[lace] Xmas mail

2004-10-26 Thread Helene Gannac
Tamara wrote:
(or seems to; the older generation tends to put the return 
address at the back of the envelope, rather than in the upper left 
corner of the front, and the PO doesn't seem to bother to check for 
that)...

I think putting the return address on the front is an American habit, I've
never seen anyone do that in France or in Australia, apart from companies
who have printed envelopes and usually a if cannot be delivered, return
to sender request.
Personally, I never have room to put my own address on the front of an
envelope, what with airmail stickers and lots of exotic stamps which I
always use instead of those rubbishy printed stickers from the P.O. Fancy
encouraging people to collect stamps on one hand, and making it so easy
for them *not* to use them on the other! Cutting their own throat, I
think!
Anyway, I would be extremely mad if I ever found out that any P.O. chucks
my letters out wihtout bothering to turn them over to check if I've put
the sender's address on. This is really taking the the only way to do
something is to do it the way we do it so we will ignore everything else
attitude.
It's going to be interesting to see how the Xmas mail moves this year! I
usually send about 80 letters and calendars overseas, and 30 in Australia.
Costs me a fortune, but it's the only way to keep in touch with some
people I seldom see. Don't say, you can phone them for less, I hate
using the telephone, and neve would use it instead of a Xmas letter!

Helene, the froggy from Melbourne


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Re: [lace] digital cameras- against

2004-10-26 Thread Avital
Hmmm. That sounds like someone who never got comfortable with a
digital camera or who tried one when they first came out and were more
temperamental. My $200 Olympus takes very good pictures and I am
delighted with it. I took it to Paris when my company sent me there
for 48 hours. I took 78 shots without worrying about running out of
film (I have a card large enough for 500 photos) and I can get better
quality shots on it than on my Canon 35 mm camera because it has more
settings. My FIL, formerly a hobby photographer who used to shoot
weddings for extra money, traded in his entire high-end camera outfit
(expensive large 35 mm single-reflex plus all the lenses) for a
digital camera and he is extremely happy.

I'm glad that I don't have expensive printing costs and bags of
negatives all over the house. I can upload all my photos to the Web
for relatives abroad to order their own prints and I can burn them to
a CD for storage.

Because of the preview function, I can tell fairly quickly whether I
got a shot properly framed or not and I can delete the bad shot on the
spot, instead of having to pay for printing an entire roll.

I use both a small 35 mm and a digital camera and I have to say that I
get more use out of the digital camera. The only thing I have to
remember to do is to recharge the batteries if I'm going to take it
out the next day.

For prints I have not noticed any difference in printing quality
between a digital and a regular film camera. Of course, you have to
make sure that the resolution is set high enough for the digital
camera, but that's not a setting I change very often anyway.

I like being able to alter my shots with Photoshop. A couple times
I've gotten some good shots of my son but the background is a little
too dark or there is something intruding in a corner. With Photoshop I
can crop extraneous details and change the colour values of the
pictures.

I use my digital camera for photographing lace and textiles because it
can take better closeups (to 7) than my regular camera and because I
can see right away whether the shot turned out.

Another plus is that it's instant gratification. I am *terrible* about
remembering to take pictures with my regular camera. I once had two of
my son's birthday parties on a single roll of film! With a digital
camera I can take the picture and immediately upload it to the
computer or print it. My son likes to make K'nex models but hates to
take them apart. We made a deal: I photograph him with every one of
his models, put it on the computer as wallpaper or a screen saver, and
he takes apart the model. I could never afford to do that with regular
film.

Different strokes for different folks--I love my digital camera. 

Avital


On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:01:23 +1000 (EST), Helene Gannac
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 Dot wrote:
 I know there was a long discussion on digital cameras a while ago, when
 the possibility of my aquiring one was nil. I am now in the market for one
 and would like to ask who ever posted at that time to forward their very
 interesting articles to me.
 
 Hello, Dot,
 
 like you, I've been thinking about a digital camera, and after seing the
 beautiful prints of lace exhibits from our Adelaide exhibition, taken by
 one of our Committee members who also owns a camera shop, I asked her
 which digital camera she used to get so close to the lace. Her answer was:
 Unless I had about 10,000 dollars to spare, I wouldn't touch a digital
 camera with a barge-pole! They are dreadful, and only give you very
 mediocre results. If you want to send your photos through the Internet,
 get your films done on CD as well as printed, and you will have much
 better photos. So I'm listening to her and sticking to my 35 single
 lens!!
 
