Subject: [lace] Technical Nottingham Bucks headside question
Julie wrote: This is a staggeringly technical question, but I would like to know the answer and can't think of who else to ask. I am working through Chapter 3 Bucks Point of Pamela Nottingham's The Technique of Bobbin Lace Completely Revised New Edition. Neither is wrong (or they're both right - depends which way uou look at it!) The important thing is whether you like the result so go ahead and do what sems best to you. The first time the 'valley' headside appeared Pam Nottingham will have explained exactly what to do, after that you're supposed to use what you've learnt already and any other diagrams provided (at least that's the way I write instruction books). Right now I'm working hard at my latest effort for the Lace Guild - An Introduction to Bedfordshire Lace - which I'm hoping to finish by the middle of February. Is there anyone out there with time to test a pattern for me? Jean in very wet and windy Glasgow - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] A message from the Professor
This should help all of us keep abreast of what is going on. From the Professor this afternoon: All the recent books are on the Web, via the Page of the Month. The Arachnids should look at http://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/weavedocs.html every so often. I think you will find some books of interest which have just been added: the Goubaud book recently mentioned on Arachne, and Queen Marie's book on tatting. Plus others... Tess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] eBay bobbins
Ah, this guy is back, or it looks like it's the same guy. Be warned, he uses the same photo every time he lists bobbins, and you don't necessarily get the same assortment as in the photo. You do get 10 assorted antique French bobbins, and the photo is representative of the shapes and sizes, but if you bid because there's a certain shape in there that you adore, you may not get that one! I got two lots of bobbins from him, and I'm happy with the service, and was warned (I think by Clay) about the difference between the photo and what you get so I wasn't in any way disappointed or angry. I just want people to be aware that they're bidding on 10 antique French bobbins, but not on *those particular* antique French bobbins. Robin P. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA -Original Message- From: Susan MacLeod [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] These are listed as 19th century french lacemaking bobbins. Interesting shapes. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3266186461category=114 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Re: Big finishing for lace project
From: Viv Dewar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd ask the framer to use non-reflective glass too. (I've never framed lace, but that's what I used in pre-BL days for cross stitch). It cuts out some of the glare IMO is worth the extra cost Personally, I don't like non-glare glass. It's got a tiny bit of roughness to prevent the reflections, and anything that's not right up against it looks fuzzy to me. And textiles should *never, ever* be up against the glass. Always have a mat or some sort of spacer between the backing and the glass. just my opinion, Robin P. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] pillow stand
coming out of lurking I'm sure I must have the best husband in the world! He built a pillow stand for my Christmas present. I found the plans on the lacefairy site in October and waved them under his nose, but he just said hmmpf. He went ahead and built it, never said a word, and completely surprised me! Here's a picture of it: http://www.geocities.com/tatt3r/fampix4.html You'll notice my pillow has no project; I am winding bobbins today so I can test the stand and see how well it adjusts. Lenore in Michigan back to lurking __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re lace stand
Looks terrific. What a splendid Christmas surprise. Ezraslace (also a lurker) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: [lace-chat] Historical Web Page
The author of this web-site made a visit to the Met last summer. I had arranged a viewing of laces of the era for her and we also went running at top speed through all the American oil paintings that dealt with the era while she sketched and commented. However, if the last updated date June 2003 is correct, I don't think she incorporated the results of that whirlwind visit in the site. I am eager to see it when she does. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Historical Web Page
Sorry. I posted a response to a message on lace-chat to lace. Actually, I think the subject matter is legitimately lace, rather than lace-chat. So if anyone is wondering which historical web-site I was referring to, it is: http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/sfelshin/revwar/lace/lace.html which a site which deals with what lace may be easily and accurately worn by Colonial American Re-enactors. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Kortelahti Pattern Questions
