[lace] More about modern
Dear Devon -- No doubt this will run to several e-mails. I hadn't realized that my own modern pot was boiling over. Yes, of course, a traditional Bucks pattern made now wouldn't be the modern that we are reaching for, no matter how beautiful it might be, black silk, beads, etc. But nevertheless there is something lying dormant in the Point de Lille technique that has yet to be exploited by a design that could only arise in our own time. Which brings me to my favorite Headache of the Year. I keep thinking about this all the time. Technique and Design. Technique and Design. One without the other and all you've got is virtuosity, not a real plunge into the current current. I guess what started me thinking about this is the present rage for Binche. Twenty years ago nobody thought twice about Binche. Just another Flemish lace. In 1988 (20 years ago, good God!) I wrote the catalogue for the Walters Art Museum's first and only lace exhibit, and I notice how I fluffed off Binche with the merest mention (...never fully evolved in design...now being revived as esoteric studies for accomplished amateurs...). It is indeed, and still, not well evolved, designwise, but the rage for the technique is currently boiling hot and my patient little cry for better Binche design goes absolutely unheard, for the moment. I expect that in another decade or two, when the technique has been well absorbed, and doesn't carry any special cachet, somebody will quietly float an original Binche design that could never have been dreamed up in an earlier century. All of a sudden we will see the endless possibilities of snowflakes. ((By the way, the Walters catalogue is a beauty; they outdid themselves. If the Ratti library doesn't have a copy, let me know and I'll send you one)) What you say about wire lace is very much to my point. Just because the wire medium is new (or unconventional?) isn't enough to make a wire piece modern. Something about the design has to have been propelled into existence out of the stringencies of wire technique. So far, all the wire lace I've seen (not very much, as yet) seems to have derived from thread lace patterns. I love Jane Atkinson. When I came upon her Pattern Design twenty years ago, I nearly died of joy. I haven't seen any of her later work, though. Where is it to be seen? And as to my own work: I don't know how to describe what I do. I suppose you saw my Gardening in Winter (a fan with ferns as the design) on the cover of the Bulletin one or two issues ago. The ground is made of gold metal thread in a logarithmic pattern, so that it isn't quiet, but flexes and relaxes in waves (I guess my idea was to give it life; or something; I don't know what I had in mind, I just galloped slowly along). The ferns in the pattern are made of various green silks in needle lace. How naturalistic they might be I don't know. I did get a letter from a reader inquiring whether they were real ferns that I had glued on!! My son, a cardiologist in Michigan and a virtuoso lace knitter (200/2 silk knitted with angioplasty wires!) is just now taking up bobbin lace (no, not at his mother's urging), so we'll see what the next generation produces. I made the attached wall-hanging for him. Also needle plus bobbin. Let me know what you think (and I have more to say!) -- Aurelia * This e-mail is confidential, the property of NDS Ltd and intended for the addressee only. Any dissemination, copying or distribution of this message or any attachments by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and destroy the original message. Messages sent to and from NDS may be monitored. NDS cannot guarantee any message delivery method is secure or error-free. Information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. We do not accept responsibility for any errors or omissions in this message and/or attachment that arise as a result of transmission. You should carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of NDS. NDS Limited Registered office: One Heathrow Boulevard, 286 Bath Road, West Drayton, Middlesex, UB7 0DQ, United Kingdom. A company registered in England and Wales Registered no. 3080780 VAT no. GB 603 8808 40-00 To protect the environment please do not print this e-mail unless necessary. ** - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] 2nd Annual Winter Lace Conference, Costa Mesa, CA
Posted on behalf of Belinda Belisle: The 2nd Annual Winter Lace Conference will be held on Presidents' Weekend in Costa Mesa, California on February 15-18, 2008. The Conference includes two days of classes--with an additional add on day on Monday. This year's classes include Beds and Cluny with Holly VanSciver, Bucks with Bridget Cook, Flanders with Kathy Kauffman, Italian Cantu with Betty Manfre, Milanese with Louise Colgan, Tatting?a Self-improvement workshop with Georgia Seitz, Withof with Susie Johnson. Two special, limited enrollment advanced lacers' workshops will be held on Friday: Bucks with Bridget Cook and Withof with Susie Johnson. Highlights of the conference include three days of lace classes, vendor hall, special banquet, book signing, and presentation! For more information, contact Belinda Belisle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or Betty Ward at [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] More about modern
