class with Barbara Underwood) -- did somebody say on Arachne the other day that we don't need to take lace classes anymore because now we have CD's!! - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Miss Channer/enforcement issues (Soapbox)
typicall lacers - I could make that ... if I had all the bobbins grin Liz In a message dated 28/08/2003 18:10:18 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: Re: [lace] Miss Channer/enforcement issues (Soapbox) Date: 28/08/2003 18:10:18 GMT Daylight Time From: A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A To: A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A CC: A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A Sent from the Internet Yes, if you own something it is your right what you do with it. Also a lot of the people on this soap box have never seen the mat, second it is quite boring, third they couldn't do it and finally the only thing that excites people is the number of bobbins! KEEP LACING, VIVIENNE, BIGGINS Regards Liz Beecher - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Miss Channer/enforcement issues
Just another thought - I bought a software program from a Jewish company and on the disk it had the following caveat: You make make a copy of this software for personal back up purposes. Illegal copying of this software is against US and GOD's laws I felt that I had been truely warned. You are right - it is NOT morally right Liz In a message dated 27/08/2003 22:01:05 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: Re: [lace] Miss Channer/enforcement issues Date: 27/08/2003 22:01:05 GMT Standard Time From: A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A To: A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A, A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A Sent from the Internet Any thoughts of stealing copies of the mat are dreadful. However annoying it may be not being able to get a copy even copying and giving it to your friend is illegal. Okay perhaps I feel really strongly about it because Biggins design and produce patterns which are blatantly copied but it is not morally right. KEEP LACING, VIVIENNE, BIGGINS - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Miss Channer/enforcement issues
Vivienne and all the spiders, Apologies for not joining this thread earlier but I've been making chutney - I'm sure you can all smell it from here. Here you have hit the nail on the head. For some reason, we lace makers think that to own more patterns than we could make in a life time is a really good idea. Apparantly normal women who would never break the law think nothing of photocopying a pattern and swopping it with a friend. Why? I think that the main reasons and our thinking are as follows: a) Why should I buy a book for £20 or $35 dollars when I only want one pattern. b) But it's out of print and I just HAVE to have that pattern. c) It doesn't harm anyone. d) Everyone else does it. But it does harm someone - the person who designed it, the person who published it and all of us who want it reprinted but can't get it done because apparantly there is no call for it because we've all photocopied it. OK, so when I buy a pattern I always take a copy and prick from that - why? Because then I don't mess up my original from which I work. We wouldn't prick through a page in a book so I wouldn't prick through a single sheet pattern I've bought. That's ok. Legally, I'm allowed to do this as I am doing it for my personal use in order to make the lace so long as I either keep the copy or destroy it ie I don't give it to anyone. However, I am on sticky ground if I give the the single sheet pattern or the pricking to someone else to work from. Some lace designers (but certainly not all) place the caveat on their work that you may give the pricking to a friend to work from but when it falls to pieces they cannot make another pricking. Dodgy. I know that the traditional way to make a pricking was to prick it from another pricking and then true it up (if required) and we are all guilty of at sometime saying to someone -hey give me a copy of that pricking. I've done it (once - I admit it but I claim ignorance and have never done it since) and I've been asked on many an occasion when demonstrating - Oh, I love that - please give me a copy - No bugger off and buy it you cheapskate - that should be our answer but we smile, pleased that someone loved the piece we were making and say - Of course, give me your name and address. Sometimes, I feel like shouting at people - hey it's only 65p including postage to buy it - are you that poor? Or are we saying that we want the pattern at any cost so long as it is nothing. I want this lace pattern and I am going to make it - it is wonderful, such a pretty thing but of course it isn't worth me paying any money for - well, actually I have paid at least 4p for a photocopy - hey if it's only A4 I can scan it on my pc and not pay anything - yippee. Pay for them you cheapskates - if it's beautiful it must be worth the money or go buy something else. Am I the only person in the world who has books of patterns and files of A4 / A3 patterns that I could never make in one life time simply because they are beautiful patterns that I can look at and if I want to, make? There must be more people out there like me ... aren't there ... now I'm worried. So, here's my suggestion - be good bunnies (or frogs if you want) and a) BUY the pattern because it encourages the designers to design more of them. b) Check if it is in copyright before you copy it - if you can't buy it because it is out of print then some publishers are willing for you to send a royalty to them to pass onto the designer if they are still alive or to their estate - IT MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD - when I wanted to copy something (non lace) for teaching in my day job, I contacted the copyright owner who allowed me to do so so long as I gave him credit when I used it and made a donation to charity - mind you he is a really wonderful guy. c) Suggest to the publisher that they pre-sell a piece that they want to republish - say if they get 1/2 to 2/3 of the patterns presold (perhaps 1/2 or all the cost up front and the rest when it's done) which would raise the money to reprint. d) when all else fails, GO MAKE SOMETHING ELSE - it's not the end of the world. My love to you all - I'm off to label my chutney Liz In a message dated 27/08/2003 22:01:05 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: Re: [lace] Miss Channer/enforcement issues Date: 27/08/2003 22:01:05 GMT Standard Time From: A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A To: A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A, A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A Sent from the Internet Any thoughts of stealing copies of the mat are dreadful. However annoying it may be not being able to get a copy even copying and giving it to your friend is illegal. Okay perhaps I feel really strongly about it because Biggins design and produce patterns which are blatantly copied but it is not morally right. KEEP LACING, VIVIENNE, BIGGINS - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: - To
Re: [lace] Copyright -- again :)
In a message dated 29/08/2003 23:34:37 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whether Buck's pricking of the Channer Mat is even copyrightable by Bean or Buck is a thorny legal question, since Channer had published the mat previously and it was already in the public domain. I believe that the copyright is of the interpretation / version published. If you had access to the original pricking and trued up a pattern from there and published it with the permission of the owner of the original pricking (who owns the original pricking and therefore the copyright to that) then you would own the copyright to your version. But if you are going to court then don't quote me - get legal advice Liz - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Queen Mary's lace
From a August 3, 1911 Newspaper: QUEEN'S LACE MAKER AGED LADY HAS MADE EMBROIDERY FOR THE CORONATION Mrs. Jane Morris of Shelton in Northamptonshire Has Been Working Hard Weaving Three-Quarters of an Inch a Day of Exquisite Pillow Lace For Her Majesty's Ceremonial Robes. In a little cottage in the pastoral village of Shelton, near Rushden, in Northamptonshire in England, Mrs. Jane Morris, a little old woman, has been putting forth every energy to complete an assignment given her by Queen Mary. Mrs. Morris must have a certain number of yards of wonderful lace ready for her Majesty's use,on the occasion of the coronation. The lace is known as Bedfordshire pillow lace, and with it Queen Mary will have some of her coronation garments embroidered. Mrs. Morris has been at work on the lace since last October and must have it done on time. THe lace is of exquisite beauty and it takes the little old woman a full day to make three-quarters of an inch of it. It is five inches wide and it requires 184 bobbins to work out the design. Just what Mrs. Morris is to be paid is not known, but it stands to reason that after having such an assignment from the Queen she will have no cause to fear the workhouse or to ask the Government for an old-age pension. -- The illustration accompanying this article is clearly a handdrawn copy of the photograph of Mrs. Morris that is found in Thomas Wright's book Romance of the Lace Pillow. Greetings from Beautiful British Columbia Esther Perry - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re Change the Subject
In a message dated 8/31/03 2:00:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I used to run back and forth to England three or four times a year, so it is likely that you and I did meet in Pam's class. Beds and Bucks and Pam and Springetts and Luton and Doreens Fudge and Wright and lots more are all right here with me on my pillow (I even took a class with Barbara Underwood) -- did somebody say on Arachne the other day that we don't need to take lace classes anymore because now we have CD's!! Dear Aurelia and Lacemakers, To clarify -- That was probably me -- I suggested videos for new lacemakers in far-flung locations where there is no qualified lace teacher. Some newbies need to see the lace being made -- by which I meant those who cannot learn exclusively from a book. Especially a problem in the U.S., Canada, and Australia where distances are great. (I think the original discussion was about how far one must travel to take a lace class, and how much it cost.) I am very mindful that few new lacemakers can afford trips to Europe (or even from one part of their country to another) to study lacemaking, and that Videos are a helpful substitute for those on a tight budget, caring for children, working outside the home, etc. With a video, you can be exposed to a good instructor and learn at your own speed - rewinding and watching again, taking out the video to review after a spell away from your lace pillow, etc. It is nice to be in a class with other lacemakers, but it is not always possible. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: ...observation and question