 Helene, the froggy from Melbourne


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Re: [lace] digital cameras- against

2004-10-26 Thread Ruth Budge
Oh Helene, I have to disagree here!   Whilst I think there is a place for both
types of cameras, I find that my digital does an absolutely fantastic job.   I
bought an Olympus 3.2 megapixel, with (for photographing closeups of lace) a
x10 zoom lens.. Previously I had a very good, top of the range Pentax - and the
digital does a MUCH better job!!

I'll email you privately with just one of my photos from the exhibition to show
you what can be done by just setting it on auto and pointing it in the
general direction of the subject and clicking.

The other thing I like about the digital camera is the freedom to try a shot -
and if you don't like it, you can just delete it from the memory card.  I no
longer have to carry rolls of film with me...a tiny card about the same size as
the SIM card in the mobile phone stores *hundreds* of photos, which in turn can
either be printed, or downloaded onto the computer to use as screen savers, and
then the card can be reused again.   

In Adelaide, all the photographic equipment I needed was in one small bag about
5 x 2 - and the photographs are wonderful!!!

Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia)

Helene Gannac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Dot wrote:
I know there was a long discussion on digital cameras a while ago, when 
the possibility of my aquiring one was nil. I am now in the market for one
and would like to ask who ever posted at that time to forward their very
interesting articles to me.

Hello, Dot,

like you, I've been thinking about a digital camera, and after seing the
beautiful prints of lace exhibits from our Adelaide exhibition, taken by
one of our Committee members who also owns a camera shop, I asked her
which digital camera she used to get so close to the lace. Her answer was:
Unless I had about 10,000 dollars to spare, I wouldn't touch a digital
camera with a barge-pole! They are dreadful, and only give you very
mediocre results. If you want to send your photos through the Internet,
get your films done on CD as well as printed, and you will have much
better photos. So I'm listening to her and sticking to my 35 single
lens!!

Helene, the froggy from Melbourne


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[lace] digital cameras - for

2004-10-26 Thread Brian Lemin
I have a low end digital camera that does all I want it to do BUT, IMHO the 
answer is in the software manipulation of the images.

It is just amazing what you can do with a good graphic package, even free 
ones ( The Gimp)

Sure they do take a farley steep learning curve, but then on the results are 
great.

Brian and Jean from Cooranbong Australia 

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[lace] digital cameras- for

2004-10-26 Thread Laceandbits
I wouldn't touch a digital camera with a barge-pole! They are dreadful, and 
only give you very mediocre results.

Sorry, I have to disagree with your Committee member.  I have a Canon digi 
(not bottom of the range by any means but nothing even approaching 10,000 
dollars!)  and if you are interested I can send you a couple of photos I have taken 
of my lace.  No flash, no tripod, just quick photos to be able to show 
students work in progress.  And not only are the full frame photos excellent, they 
are still crystal clear if I zoom in on details.

Yes I did get excellent photos with my Olympus SLR, but I also got a lot of 
not quite clear enough for lace purposes and one of the main benefits your 
advisor has omitted is that I can immediately see my photo, take more if it's not 
good enough (if I need to, which I don't usually), and only have the expense 
of printing those I need in photo format.   And I have it immediately, not when 
I've finished the film and had it developed. 

With the cost of film and developing here in England, this has meant I have 
been able to take far more photos in the last 18 months than ever before and 
even just counting the films I would have used I have a big chunk towards the 
cost of my camera (which is now a lot cheaper anyway than it was then).

Another reason I love it (which was not a factor I had thought of when I 
bought it) is that because of the pull-out multi position screen, I can be very 
discreet when taking photos.  No obvious camera-in-front-of-my-face.  This has 
meant I have been able to get shots of my grandchildren which would have been 
impossible otherwise as they don't pose and/or hide.   And I can take high and 
low level photos without having to perform gymnastics.

Finally in this quick review of why I'm glad I jumped in and bought a digi is 
that in a once in a lifetime situation I can be sure of having good photos 
(having lost my photo opportunity at my first grandson's Christening because the 
film wasn't in the camera properly, duh). 

taken by one of our Committee members who also owns a camera shop

I know I might be suspicious, but there is a lot in the media here about 
Kodak having to close down factories due to lack of demand for film etc.  The same 
will possibly apply to the owner of a camera shop.  Once you have bought a 
digital camera you won't need to buy anything else from the shop unless you want 
to upgrade at some unspecified time in the future.  

