[lace] Re: Bayeux books
On Wednesday, Nov 19, 2003, at 00:33 US/Eastern, Dona Bushong wrote:
I'm interested in working on some Bayeux lace. I'm currently living
in Guam
and have no teacher resources here. I have the book, Dentelle de
Bayeux,
La...Fouriscot, Mick & Salvador, Myl&eagrave;ne... 1999...French...
45p... [...]
a book on Bayeaux, Bayeux Lace, Yesterday's Lace for Today...
Nobecourt,
Maria-Catherine& Potin, Janine... 1990... English,French... 78p...
Progression
from beginning through advanced... 17:4,Sum96-97.
Does anyone know anything about this book?
I have both those books. The Fouriscot one has nicer patterns but the
Nobecourt one is, by far (IMO, anyway), better as a "starter" book for
Bayeux. The core of it had been written, originally, as a teaching
manual, so it's progressive (as to difficulty level) in the arrangement
of patterns, and teaches something new in each one. There are a lot of
technique "tips", both in the introductory section and with each
pattern. The diagrams are quite clear and, having fewer colours than
the Fouriscot book, easier to comprehend at a glance. It may not, OTOH,
give you *all* the techniques needed to execute the patterns in the
Fouriscot book -- the more complex of those would still be a bit of a
"stretch".
Would it be worth the price of Priority Mail to get it here?
Media mail takes anywhere from 2-3 months to arrive here in Guam.
Depending on how desperate you are time-wise... And how interested you
are in the technique... Personally, I'd *buy* the book (so I'd have it
forever, rather than for just 2 weeks), but buy it from Barbara Fay,
and have it shipped via surface mail. It is "slow boat to China", but
the shipping is free (you can pay and have it air-shipped; she charges
only what's *over* the surface mail. I've never used that way, but it's
available)
The book is listed in the current ('03) catalogue at 32 Euro; not cheap
given the state of the $, but, if you borrowed it from IOLI, you'd be
spending close to half of it in shipping it back and forth from US, and
then you'd only have it for a short time -- not quite enough to *learn*
much...
Are there any other books/resources that you would recommend?
None that I know of. Polychrome de Courseulles ones are the closest.
But they *build on* the Bayeux techniques, rather than *teach* them...
And they're hard to find...
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Tamara P Duvall
Lexington, Virginia, USA
Formerly of Warsaw, Poland
http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/
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[lace] Bayeux books
I'm interested in working on some Bayeux lace. I'm currently living in Guam and have no teacher resources here. I have the book, Dentelle de Bayeux, La...Fouriscot, Mick & Salvador, Myl&eagrave;ne... 1999...French... 45p... Color photographs, diagrams, color-coded technical diagrams, and prickings, and while the diagrams are good, I'd like to have another source of instruction to go along with it, preferably in English since it's been awhile since I've had to use my French. I am a member of IOLI and I have looked at their resources to borrow. There is a book on Bayeaux, Bayeux Lace, Yesterday's Lace for Today... Nobecourt, Maria-Catherine& Potin, Janine... 1990... English,French... 78p... Progression from beginning through advanced... 17:4,Sum96-97. Does anyone know anything about this book? Would it be a good second source to work with. Would it be worth the price of Priority Mail to get it here? Media mail takes anywhere from 2-3 months to arrive here in Guam. Are there any other books/resources that you would recommend? I'm also not adverse to purchasing a resource if useful. Are there any videos on Bayeux? Any information/insight would be appreciated. Dona in Asan, Guam where a monsoon has been blowing through the last few days. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Downton Bobbins
What do Downton bobbins look like please? Noelene in Cooma [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nlafferty/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Exercises during lace making
Thanks. This is a very good excersise, I can feel the spine becoming straighter. Ann-Marie http://community.webshots.com/user/annma1 > One other exercise that may help. I learned to correct a chin forward > problem but is great for the back: > > Sit up as straight as you can and tuck in your chin, then #1--pull your > whole head backwards and #2-- then up as far as you can (as if a string was > attached to the back of your head). Do these actions separately as numbered > . You will feel the pull up your spine-- the tighter your muscles are, the > more the pull. Do 20 to 30 times. This is next best to a massage and much > better than stretching your head forward. > > Diane Z > Lubec, Maine - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Fax number
Thank you, thank you, Sof! You sent me just what I was frantically looking for and couldn't find. I called everyone I could think of, I even called the French consul -- no luck. You really came to my rescue! Thanks again! -- Aurelia - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Spangle Question
Oh, I can't agree with you, Robin, that Christine Springett's spangles are "loose and floppy." I have dozens of her bobbins, and they are perfect. If there were anything the matter with them (and there isn't), it would only be that we amateur spanglers have a hard time matching their perfection. -- Aurelia - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Exercises during lace making
One other exercise that may help. I learned to correct a chin forward problem but is great for the back: Sit up as straight as you can and tuck in your chin, then #1--pull your whole head backwards and #2-- then up as far as you can (as if a string was attached to the back of your head). Do these actions separately as numbered . You will feel the pull up your spine-- the tighter your muscles are, the more the pull. Do 20 to 30 times. This is next best to a massage and much better than stretching your head forward. Diane Z Lubec, Maine - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Downton Bobbins
