[lace] filet guipure

[Tess1929]

Once again,the list has come up with a subject I am working on!  Vibeke lent me 
several books on filet to scan and they are all very interesting. There are even 
pattern sheets to go with three of them.
They won't appear on the site for a little while yet--I'm still in the middle of 
scanning and proofing. Then the scans get sent to the Professor for his corrections, 
so it will be a few weeks before you see them.  
But keep an eye out: they'll be there soon. 

Tess ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

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[lace] Re: Nikon digital Camera

[Tamara P. Duvall]

On Jan 29, 2004, at 15:51, Sue Clemenger wrote:

Could the camera software be incompatible with whatever system you're 
using to run the computer? I ran into that with mine (a Nikon 
CoolPix2500) and my computer at work.  Software installed just fine at 
home, but when I tried at work, nada. zip. nothing.
I got my CoolPix885 for Christmas '01. It used to crash my (very old) 
puter *every time* I tried to download the photos, to the point where I 
gave up on using the camera. Then, in June of '02, I got the i-Mac OSX, 
and problems have disappeared (barring an occasional "hitch")... So, I 
think Sue is right; its the Babel arising from incompatible software 
programs...

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[lace] Re: Expensive bobbin

[Tamara P. Duvall]

On Jan 29, 2004, at 15:33, Jean Nathan wrote:

I've always understood that 'a coin of the realm' refers to coins 
which are
currently legal tender and that it's only illegal to deface these.
I wonder if it also makes a difference when the "coin of the realm" is 
defaced in another country :)  When I went to Israel, in 1966, 
everybody there kept telling me that my name (Tamar-a) meant "a 
date-palm tree"...  One of the coins then in circulation there, had a 
palm tree on the obverse; I took 6 of them back to Poland with me, and 
had a bracelet made, with the coins -- a hole drilled through each -- 
serving as "charms", hanging off the chain links. Whenever I wore it, 
someone was sure to mention that I wasn't *supposed to* but, as no 
Israeli authorities came breathing fire... :)

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[lace] Re: Kiki Smith/modern art/lace

[Tamara P. Duvall]

On Jan 28, 2004, at 14:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Devon) wrote:

Over the weekend I saw some works by Kiki Smith at the
Museum of Modern Art in which she used a collection of lace doilies 
owned by
the famous American sculptor Louise Nevelson to make prints that are 
"inspired
by their cultural association with feminine crafts". I was quite 
interested to
see lace being used in art by a dynamic modern American artist of Kiki
Smith's stature.
I don't know who Kiki Smith is/might be. I don't know what kind of art 
she produces. Most importantly, I have *no idea* what kind of *lace* 
was involved in those "doilies"...

But. There was, once (10 yrs ago?), an exhibition of a single artist's 
(whose name I do not remember, lucky her ) works here in Lexington 
(at the Washington and Lee University). I went to see it because, in 
the review, tantalising words like "quilts" and "lace" were 
mentioned... The "quilts" were all hand-made paper, and some were quite 
lovely/interesting (particularly the ones with line drawings of African 
idols in motion -- fascinating). One of them though, was also of paper, 
but with *fabric* lace doilies stuck in every square, and edged with 
(fabric) lace. Lace edged a couple of other paper "quilts" also... Most 
of the lace wasn't of especially impressive quality, and the few 
hand-made pieces weren't of museum quality either, but all was -- or 
had been -- in good shape, before it was used to "enhance" a piece of 
paper "art" ...

I was revolted :)

Perhaps it *is* art, and perhaps it is the only way lace is likely to 
be used nowadays... But I'm not so sure that I like to see lace "made 
available" to the public in that way; even if it's a matter of choice: 
"this way, or not at all"...

A lot of lace -- some good and some not so good - has been sacrificed 
to "modern use". Bits have been snipped off to dress dolls. Bits have 
been pressed into pottery and burnt.

