Re: [lace] Re: petals
I am now attempting petals, my petals look like twigs. With practice, they'll begin to look like pine-cones, and then like the real thing :) my teacher called mine holly leaves, put me off for quite a while and I still avoid them if I can which is a shame jenny barron Scotland - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Picture of a needlelace needle required
Reply , from a non needlelacer; grab an ordinary sewing needle from Jean's sewing box and take a picture. Hey Presto, a needle lace needle. I've never heard of any special needles being used, unless someone prefers ball-point needles for when they are doing the fillings. Jean in Cleveland U.K. after failing miserably at a bibllla course in Athens On 29 May 2005, at 14:16, Brian Lemin wrote: I have just discovered that I do not have a picture of a real needle lace needle (as opposed to a doll needle etc.) Can anyone send me a scan/picture of one please? Many thanks Jean and Brian from Cooranbong, Australia - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] petals
Hello Lynn The only way to learn how to make good leaves/petals is to get stuck in and make them, lots of them. They will improve with practice. Yes, you do use four threads for each petal, three are passives and the 4th is a weaver. As Tamara has already said *iron control* over the tension is the crucial part. Do *not* tension the weaver without also tensioning the outer two passives. Everyone's hands are different and there are various ways of holding the three passives; between the knuckles palm up. between the knuckles palm down or flat on the pillow. Or the CCT method Tamara described. My preferred way is flat on the pillow. I'm right handed so the weaver which needs a long leash is held in my right hand and the three passives have fairly short leashes so that I can spread ands tension them with the left hand. I start with a cloth stitch, (CTC) then twist the right hand pair and the outside right bobbin becomes the weaver. With loose tension, and without letting go of the weaver (no changing hands!) I move the weaver: over, under, over, to the left under, over, under, to the right hold the passives down firmly and then tension the weaver. For the 'under' movements keep the weaver in the right hand and lift the appropriate passive. Repeat for as many times as is necessary, tensioning each time the weaver comes to the right hand side At the end of the leaf twist the left hand pair (the right hand pair is effectively already twisted and finish with a cloth stitch (CTC) or cloth twist (CTCT) as required. It's the combination of tensions on the weaver and on the passives that creates the petal/leaf shape and it takes *practice*. I wasn't aware of how I tension until DH asked once what I was flicking the bobbins for. Turns out that each time I tension the weaver I give it a double jerk! That's my way of doing it, but in the end whichever way of handling the bobbins works for you is the will be the right way for you. Brenda On 30 May 2005, at 01:06, Lynn Weasenforth wrote: I am now attempting petals, my petals look like twigs. GGG Any suggestions? Do I use four threads or more. h. What a problem. Brenda http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Help with square Valenciennes ground, please
A friend and I are trying to puzzle out how best to work square Valenciennes ground (the one in 19th century Valenciennes). There seem to be plenty of variations for Valenciennes ground in Cook Stott's Bobbin Lace Stitches and Michael Guisiana's Binche Lace but none of them give us quite what we want. Does anyone have any hints or tips? What we'd particularly like to know about is 1. Angle of the ground - 45 degrees? 50 degrees? or something else? 2. What is the best way of working the plait crossing? There seem to be several variations. 3. Where best to place the pin - in centre of crossing? to one side? below? We know the ground should really be worked without pins but reckon we need to work up to that! Any help gratefully received. Jean in Glasgow where the sun is shining (despite today being a Bank Holiday) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: pinning spiders (was: BLacing with hair)
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes What I do is put in the pin till I've got all the legs anchored to the ground. I find the easiest way to remember to do this (particularly for students, but I occasionally forget too) is to re-use the centre pin for the last ground pin - ie the pinhole directly below - of the surrounding diamond. At this point, you are at a convenient point to tension the spider, with all the ground pins in place for support. -- Jane Partridge -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 27/05/2005 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Help with square Valenciennes ground, please
Jean I have a small half collar, or perhaps it's a cuff, with square Valenciennes ground that looks very much like that shown in Pat Earnshaw's Bobbin Needle laces Identification Care, page 58. Being curved it's difficult to say what the working angle is but it appears to be 45 deg or less rather than the 50 deg that Earnshaw suggests. It looks like 6 or 7 half stitches in each plait but I can't see what the crossing is - at x30 or on the scan. I've put a couple of scans on http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/sq_val.htm or http://tinyurl.com/7hmhp Brenda On 30 May 2005, at 10:56, Jean Leader wrote: A friend and I are trying to puzzle out how best to work square Valenciennes ground (the one in 19th century Valenciennes). There seem to be plenty of variations for Valenciennes ground in Cook Stott's Bobbin Lace Stitches and Michael Guisiana's Binche Lace but none of them give us quite what we want. Does anyone have any hints or tips? What we'd particularly like to know about is 1. Angle of the ground - 45 degrees? 50 degrees? or something else? 2. What is the best way of working the plait crossing? There seem to be several variations. 3. Where best to place the pin - in centre of crossing? to one side? below? We know the ground should really be worked without pins but reckon we need to work up to that! Any help gratefully received. Jean in Glasgow where the sun is shining (despite today being a Bank Holiday) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brenda http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Needle lace example.