I was interested in the query about Downton bobbins. This past July, our Cathedral Choir sang for a week in Salisbury Cathedral and when I met with Jan Gardiner for lunch at the Salisbury Museum (directly across from the Cathedral), I did a little shopping after lunch and was delighted to find some bobbins for sale, some of which were Downton. Jan and I had enjoyed the lace display on the second floor of the Museum and I learned that Downton lace was made in that area. Later in the week, one of my fellow choir members asked if I had seen the lacemaking books at the Museum. I hadn't so of course, had to return and purchased both that were available on Downton lace. There wasn't a large stock of bobbins but if all else fails, you may be able to contact them and ask for a supplier. Just enjoyed a day of lacemaking and lunch at my place with some lace pals on a dreary, wet afternoon - at least the wet stuff isn't white!! Jane Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario, the hub of the Great Lakes. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: lace-digest V1 #3849
In a message dated 11/7/03 6:42:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Or use the US Postal Service's strategy when making state abbreviations. Use the last letter if the first is duplicated. Half stitch becomes CN, American whole/double stitch is CNCN, open half becomes NC, and passing a gimp is TCTT. >> I'm sorry, but I don't understand this. Half stitch becomes CN?? Cross ? Maybe the penny will drop soon. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: [lace]colour-coding, aargh...
Hi everyone various others wrote: > So. If we used just three (which is all that's really needed, if one > > Red (interpreted as "dark grey")... > Red + cross-hatch = whole stitch (CTCT, or \ // \ //) > Green/blue/turquoise (interpreted as "medium grey") = half stitch (CT, ..> Yellow for single thread. The picture I have in mind, of such a diagram, is looking quite confusing to me. > And that would be very easy for the printer. > Red (dark grey) would be process magenta, Blue/green (medium grey) No - please - 'easy' maybe. 'expensive' yes - a hassle for the layout editor totally - and agreement on the accuracy of the printer, and on how it looks on whatever quality of paper - aieee (been there, doing that). Supposing it was printed in greyscale, the shades of grey plus any various cross-hatchings would drive me nuts. I guess I'm just used to black and white but to me it is simplest and most effective. Note that yellow on a white page with no other reference marks around it can disappear. I for one do not want to try to draw diagrams in this way - I'll stick to black and white for teaching, for whatever. I like it that colour diagrams are an option, and providing the reference code is given - at front of publication or with the pricking, then I think anyone can choose whatever suits them. I don't see the need to try to make a universal code. I foresee headaches in the process. There is an excellent article by Anne Dyer on colour theory in the current issue of 'Lace.' She mentions colour bias (i.e. interpretation of the colour one is looking at). -- bye for now Bev in Sooke, BC (west coast of Canada) Cdn. floral bobbins http://www.victoria.tc.ca/~wt912 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Publisher's e-mail address
On 18 Nov 2003, at 9:12, Aurelia L. Loveman wrote: > > What I was wanting was the e-mail address for Dessain et Tolra. I > wrote them a regular postal letter, asking for permission to reprint a > bit out of that book. No response. Not a yes, not a no, nothing. I > was hoping that maybe an e-mail appeal might bring results. I need it > as an illustration for a reference about Elena in an article that is > being published in the IOLI Bulletin -- should have thought the > publisher would be more pleased than not, to be asked for this! > Hello, I just find this: Dessain et tolra 21, rue du Montparnasse 75283 Paris cedex 06 Tél. 01-44-39-44-00 Fax. 01-44-39-43-43 Sof - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] RE: Exercises during lace making & T.V. Show
Hy, Somme week ago, I asked my niece (who will be a "physiothérapeute" in a couple of week) to show me exercices for lacemaker. I'll meet her next saturday and she will write me something about it. So, I'll be able to give those informations at our next meeting, Christmas Party, November the 28th. I'm sure I'll be able put it on arachne ! ! For now I am busy to prepare a T.V. show. November 20th the Association have being invite to participate at a show called "LE MEC À DAMES" to show them how to do lace. We'll be 3 of us: 2 showing lace and 1 taking We don't know the exact hour we will be on TV but the show run from 9 to 10h30 (am)at the TQS Channel (35). One of the lady, who came from Catalagne in Spain, will be dress with a suit as in her country. (Sorry for my English...). We will have also different type of lace made by our members, differents tools and bobbins. I hope words won't stuck in my mouth ! ! ! Have a nice day. Ann Genest Association des dentellières du Québec Inc. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Downton bobbins
Hi Diane, I would get in contact with Pompi Parry. At IOLI, I was in her class on Downton lace and she had some Downton bobbins for sale. They are cute little devils. Patty Dowden -Original Message- From: Diane Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 5:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [lace] Downton bobbins Does anyone know of a supplier that sells Downton bobbins? = Diane Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galena Illinois USA __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: [lace] exercises...