Early in my "lacemaking career", I was approached by a 
metalsmith/amateur jeweler; the fashion for replicating nature in gold 
and silver (by plating tree leaves, usually) was *the* "thing" for 
brooches and pendants... The guy developed a new "wrinkle" to the 
process and, having used up all the lace from his wife's grandmother's 
stash, wanted me to make more lace for him to plate. Thankfully, all 
the lace I was making at that time was far too coarse for him to even 
consider (it would have taken too much precious metal to cover). At the 
time, I was to un-clued to say of what quality the lace he'd already 
destroyed might have been; all I could say was that it was *much finer* 
than anything I envisioned ever making myself :) So we never "shook" on 
the deal (he was also apalled to hear that, even in the coarse thread, 
it took me close to an hour to produce a square inch; his "offer" -- 
provided that I scaled down and used much finer threads -- was 50cents 
for a 1"x2" piece)

12 yrs later, I *still* have not resolved -- *to my own satisfaction* 
-- the basic question: is it better (lace-wise) to admit that lace is a 
thing of the past, and that, *any* way it can be made "palatable" to 
the present day public is a "good thing"... Or is it better to stick to 
your principles and die un-seen and un-sung?

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[lace] Re: Lacis fans

[Tamara P. Duvall]

On Jan 29, 2004, at 2:07, Avital Pinnick wrote:

Avital,
who has several abandoned lacis projects. If only making the base net 
wasn't so boring!
 I took a 3-hr class on "netting" at the IOLI Convention in 
Bethesda ('99)... I didn't find it *boring*; I found it *imposssible* 
:) I couldn't get a single square "squared"; they were "all over the 
place" as far as tension went...  :)

Of course, the class was ill-designed; 15 (3 more than the teacher 
agreed to take on, but the second class was undersubscribed, so...) 
BL-ers in a classroom too small for the teacher to move around in was 
not the best of the environments. And the teacher herself had no idea 
how to cope with so many, totally clue-less, people; in the end, she 
left my end of the classroom to our own devices entirely, and we spent 
most of the time just socialising, since we couldn't make much 
progress.

That was the last time I ever contemplated taking a 3hr, "easy", class 
at the Convention... Although, at the same time, I took one from Louise 
Colgan (on identifying the right threads for a BL project) and *that* 
one was superb, I I think it was due to *Colgan's* attention to the 
most minute detail; in general, I think, a 3-hr "taster" class is just 
not enough for learning anything other than a side-bar to the "tools" 
you already have. Certainly not enough to start learning something 
"from scratch"...

Betty Ann was in the same class; I remember we agreed *not* to fill the 
teacher evaluation forms -- by far the kindest response either one of 
us could take... :)  Perhaps having to fill in a step-by-step 
application form (required by the the current organizing committee) 
isn't such a silly idea afterall; that same class, spread over 12 hrs, 
might have worked, even with an overcrowded class and a "fish out of 
water" teacher...

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Re: [lace] expensive bobbin

[LeAnn Smith]

Probably true, but from a coin collector's point of view, still
collectible.

There are groups of collectors that specialize in love tokens, hobo
tokens and other "defaced" coins that have been turned into remembrances
or artwork.

I highly doubt that this kind of work is ever prosecuted unless there's
an intent to defraud - it just ceases to be valid currency.  There are
companies that make all kinds of money (no pun intended) here in the US
by "coloring" coins with enamel coatings.  They advertise nationally and
no one seems to fuss.

I think the main factor for me on this bobbin, while it's pretty and the
story interesting, is that there's no provenance to back it up.

For lace content:
Three weeks ago the Willamette Valley in Oregon got more snow than I've
seen in years and years, followed immediately by days of freezing rain.
 Five inches of snow in my yard topped by more than an inch of ice.
Believe me - we're classified as "temperate rainforest" - this is very
unusual.  (Even more unusual in that there are still small piles of
unmelted snow lingering here and there today - our snow usually lasts
three days, at most.)