OK, thank you for the replies that I have had regarding the use of the tools. Now I am thinking that I should have a picture of the needlelace that the tools and their users produce. Any volunteers to send me a scan/ picture of a piece of needle lace? BTW the general consensus is that there is no special needle for needle lace. Jean and Brian from Cooranbong, Australia - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Help with square Valenciennes ground, please
Hello Jean, 1. Angle of the ground - 45 degrees? 50 degrees? or something else? I didn't find anything about it but I will mesure it. 2. What is the best way of working the plait crossing? There seem to be several variations. I remember that when I learned it we did the the round ground in another way as the square one. I scan you privately the two working schemes so I couldn#t make a fault with translation. 3. Where best to place the pin - in centre of crossing? to one side? below? We know the ground should really be worked without pins but reckon we need to work up to that! We weren't allowed to put a pin so we didn't. But if I would do so by the round ground in the middle and by the square one I don't think it makes any sense to put one. Perhaps it would help to both sides outside. Here today the heat has gone and it is grey and rainish. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: [lace] petals
Hi T. and everyone After setting in the pin (between the two pairs), make a cloth stitch (CTCT). Counting from left to right, the 3rd thread is your weaver. Not wanting to confuse the issue with the name-the-stitch discussion, but still: Did you mean cloth stitch (CTC)? I make a CTC (not a CTCT) before starting the leaf/tally/petal, was shown that early on by another lacemaker. I would put an extra twist if I want to finagle a better weaver to the '3rd' position - I can now weave a leaf/petal starting with any of the 4 threads (go me) Sometimes I only start with a CT if there would be too much neck made by the CTC vs. the thickness of the thread I'm using. For Lynn and other beginners, I'm fairly certain there is a website that shows a leaf-in-progress, showing how the threads are angled as one works, helpful if you've never seen one made 'in real' before. -- bye for now Bev in Sooke, BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) I guess I should try to find that website... - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] bookmarks sleeves
Hi Spiders All, Yes - I do realise that I'm a bit behind reading the messages, but we've had a lovely two weeks in the Lake District (UK). However, I don't think I have seen a reply to this string, which inserts bookmarks the way I do - so ... I cut a piece of heavyish paper just about double the width of the bookmark, and as long as the bookmark. Then, the paper is folded in half lengthwise, and the bookmark put inside the fold, with a tiny little bit at the top showing above the paper. This is then inserted into he bookmark sleeve. The paper is heavy enough to slide to the top of the bookmark sleeve, so then the little tiny bit of the bookmark which protrudes from the top is held inside the sleeve, by the fingers, and the paper is pulled out. The bookmark can be tapped gently to make sure that it is straight inthe sleeve - and it is altogether a relatively easy and successful way of inserting the bookmark. I hope this helps. Carol - back in flat (tish) Suffolk, after a lovely two weeks away in the Lake District - already missing the hills and lakes! Subject: [lace] bookmarks sleeves - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] bookmarks sleeves
Hi, best idea I have hear yet. Will try it next time, Vivienne ~ Biggins Finca Keep Lacing - Tatting - Crocheting -Embroidering - Sewing - Quilting and being crafty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Lace Courses in UK
Apologies Arachnes if this is a repeat, but I sent it last week in response to Magda's enquiry and haven't seen it - yet! * Dear Magda I have a Rosaline Lace course with tutor Judith Cordell in Salisbury, in the south of England, July 22nd-23rd. It is right in the town centre and easily accessible by Public Transport. Fully residential. You can find details of this and other lace, beading and embroidery courses throughout England throughout the year on my website; www.greatescapes-weekends.com http://www.greatescapes-weekends.com/ To other Arachnes, especially those that have notified me that my website was down over the past year, please note the new website address. After a year of computer problems, I 'think' we are up and running now and I'm hoping to have more time again for Arachne! The website is still officially 'under construction' but the links all work and the information is all there. Hope there is something that takes your fancy and you have a great holiday! Best wishes. Jane Dickinson, organiser of Great Escapes Lace, Bead Embroidery Weekends East Sussex, UK * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To Michelle looking for lace in London/Chester, there is a course in Salisbury in June - Milanese Lace with Pat Read. Salisbury is accessible by train from London. To all Arachnes within reach of my venues you are welcome to drop in and see what is going on on any of my weekends. The tutors usually put on very good displays of their work. It is great to see the pieces from the books in real life. There is always the 'work in progress' to look at too. I hope to see some of you somewhere. Best wishes. Jane. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Making a tatting shuttle part 4 The best way