Hi, everyone. I am de-lurking just long enough to ask for help with a project I have taken on. I have been lacing for a few years off and on, doing mainly Torchon but also a little Beds and Milanese. In a rare moment of religious fervor, the Holy Spirit came upon me and inspired me to volunteer to make an alter cloth for my church's new alter. I chose a pretty pattern from Kortelahti's book, Nyplattya Pitsia (Bobbin Lace), pattern #29 Taivaanportti on pages 64-65. It looked simple enough at first glance, but I just can't seem to get it started properly, as I don't understand some of the symbols. For example, she has a squiggly line that descends from a pinhole, and what may or may not be short stray lines at the sides of the crosses (I'm sure they mean something. I just don't know what!). I am hoping that someone who has perhaps worked this pattern or at least has the book and understands the pattern symbols can set me straight. Please feel free to respond off-list. Thanks, in advance, for your help! Vicki Donnenberg The Woodlands, TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [lace] Technical Nottingham Bucks headside question
Due to the weather, I have time to spare, so have got out the book, and carefully noted your points. Basically, it depends on the number of pairs you have in the headside, and the effect you require. What will work for a narrow edge won't give such a pleasing appearance for a wider headside. I teach this as: your headside passive pairs are a 'reservoir' of threads (i.e.if you break one, this is where you throw out/replace), and you want its appearance to be as smooth as you can - so you leave the inner and outside pairs to be as vertical as you can, and do all exchanges between these two. Thats why you work the ones that have made the picot through 2 pairs in. (And take out for the picot the third pair in) Its all to do with how your eye sees the threads - a bundle is seen as that, so long as the two outer edges are smooth. But if you have a deep/wide valley, you will end up with the passives pulling away from the gimp/main work. So in the deep valley you take the innermost pair and take this into the work as the first pair after the valley, as it turns out. And the last output similarly/reflectively will become the new innermost one in the headside trail. If the valley is wide/deep, you can do this 'swopping' action also with the next innermost pairs. This gives you a nice triangular effect in the valley. One of the best aspects of Bucks is knowing many techniques, and applying the one which will give the desired effect in the situation. When you get to 'Floral Bucks', no two pins are the same, and you have to use your discretion all the time. Re your query regarding which is 'right' - remember, when these patterns were worked for a living, the worker would use the quickest technique - she needed to do yardage to get the most money, and so would devise her own ways - frequently many different ways even within say a yard - the lacemakers were not so highly educated, or questioning , as we are now, and there was little comparison between workers - their patterns were secret, known to them only (or their village/ lace school) - if a young girl got married and moved away, she had to burn the patterns, so that she couldn't take them with her, or carry on making them - this was competition. Hope this helps you - and that you are enjoying Bucks -there are some beautiful patterns when you are more experienced. Cheers, Milada In a wet and windy Somerset. with lots of floods everywhere. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: [lace] Kortelahti pattern questions
Hi Vicki and lace list The squiggly line on E-L's patterns means twists - if you look at the photograph, there are twists in some of those half-stitch areas, and no twists in one of them. Leave them out if you'd rather. It also looks like the end bit of those h/s areas is done in CTC, to keep the two pairs coming out of the CTC area around the cross in line with each other. Hope this clarifies, rather than confuses! -- bye for now Bev in Sooke, BC (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: [lace] Bulletin Volume 24, #2
Hi everyone Perhaps we should put a 'spoiler warning' in the subject line (like they do on message boards discussing movies) - in discussing the content of a recent magazine?! That way those who like to find out for themselves can skip or scroll past the message, and those of us who don't can appreciate the content vicariously. -- bye for now Bev, who reads the spoiler warnings *first* in Sooke, BC (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] A very lacy weekend
I had a very lacy weekend. Author Monica Ferris was in town. I had her sign my copy of Framed In Lace and bought the new book Cutwork which she signed also. (She writes mysteries that are solved by a lady who owns a needlework shop.) Then, as I was without my men, I stopped in a couple of antique stores on my walk home. In one I found a box with about 9 tatting shuttles! I purchased one, but really wanted two more. When I got home, found the IOLI bulletin in the mail and pored over it until my men got home. Lovely DH said I should have bought the other 2 shuttles, so I went back today for them. But, the best part of the weekend was last night when my 5-year son asked me to teach him bobbin lace. He picked out the color of thread he wanted, I wound the bobbins and started him on the bookworm that is in A Grandmother's Pattern Book. He was very happy because he got to use his bobbin. His bobbin is the one with his name and birthdate on it that Janice got for me when he was born. He always looks for it on my pillow. He was good for about 3 rows of cloth stitch before getting distracted by the TV. I'm so proud of him! = Diane Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galena Illinois USA __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Big finishing for lace project