Hi everyone Sulochona wrote: > Does anyone know the editor of the Canadian Lace Gazette well enough to request.. I know her quite well ;) There were two articles on exercises in past issues: one was reprinted with permission from Message Therapy Focus on Health Care, No. 1, Sept. 1992. The other is the Lotus Hand Dance based on Yoga Made Easy by Rosalind Widdowson. Yes, for copyright reasons neither article will be posted on the web. However, if you want the information only, do please contact me and I'll send a text file. -- bye for now Bev stretching in Sooke, BC (west coast of Canada) and doing editorial tasks today www.lacegazette.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] getting permission from publishers
Aurelia,
I have a lot of practice squeezing permissions out of publishers. It took me
a year and a half to get permission to reprint over 100 academic articles
written by my late professor and I used almost every means at my disposal to
track down publishers, including offers by personal friends to camp on
doorsteps. Most publishers don't care much one way or the other whether you
reprint in a small-circulation publication like the IOLI bulletin (it's not
like you work for the NY Times or CNN), so answering your letters isn't high
on their list of priorities. Very often they're understaffed and your letter
has simply gotten lost in the shuffle.
Snail mail is, in general, more effective than e-mail because it's harder to
ignore and leaves a paper trail. Now that you've sent them a snail mail, the
next move is to follow it up. A phone call is fastest and usually gets
results quickly (they'll either say "yes" on the spot or refer you to
someone who will tell you what the reprint fee, if any, will be). If you
would prefer not to do that, you can try faxing them. That's also more
difficult to ignore. My letter of last resort is, "Since I have not had any
response to my letters of February 5, March 28, and August 15, I presume
that you have no objection to my including this article in the collection."
That usually works! A senior professor taught me that trick.
Best wishes,
Avital
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Subject: Re: [lace] Publisher's e-mail address
Thank you, Dora. That book ("Dentelles de notre temps") is the one that
Doreen Wright gave me as a present, that I mentioned some weeks ago when we
were remembering Doreen here. The book still electrifies lacemakers when
they come in for a visit and I take the book out and show it. What a genius
was (is?) Elena H !
What I was wanting was the e-mail address for Dessain et Tolra. I wrote
them a regular postal letter, asking for permission to reprint a bit out of
that book. No response. Not a yes, not a no, nothing. I was hoping that
maybe an e-mail appeal might bring results. I need it as an illustration
for a reference about Elena in an article that is being published in the
IOLI Bulletin -- should have thought the publisher would be more pleased
than not, to be asked for this!
Aurelia
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RE: [lace] Spangle Question
>>>From: Shirlee Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm thinking the answer might be "do whatever makes you happy," but I'm wondering if there should be a certain weight to the spangle or if the weight matters at all ... <<< Weight does matter somewhat. Fine threads can be stressed by "heavy" bobbins, and they're easily broken with relatively careful manipulation. Very coarse threads need "heavy" bobbins to keep them under control. The bobbin is more than just a handy way to move the threads about--it's also weight to keep the thread under tension, to help make the lace crisp and tidy when it's done. Too much weight/tension breaks threads, but too little can leave puckers and wiggles in the lace. A bobbin "too light" for the thread also allows the thread to jump its hitch and you have a renegade bobbin dashing for the floor. That being said, there's not an exact weight necessary for each thread. Just "heavier" bobbins for "heavier" threads and "lighter" bobbins for "lighter" threads. A given bobbin can be used for a wide range of thread weights, and a given thread can be handled nicely with a wide range of bobbin weights. The Springetts published a booklet, "Spangling Bobbins the Springett Way", and many people learned to spangle from that book. Those beads are what Christine prefers for the range of thread sizes she uses. Some people prefer a variation on her method, some pay no attention to her method. Antique bobbins have all sorts of spangles, with buttons, beads of all sizes and shapes, big loops/small loops, loose wire, you name it. You can spangle with whatever you want, it's just that Christine's method makes a nice "rule of thumb". The most common mistake I've seen in spangles is making them too big. All those lovely beads, you want to use them all on a spangle. Big spangles get in each others' way on the pillow, and I found I had to re-do many of my early bobbins and some I bought because the spangles were too big in diameter. Also, big means heavy, unless you're using plastic or other light weight beads, so you're back to breaking fine threads. The other common mistake I see is choice of doo-dads to put onto the spangle. I put tiny seahorses onto a pair, and the stupid things keep grabbing each other's tail when I try to separate them. Also, a really big bead sticks up from the pillow and, like a big loop of beads, gets in the way--especially when there are lots of bobbins on the pillow. Sometimes you find a really neat doo-dad that's enough weight all by itself. You