sorry jane, i ment to send the reply to lace. just ignore it or delete the letter when it comes to you. i have a bad habit of hitting the reply button instead of writing in the lace email address. i saw a simple tatting shuttle that i think i will imitate and make with some thin veneer. it is just a flat oval with pointed tips, one end near the top has a small half circle cut out of it,and on the other side on the opposite end there is another small half circle cut out of it. it looks easy to unwind and easy to make. i don't really understand the tatting shuttles, but i have never seen one. i saw how to make them, and i understand the directions, but how does the thread unwind from in the middle? how does the thread come out of the shuttle when you need to unravel it? thank you for the directions on the difference between tatting and needle lace. happing lace making! --- Jane Partridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes i am sure i can make enough of them to start a small project in tatting this way. Susan, you only need one tatting shuttle to get started! Tatting is a technique making larks head knots using a shuttle - usually, but not always, still attached to the ball of thread (so that you have the ball thread and the shuttle thread - this way you can make chains but to make a ring you only need the shuttle wound with thread (you can make flowers to decorate cards in this way). i think tatting is a lot like needle lace, and in fact they even make tatted lace with a needle specifically made for tatting. Needlelace is detached buttonhole/blanket stitch, worked with a needle. You need a firm pad to work on, onto which you couch your outline threads (cordonnet) - these are the support for the buttonhole stitch fillings, and to remove the lace you cut and remove the couching stitches so that you can lift the completed lace from the pad. Needle tatting, on the other hand, is effectively making a series of clove hitch knots on the needle, and then pulling the end of the thread (which is threaded through the eye of the needle) through the loops on the needle. Thus it is a string of knots - and doesn't have to be supported other than by your fingers while you work. Needle tatting is floppier than shuttle tatting. Where shuttle tatting is concerned, you can try it out with your shuttle thread wound onto a piece of card - it is your hands that support the thread on the whole, the shuttle is just a convenient storage for getting a long length of thread into knots! At a demo last year, I was asked about tatting (I was doing bobbin lace, my colleague, needle - we can both tat) and not appearing to have a shuttle with me, I borrowed one of the cards (you know the small ones cross stitchers use to store their threads on) from Anne and used that. A bit cumbersome, but it worked. Later, back at home, I discovered I had had my shuttle hiding at the bottom of my equipment all the time! -- Jane Partridge -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.17 - Release Date: 25/05/2005 from susan in tennessee,u.s.a. __ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] petals website
Hi everyone, Lynn and other beginners, also for leaf 'improvers' Here is the site I was looking for - yes, it's in French, but the pictures speak universal ;) go to http://perso.wanadoo.fr/dentelle.fuseau/ on the left hand list of links click on Trucs et astuces (tricks and hints) then scroll down to Points d'esprit ovale, click on photos:Point d'esprit ovale - and there it is, all in photos Thank you to Brenda for the suggestion of http://www.gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/lace/ this one doesn't seem to have instructions for leaves/tallies (but it is a good on-line instructional page!) -- bye for now Bev in Sooke, BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) Cdn. floral bobbins www.woodhavenbobbins.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: petals
On May 30, 2005, at 12:15, Bev Walker wrote: Hi T. and everyone After setting in the pin (between the two pairs), make a cloth stitch (CTCT). Counting from left to right, the 3rd thread is your weaver. Not wanting to confuse the issue with the name-the-stitch discussion, but still: Did you mean cloth stitch (CTC)? Yes, indeed I do; don't know how that extra T managed to sneak into the text; it doesn't into the leaf :) I make a CTC (not a CTCT) before starting the leaf/tally/petal Yes, so do I; irrespective of how you make the leaf (in hands, on the pillow, over under, TTC, whatever), all the books seem to tell you to start with CTC (cloth stitch) Lynn: most abject apologies for the coinfucion; you said you'd printed out the directions. Please correct that oopsie. Bev: many thanks for catching it. It's yet another proof of my theory that it's better to answer questions on the list than off; your chances of getting free proofreading are greater :) -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Help with square Valenciennes ground, please