Anyway.  I work for a school district and we ended up being closed for
four days, six if you count the following weekend.  We were completely
housebound for the first four days - it was so slick that walking to the
mailbox was a major hazard.  I have no children to keep entertained, thus
no cabin fever.  I finished my Bucks bookmark (the one in the Stott book;
ongoing for 5 months), started an edging for the Lace Census project, and
started a new knitted lace jabot (as well as getting in tons of reading,
closet cleaning, jigsaw puzzles, and more knitting; DH is also
self-maintaining ).  I'm starting to daydream of retirement - there's
so much to learn and I'll be so productive once I'm not working.  

I think my Bucks is starting to stick - I'm "seeing" where the threads
should go and not using the diagrams so much.  Now if I can just keep the
momentum up. I'm thinking of doing the same bookmark a second time for a
retirement gift.  It should go much faster this time.

Jeri: I read your story about carving out time for crafts with interest.
 While I couldn't do what you did (I'm *not* a morning person), I find
that I stay up late at night to get that same chunk of creative time.
 I'm probably not as chipper in the mornings as I should be but that's on
company time, not mine.  I find if I don't lace, knit, or stitch for at
least a few minutes every evening, I don't get that "zen" time I need to
sleep well.  My knitting goes everywhere with me, so I can get in a few
more minutes here and there.  DH knows that if I'm sitting down and not
working on anything that I'm too tired to function and he bundles me off
to bed.

LeAnn in Aloha, Oregon - where we're back to rain again.

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From: "Carol Adkinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Subject: Re: [lace] expensive bobbin

I think the coin as a coin would be worthless as it has been soothed down
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and not only that, it is illegal in the UK - and for all I know, in most
other countries too - to 'deface a coin of the realm' - so it probably
not a
good idea to do that to currency!

Carol - in snowy and jolly cold Suffolk.


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[lace] Re: lace-digest V2004 #39

[LACEELAIN]

In a message dated 1/28/2004 8:27:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> The above is the American version of the earlier book by Heather Toomer: 
>  "Lace - Guide to Identification of Old Lace", Batsford, 1989, ISBN 0-7134-
> 5701-5, 
>  $48 when new in the U.S.
Actually, the new book is very different.  The old book suffered from bad 
photography and the new one has wonderful pictures.  I do recommend it to anyone 
who would like a book that treats identification. I find this one is quite 
solid.
I met with Heather when I was in London last summer and she shared some lace 
with me that had featured animals.  She has an extensive personal collection.

Elaine Merritt
The Lace Museum
552 South Murphy Avenue
Sunnyvale, CA 94086
tel. (408) 730 4695

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[lace] Re: The Lace Museum

[LACEELAIN]

Jeri writes:

> That is why, when I wrote about our need of a lace and embroidery museum in 
>  America last year, I said something about it needing to be independent of 
an 
>  existing historic house, museum, school, government facility, etc.

Please don't forget the Lace Museum in Sunnyvale, CA.  I know we are small, 
but we are certainly independent.  
We have a wonderful collection, and while only a very small part of it can be 
on display at a time, we do change the display 4 times a year, and will bring 
out special items to those specialists who ask about our lace and arrange a 
visit in advance.
The  Christmas display which will close at the end of this month features the 
excellent doll collection owned by the Museum. Most of the have lace trimmed 
costumes, and two are large enough to wear beautiful Christening robes from 
the Museum collection.  Our next display will be of doilies of all types.  
Arachne visitors are especially welcome.  Just send Paula Harten or myself an 
email to set a date.
The Museum is open Tuesday through Saturday from 11 to 4.
Elaine Merritt
The Lace Museum
552 South Murphy Avenue
Sunnyvale, CA 94086
tel. (408) 730 4695

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[lace] Re: bequests

[LACEELAIN]

