[lace] Re: Lace Makers Lamps
On Nov 22, 2004, at 0:33, Karolina Jeffers wrote: I would like to tell you about an experiment a lacemaker set up at the AGM in Sydney. She brought her "lacemaker lamps", I think there were more than one on the stand, lit up the candles, turned the lights off and - the light from the lamps was so poor that one could not make any lace or read or really do anything else than have a good conversation with anybody who was in the room. I've been waiting and waiting, for someone who was there to chime in, but after 48hrs, I sit up and beg... :) A different gathering entirely - an IOLI (I think) Convention somewhere (I wasn't there)... The electricity failed, someone brought out a *make-shift* lacemaker's lamp (a bowl filled with water, illuminated, from behind, by a candle? flashlight?) and it worked just fine, if one's to believe the reports... I heard stories that lacemakers sat in circles a few rows deep around the lamps, That one I've not heard :) In the days when people used candles most people went to bed with chickens and got up with chickens as the daylight ruled their lives. Mmm... I grew up "in the city", with electricity for 9 months out of 12. But, for the rest of the year (in incremements - 8-9 weeks in the summer, 2-3 for Christmas, and about one week for Easter), I was packed off to my "family in the village" as often as not, until I was 14. No running water and no electricity. We did pack it in relatively early, and did get up relatively early too. But, with the chickens? No way... :) The chickens go to bed at sundown, and we'd stay up till 8-9 PM, longer, if someone came to visit. We didn't use the water-filled globes; I've never heard of/seen those until I joined Arachne... But we used oil lamps in the centre of the room (on the table) and candles in candlestcks (both mounted on the wall and hand-held) with a circle of highly polished metal in the back to reflect and diffuse the light... It's true that neither of those devices was as bright as a 100Watt bulb, but they were more than adequate (possibly brighter than a 40W bulb, which were often used in public places) Also the candles were very expensive and were used sparingly. The *wax* candles were, which is why they were kept for church use. The *tallow* ones (very smoky and smelly) were not. I think that one has to be a bit cautious to believe everything one hears - Couldn't agree more :) --- Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Lace Makers Lamps
Hello everyone, I would like to tell you about an experiment a lacemaker set up at the AGM in Sydney. She brought her "lacemaker lamps", I think there were more than one on the stand, lit up the candles, turned the lights off and - the light from the lamps was so poor that one could not make any lace or read or really do anything else than have a good conversation with anybody who was in the room. I heard stories that lacemakers sat in circles a few rows deep around the lamps, the better ones sat closest and the beginners a few rows out. This experiment proved that they were stories only. In the days when people used candles most people went to bed with chickens and got up with chickens as the daylight ruled their lives. Also the candles were very expensive and were used sparingly. I think that one has to be a bit cautious to believe everything one hears - believable or not. The above experiment was an example. Have a lovely day Karolina from Melbourne where the weather is starting to warm up and the days are getting longer > > Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:28:08 +1100 (EST) > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [lace] Lace Makers Lamps (longish) > > Jean, > I feel I can "argue" with you without falling out, as we know each other as > very nice people (!!!) Well I think you are nice anyway. :) > > I am also most ready to learn and admit I am wrong, but here are my > arguements, each of which might need some discussion as an email does > not substitute for talk. > > - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Springett collection auction/lacemakers lamps
Hi All, Talking about lace lamps! When I first started to make lace, the tutor used to have an 'At Home' day for her students - a wonderful day, making lace, answering quizzes, and general gossip. However, on one of these days, there was a power cut, and the lacemakiers lamp was brought out - to quite a bit of cynicism, I might add. But - were we all confounded! If the water-filled glass bowl and the candles are set right, the light is concentrated just where it is needed on the pillow - just as good as some of the magnifier lights available now - and lace can continue. I suppose the conclusiong to that rambling is that, should you get the chance to acquire a lacemakers lamp - definitely go for it! - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] lacemaker's lamp
I bought one of these years ago. I thought it was interesting...having only seen the candlestick stands. http://www.jamestownglasshouse.com/Reproduction1.asp Debbie in Florida USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: All Ratti Lace Available. Hooray!