One thing that no-one else has mentioned so far is that in some cases where lace is entered for exhibition, the rules state that *no* glass, other than beads, is to be used for safety reasons - it could break in transit and not only damage the textile, but also the person who unpacks it for the exhibition. This is certainly the rule for exhibitions organised by The Lace Guild (UK) - I don't know about others, but it would be sensible to check before having the piece framed. When I entered a DMC cross stitch competition some years ago (Great British Sampler - got into the final 50 of about 350), the piece had to be framed without glass, so I arranged with our local framer that he would frame it without glass to start with, and then when it was returned from DMC he would have it back to glaze for me. As it happened, the frame was damaged when it was returned (I have my suspicions that this did not happen in transit, as the packaging was not damaged in any way) and he put that right as well, at no extra charge. I do know that some people get round the no glass ruling by having the piece framed behind perspex. -- Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] eBay bobbins
Robin is right - I think! I bid on the first lot he had some months ago, and was delighted with the group I got... they were, in fact, the ones pictures. But I was surprised to see *my* group of bobbins listed the following week - before I had even received mine!! I was a bit worried and wrote to him about it. At the same time, I wrote to the list and warned you about the situation... He replied that he was using the same picture to save the hassle of photographing each batch. I warned him that collectors are serious about what they are looking for, and he was opening himself up to complaints from buyers to ebay... He wrote back that he was mending his ways, and thanked me for the feedback. All of this correspondence with him occurred after I had written to Arachne... So if you're interested in the bobbins (and those fat garlic French bobbins are wonderful...) you might want to just write to him and ask if the bobbins he will ship are, in fact, the ones pictured. I got a great group which included six of the garlic (my term... but that's what they make me think of...), and four du Puy - all of which are essentially the same size, but no two are alike... And they look very old. Clay - Original Message - From: Panza, Robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 9:32 AM Subject: RE: [lace] eBay bobbins Ah, this guy is back, or it looks like it's the same guy. Be warned, he uses the same photo every time he lists bobbins, and you don't necessarily get the same assortment as in the photo. You do get 10 assorted antique French bobbins, and the photo is representative of the shapes and sizes, but if you bid because there's a certain shape in there that you adore, you may not get that one! I got two lots of bobbins from him, and I'm happy with the service, and was warned (I think by Clay) about the difference between the photo and what you get so I wasn't in any way disappointed or angry. I just want people to be aware that they're bidding on 10 antique French bobbins, but not on *those particular* antique French bobbins. Robin P. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA -Original Message- From: Susan MacLeod [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] These are listed as 19th century french lacemaking bobbins. Interesting shapes. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3266186461category=114 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] pillow stand
Wow - OH WOW!! You have got not only a very caring husband, but also a very talented one!! MY DH gave me five dozen bobbins for Christmas, and I thought I'd died and gone to heaven!! So I've trotten him into my office to ooh and aah over your picture, and suggested that my birthday would be a good time Yes - I'm shameless. Clay - Original Message - From: Lenore English [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 10:43 AM Subject: [lace] pillow stand coming out of lurking I'm sure I must have the best husband in the world! He built a pillow stand for my Christmas present. I found the plans on the lacefairy site in October and waved them under his nose, but he just said hmmpf. He went ahead and built it, never said a word, and completely surprised me! Here's a picture of it: http://www.geocities.com/tatt3r/fampix4.html You'll notice my pillow has no project; I am winding bobbins today so I can test the stand and see how well it adjusts. Lenore in Michigan back to lurking __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] IOLI Bulletin
Clay wrote: Well, Janice, now I don't have to read the Bulletin when it comes! You've given a synopsis of the magazine so we won't have any surprises! Next time I see the title I'll delete without reading the posting... Clay, there is a lot more in the Bulletin than I mentioned. I was only giving Kudos to the Arachne members that had something published. I did not tell you about the wonderful colorful pictures of lace on the inside covers or the other patterns and articles so there are still pleny of surprises for you. It is unusual for me to post anything new as it is sometimes days before I get the digest and by then the answers are in the same digest. In fact Sylvie Nguyen beat me to mentioning the fan by Tamara. I appreciate a mention on Arachne when I get something published. We all need a little ego boost every now and then. Janice Unrepentant for getting in first with the news!! ;-) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: IOLI Bulletin