Jacquie

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Re: [lace] digital cameras- against

2004-10-26 Thread Ilske Thomsen
Hello Lacefriend,
It is always difficult to say this or that camera is the right for you. 
First you must find out what you personally want, a very small one, or 
the best what belongs technical data-which of them are the most 
important for me, could it be expensive or better not and so on.
I first wanted one with the highest Pixel-value and found out that a 
certain Canon has all I was looking for. The man in the shop said ok 
but  why  do you want a big one, when you can get a smaller with the 
same luxury? And he showed me the Sony Cyber-shot 5,0 Mega Pixels. It 
can do so many things I have to learn the next two years but it works 
very well and I am satisfied with its quality. And the prize wasn't  
either the highest nor the cheapest. I can recommand it to people who 
have the same wishes as I have.
What's important, I think, to buy a bigger stick and a second batterie 
so you can be  away somewhere for a longer time. But it could be that 
the stick in nearly full with carbage, that means on it are all 
possible PC-programms. So look which one you need and let put out all 
others before you go in a travel. Otherwise it will happen what 
happened to me.
Good luck finding the right digital-camera.
Greetings

Ilske
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Re: [lace] Story about The Horror

2004-10-26 Thread Sue Babbs
didn't lend her one of my good pillows and bobbins! I've only taught 2
students and both of them disappeared on me!
I recommend asking for a deposit on pillows etc which you lend to new 
pupils. Then at least you can buy replacements if you never see pupil or 
pillow again. They don't seem to be offended by the idea and get their money 
back if I get the stuff back
Sue 

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[lace] Looking for someone

2004-10-26 Thread Celtic Dream Weaver
  In Ithaca this past October in Lenka's wire class there was a woman there that I was 
talking to about making bobbins for wire lace making. My husband has made me 2 dozen 
aluminum bobbins very nicely done just for me to use with wire. I was not able to take 
Lenka's class so I will be winging it on my own. I have tatted with wire so I kinda 
know about being slow and gentle when using wire as a medium. My problem is this and 
it is why I am looking for this person and hoping she is an Arachne Lace List member. 
I am trying to find the eyes that are really small like this woman had. This woman 
gave me one of her bobbins that she turned herself. I am so bad with names that I 
don't remember her name. My husband made my bobbins using her bobbin as something to 
go by. Could this person that gave me the bobbin please contact me off list? I need to 
be able to get these eyes for my bobbins so I can start doing something in wire 
lace...which I am dying to try doing. 
  I hope you are out there somewhere...also I will show you a picture of the bobbins 
my husband made for me. They are I feel really nice. Thank you.
Sherry
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[lace] Springett bobbins?

2004-10-26 Thread Laurie Hughes
Dear Holders of all Lace Knowledge, 

I heard that Christine Springett's bobbins are going up for auction.  Did I
miss it?  Any info?

Lace in Peace, 
Laurie
--
Laurie J Hughes
Senior Research Associate
New England Research Institutes, Inc
9 Galen Street, Suite 117
Watertown, MA  02472

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[lace] Re: lace-digest V2004 #353

2004-10-26 Thread Madelin Holtkamp
Dear Bev and the list--

This was my experience exactly.  i made one rather nice little piece of
Torchon, figured out that there were better tools out there and began
searching the web, which led me to a whole new world of lace makers and
their toys.  And, of course, this very helpful list.  I do agree that
someone could do quite well with a better basic kit.  I use my old stuff as
a pricking board and gimp bobbins.

Regards--Madelin
Ukiah, CA

Although I wouldn't recommend The Kit to anyone, particularly, let's give
people who do crafts the benefit of the doubt - not everyone who tries
this kit thinking they will learn bobbin lace will necessarily be turned
off. If they have any curiosity at all about the craft they will turn to
their library for books, or the internet for links, and take it from
there. 