On Nov 20, 2004, at 7:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Devon) wrote: Yesterday, Gunnel and I and our Assistant Director at the Ratti put the final two pieces of lace from the last box of lace from the Textile Study Room into a storage location. With this act, we have finally finished unpacking all the 5000 pieces of lace that were packed for the move from the old Textile Study Room to the new Ratti Textile Center at the Metropolitan Museum of Art. The unpacking has taken nine years. I hope that the Met is considering adding an on-site, reasonably-priced lodging (similiar to those built by MCDonald next to hospitals); if the collection took 9 yrs to unpack, consider how long it will take to drool over each piece... --- Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Springett collection auction
Although they tend now to be all called lace makers lamps I think that they must have been widely used by anyone who needed extra light for reading, writing etc before the days of oil or electric light Quite so. In my stamp collection, I have a Slovenian one with a picture of a stand, with glass globes suspended from it (3 are visible) and (presumably) a light-source in the centre. I keep it with my "lace tools" stamps, even though it's described as "shoemaking light". Kleinhout (from whom I got the series - 3 stamps, of which only that one is somewhat relevant) did warn me that it was not a *lacemaker's* lamp, but, since it's close enough in concept... --- Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: help?
On Nov 21, 2004, at 18:17, Whitham wrote: I attended my lace guild meeting today and brought with me one of my books. One lacemaker asked if she could look at it and of course I said yes. The next thing I saw, my book was being taken to the photocopier and being copied for 2 of the members. It was not my intention to share my book in this way as I respect copyrights of the authors, I wasn't even asked if I minded. Any ideas how to handle this if it happens again? Depends on your personality, I suppose. Me, I strongly believe in "do unto others..." so, when someone isn't "nice", then I feel free from having to be "nice" myself. I expect, once I got over the speechless shock at that behaviour, I'd have marched to the copier, taken the book with one hand and the copies with the other, and informed the offender (sweetly, but through clenched teeth) that the book was still in print, and available at such-and-so. If that weren't the case (ie, the book was out of print and hard to find), I'd stil cavil at not being asked - as Liz (Beecher) said, a permission for a *look* does not imply a permission to make free with the book's contents. This said, I often lend my books to people, and assume that they're likely to copy a pattern or two from them... --- Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] help?
In a message dated 21/11/2004 23:19:25 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > What does one do in this case? > > I attended my lace guild meeting today and brought with me one of my books. > One lacemaker asked if she could look at it and of course I said yes. The > next thing I saw, my book was being taken to the photocopier and being > copied for 2 of the members. It was not my intention to share my book in > this way as I respect copyrights of the authors, I wasn't even asked if I > minded. > > Any ideas how to handle this if it happens again? I had this when someone asked to borrow a CD of mine to see if they wanted to buy a copy of it (so they said - yes I know!!) - next thing I knew, everyone in the group had a copy of the CD. I polietly took the offender to one side and said that whilst she had no problem with breaking copyright, I did and that would have preferred to have asked me for my permission, which I would have denied. She was really taken aback and responded that if I had wanted a copy of something she had then I could have anything taped - think she didn't get the fact that I'd never have asked her to do this. I personally would have gone over and quietly said to her that when I agreed that she could look, I thought that she meant LOOK at the book, not photocopy it for herself, let alone her friends. And that whilst she obviously has no issue with breaking copyright, she has made me break copyright without my permission. Yes, I know that this is harsh but in this case she has violated kindness and trust. When someone does something like this being nice and telling them off never seems to work - I'll be interested to see who has managed to do this 'nicely' and get away with it. After all, what she has done isn't nice, is it? Regards Liz in London I'm back blogging my latest lace piece - have a look by clicking on the link or going to http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] help?