On Jan 12, 2004, at 21:15, Janice Blair wrote: Clay wrote: Well, Janice, now I don't have to read the Bulletin when it comes! You've given a synopsis of the magazine so we won't have any surprises! Next time I see the title I'll delete without reading the posting... Wasn' Clay; was Betty Ann (same Southern Stew, though; and me in it too g)... Betty Ann, whatever bit you today? g I appreciate a mention on Arachne when I get something published. We all need a little ego boost every now and then. I like to see a preview myself, even though I do subscribe, and even when I have nothing published; gives me something to look forward to (am still looking; my copy hasn't arrived yet g). And all Janice gave away was Arachne, in thumbnails -- the full picture is yet to come... Personally, I'm looking forward to reading *the full article* written by Devon that Janice had dangled in front of me... Devon's articles (in the past few issues) have been -- uniformly -- well-informed, well-written, *and funny*; they brighten my day every time. So, for me, it was far from being a spoiler... :) - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA -- where the weather's been *crazy*. 2 nights ago, the temps dropped to 2F (ca -15C); this afternoon, it was 54F (ca +13C)... Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] articles in bullitins
I'm sorry, but I must disagree with almost everyone. I don't have the money to join the IOLI and I really like to hear from those who do about what is in them. Its very uplifting when you can hear about someone who has put their brains and fingers to work and come up with a new pattern. Please don't stop talking about them. Roslyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] IOLI Bulletin
Unuh, it was me, the Certified Curmudgeon who wrote that posting, not Clay. Credit where credit is due! Love, Betty Ann in Roanoke, Virginia USA Janice Blair wrote: Clay wrote: Well, Janice, now I don't have to read the Bulletin when it comes! You've given a synopsis of the magazine so we won't have any surprises! Next time I see the title I'll delete without reading the posting... - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] :-) Medicare
Mrs. Ward goes to the doctor's office to collect her husband's test results. The lab tech says to her, I'm sorry, ma'am, but there has been a big mix-up and we have a problem. When we sent your husband's samples to the lab, the samples from another Mr. Ward were sent as well and we are now uncertain which one is your husband's. Frankly, it is either bad or terrible. What do you mean? Mrs. Ward asked. Well, one has tested positive for Alzheimer's and the other for AIDS. We can't tell which is your husband. That's terrible! Can we do the test over? questioned Mrs. Ward. Normally, yes. But Medicare won't pay for these expensive tests more than once. Well, what am I supposed to do now? The people at Medicare recommend that you drop your husband off in the middle of town. If he finds his way home, don't sleep with him. Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace-chat] :-) Medicare
As I read my mail first thing in the morning I really must thank Jean for starting my day of with a great laugh on a day really needing one ! What a hoot! Thanks so much and I'll pass it on to brighten a few more days. Darlene Mulholland www.darlenem.com Mrs. Ward goes to the doctor's office to collect her husband's test results. The lab tech says to her, I'm sorry, ma'am, but there has been a big mix-up and we have a problem. When we sent your husband's samples to the lab, the samples from another Mr. Ward were sent as well and we are now uncertain which one is your husband's. Frankly, it is either bad or terrible. What do you mean? Mrs. Ward asked. Well, one has tested positive for Alzheimer's and the other for AIDS. We can't tell which is your husband. That's terrible! Can we do the test over? questioned Mrs. Ward. Normally, yes. But Medicare won't pay for these expensive tests more than once. Well, what am I supposed to do now? The people at Medicare recommend that you drop your husband off in the middle of town. If he finds his way home, don't sleep with him. Jean in Poole --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.560 / Virus Database: 352 - Release Date: 08/01/2004 To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Secret pal thank you!!!
Hi I want to thank my Secret Pal in Brittain for another outstanding package. It couldn't have arrived on a day when i could use cheering up more! Those threads are Gorgeous together, i'm a chicken when it comes to using color, but i will most certainly find something to make with them. The spider suncatcher is far far too pretty, thank you! The note cards and the letter opener are also gorgeous and useful. So Many Many thanks ! I hope you are having fun and are enjoying the New Year! -jenn Seattle, WA USA To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] :) Fwd: The same?
Reminds me of a fairy tale (Brothers Grimm?), where a traveller, too poor to buy his dinner, is nevertheless charged for it, because he'd *smelled* it (being in the same room). So, he pays the innkeeper by dropping a coin on the floor and pocketing it again -- the inkeeper *heard* the clink of it... :) From: R.P. A married man goes into the confessional and says to his priest I had an affair with a woman... almost. The priest says, What do you mean, almost? The man says, Well, we got undressed and rubbed together, but then I stopped. The priest says, Rubbing together is the same as putting it in. You're not to see that woman again. For your penance, say 5 Hail Mary's and put $50 in the poor box. The man leaves the confessional, says his prayers, then walks over to the poor box. He pauses for a moment and then starts to leave. The priest, who was watching, runs after him saying, I saw that you didn't put any money in the poor box! The man replies, Yeah, but I rubbed the $50 on the box, and apparently that's the same as putting it in. - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