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[lace] THK

2004-10-26 Thread Barb ETx
I do not think they even made kits, horror or otherwise, when I started.  I
started with a magazine artlcie, a 'pillow' made of excelior** stuffed into a
sack and into which I inserted a round board...about 12 diameter.  For
thread, sewing..as were the pins. The bobbins.sewing machine bobbins wound
as directed.  I quickly abandoned those in favor of pencil stubs with elastics
wrapped around the end.and I made lace!!!
 The article mentioned Rachel Wareham and National Old Lacers.. A quick
inquiry and a wonderful answer and I was hooked.  Oh, so long ago
 Still doing it. BarbE



**excelior: also called 'wood wool' and it was used as packing for breakables
long before we had plastic peanuts!!!  Made a great pillow.  long since loaned
out and not returned!
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  Subject: [lace] Re: lace-digest V2004 #353


  Dear Bev and the list--

  This was my experience exactly.  i made one rather nice little piece of
  Torchon, figured out that there were better tools out there and began
  searching the web, which led me to a whole new world of lace makers and
  their toys.  And, of course, this very helpful list.  I do agree that
  someone could do quite well with a better basic kit.  I use my old stuff as
  a pricking board and gimp bobbins.

  Regards--Madelin
  Ukiah, CA

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RE: [lace] Re: Thread and Pricking chart

2004-10-26 Thread Viv Dewar
Here Here! (or is it Hear Hear!?)

Brenda, this is brilliant! Thank you.
Viv
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Bless ya, Brenda! :) I usually manage to puzzle my way out of  
conversion problems following your booklet, but, although I've not yet  
fully digested your addition, it seems to be the ultimate thread  
conversion for Dummies, ie exactly what's needed at least as far as  
I'm concerned. I've printed it out and will stick it in my copy of your

booklet. But I hope you'll also include this cheat sheet in the next  
edition...

---
Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd

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[lace] Postage Stamps

2004-10-26 Thread Elizabeth Ligeti
Helene, how do you get your Overseas mail posted with a variety of stamps on 
it?  Since the GST came in, there are special stamps (GST free) for Overseas 
mail, and local, stamps are illegal on overseas mail.  Our P.O. won't let 
you post overseas with anything but the 'Proper International stamps on.

Dianna, your tatting Zoo is great, and I love the use of the multicoloured 
thread.  Well Done.

from Liz in Melbourne, Oz,  where it is a cold, wet and windy, wild day 
today.
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[lace] RE: digital cameras

2004-10-26 Thread Helen Bell
I have to say that I have 2 excellent cameras.  

My first love is my Canon EOS Rebel, a 35mm, which serves me very well.
It will do macros for me, plus portraits, landscapes, and sports shots,
and I can use auto or manual focus, and I have a variety of lenses for
it.  I've done some delayed photography with it at night in the winter,
to get pictures of our Christmas lights (yes, I go out and stand in the
snow - if we have it - to get the shots), and whilst I have some
ordinary shots from it, I've also taken some fabulous ones of flora and
lace, and other things - but it's usually 1 or 2 shots per roll that
turn out great.  I do a little scrapbooking, and now I'm past my phobia
of taking scissors to my photos, I can turn an OK photo into something
better.

But, for my Big 4-0 this year, DH bought me a Fuji S7000 Finepix digital
camera, and I really like it.  I take tons of photos, and I can just
shoot and dump to my pc, deleting the bad pics.  It does macro and
supermacro - to within 1cm (stunning for lace!), and shoots in chrome,
colour and bW, and can shoot in a variety of modes up to 12 megapixels,
so to get a print quality photo is  easy.  He bought the extra card for
it, and I can shoot up to 500+ pics at 3 megapixels.  It also shoots
movies (short ones - I burnt 2 1/2 minutes of movie last week when the
Colorado National Guard landed a chopper at my kids school).  

I've noticed that the last few times we've had team photos taken of DS's
baseball teams, the photographers have had digital cameras, and the
results have been very acceptable.  I think a number of studios use them
now to take the mug shots for student ID's at school, and also the
commercial places like kiddie candids (or whoever they are) use digital
as well.  They then add borders and all sorts of post photo stuff prior
to printing. 

Part of me still prefers the 35mm, as it just appeals to the more
traditional part of me, and the photos are on emulsion, and not ink on
paper.  But by the same token, with the digital you don't have negatives
to get damaged by processors, thereby preventing reprints (happened to
me - can't get a reprint of one shot I want to frame, as the idiots
scratched the neg down to the emulsion).  You can get very good little
digital cameras, and you can get not so good ones.  Same goes for 35mm
ones.  At least with digital you don't have to worry about opening up
the back before you've rewound the film!  (done that before!).