In a message dated 21/11/2004 23:43:00 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > So now, whenever I demonstrate the programme, or give out a demonstration > disc, > I smile very sweetly, and say very firmly: "the demonstration version, > because > it does not print or save, can be loaded on as many of your friends > computers > as you like. However, if you buy the full version, if you read the licence > agreement (which most people don't!) you'll see that for your money you can > instal it on your own computer, *for your own use* only. Sharing the > programme > is an abuse of copyright, and is also unfair on those who've paid the full > price for the programme". > > > Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) I bought some Jewish software and on the disc it had the following statement; "Copying this disk is theft and is against US and God's laws" You can't ask for a more damning (pardong the pun) caveat than that! Regards Liz in London I'm back blogging my latest lace piece - have a look by clicking on the link or going to http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] help?
I've had people tell me they've let their friends instal the Lace 2000 software on their computer - which is equally, an abuse of copyright and can lead to prosecution. So now, whenever I demonstrate the programme, or give out a demonstration disc, I smile very sweetly, and say very firmly: "the demonstration version, because it does not print or save, can be loaded on as many of your friends computers as you like. However, if you buy the full version, if you read the licence agreement (which most people don't!) you'll see that for your money you can instal it on your own computer, *for your own use* only. Sharing the programme is an abuse of copyright, and is also unfair on those who've paid the full price for the programme". I suggest you work out in advance, some similar statement, applicable to the loan of books, along the lines of "I really do feel very strongly that we should all respect author's copyright, and for that reason I don't allow photocopying of my books" - and smile nicely as you say it gently and firmly before you hand the book over to the would-be borrower. Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) Whitham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:What does one do in this case? I attended my lace guild meeting today and brought with me one of my books. One lacemaker asked if she could look at it and of course I said yes. The next thing I saw, my book was being taken to the photocopier and being copied for 2 of the members. It was not my intention to share my book in this way as I respect copyrights of the authors, I wasn't even asked if I minded. Any ideas how to handle this if it happens again? - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] help?
What does one do in this case? I attended my lace guild meeting today and brought with me one of my books. One lacemaker asked if she could look at it and of course I said yes. The next thing I saw, my book was being taken to the photocopier and being copied for 2 of the members. It was not my intention to share my book in this way as I respect copyrights of the authors, I wasn't even asked if I minded. Any ideas how to handle this if it happens again? - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Starts/Endings for Ornaments inside rings
In a message dated 21/11/2004 13:48:16 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Good morning, > I would like to make some Christmas tree ornaments that are positioned > inside little brass bangles. Can someone give me a reference for the > starting and ending of such projects. I belong to the Great Lakes Lace > Guild and we have quite an extensive library available to us. Or maybe a > few who have made these would be willing to share their experience. Or > refer me to the archives if this has been discussed recently. > Thanks so much > Mary in Ann Arbor Having just been reading my Christine Springett book that I bought at yesterday's fair my obvious suggestion is any of her books which cover Xmas decorations. Regards Liz in London I'm back blogging my latest lace piece - have a look by clicking on the link or going to http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Pillow source
It would make a useable pillow, but my guess is that the polystyrene is not dense enough to stand up to a great deal of pin sticking and will disintegrate sooner rather than later. Brenda On Nov 21, 2004, at 8:46 am, Jean Nathan wrote: Towards the end of the summer, our local chain stores and supermarkets were selling dense polystyrene bodyboards/boogie boards - short surf boards about 3 ft long - which had a large flat area in the middle very cheaply to clear the shelves ready for the Christmas stock. I thought they would make lace pillows if cut down a bit. Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brenda http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] hearts and more - for Newbies