On May 30, 2005, at 5:56, Jean Leader wrote: What we'd particularly like to know about is 1. Angle of the ground - 45 degrees? 50 degrees? or something else? Something else, though don't know what it is. I seem to remember Giusiana saying it was 55degrees, but won't swear to it (nor to anything else I seem to remember g). 2. What is the best way of working the plait crossing? There seem to be several variations. I have two books on the subject: Annick Staes' Valenciennes (a portfolio) and Valenciennes Variaties by Yvonne Krijgsman and Margreeth Dirksen. Staes has some general information on the lace; Variaties are patterns only. I can't find a diagram of the square ground in the first, but there's a connection between the ground and the footside illustrated, and it seems to indicate that it's likely to be the same as the plait crossing in the Variaties book, which *does* have a diagram of both the ground and the ground/footside connection. According to the diagram: Both plaits approach the crossing in untwisted state (ie, end with TC) Cloth stitch (CTC) the two centre pairs. Cloth stitch the two lh prs. Cloth stitch the two rh prs. Plait (TC) to the next crossing. 3. Where best to place the pin - in centre of crossing? to one side? below? We know the ground should really be worked without pins but reckon we need to work up to that! I'd put it under the CTC of the two centre pairs, since that's the weight-bearing stitch, where the two plaits meet for the first time after travelling on a diagonal path (always a stretchy proposition). But I could be influenced by the way Flanders pins its rosy ground: only the first and the last stitches are pinned, both underneath (open pin), while the side stitches are left to sift for themselves. Staes goes on to say about the Square Ground: Most old prickings had no pinholes, except for the odd single pinhole to be found within the ground area of some very wide designs. These pinholes were used for support pins. Without these support pins, the diagonal pinless mesh would probably have become too extended to keep its shape And, in another passage, Basic rules, she says: Threads are not pulled so firmly as in most other bobbin laces. With Valenciennes Laace, it is not what you pull that matters, but what you DON'T PULL. Use a larger pillow to enable the bobbins to be spread wide apart when making the ground stitches. This is one of the secrets of achieving a neat pinless ground I've never made any Val myself, but I have used the square ground plait crossing in a couple of guipure (Cluny/Beds) patterns. Not a whole slew of them (as in a ground), but a few in a quick sequence (the plaits between crossings were shorter than in Val). I found them very nice and easy and *tight*. That is, a supporting pin wasn't necessary, if tensioning was just so. But, also, I used linen thread, which tends to hold/mesh better than cotton (and never mind *silk* g). Which probably wouldn't be possible in reproduction Val, since there's no linen fine enough to be had now. PS Many thanks, Jean, for the article on Kat Stitch Ground (Lace 118, April '05). It's the clearest diagram/explanation of Paris Ground I've ever seen; I especially like the grey/black part, which shows precisely which pairs move down and which diagonally. Now that things are *clear*, I may even try it one day :) It is, BTW very similiar to the Round Ground shown in Staes' Valencienne portfolio, except that Val had two twists, not one, at the crossings. But that's where I'd put the pin in Val ground too, if I had to... -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Picture of a needlelace needle required
In a message dated 5/29/05 9:35:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have just discovered that I do not have a picture of a real needle lace needle (as opposed to a doll needle etc.) Can anyone send me a scan/picture of one please? Dear Brian, You have not said how you plan to use the needle photo. If it is to illustrate something on your Web Site, you need more information about needlelace, so that people will not be mis-led. Nearly always, more than one type of needle is used for different stages in the making of a single piece of needlelace! I have made a variety of needlelaces, and a variety of needles are appropriate, depending on the type of needlelace being made and the threads to be used. It's like bobbins - you use what works for the type of lace you are making and the thread(s) you are using! Books of four different prominent needlelace book authors from the U.S. and England have been referenced below in pretty much direct quotes, and if you looked at more books by experts you would find even more recommendations! Each of these authors has written more than one book on needlelace, and there are many more authors of fine books on the subject. I am not aiming at over-kill here but an attempt to clear up a misconception that one type of needle will suffice. 