can make a spangle out of just that, but be warned--it will roll. Some people like spangles specifically because they stop the bobbins rolling about the pillow (untwisting or overtwisting the thread), so they will hate this 1-bead kind of spangle. Some people just use seed or rocaille beads, but you need rather a lot of them to provide weight, and you're back to the big-ring problem. However, these small beads are good for a heavier bobbin, such as brass ones. A small ring of them will be enough to control rolling without making the bobbin even heavier than it already is. Personally, the thing I don't like about the Springett method is that the spangle is loose and floppy. When I pick up a bobbin, the spangle dangles and catches on the one I'm trying to flip past. So I bring both ends of the wire through the bobbin hole and around to the side of the bobbin, where I twist them together. I bend the twisted bit down against the wood so it doesn't catch on things, and then the spangle sticks straight out from the end of the bobbin as a single, rigid unit. Beyond that, my spangles vary tremendously, depending on the beads I have, my mood the day I spangled them, and what "goes with" the bobbin. But I generally have the largest bead on the bottom, medium beads to the sides, and a smallish bead against the wood (the last is because that's what fits best against the wood). But there may be disks or other shapes in there, and there's often not a smooth progression of sizes. I like the variety. Everybody has personal taste in spangles (except, perhaps, the people who prefer unspangled!), in diameter of the ring, diameters of the largest and smallest beads they're willing to use, kinds of beads, and how they're attached. Much of spangling is personal taste, and you should experiment to find the design you prefer. The Springett method makes a good starting point, but it's not the "official" spangle design. Robin P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA http://www.pittsburghlace.8m.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Publisher's e-mail address
Thank you, Dora. That book ("Dentelles de notre temps") is the one that
Doreen Wright gave me as a present, that I mentioned some weeks ago when we
were remembering Doreen here. The book still electrifies lacemakers when
they come in for a visit and I take the book out and show it. What a genius
was (is?) Elena H !
What I was wanting was the e-mail address for Dessain et Tolra. I wrote
them a regular postal letter, asking for permission to reprint a bit out of
that book. No response. Not a yes, not a no, nothing. I was hoping that
maybe an e-mail appeal might bring results. I need it as an illustration
for a reference about Elena in an article that is being published in the
IOLI Bulletin -- should have thought the publisher would be more pleased
than not, to be asked for this!
Aurelia
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[lace] Downton bobbins
Does anyone know of a supplier that sells Downton bobbins? = Diane Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galena Illinois USA __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Spangle Question
I have wondered about that too - and now use the bobbins with lighter spangles on finer thread eg finer than Brok 100, and the Springetts'/ Fountain's ones on anything thicker than that. I have used the Springett's ones on finer threads too and the lace is good - but definitely tighter tension than the same pattern worked with continental bobbins (having been in a class with people working the same piece. Yes, there could have been a difference in individual's tensions, but I also suspect that the weight of the bobbins was the main reason. after all when you use 140 thread you can't pull hard to tension it!) Sue [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Is there a "general rule" about the weight/size of a spangle? I used to get > spangled bobbins from Springetts which were made with a size 10 or 12 mm bottom bead & then two size 8s & two size 4s with metal beads as spacers. > > Shirlee Hill - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Springetts/Fountains Bobbins
Are there any dealers who sell the "formerly Springetts/now Fountains" bobbins besides Fountains? Shirlee Hill - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Spangle Question
Is there a "general rule" about the weight/size of a spangle? I used to get spangled bobbins from Springetts which were made with a size 10 or 12 mm bottom bead & then two size 8s & two size 4s with metal beads as spacers. I've also purchased spangled bobbins from other dealers with size 8 mm bottom beads & smaller side beads. I'm thinking the answer might be "do whatever makes you happy," but I'm wondering if there should be a certain weight to the spangle or if the weight matters at all ... & is there really that much difference in the weight of a spangle made the Springetts way as compared to one with a size 8 mm bottom bead, two size 6s, two size 4s, & a couple of metal spacer beads? Shirlee Hill - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Exercises during lace making
Bev Walker, who contributes frequently to Arachne, is the editor of the Canadian Lace Gazette. She may not be able to post the article as the copyright would be owned by the author. On Monday, November 17, 2003, at 10:30 PM, Sulochona Chaudhuri wrote: Does anyone know the editor of the Canadian Lace Gazette well enough to request her to put the article mentioned below by Jackie, on the Web ? Margot Walker in Halifax on the east coast of Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