Horses for courses, but I wouldn't not buy a digital camera on the
advice of one person.  Both sorts of cameras have lots to offer.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Cheers,
Helen, Aussie in Denver, where Fall is stunning this year. 

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[lace-chat] Secret Pal Thank you

2004-10-26 Thread Faye Owers
Dear Secret Pal,

Thank you for the wonderful parcel, it arrived today.  It was full of so many
lovely things, the needlecase such a clever idea and so useful, the pin
cushion is so cute I don't know whether or not to stick my pins in the little
cat, the thread is always a bonus, the perfume sachet will make my lace
cupboard smell lovely, and I love the lace bobbins they are truly beautiful
and will hang with the collection that I have from other countries, but my
favourite was the beautiful book on costumes in Breton, it is superb and I am
eager to finish all the housework to start reading.

Thank you very much, I am waiting until next month to find out you name.  I am
planning atrip with a friend next year and would love to meet you for a
coffee.

Regards
Faye Owers
Shearwater
Tasmania
Australia

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Re: [lace-chat] Black squirrels

2004-10-26 Thread Sue Babbs
i was wondering about all  those squirrels everybody's writing about . are
they all tree squirrels ?
The black, red, grey and fox squirrels are all tree climbing and dwelling 
squirrels.

(The black ones are prettiest, but the fox ones are rather cute, with orange 
tummies, and round here are definitely the largest and most prosperous. We 
don't have any red ones)
Sue
(In the north suburbs of Chicago) 

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[lace-chat] RE: Mouse plague

2004-10-26 Thread Barbara Stokes
Dear All,
The mouse plagues that have occurred in the central west of NSW, during
my nursing experience have been particularly horrible.
Babies bassinets were stood in dishes of water to prevent mice running
up to join the babies in bed.  A small country town did have a case of a
baby receiving chewed fingers.
Our long term quadriplegic patient also had a dreadful time with the
mice in his bed.
The stores had to have all foods in bins.
My DH (in his younger pre-married days) was working at Condobolin, must
have had a few drinks, states he fell asleep in a lounge chair, woke
later to find his fingernails had been nibbled by mice.
Off to do some more polychrome flowers to wear to the Australian AGM
Sept.05!!
Barbara

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Re: [lace-chat] Black Squirrels

2004-10-26 Thread David Collyer
At 09:48 AM 25/10/04 -0400, Webwalker wrote:
Are the Koalas as much beloved by their human neighbors as they are by 
those of us who see them only on TV and occasionally in a zoo, or are they 
considered destructive, etc.  Are they protected?
Dear Susan,
Yes they are protected, and Yes, most of us love them. I know they were a 
real nuisance down on my Granny's farm because there were too many of them 
and they were killing the beautiful Eucalyptus viminalis trees. But here 
they're great to have around
David in Ballarat


Susan
David Collyer wrote:

Dear Susan,
Do any of you have black squirrels, and if so, do you know if they drive 
out the other squirrels?
No. Sorry - only grey Koalas. Do they count?
David in Ballarat :_

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[lace-chat] digital cameras-vis slide shows

2004-10-26 Thread Dmt11home
As some people know, I recently did a slide show at Ithaca. When I began to  
prepare for the show, my initial thought was that I should go digital. Then I  
looked at the price of a digital projector, the cheapest about $1000 and 
thought  again. I didn't want to rent a projector, also not cheap. I figured I 
needed to  practice with the equipment and that the day of the talk was not a 
good day to  learn about digital projectors. My camera guru at the camera shop 
also pointed  out to me that most digital projectors only project an image of 
about 2300x 2300  pixels and that if my projected image were going to be large, 
ie. 3 or 4 feet,  it would be badly pixelated. He seemed to feel that the kind 
of resolution  required for close up lace photography would not be possible 
with this  pixelation, which incidentally is about the maximum I get on the 
super  high quality setting of my camera. You may never switch to digital, he 
said.  And he is a graduate of the photography department of the Rochester 
Institute of  Technology. I know for a fact that on the super high quality 
setting of my  camera the image is rarely clear enough to be printed at the size of 
8 x 10  which caused me to think he might be right.
As a result, I ended up buying an expensive new lense for my SLR and  
spending a small fortune processing slides at exactly the same moment in our  history 
when slide processing went from a day long process to one taking 2  weeks, 
due to lack of demand and the closure of the Kodak slide processing  center in 
Fairlawn, NJ.  The expensive custom lab that I found during this  hair raising 
process asked me curiously why I was using slides since apparently  his entire 
clientele, such as it is, is artists making slides of their  work.
Have others tried to do digital slide shows and were the dire predictions  of 
my camera guru correct?
Devon