1. Jill Nordfors Clark, Needle Lace Techniques Inspiration - modern needlelaces made with a great variety of threads, and needlelaces made on sewing machines: Along with tapestry (blunt-ended) needles with a large eye and large darning needles, you will need a selection of sharp-pointed needles. If you are planning to incorporate tiny beads, you'll also need a beading needle. For machine stitching on paper #90/14 (or larger) sewing machine needles are required. 2. Pat Earnshaw, Needlelace (Merehurst Embroidery Skills series): Sharps for couching down the outlining thread, since the needle has to be pushed through both the pattern and its support. A blunt-tipped needle, either ball point or tapestry, is used for working the stitches; its *rounded tip cannot accidentally split the threads*. 3. Valerie Grimwood, Starting Needlepoint Lace - A Course for Beginners: 1 - Ball-pointed sewing needles for the lace stitches. 2 - Ordinary fine sewing needles for tacking and couching. 4. Nenia Lovesey, Introduction to Needlepoint Lace: For the couching down of the design: *Betweens have a round eye and a No. 8 is about right when using sewing cotton. *Crewels have long eyes and a No. 10 is right for single strands of stranded sewing cotton or silks of a higher number than 100/3s. *Sharps No. 8 has a round eye; the needle is finer and longer than the No. 8 Betweens. For making the lace stitches: *Ballpoint needles were first introduced to use with man-made stretch fabrics, but have proved their worth for working the needlelace stitches as they have blunt ends and small round eyes, whereas *Tapestry needles have thick wide eyes that can spoil the lie of the close work. With the instructions in these or any needlelace books, it would be wise to use the threads recommended, as they are the ones that will fit the needles. Each author has done the work for you - determining what is best for the instructions in her book. Lace, as you know, is not a subject that can be condensed correctly into a one sentence summary. The same is true of the tools and thread used to make many varieties of lace. Kindest regards, Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Needlelace
Brian Jean Cooranbong, Australia - I will contact you off list with some NL pictures etc. Regards from Liz in Melbourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Don't ask just play
This hasd been around for a long time. It's is a geometric progression.. You send to ten, who each send to ten (10 x 10), who each send to 10 (10 x 10 x 10) and so on. Bit like a virus - so many emails being generated - can we clog up the email system? Probably not, but how annoying when you get so many of these in your inbox when the people you send to send them back Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: These made me laugh too
Yours, plowing through the entire series (now that I've finally assembled all its ingredients and can read the books in order) of the detective feats of the 17th c samurai Sano Ichiro, and learning bits about the political system of Japan of that time. that sounds interesting Tamara, I loved Robert Van Gulik's Judge Dee series set in 7th century China - are there many books in the series? Is it also a trait of lacemakers that we have to read books in orderg. I have to confess I will not read part of a series of books - even if they are stand alone books - if I cannot get them all, I'm sure I miss out on books that I would love but I can't help it jenny barron Scotland To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] admin: chain letters
Gentle spiders, If you all want to participate in this chain letter and clog up your inboxes, please feel free to do so by private mail. I don't think we need to see this again on lace-chat. Thanks! Best wishes, Avital Moderator Sorry, guys, it's quick and for a kid's school project! This is for a science fair project. If you could do this I would appreciate it! DON'T ASK, JUST PLAY! Copy and paste this letter into a new email (PLEASE do NOT hit Forward), then read the list of names. If your snip To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Latest Star Wars movie
Hi Spiders, I saw SW Ep III a week ago with 2 of my boys (aged almost 10 and almost 8). They are SW fanatics - as is their little brother, aged 3 and a half, who was WAY young to see the movie, but is very cross he didn't get to see it. They loved it. They found 2 scenes a bit confronting, but nothing too bad. From an adult perspective, it is very long and a bit boring, however there are some good bits interspersed here and there, and I absolutely loved the last 5 minutes or so. It segues beautifully and cleverly into Ep IV, almost bought a tear to my eye! As someone who has always enjoyed the SW saga, I think it is well worth the price to see how everything all ties in. There are plenty of faults, and I found some the supposed motivation unconvincing, but am glad to have seen it. Enjoy it (no lace outfits for Padme in this one, tho plenty of dumb outfits - why didn't someone have a long talk with George Lucas??? Three strings of pearls around the shoulders/decolletage on a negligee - youch!!) Jen in chilly Melbourne, Australia. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Humour - risque