On Sunday, August 31, 2003, at 05:39 PM, Liz wrote: Spiders - this has made me think - how many of you who design use computer programs and which do you use I use an old Acorn RISC OS computer and !Draw which comes with every RISC OS machine for the straightforward grid laces (torchon etc) and then !TypeStudio to bend and stretch those designs if required. It was for these programs that I bought the first Acorn machine - at the time there was nothing else available that could do what I wanted to do; it' s different now and any vector drawing program should be capable of producing dots and lines, but I still think that the RISC OS machine is best. I've managed to draw a basic grid and simple patterns on the Mac but it all seems so clumsy and long winded compared to RISC OS !Draw. Brenda http://users.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/ Supporting the [EMAIL PROTECTED] campaign - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Patricia Bury and that mat
If the pricking published by Ruth Bean is Patricia Bury's copyright, as it looks like it is, then that puts a totally different complexion on things. It will remain her copyright until 70 years after her death. If she has the same type of contract that Rosemary Shepherd and Jane Atkinson had, and that I have, when the publisher won't reprint at the copyright holder's request, the copyright holder must be given all the printing plates, etc, and can choose to republish either themselves or through another publisher. Rosemary Shepherd and Jane Atkinson are both republishing their own books (Jane as a CD) because Batsford refused to do another print run. So its Patricia Bury that needs to be persuaded to ask for a reprint if there's really a demand for it. Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Patricia Bury and that mat and Further Steps in Honiton Lace
Jean Nathan wrote: If she has the same type of contract that Rosemary Shepherd and Jane Atkinson had, and that I have, when the publisher won't reprint at the copyright holder's request, the copyright holder must be given all the printing plates, etc, and can choose to republish either themselves or through another publisher. So does anyone know how I can contact Suzanne Thompson about a reprint of Further Steps in Honiton Lace? According to the library copy I've borrowed, Suzanne holds the copyright. It might be more successful than asking Batsford (which I have already done). The book on Ebay eventually went for $55.99, and there would have been $16 to $25 postage on top. By the time I had found out the postage, it was already going at too high a price for me, but thanks for sharing the information that it was on offer. Karen, in Coventry, England Wondering how long I can manage to keep this library book out on loan. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Channer's Mat
This makes Miss Channer's mat look like kindergarten work! http://blondecaen.chez.tiscali.fr/cou7.htm#cou7 Sylvia Andrews - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Bobbin and Dolphin/Miss Channer's mat
I've had a quick search through the obvious places I might find a dolphin or bobbin pricking, and found the following dolphins: 'Lace' No 78 (blue cover) April 1995 - 'Arion astride the Dolphin' by Freda Bull 'Lace' No 99 July 2000 - two dolphions, one staight, one arched '100 New Bobbin Lace Patterns' by Yusai Fukuyama - simple outline dolphin with a leaf for an eye on page 27 I've found no prickings for bobbins so far. But while looking, I came across a pattern that is of a similar ilk to Miss Channer's Mat. In 'Lacemaking' (the newsletter of the Lace Society) No 148, May 2000, there is a floral Bucks Point mat measuring 8 and a half inches (22 cm) by 6 and a quarter inches (16 cm) which takes 170 pairs of bobbins. Designed by Emlyn Peacegood, it's described as being suitable only for the experienced Bucks worker. So anyone who was a member of The Lace Society in May 2000 already has a challenging Bucks Point piece. Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Computer Programs
Liz Asks Spiders - this has made me think - how many of you who design use computer programs and which do you use My DH is a retired surveyor and we have a (once very expenseive, now useless to him) survey software package based on a 3 dimensional grid. Two dimensions are perfect for drawing up lace! I drew myself up a grid of dots which I copy for each new pattern, then edit each dot I want to a different colour and layer in the program until I have enough for one repeat. I then get rid of all the base dots, copy and rotate to my heart's content and print out at any scale I want to. There is a sample on my website - the Cooma Kiss hanky edge. I have no intention of copyrighting it, everyone is welcome to copy it, use it, print it elsewhere (eg in newsletters), share it around. I respect copyright for those who are trying to earn some money from their books, but I am unlikely to design anything worth putting in books! Noelene i Cooma [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nlafferty/ Liz In a message dated 30/08/2003 01:18:44 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry if I mislead using the term mat. All I am doing is making a rectangle out of a pricking for a corner (using CorelDraw 10). It will have a fabric inset in the center. It has both a wavy footside and headside. Regards Liz Beecher - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Needle and Bobbin Club for scanning
Didn't I just see something on Arachne about this? I am trying to find a source for the Needle and Bobbin Club collection. The Professor says we can scan it. Does anyone have any ideas? Anyone who might lend it to me? I photocopied all the lace articles some years ago, but the illustrations are not up to scannable quality. Thanks. Tess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Just look at these spangles on ebay
Doesn't look like the person who spangled these knows what spangles are for. And what a price for 'a set' of plain bobbins and a book. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3240254071category=114 or search for item number 3240254071 Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Miss Channer's Mat (long)