Dear Jeri, Thank you so much for telling us about the Christmas tree at the Metropolitan and also your own. They both sound amazing and I so enjoyed your description. Makes me happy to think that Denmark's Georg Jensen inspired your collection and it is wonderful that you have so many happy memories to treasure. all the best and keep bobbin' along from Avril And on the 8th day, God created golf courses and lacemakers Avril Bayne Denmark - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Lacemakers lamps
As Brian knows, I have several 'lacemakers' lamps, I also disagreed with him until I acquire an example that still had its wick holder in tact. I have since found another, one wick holder is metal the other earthenware. These so called 'lacemakers lamps' appear quite regularly on ebay and I've downloaded pictures of most and can say that a reasonable percentage have still got the holder for the wick. I also think the estimates for the bobbins at auction are very high and considering the state of the market at the moment I think they are over optimistic. There are one or two I would like for my collection so I'm hoping they are wrong ;-) Diana - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] needle lace
Check out the Prof's site: He has just posted the old DMC needle lace book. There are a couple of other new ones too, thanks to Devon. To see the postings of the month, go to Postingsof the month: http://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/2004-11.html I'm scanning a lovely old book right now which is a translation into English of a description of an exhibition held in Paris in 1900. I saw this book some years ago at a museum library, but they wouldn't let me scan it. Then, mirabile dictu!, it arrived quite by surprise from a lacemaker in California. This and ILL are how I find books to scan for all the lacemakers in the world to see. But without the Professor, this work would never come to fruition. He is remarkable. And patient. Tess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Starts/Endings for Ornaments inside rings
Good morning, I would like to make some Christmas tree ornaments that are positioned inside little brass bangles. Can someone give me a reference for the starting and ending of such projects. I belong to the Great Lakes Lace Guild and we have quite an extensive library available to us. Or maybe a few who have made these would be willing to share their experience. Or refer me to the archives if this has been discussed recently. Thanks so much Mary in Ann Arbor - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] lacemakers lamps
Now please don't get upset with what I am going to say, I have never spoken about lacemakers lamps before, having read this discussion I decided to contact a lace teacher who learnt her lace from a very young age and is now retired. I was told she only ever saw lacemakers outside their cottages making lace. But does know about the small lacemakers lamp that she has it was made in the town where she was born. It is very small, very heavy, you put water in the glass then you put tallow and light it. After a time you will see rings of tallow around the glass. As there was a candle factory in the town where the candles were made that is where the tallow was bought. Jean Peach - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] teaching after 6 months
Dear spiders, and Jacqui I'm glad with the positive reactions in this case. In my country I got negative reactions because I started teaching without the bobbin lace teachers course: "I thought we are past that pioneering stage" was the comment. As I had more experience than six months I assembled my own lessens from various sources. But as I'm too chaotic I was glad to find the Torchon sampler (the one with more than 4000 pins) of Gerrie Antonides. Available on http://www.heikina-de-ruijter.com/ if I'm not mistaken. Dutch but clear drawings. It is a 10 Euro selfpublished A4-size 28 page booklet. Photographs lack grey but are acceptable. I don't expect it to get out of print: just a matter of photo-copying a new batch. In this case I value that more important than a glossy version. I only expect on average less than one new student a year and don't want to have to buy new books because my students can't get my favorite any more. Jo Falkink - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Lace Makers Lamps (longish)
Jean, I feel I can "argue" with you without falling out, as we know each other as very nice people (!!!) Well I think you are nice anyway. :) I am also most ready to learn and admit I am wrong, but here are my arguements, each of which might need some discussion as an email does not substitute for talk. I agree that lace makers did use water bowls/bottles/flasks as magnifying lens and there are some water bowls around. 1. The bowls were much larger in diameter so that the candle could get closer. A bit like goldfish bowls. ( I think this is a fairly critical point). 2. Their bases are comparatively narrow (but not unstable) 3. They mostly do not have handles. (It is so natural for a small oil lamp to have a handle) 4. Frequently they are part of some sort of "table set" ie they stand as a set of globes with a candle/s in the middle. Rather like a smaller and more refined candle block "stool". 