Subject: These are quite funny Subject: Top Ten He Said She Said 10) He said... I don't know why you wear a bra; you've got nothing to put in it. She said...You wear pants, don't you? 9) She said...What do you mean by coming home half drunk? He said... It's not my fault...I ran out of money. 8) He said... Since I first laid eyes on you, I've wanted to make love to you really badly. She said...Well, you succeeded. 7) He said... 'Two inches more, and I would be king' She said...'Two inches less, and you'd be queen' 6) On wall in ladies room: My husband follows me everywhere.. Written just below it: I do not. 5) He said... Shall we try swapping positions tonight? She said...That's a good idea you stand by the ironing board while I sit on the sofa and fart. 4) Priest... 'I don't think you will ever find another man like your late husband.' She said...'Who's gonna look?' 3) He said.. What have you been doing with all the grocery money I gave you? She said...Turn sideways and look in the mirror you fat bastard. 2) He said... Let's go out and have some fun tonight. She said...Okay, but if you get home before I do, leave the hall light on. 1) He said... Why don't you tell me when you have an orgasm? She said...I would, but you're never there. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: Van Gogh's family tree
Dear Friends, Tamara, say gracht (canal) I'd do my best (imagine choking on a chicken bone twice, with an aaah in the middle), and the room would explode in friendly laughter; ah... they'd say, you *might* 'make it' in *Belgium*, but, in Netherlands, you need to practice a lot more... I had to laugh at that. When I was learning Dutch the phrase they used to give me was: acht en tachtig verschrekkelijkke kacheltjes [88 terrible little stoves]. My spelling is no doubt off a bit. Glottal is right, Lynn; we have trouble coping with it because, except for the Netherlands version of Dutch, glottal stops of that intensity are used only in African and Arabic languages; Actually I don't regard the g and ch in Dutch as glottal stops at all. Yes, they are guttural but not stopped. Aslo there are many Aboriginal Australian languages which have really good glottal stops in them. In the Gupapuynggu family of languages of Nth East Arnhem Land, the glottal stop is actually a letter in their alphabet and written with an apostrophe, e.g.:- wangalili' ngarra marrtji - to home I go. David in Ballarat And, to finish, here's a delicious (love the multiple meanings g) addition to the original Van Gogh's Family Tree: From: R.P. When I forwarded the Van Gogh joke, my malacologist friend (studies snails) replied with this: And of course, his snail-eating French cousin... Escar Gogh -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Humour
Dear Friends, I'm biting the bullet here - don't mean to offend anyone, but it did make me laugh David in Ballarat The train was quite crowded, so the U. S. Marine walked the entire length looking for a seat, but the only seat left was taken by a well-dressed, middle-aged, French woman's poodle The war-weary Marine asked, Ma'am, may I have that seat? The French woman just sniffed and said to no one in particular, Americans are so rude. My little Fifi is using that seat. The Marine walked the entire train again, but the only seat left was under that dog. Please, ma'am. May I sit down? I'm very tired. She snorted, Not only are you Americans rude, you are also arrogant! This time the Marine didn't say a word, he just picked up the little dog, tossed it out the train window, and sat down. The woman shrieked, Someone must defend my honor! Put this American in his place! An English gentleman sitting nearby spoke up, Sir, you Americans often seem to have a penchant for doing the wrong thing. You hold the fork in the wrong hand. You drive your cars on the wrong side of the road. And now, sir, you've thrown the wrong bitch out the window. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: [lace-chat] These..laugh/books in order
Hi everyone and Jenny who wrote: in 7th century China - are there many books in the series? Is it also a trait of lacemakers that we have to read books in orderg. I have to Not this lacemaker ;) If it happens that I have the chance, I would read them in order, but if not, I read them as I have them. Also I read the end of a book first so I don't get overanxious about the story arc :p I did read the first Diana Gabaldon Highlander book first, skipped through the second, and didn't bother with the others until Fiery Cross, read all but one segment of that, and I won't bother reading her last one when or if it is out. I've been reading any and all Mary Stewarts, though hers are novels and needn't be read in order (except the Merlin trilogy - which I read out of order but only because that's how the books happened by, including the '4th' one) um, where was I - I think it is useful for reading a career writer's work to begin at their beginning, but not something I adhere to. What I am reading now, the first of Alex. McCall Smith's 'series' beginning with the No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency. -- bye for now Bev in Sooke, BC (recovering from a heat wave on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) Cdn. floral bobbins www.woodhavenbobbins.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: [lace-chat] Star Wars...