In a message dated 1/28/2004 8:27:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> I am pleased that IOLI has received another very lovely antique lace 
>  collection, and hope it fares well under present more tightly-organized 
> direction.  
>  (It always depends on whom is in charge, doesn't it?)  
>  
>  The explanations I received about the earlier collection were so 
confusing, 
>  that any thoughts I might have had to donate laces to IOLI evaporated.  I 
am 
> 
>  now taking steps to instruct the executor of my estate to just send my 
>  collection plus a substantial cash donation to a secure facility of my 
> choosing in 
>  Europe, or (if that becomes too  cumbersome) to auction the collection.  
>  
>  This is NOT what I hoped for, but alternatives are not to my liking.  
Others 
> 
>  before me have envisioned a substantial museum research facility devoted 
to 
>  lace and embroidery in the U.S., but they received inadequate interest and 
>  support, also.
>  
>  My plans are solidifying.  I learned there was more interest in such a 
>  facility coming from Arachnes overseas, than from within the U.S.  People 
in 
> other 
>  nations realized the U.S. is a melting pot, and that bringing together 
laces 
> 
>  and embroideries from all nations would prove to be a wonderful and 
> efficient 
>  way to help scholars study this aspect of what is mostly women's history.  
> Much 
>  could be done with a centralized data facility, and there could also be 
>  galleries, classrooms, a library, conservation lab, etc.
>  
>  Jeri Ames in Maine USA
>  Lace and Embroidery Resource Center
Dear Jeri,

Might you consider helping us?   I assure you that we are hard working and 
very responsible.  What we lack is adequate money for our own facility.  ( we 
rent our current location)
We now have about $25,000 in our building fund.  But of course, that's not 
nearly enough.  However, it grows slowly, year by year. I believe that our 
current president will be at IOLI and if you are going to be there, I am sure she 
would be very appreciative of any time you might have to spend with her.
All best wishes,
Elaine

Elaine Merritt
The Lace Museum
552 South Murphy Avenue
Sunnyvale, CA 94086
tel. (408) 730 4695

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[lace] get to the list

[Laura Oppedisano]

Dear Spiders,
 Since I have changed to msn.com I have written to the list a few times but my
notes have not appeared so I am trying this address.  Here is hoping it
works.
Regards,
 Laura in New Jersey
we got 12" of snow yesterday

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[lace] collecting

[Merlene]

Robin P. wrote - Now we are back to this summer's IOLI
convention, where there will be classes on lace identification.  Thank the
organizers for trying to provide the sort of outreach that might have a
chance to spur the "market" in lace.  If the market needs people who feel
educated enough to be willing to buy, then here is the chance to get them
that education.

The classes are great, but who are we reaching?  People who at least know what
handmade lace is.  The ones we really need to reach are the people with the
means
to collect lace, i.e., the "well off" public.  And therein lies the problem.
How can we inform
the public about the convention, and get them to attend a Lace ID class?  I am
talking
about on a greater scale than has been done in the past.  The whole structure
of the convention and the guidelines is such that the public is given very
little chance to attend, or
take a class, and time in the sales room, as well as the display room is
limited. Besides being almost required to join IOLI just to get into a class.
If we accomplish this then as a bonus I see the membership growing and younger
people joining.
Without the big bucks for advertising I do not see it happening.


Merlene
Ad Astera Per Aspera
(To the Stars Through Trials)

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[lace] Lacis

[Adele Shaak]

The various names I've seen are: lacis, filet lacis, guipure d'art.  I 
have
the impression that the words "filet" refers to a square mesh (since 
it is
also used to describe the form of crochet which imitates true filet 
lacis.
I agree that you will see filet and lacis referring to the same thing - 
lace made by darning designs into square net. I think historically this 
descended from a drawn thread work technique that looks very similar, 
and I wonder if the term has ever also applied to that.

Interestingly, in French the verb "filet" actually means to spin 
flax(!) and the noun "filet" means a very thin thread.

The word "guipure" in lacemaking usually refers to a lace, either 
needle or
bobbin, which has a ground made of bars (buttonholed, braided or purl 
pin
bars) as opposed to a mesh made of one or two threads.  Why or how 
that word
"guipure" has been applied to filet lacis is a mystery to me.
In my French dictionary the word "guipure" means pillow lace or point 
lace (aka bobbin lace with point ground). Period. That makes sense to 
me because I have seen the word "guipure" used to refer to a variety of 
bobbin laces, from Cluny to Chantilly and everything in between. I have 
not heard of it being restricted to lace with barred ground. I have 
heard that the word refers to a type of design, rather than a method of 
making. However, I think all these different things we hear just mean 
that nobody really knew for sure, they were all trying to figure out 
what it meant because they heard it used in so many ways.