Sorry to go on about this but those without access may want the following facts, those living near Copenhagen, Denmark are welcome to see my copy of the pattern. One of the very first lace books I got was Lacemaking, Point Ground by C.C. Channer revised by M. Waller, the Dryad Press Leicester, 1966. It was a present from my Aunt living in England. It starts with a picture of MAT FOR TRAY Worked by Mrs. Dixon, Clapham, Beds. Design C.C. Channer, I have always looked upon the pattern as part of the discussion about what we are allowed to do to the Point Ground Laces to keep them alive. BTW at the exhibition at the library in Nottingham at the time of the OIDFA congress there was a beautiful copy of the mat worked as 'true' Bucks. When I years later bought In the Cause of English Lace, I also bought the supplement. It is made up of two parts, a pattern and a piece of heavy paper double the size of the patter and folded in half (all the measurements are approx.). The brown pricking cardboard is 39 cm x 27 cm, with the pattern 33 cm x 22 cm. and the text (c) 1991 Ruth Bean Publishers Pricking adapted by Patricia Bury from an earlier copy in her collection The front of the paper has black background and a photo of the mat 34 cm x 22 cm and the text: Miss Channer's Lace Mat Supplement to In the Cause of English Lace by Anne Buck published 1991 by Ruth Bean Publishers Carlton, Bedford MK34 7LP England The back is blank. The middle contains an enlarged picture 42 cm x 25 cm and a sample of less than 10 cm. It is in actual size and clearly worked in thinner thread than the original. The upper left corner contains the text: Miss Channer's Lace Mat Original design by Catherine C. Channer, worked by Mrs. Dixon of Clapham, Bedford c. 1926. Now in the collection of the Cecil Higgins Art Gallery, Bedford. The adapted pricking, sample lace and note, by Patricia Bury, St. Albans, Hertfordshire, 1991. The text in the right side starts: This pattern is for all lacemakers looking for a chance to use every bobbin they own or to buy more! The sample alone required 186 pairs and about 250 pairs will be needed to complete the mat. ? Looking at Arachne this past week a lot of lacemakers would like to take up the challenge. Greetings Vibeke in Copenhagen - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Doreen Wright's book
If you are putting notes in your copy of Doreen Wright's Bobbin Lace Making you may also want to note that most of the Tønder laces are not Danish but Czech. They are from (accents removed): Smolkova, Marie A. Bibova, Regina: Krajky a krajkarstvi lidu slovanskeho v cechach, na morave, ve slezsku a uh. slovensku, Prague 1908. Johanne Nyrop-Larsen took all the laces for her book Knipling efter Tegning from that collection except one, no 11 Windmill sails is indeed a Tønder Lace. Greetings Vibeke in Copenhagen - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Long-Distance Travel to Learn
Someone from the states was amazed that I wouldn't drive to Birmingham, UK for a meeting - which is only 170 miles away. They told me that it would only take them 2 1/2 hours - they didn't believe me when I said that it could take me 2 1/2 hours to drive 50 miles across London. I love London, it is one of the most amazing cities that I have visited but the roads are abismal. Regards Liz Beecher In a message dated 31/08/2003 22:47:43 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: [lace] Long-Distance Travel to Learn Date: 31/08/2003 22:47:43 GMT Daylight Time From: A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A To: A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A Sent from the Internet Again from Liz: Where I live there are about 20 groups within 10 - 20 miles of me. But, as I live in South London this means that most are between 90 - 180 minutes away. I mean, on a clear day you can see West London from where I live - you just can't drive there. ROTFL And people are amazed that I drive 110 km each way twice a month to go to a lace meeting, which only takes me 75 minutes! Noelene in Cooma [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nlafferty/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] copyright issues
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I love the fact that I can photocopy the pattern then take a true pricking from it. But only if the photocopier doesn't distort the pattern - be warned, and do a sample copy first with accurately measured horizontal and vertical lines - or you might have anything but at true pattern! Printing processes are just as bad - the cakeband in Needlecraft or Needlework - can't remember which - several years ago caused one of my students major headaches. Thanks to contact with the designer, who was a friend of a friend, we discovered, on checking the magazine against her computer print out, the magazine pricking was 2mm narrower and 5mm shorter - and her design had been for Coton Perle 8 at virtually its will just fit in this grid point. After the distortion in the printing processes, it didn't fit at all! -- Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: Name for a girl hedgehog
On Saturday, Aug 30, 2003, at 12:39 US/Eastern, Pene Piip wrote: She'll be five weeks old, was born at the end of July, so Juliet or Julie are possibilities.She is the traditional salt pepper colour, so Pepper is another name but I'm not crazy about it. How about Saltine (Tina for short)? I'm not crazy about Pepper myself; to me it's masculine. Or, going a step further from Jenny's Grizzle... Grizelda ? g I would like a name that is different to the traditional hedgehog names like Prickles, Mrs Tiggywinkle. In Poland, every second hedgehog tends to be called Tuptus or Tuptusia (depending on sex). Loosely translated, it would be something like Stompie, or Tappie; tup, tup (pronounced toop, toop; *not* like the English of the same spelling g) being the sound feet make over the floor. I think you ought to name her *after* you get her -- something in her personality will suggest the right name for her, I'm sure... - Tamara P Duvall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Preserving for the future