5. In practice it is essential for the candle to get up closely to the bowl, and a base like the "lace makers lamp, will not allow the candle to get close enough. The exception is on the candle block as there was light coming from one candle and four or more globes, this gave a greater amount of "ambient light" that did not require such focus as does a single light. As you will know they sat the lace makers around the light in order of their skills, the first circle was the first light (and the best makers) and so on to four or even more "lights" or circles. 6. Yes, any person who wanted better light for a task, particularly watchmakers and jewlers, not to mention the the people at the manor who wanted to read ot write letters etc, used water bowl magnification. 7. To be practical, there needs to be an adjustable height device for the candle. There were candle sticks that had a spring in them to keep the flame up to the correct level , but there are nothing like the numbers of those around to keep up with the water bowls. 8. The best arguement for these "Lamps" are that they were used by lace makers as lamps to go in front of their bowls. 9 I am sure that a trip to the Aylesbury museum where they are there, complete with their wick holder will help in this discussion. (Dont rush off until I have been home to check which museum it was!) In fact this business came up on the list a few years ago relating to the reproduction lace makers lamps being sold in some US heritage museums. The antique industry calls them "lace makers lamps" that is what they will always be called, because that "battle" is lost. At the moment I hold to view that it is a misnomer. When I get home I will try and dig out my research notes on this subject and send them to you. BTW I have told you that we are House sitting". More accurately we are "cat sitting". The cat owns the house, our kids pay the mortgage! - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Springett collection auction
On 20 Nov 2004, at 12:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I have spent a bit of time looking at the catalogue today. There are soome beautifull bobbins for sale. By now you will all be aware of my opinion that the so called "lace makers lamps" are a generic term that has been given to oil lamps. I agree with you about the beautiful bobbins and the prices, but I think that you are a bit wrong on the 'lacemakers' lamps. They are not and were not oil lamps. The globe stands alone in front of a candle or other light source to magnify the light. The candle stool had places fro several globes all sharing the light from one candle. I have a picture in a German book which shows lace makers from the Erzegeburg (sp?) during the war working with a water globe in front of an oil lamp. Although they tend now to be all called lace makers lamps I think that they must have been widely used by anyone who needed extra light for reading, writing etc before the days of oil or electric light Jean in Cleveland U.K. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Piper's silk
I used Piper's silk for one of my intermediate Lace Guild Assessments. I gave about six weeks notice of when I wanted to start, and sent samples in cotton of the colours I was looking for in 80/3 spun silk. Susan was very helpful in matching the colours with two of them in their own 80/3 spun silk and one in Gutterman's equivalent. The Gutterman's was 50 m spools, where Piper's was 75 m, and she hadn't allowed for that and not sent enough of the Gutterman's - easily done. So I telephoned her and she sent a sample of the nearest, but darker colour in their own 90/2 gloss because she hadn't any more of the Gutterman's in that colour, and had just the right amount in the darker one, which she put aside for me until I'd decided if I wanted it. I did, and the amount I wanted cleared their remaining stock. The colour suited me just as well, and I received the new batch before I'd sent the Gutterman's back. She's very trusting. She was really helpful, but obviously they don't keep unlimited stocks of each colour and type so they're bound to have times when some aren't available. Add to that attendance at fairs - like Havant yesterday where they were doing a roaring trade (and incidentally had made up packs of silk ready to make the initials in Sandi Woods new book in the colours Sandi used - round about GBP12 per pack) - where they have to have good stocks for immediate sales. Obviously they weren't dealing with any mail orders yesterday, and probably not Friday or today either. NEC coming up shortly, so presumably they'll want all their stock for that 2 day fair. If you have a problem, telephone Susan - I've always found her most helpful and there's usually a simple answer to a problem. On their web site, they do say: "All Silks are wound to order, in date sequence; please advise if required for specific dates or classes." Usual disclaimers - just a very satisfied customer. I've always found them excellent to deal with. Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Pillow source
Towards the end of the summer, our local chain stores and supermarkets were selling dense polystyrene bodyboards/boogie boards - short surf boards about 3 ft long - which had a large flat area in the middle very cheaply to clear the shelves ready for the Christmas stock. I thought they would make lace pillows if cut down a bit. Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