In English, the Concise Oxford dictionary says "guipure" is a "heavy 
lace of linen pieces joined by embroidery". So I think it has referred 
to different lace techniques at different times.

Hope this helps

By the way, kudos to anyone brave enough to teach lacis. I've seen the 
making of the ground treated a number of different ways, from the 
traditional net-making stitch (incredibly boring and yes, I've done it) 
to laying threads across a card in one direction and then knotting them 
in another direction, which appeared in Piecework some years ago - and 
I found this method absolutely impossible to do evenly. You have to go 
through so much tedium just to get the ground that IMHO the fun part - 
darning in the design - almost isn't worth it. I would love to find 
100% cotton premade square knotted net at 6 mesh/inch - I know it's 
available somewhere in the world (Australia, possibly) but I don't like 
to buy anything so expensive without seeing it first, so I've never 
ordered any.

Adele
North Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)
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[lace] Lacis/filet

[Jane Viking Swanson]

Hi All,  I believe you only have to know how to make a lace to teach
it ; )  History is icing on the cake.

I was just wondering about guipure myself so I'm glad it came up.  Kurella's
"Guide to Lace & Linens" says the most common definition is lace with a
background that does *not* have net (or reseau as Earnshaw says).  So that's
why Carrickmacross guipure has the net cut out.  I hope I can remember that!
Guipure d'art sounds like a name they might have made up around 1900.  In
the US at that time they made up a lot of names for laces that are rather
confusing today.

Jane in Vermont, USA who watched a few minutes of golf on TV, they're in
Arizona and there is green grass and people are outside in t-shirts and
shorts!
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Re: [lace] Nikon digital Camera

[Sue Clemenger]

Could the camera software be incompatible with whatever system you're 
using to run the computer? I ran into that with mine (a Nikon 
CoolPix2500) and my computer at work.  Software installed just fine at 
home, but when I tried at work, nada. zip. nothing.  I'd wanted it on my 
work computer as well, since I've got access there to things like a cd 
burner and a zip drive, and found myself really frustrated that the 
install wouldn't work.
Turns out that my camera software needs to interface with something that 
will support USB ports (think that's the right term), and wouldn't you 
know it, but my computer at work uses WindowsNT, which does NOT support 
that port.
So maybe it's something like that with you guys?
Good luck
sue, going back to lurkdom

Jean Peach wrote:
I am wondering if anyone on Arachne has a Nikon 5700
digital camera.  I have had mine some time, one problem
we have had is that every time my DH downloads the Nikon
software onto his computer, the computer crashes.  So
he decided to use Paint Shop Pro  that is fine, but what
we need to do is sort out the many photos that we have 
on the hard drive that came with the camera, this can't be
done on Paint Shop Pro.  As DH has had to rebuild his 
computer we are scared to even download the Nikon software 
onto my lap top.  We would appreciate advise on this
problem.

Jean  

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[lace] Expensive bobbin

[Jean Nathan]

Carol wrote:



I've always understood that 'a coin of the realm' refers to coins which are
currently legal tender and that it's only illegal to deface these. As the
coin on the bobbin is a shilling and no longer legal tender I think it's OK
to do what they've done.

I've just acquired several farthings and silver threepenny pieces with the
aim of drilling holes in them to use as spangles.

Jean in Poole

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[lace] Nikon digital Camera

[Jean Peach]

I am wondering if anyone on Arachne has a Nikon 5700
digital camera.  I have had mine some time, one problem
we have had is that every time my DH downloads the Nikon
software onto his computer, the computer crashes.  So
he decided to use Paint Shop Pro  that is fine, but what
we need to do is sort out the many photos that we have 
on the hard drive that came with the camera, this can't be
done on Paint Shop Pro.  As DH has had to rebuild his 
computer we are scared to even download the Nikon software 
onto my lap top.  We would appreciate advise on this
problem.