When did you last look at all the pictures that you and your family past and present have taken? I have suddenly had to look through many photos, yes some are in albums, most of my lace ones are. I have done what my family in the past have done, not dated or named, whether it be people, lace, events. Why have I suddenly thought about this, well for months I have been thinking about a letter I found from my mothers cousin who lived in N Y state in 1932. I had not a clue in the old photographs who was who. But I knew they lived in the States remember being told by my grandmother. Just last Saturday I did a surf of my great-great-grandfathers name, low and behold I found information on the web, someone had searched and found the grandfather and his family, their ages in 1851, plus there was an email address from the person who had requested this turns out yes to be a relative of mine living in the States, since then we have been e-mailing information, I have just received three photographers, with most of the names of the people in the photographs, I just can't believe my luck. So now my first job is to go through all the old photographs, put them in family order, then when I can name them. I have even found two cards from the late 1800's stating the deaths of two men in our family. This is something that we don't do today, which I find interesting. Oh I even found an envelope of lace photographs, have not a clue when and where I took them. DH laughed when I said that I had better do something about my photographs, just grinned and said, you have 900 on your digital camera to do. Jean in Newbury UK To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: Name for a girl hedgehog
Hello Pene, A name for a girl hedgehognot the classic ones. You have made me reconsider my rather odd childhood! This has set me to thinking. I lived ½ year in Alexandria, Virginia (the old south) and ½ year in Sacramento, California (the Golden West) from the time I was 3 until I was in college. My father had a seat in Congress and was the representative from Sacramentoso this odd life was the only life I knew and it seemed perfectly normal to me. I tell you this because, looking back on it, there were some odd comparisons that I made effortlessly as children do. One of the areas where there were vast differences was in the names and the ways of addressing adults in the south compared to California. There was a lady in our neighborhood whom everyone called Miss Talitha. Her father had been a confederate officer and she had been educated, as well bred southern ladies were, at Bryn Mawyr . I think her lady like ways and her lovely southern name should not go to waste. Would that do for a girl hedgehog? As an alternative, there was another lady in the neighborhood her husband was a Colonel in the Army. She had married him and had a wonderful life of travel and adventure. Her name was Mabsey Shewbridge and that has an unusual ring to it. She was a bit of a tartar in some ways, but always a gracious hostess. I used to help her set up wonderful lawn parties on her terraces in late spring. These names come to me as unique enough and yet with a definite lilt to them. While they are not names from lace they are names of character and have not been over used. The last choice I have to offer you would be some family names from the past of my mothers grandmother. Within a generation of each other I have found the names Trafton for a boy (Trafton West) and in my fathers family who came to California with the gold rush starting in 1842 , the name Afton for a girl (Afton Moss) who came to California from Utah just after the turn of the century now those would be a great set of names for a couple (even of hedgehogs) , Trafton and Afton simply has a lovely lilt to it! Enjoy your new pet---and tell us what names you finally chooseit will be a hard choice! Allison E. Moss-Fritch In sunny and brisk, Santa Clara, California To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Name for a girl hedgehog
Ah ! and here's another one... name her for Margaret Hamer and call her Maggie! Clay - Original Message - From: Jean Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 4:27 AM Subject: [lace-chat] Name for a girl hedgehog I'm absolutely hopeless at naming animals. When a girl (Pauline Green) at the stables where we kept our horses got a new animal and asked for suggestions for a name, all I could come up with was Pea Green. It was mottled grey and she finally settled on 'Chantilly Lace', Shanty for short. I like Clay's suggestion because of the connection between hedgehogs and lacemaking. Jean in a very chilly Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] photos
My mom is the family genealogy nut. You'd think someone who has boxes of very old family photos with labels like Mother on them -- no date, no name, no indication of *whose* mother -- would label her own photos, but no. I'm one who obsessively labels my photographs with full names and dates. I don't want them to end up for sale like some in a horrible box I once saw in an antique store, labelled Instant Ancestors, full of old tintypes. Lynn Carpenter in SW Michigan, USA alwen at i2k dot com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Fw: Disorder in the Court....