Hi Jane and everyone No I haven't seen it, yes I'm going to - 2 of my adult sons went and want to go again. The one, a techno-geek, liked the cool FX; the other appreciated the story resolution. I don't know if George Lucas can be saved from himself, I still like the 'second' (= the 5th episode)(talk about viewing stuff out of order LOL) best, he is a brilliant producer, a stifling director and a plain bad writer :p I highly recommend buying the soundtrack to Revenge of the Sith - the bonus DVD is worth every penny (in fact I consider I had paid for the music dvd, and got a bonus soundtrack). It is an hour-long encapsulation of the entire 6 movies, with elegant intro. to each segment by a most un-Palpatine Ian McDiarmid, and including footage from RotS. The sound and visuals are stunning technical achievements, best seen on the most up-to-date viewing device (with digital output) but not bad at all on an aging television set and cheapie surround sound system. -- bye for now Bev (Sky)Walker in Sooke, BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) Cdn. floral bobbins www.woodhavenbobbins.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Weekend Residential Workshops
Dear Arachnes To all of those that have notified me that my website was down over the past year, at last please note the new website address; www.greatescapes-weekends.com http://www.greatescapes-weekends.com/ After a year of computer problems, I 'think' we are up and running now and I'm hoping to have more time again for Arachne! The website is still officially 'under construction' but the links all work and the information is all there. To any of you within reach of my venues you are welcome to drop in and see what is going on on any of my weekends. The tutors usually put on very good displays of their work. It is great to see the pieces from the books in real life. There is always the 'work in progress' to look at too! I hope to see some of you somewhere. Best wishes. Jane Dickinson, organiser of Great Escapes Lace, Bead Embroidery Weekends East Sussex, UK To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Motivation in Star Wars
I didn't in fact find the motivation thin - I found it classically tragic, on the lines of the cause of the murder of Oedipus... -- -- Martha Krieg [EMAIL PROTECTED] in Michigan To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Japanese mysteries
On May 30, 2005, at 3:41, Jenny Barron wrote: that sounds interesting Tamara, I loved Robert Van Gulik's Judge Dee series set in 7th century China I liked those too, but like these better :) - are there many books in the series? 9 so far: 1) Shinju, 2) Bundori, 3) The Way of the Traitor, 4) The Concubine's Tattoo, 5) The Samurai's Wife, 6) Black Lotus, 7) The Pillow Book of Lady Wisteria, 8) The Dragon King's Palace and 9) The Perfumed Sleeve. At least... There may be 10, but only 9 are available in paperback. And I can't check, because the last one is still on its way to me (usually, the paperback has a preeview of the forthcoming hardback). I had confirmation that it had been sent, so it seemed safe enough to start reading the series; the books are fairly long, and, with luck, the last one will reach me by the time I'm ready for it g Is it also a trait of lacemakers that we have to read books in orderg. Probably nothing to do with lacemaking and all to do with personality traits (I'm a tad obsessive g), but I like to read a series in order. I'm as much interested in the life and development of the recurring characters, as I am in the central plot/mystery (possibly even more g). And, given my bad memory, I'm not likely to make much sense of that, unless I read the books in order. When I came accross The Way of the Traitor at my library, it looked interesting and I checked it out. Only to discover that it was the 3rd in a series, and the library didn't have the first two... :( So, I bought them, read them, then gave them to the library *before* checking out #3 again and finally reading it :) Afterwards, I made sure I read each book as it came out - or so I thought. But, recently, I discovered #8 on the new books shelf, and found that I had missed #7. And, again, the library didn't have it... Enough was enough, and I decided to get the whole series for myself. It'll now be always to hand if I want to check a detail, and I won't have to watch the library shelves, but the lists of new stuff on Amazon or Barnes and Noble (and then can order it from my local bookstore). Same story on another favourite mystery series of mine: Sharan Newman's Catherine LeVendeur series (12thc France mostly, but one book was set in England and one in Germany). Of the 7 books (published as paperbacks) to date, I've read 5 and now own 5 (but not the same 5 g). The remaining 2 are on their way to me. When I've finished reading about Ichiru and Reiko (his wife), I'll enjoy reacquainting myself with Catherine and Edgar (her husband). In proper order :) -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] :) Fwd: Cats