Jean  

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Re: [lace] expensive bobbin

[Carol Adkinson]

I think the coin as a coin would be worthless as it has been soothed down -
and not only that, it is illegal in the UK - and for all I know, in most
other countries too - to 'deface a coin of the realm' - so it probably not a
good idea to do that to currency!

Carol - in snowy and jolly cold Suffolk.

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[lace] filet lacis

[Lorelei Halley]

Karen
As far as I know there are several words used to describe the kind of lace
you are talking about: a lace with a square mesh, knotted in the corners.
The various names I've seen are: lacis, filet lacis, guipure d'art.  I have
the impression that the words "filet" refers to a square mesh (since it is
also used to describe the form of crochet which imitates true filet lacis.
The word "guipure" in lacemaking usually refers to a lace, either needle or
bobbin, which has a ground made of bars (buttonholed, braided or purl pin
bars) as opposed to a mesh made of one or two threads.  Why or how that word
"guipure" has been applied to filet lacis is a mystery to me.

I'm glad to hear that someone is actually teaching this form of lace.  It
has always interested me (even though I haven't made any).  I've seen a
number of pieces in private collections and they show a surprising amount of
variety in design, stitches used, scale, and even threads.  I've seen at
least one piece worked in some kind of silky shiny thread with a texture
like rayon embroidery thread.  I've seen very fine scale pieces made into
dress fronts.  I've seen edgings which use only darning stitch.  I've even
seen round pieces where the basic ground mesh was worked in a circle.
Lorelei

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Re: [lace] Lacis/Filet - additional books & patterns mystery

[Jeriames]

In a message dated 1/29/04 10:02:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Does anyone know what the distinction between the words 'lacis' and 'filet
> lace'.   From my understanding, they denote the same lacemaking technique.
> Is is this right?   Does anyone know where the terms came from?  In
> addition, there is the term 'guipure'.  I'm assuming that it is a french
> word, but what does it mean.  From what I've been able to study, 'guipure'
> is used in filet lace technique when stitches other than the linen stitch
> (point de toille) and the darning stitch (can't remember the french words)
> are used.
> 
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Dear Lacemakers,

Are not teachers are not required to know the history of the techniques they 
teach? 

I would recommend the book "Lacis (Filet Brode)" by Carita, published in 1909 
by Sampson Low, Marston & Co. Ltd., London as being the best I've seen 
to-date in terms of traditional History and Instruction in the English language.  
There is also a nice section on Flax.

This book was scanned by Tess, and I believe it is on one of the CD's of 
out-of-copyright/out-of-print books so everyone can have easy and inexpensive 
access to it.

There is another book to mention:   "The Technique of Filet Lace" by Pauline 
Knight, published in 1980 by Batsford.  It can be borrowed from the IOLI 
library, which lists a second entry beside her name for "Filet Lace Patterns".

There are also DMC books, which have been reissued by publishers who do that 
sort of thing, like Lacis (the business).

Lacis/Filet was/is made throughout Europe, and is known by several names 
(depending on language).  I remember standing breathless before a magnificent 
ancient example in a museum in the center of Zurich.  That was 25 years ago, but 
it might as well have been yesterday.  Makes me glow, just to remember.  It 
seems to me that much of the Lacis/Filet made today pales in comparison.  Perhaps 
it is because the finer threads are not available.

Recently, I was given a large old scrapbook of filet lace patterns collected 
by an elderly woman in Hungary, and gifted to a friend of mine 50 years ago.  
Tess and I have to determine if the contents are out-of-copyright, as it would 
be interesting for the CD project.  None of the patterns are dated.  Many 
carry a label "Reclam-Filet, Copyright by Amberg".  If anyone recognizes this - 
please write to me, off the list.

Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center

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[lace] collecting

[Lorelei Halley]

Devon
Thank you for your very interesting report on lace collections and display
from the museum's point of view.  Our membership needs to be aware of this.
Lorelei

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[lace] Re: Blue Tissue, Ivory Flakes, & Milk for Lace Care

[Jeriames]

In a message dated 1/27/04 2:23:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> I have the book “A Manual of Lace” by Jeanette E Pethebridge, published
in
> 1947 by Cassell & Co. Ltd.  I was lucky enough to buy this from a second
> hand
> bookshop for £5.Then right at the back of the book is Care and
> Restoration of Lace
>
> PIECES OF VALUABLE LACE should always be kept *folded in blue paper* when
> not in use as this helps to preserve the colour.
>  When lace becomes soiled it can be washed quite successfully.  If very
> fragile, wind the lace onto a tall thin bottle, which should be filled with
> sand to weight it.  Have ready a larger bottle with a wide neck; the kind
in
> which confectioners keep sweets does quite well.  Lay lace on muslin, wrap
> round bottle, tack outer layer of muslin to keep in place.  Fill the large
> bottle with soft water and immerse the small bottle to cover the muslin.
> Leave for a day.  If the lace is very soiled change the water and leave
> again.  **Fill the large bottle with suds made with pure flaked soap and a
> little milk.**
--
Dear Lacemakers,

Jean provided the above information, and because we have new members on
Arachne all the time, it might be good to remind them that textile
conservation
techniques have changed since this book was published in 1947, and old
instructions are NOT the best ones to use.  Museum science has come a long
way.

*About blue tissue paper:  The first reason not to use blue tissue paper is
that if it becomes damp or wet, the blue dye may run into your stored laces.
There is no guarantee it can be washed out!  The second concern is that the
paper may have been made from wood pulp and that means it will act the same
way
white tissue paper from wood pulp does.  The paper, whether blue or white,
gradually develops a tanish appearance if made from wood pulp.  That is a
visual
sign of acidic off-gasing.  Lace stored in this tissue will turn tan-to-brown.
The effects of acid burn from wood are permanent.  Further, the laces often
become brittle and crumble into pieces.

**About Ivory Flakes:  Not specifically addressed above by product name, but
something our younger lace makers should know.  If my aged brain remembers
correctly, during and following the Vietnam War some not-so-nice people used
Ivory Flakes as one of the ingredients to make a home-brewed form of Napalm.
This
is a very dangerous substance.  I looked up Ivory Flakes on Google, and found
that the product was discontinued in 1978.

**We do NOT use milk.  It has been found that if you put away a christening
dress on which milk was spilled, permanent brown spots will eventually appear.
Therefore, to even use it in diluted form does not seem wise.  Further, milk
is now  processed in many ways compared to 1947.

Today, we use the soap product called Orvus, produced by Procter & Gamble, to
wash heirloom textiles, including lace.

If you need to learn about washing lace, I believe my instructions are still
on the Honiton Lace Shop's website:

http://www.honitonlace.com/shop/cleaning2.htm

Since specific instructions for washing lace are practically non-existent, it
would be of value for you to copy the information for use in the future.

Jeri Ames in Maine USA

Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - where it is believed the history of
women as reflected in their lace and embroidery creations should be
preserved!

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[lace] Lacis/Filet lace

[kbovard]

Does anyone know what the distinction between the words 'lacis' and 'filet
lace'.   From my understanding, they denote the same lacemaking technique.
Is is this right?   Does anyone know where the terms came from?  In
addition, there is the term 'guipure'.  I'm assuming that it is a french
word, but what does it mean.  From what I've been able to study, 'guipure'
is used in filet lace technique when stitches other than the linen stitch
(point de toille) and the darning stitch (can't remember the french words)
are used.

I am teaching classes in this technique for the Stitching Festival Shows
around the country.  The Stitching Festival used to be know as the
Creative Arts and Textiles Show (CATS) up to this year.

Although, filet lace is an ancient form of lacemaking (some references
I've read point to it as the 'first' lace), there really is little written
about it.  If you are interested at all in learning filet lace, there is a
wonderful opportunity now to do so (I not talking about my classes).  Go
to the following website:

http://hometown.aol.com/filetlace/myhomepage/personal.html
  or
www.filetlace.net

Marie Jo is having the net made for her and is selling it for what I
consider a very reasonable price considering how much time it would take
to hand make the net for yourself (which was the only other option up to
Maries offering the net commercially).  In addition, she just came out
with a new book on how to work the lace.   The basic stitch is simple to
do, the real trick/technique to working filet lace is knowing how to work
a motif from start to end, finishing it as you go, charting your working
path through a pattern and so on.  Otherwise, you can use any filet
crochet pattern or monochrome cross stitches patterns as patterns for
filet lace.