Disorder in the Court These are from a book called Disorder in the Court, and are things people actually said in court, word for word, taken down and now published by court reporters - who had the torment of staying calm while these exchanges were actually taking place. Some of these are excellent - don't miss the last one. __ Q: Are you sexually active? A: No, I just lie there. __ Q: What is your date of birth? A: July 15th. Q: What year? A: Every year. __ Q: What gear were you in at the moment of the impact? A: Gucci sweats and Reeboks. __ Q: This myasthenia gravis, does it affect your memory at all? A: Yes. Q: And in what ways does it affect your memory? A: I forget. Q: You forget. Can you give us an example of something that you've forgotten? _ Q: How old is your son, the one living with you? A: Thirty-eight or thirty-five, I can't remember which. Q: How long has he lived with you? A: Forty-five years. _ Q: What was the first thing your husband said to you when he woke up that morning? A: He said, Where am I, Cathy? Q: And why did that upset you? A: My name is Susan. _ Q: Do you know if your daughter has ever been involved in voodoo or the occult? A: We both do. Q: Voodoo? A: We do. Q: You do? A: Yes, voodoo. __ Q: Now doctor, isn't it true that when a person dies in his sleep, he doesn't know about it until the next morning? __ Q: The youngest son, the twenty-year-old, how old is he? __ Q: Were you present when your picture was taken? __ Q: So the date of conception (of the baby) was August 8th? A: Yes. Q: And what were you doing at that time? __ Q: She had three children, right? A: Yes. Q: How many were boys? A: None. Q: Were there any girls? __ Q: How was your first marriage terminated? A: By death. Q: And by whose death was it terminated? __ Q: Can you describe the individual? A: He was about medium height and had a beard. Q: Was this a male, or a female? __ Q: Is your appearance here this morning pursuant to a deposition notice which I sent to your attorney? A: No, this is how I dress when I go to work. __ Q: Doctor, how many autopsies have you performed on dead people? A: All my autopsies are performed on dead people. __ Q: All your responses must be oral, OK? What school did you go to? A: Oral. __ Q: Do you recall the time that you examined the body? A: The autopsy started around 8:30 p.m. Q: And Mr. Dennington was dead at the time? A: No, he was sitting on the table wondering why I was doing an autopsy. __ Q: Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check for a pulse? A: No. Q: Did you check for blood pressure? A: No. Q: Did you check for breathing? A: No. Q: So, then it is possible that the patient was alive when you began the autopsy? A: No. Q: How can you be so sure, Doctor? A: Because his brain was sitting on my desk in a jar. Q: But could the patient have still been alive, nevertheless? A: Yes, it is possible that he could have been alive and practising law somewhere -- Penny Ostler Williams To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Name for a girl hedgehog
I'm absolutely hopeless at naming animals. When a girl (Pauline Green) at the stables where we kept our horses got a new animal and asked for suggestions for a name, all I could come up with was Pea Green. It was mottled grey and she finally settled on 'Chantilly Lace', Shanty for short. I like Clay's suggestion because of the connection between hedgehogs and lacemaking. Jean in a very chilly Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] photos
After our experience in January - keep copies of all your important photos somewhere else - maybe just the negatives or scan them into a computer and put them on a disc to safely store off site! Jenny Rees Canberra Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our kitchen went in last week! To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