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[lace-chat] Re: Black squirrels

2004-10-26 Thread Tatdlace
I must be lucky. I get black gray and red 
squirrels in my back yard. Although, I have only had 
one red squirrel. It chewed it's way into my bird 
house one day and when we took the bird house down 
to fix it, the red squirrel disappeared. The blacks 
and grays chase each other up and down the trees, 
along the fences and around the yards all year long. 
I have had a bird feeder and bird bath out for 
years so my backyard is a major feeding centre. We
had to take the feeder down this year as there have 
been some major problems with both birds and squirrels
doing damage to the houses. The neighborhood has 
requested that people stop feeding the critters as
they have become a serious problem. They haven't
done anything to our house, but a number of our
near neighbors have had a lot of trouble. So in 
the interest of keeping peace we have taken the feeder
down. I still throw out the occasional handful of food,
sunflower seeds, not mixed food.
I used to get the wild bird seed mix, but I found 
that it was full of seeds that a lot of birds don't eat.
The feeder was positioned over the concrete patio to
cut down on the amount of bird seed taking root in the
garden I used to have to shovel up a lot of the stuff 
the birds wouldn't eat. When I switched to sunflower
seeds I got the same type of birds using the feeder
and only seed shells to shovel up. The squirrels
really like it and they love the peanuts I throw
out for the blue jays. I think part of the reason they 
chase each other through my yard is to lay claim to 
the peanuts.
The grays are bigger and bolder, although both
types that hang around my yard are fat and sassy.
Sharon Briggs
in unseasonably warm Toronto Ontario

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[lace-chat] SP THANK YOU

2004-10-26 Thread Alessandra
Thank you for the lovely gifts
 
You are so nice!!! I have never seen a so wonderful thing for the scissors,
I put on the Carriemacross-scissor a wonderful
 Australian friend gave me.
 
I am looking forward to knowing who you are.
 
Thank you again.
 
Alessandra
Italy

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[lace-chat] a stork, and cats

2004-10-26 Thread Alice Howell
Hi,
My neighbor's yard has sprouted a six foot stork.  It's made of wood, 
stands on one leg, wears a pink coat, and holds a baby bundle.  The bundle 
has Olivia written on it, and the date, etc.  I had never seen one of 
these before, but it sure announces the latest arrival in the neighborhood.

On another subject, I just acquired twin black kittens about six months 
old.  It has livened up our house.  G  So far, a lace pillow has been 
dumped twice, but no serious problems.

Best wishes,
Alice in Oregon
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[lace-chat] Lace Problem

2004-10-26 Thread Janice Blair
Evelyn wrote asking about thread for 100 Traditional BOBBIN LACE PATTERNS BY Geraldine 
Stott and Bridget Cook.
 
Hi,
When I bought that book about 10 years ago I went to England to the NEC Lace Fair in 
search of DMC Retors d'Alsace No. 60 and Coats cotton a broder, No. 18.  I was told 
that it had not been available for quite a few years.  I also think #18 has been 
discontinued so I use 16.  Quite often threads have been discontinued even before the 
books get into the market.  I wanted a bright white thread and was disappointed that 
the threads I bought looked dingy (grey) next to the hankie fabric.  I found that DMC 
make a Machine Broder size 50 in a bright white as well as their regular white.  I 
think the number is 2500, but I could only find it in England at the time.  It might 
be available in the US now as that was probably about 3 or 4 years ago.  I have even 
made the pattern you mention and I think I had a problem with working the corner. 
Without the book to check,  I seem to remember that the pricking had more pinholes 
than the working diagram in one of the gimp surrounded areas, or 
 visa
 versa on the corner.  Printing errors do happen unfortunatley.  With more experience 
you learn to make changes where necessary to get the look you are trying to achieve.  
 
I have just completed the Seascape design on the cover and I am sure each corner was 
worked differently as I approached it but it looks just as good as the picture.  I use 
DMC Machine Broder 50 for a lot of my Buckspoint patterns.  
 
Your letter should have been addressed to Lace rather than Chat so it could be 
answered by more experienced lacemakers, Chat is usually for other subjects.
Janice


Janice Blair
Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA

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