For details about The Stitching Festival go to:   www.stitchingfestival.com

Karen Bovard  (The ShuttleSmith)   [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Omaha, NE

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[lace] Luton Lace Dealers Book on Ebay

[Eve Morton]

Hello,

Delurking briefly, while browsing I came across the Luton book.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2375876926

or search for item number: 2375876926

Eve
London, UK.

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[lace] Re: lace collecting

[Brenda Paternoster]

On 29 Jan 2004, at 04:24, Jeri Aimes wrote:

Last Summer, some of the mystery of the missing laces was explained 
when a
current officer told me there was a connection between the missing lace
collection and a booklet to the memory of E. Lolita Eveleth, "Chart 
for Lace
Identification and the Meshes of Handmade Lace"  that was published by 
IOLI.  I cannot
say I was pleased with what I understood about that transaction.  
Because it
was so unbelievable, I'll not repeat it.  Just a bit of advice - be 
very clear
in your Will as to what you want done with your collections!

I have one of those booklets.  I purchased it from the English lace 
School (when they were at Tiverton, Devon) about 20 years ago.

Inside the font cover it says:
"BRITTA DOROTHY JEPPSON, consultant and recipient of the E. Lolita 
Eveleth Collection is by bequest of Miss Eveleth, is herself an honored 
and noted authority, researcher and collector of antique laces.  Miss 
Jeppson presents on the following pages informative charts for the 
iidentification of laces assembled from the notes of Miss Eveleth.  
many of the identifying illustrations are from the E. Lolita Eveleth 
Collection"
"(C) Britta Dorothy Jeppson 1974"

Inside the back cover is the International Old Lacers Logo with the 
words"
"an (logo) publication
1P.450.774
2P.1500.1079"

I don't know anything about the background history of the booklet other 
than what is printed in it, but I can tell you that excluding the cover 
it's got 28 pages, 8.5" x 11", printed throughout dark blue on white.  
The first part is pictures of all types of lace with with a chart 
showing name, place, period, material, ground, fillings, design 
character, outline and remarks.

The last few pages are large scale examples of the different grounds 
which look to have been specially worked for identification purposes.  
They are printed sideways on which had me rather puzzled until I 
realised what they had done!

In general, there are some very good, clear pictures of the laces, 
showing the individual threads in many cases, though I can't say that 
I'm terribly impressed by the (spreadsheet type) charts; lots of gaps 
and one ID which I reckon is suspect (No 5 "Blonde" which I think is 
machine made!).

Brenda
http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/
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Re: [lace] Lacis fans

[Spud Islander]

Thank you Avital for pointing out this interesting site.  I think we should
add, however, that Marie-Jo now lives in Florida and the shipping and costs
will be in USD -  therefore the price may not be what one would originally
think. :-)

Nova (on Vanc. Island, B.C.)

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From: "Avital Pinnick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Lacis fans, this might interest you since there is so little information
available apart from Dover books and Rita Bartholomew's site.
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/filetlace/myhomepage/personal.html
>
> I found Marie-Jo Quinault's site by following links in an eBay auction.
She's a Quebecoise and her site is in English and French.

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[lace] Lacis fans

[Avital Pinnick]

Lacis fans, this might interest you since there is so little information available 
apart from Dover books and Rita Bartholomew's site.

http://hometown.aol.com/filetlace/myhomepage/personal.html

I found Marie-Jo Quinault's site by following links in an eBay auction. She's a 
Quebecoise and her site is in English and French.

On her links page she posts the URL to Olga Yakunina's site (it's a Russian site but 
is in English). There are some interesting filet lace costumes, although it's 
difficult to see details.

Avital, 
who has several abandoned lacis projects. If only making the base net wasn't so boring!

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