Just so... :) From: B.R. Four men were bragging about how smart their cats are. The first man was an Engineer, the second man was an Accountant, the third man was a Chemist, the fourth was a Government Employee. To show off, the Engineer called to his cat,T-square, do your stuff. T-square pranced over to a desk, took out some paper and a pen and promptly drew a circle, a square, and a triangle. Everyone agreed that was pretty smart. But the Accountant said his cat could do better. He called his cat and said, Spreadsheet, do your stuff. Spreadsheet went out into the kitchen and returned with a dozen cookies. He divided them into 4 equal piles of 3 cookies each. Everyone agreed that was good. But the Chemist said his cat could do better. He called his cat and said,Measure, do your stuff. Measure got up, walked over to the fridge, took out a quart of milk, got a 10 ounce glass from the cupboard and poured exactly 8 ounces without spilling a drop. Everyone agreed that was good. Then the three men turned to the Government Employee and said, What can your cat do? The Government Worker called to his cat and said,Coffee-Break, do your stuff. Coffee-Break jumped to his feet, ate the cookies, drank the milk, cr*pped on the paper, screwed the other three cats, claimed he injured his back while doing so, filed a grievance report for unsafe working conditions, put in for Workers Compensation and went home for the rest of the day on sick leave. -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] :) Fwd: St. Peter
Another Pearly Gates one; they tend to be really good... From: B.R. Three men died on Christmas Eve and were met by Saint Peter at the Pearly Gates. In honor of this holy season, Saint Peter said, You must each possess something that symbolizes Christmas to get into heaven. The first man fumbled through his pockets and pulled out a lighter. He flicked it on. It represents a candle, he said. You may pass through the Pearly Gates, Saint Peter said. The second man reached into his pocket and pulled out a set of keys. He shook them and said, They're bells. Saint Peter said, You may pass through the Pearly Gates. The third man started searching desperately through his pockets and finally pulled out a pair of women's panties. St. Peter looked at the man with a raised eyebrow and asked, And just what do those symbolize? The man replied, These are Carols. -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: Van Gogh's family tree
Jean Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only works in the UK because we know van Gogh is pronounced 'van Go' in the US. The UK tends to pronounce it 'van Goff'. and I replied: And in the Netherlands, they pronounce it with a difficult, I don't know, glottal? sound. and Tamara P Duvall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tamara, say gracht (canal) I'd do my best (imagine choking on a chicken bone twice, with an aaah in the middle), and the room would explode in friendly laughter; ah... they'd say, you *might* 'make it' in *Belgium*, but, in Netherlands, you need to practice a lot more... Glottal is right, Lynn; we have trouble coping with it because, except for the Netherlands version of Dutch, glottal stops of that intensity are used only in African and Arabic languages; all European ones are much more gentle :) Yeah, I can hear it in my head, but I can't *make* that sound voluntarily. At least not when I am healthy! Now in the middle of the winter, in the middle of the second cold (the one that followed right on the heels of the first cold), I might wake up in the middle of the night making similar noises, but at that point I'm trying to breathe, rather than communicate. Lynn Carpenter in SW Michigan, USA alwen at i2k dot com Who confesses to being mostly Dutch -- you can't tell a thing from last names! To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: pronunciation
Jean Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know about anyone else, but when I read the emails from the list, Tamara, Joy, Lynn, Pam, Joy and everyone else have all written them in a slight 'East End of London' accent because that's how I speak so that's how I read them. And I mostly hear you guys (that's Michigan-accent for y'all) with my undetectable-to-me Michigan accent. http://www.michigannative.com/ma_home.shtml :) Lynn Carpenter in SW Michigan, USA alwen at i2k dot com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: pronunciation
Lynn, This site is a hoot! Yes, lots of people around here DO talk like that -- not so much the college-educated ones, but definitely the clerks at Walmart's! (One addition: He wonders why it's ink pen. Undoubtedly that is a result of the immigration of factory workers from the South, where some dialects have the same vowel in pen as in pin. Since you don't want a lace-making pin to write a check with, you'd have to specify an ink pen. An awful lot depends on the family you were brought up in, too. My father originally wanted to be a radio announcer, so he taught himself standard American instead of rural western Ohio in the 30's, so we learned a relatively neutral dialect. Lots of people in my home town in Ohio did say warsh and punkin (pumpkin) - but it was never heard from any of my family. Dad spent his life as an industrial power salesman for the electric utility, rather than on the radio, but undoubtedly the higher-class accent was a useful thing for him in that as well. At 9:31 PM -0400 5/30/05, Lynn Carpenter wrote: Jean Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know about anyone else, but when I read the emails from the list, Tamara, Joy, Lynn, Pam, Joy and everyone else have all written them in a slight 'East End of London' accent because that's how I speak so that's how I read them. And I mostly hear you guys (that's Michigan-accent for y'all) with my undetectable-to-me Michigan accent. http://www.michigannative.com/ma_home.shtml :) Lynn Carpenter in SW Michigan, USA alwen at i2k dot com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Martha Krieg [EMAIL PROTECTED] in Michigan To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