For those interesting in this subject have a look at B. Fays website, I hope it is there, for the book 3 knots - 100 ways from Gry Hvidberg. It sounds as if it is something for us. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] modern/ Jane Atkinson
One problem, I think is, ironically, how long it takes to make lace. Devon that's absolutly tru but meanwhile I could fill a small gallery with only my works what makes problem storing them in our flat. And because there is no gallery at the moment to show them I put a serie of pictures taken from one piece actually two of the same shape, to show you that there are possibilities to work several our on one piece but afterwards have one you can decoraate every day in another way. See under: http://community.webshots.com/album/91823605klvXEA?start=12 And find out if you like it or not. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Ells and other old measurement
According to How heavy, How Much and How long by Colin R Chapman a lot of old measurements were based parts of the (male!) human body. A foot is 12 inches or 16 digits. A digit is the width of a man's middle finger at the base of the nail and an inch the width of his thumb at the base of the nail. A yard was the distance measured by King Henry I between the tip of his nose and the tip of his middle finger with his arm outstretched. The same book states that an English ell is 45 inches whilst a French ell is 54 inches. Brenda On 29 Jul 2007, at 04:36, Tamara P Duvall wrote: On Jul 28, 2007, at 17:52, bevw wrote: An ell is about 45 inches. Does that help? It is an English measure. Perhaps there is a French measure which the wooden piece would represent. On 7/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Assuming it has anything to do with lace at all, could it be the measuring device for an ell of lace, which was the increment in which lace was sold. Some of the old measuring devices/terminology are thought-provoking. Take, for example, a foot... When did it become 12 inches (ca 20cm)? My foot is nowhere near that, though my husband's closer. In pre WWI Poland, all textiles used to be sold by an elbow (lokiec) -- a measure which was based on the length of an arm between the elbow and the wrist. I never even knew how much that was but (have only met the term in books), checking on the Polish version of Wikipedia, I found that it varied -- from century to century and from region to region. The shortest (and most common g) was 50.6cm (just short of 20 inches) and the longest was 77.9cm (30.5 inches). So, I expect, the French would have had some such measure too, before the French Revolution (which brought us the metric system and the lovely decimals). -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brenda in Allhallows, Kent http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Ells and other old measurement
Hi All, The measurement from King Henry I's nose to tip of middle finger made me think - when I tell my students how much thread (very 'ish' measurements, I might add) I always say So many noses - which is the length from nose to outstretched arm.I have never given much thought to this - I learned it as a child, doing embroidery, long before lace - but wonder if it could be a throw-back to this very early measurement! CArol - in Suffolk UK - Original Message - From: Brenda Paternoster Subject: [lace] Ells and other old measurement King Henry I between the tip of his nose and the tip of his middle finger with his arm outstretched. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Ells and other old measurement
We had the same measurement in Germany. A Elle in German is one of the forearm bones as in English too. And in former time the salesman measures the textiles or similiar things along their forearm. And it was between 50 and 80 cm. We have also an old saying: Etwas mit der Elle messen - measering something with the ell. What means you handle it indiscriminate. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] modern lace -the prequel
Tamara writes: Don't know how this -- what looks like a part of a private correspondence -- wound its way onto Arachne, but I find the subject fascinating and am grateful for the mysteries of the e-space which made it public :) To explain, Aurelia sent me an email that, in retrospect, I think she intended for the list. I hope I do not violate e etiquette when I quote it. Dear Devon -- What qualifies as modern lace, would you say? I don't use existing patterns, I make my own -- is that modern? All the lace I have made over the past seven years is 21stCentury lace -- is that modern? Then there is that woman in Belgium with the funny name (can't think what it is, at the moment) who has been working very hard over the last 25 years or so to acquaint the world with contemporary lace. (Hideous stuff, to my mind) Does that qualifu? I'd love to read an expanded piece by you on the topic. -- Aurelia My response, was more or less the following. I guess I would have to expand my thoughts to write such a piece. I hadn't really given it much thought. I guess I am trying to distinguish the antique lace we buy, from something with 20th and 21st century eye-appeal. I suppose a traditional Bucks pattern made now, even designed now, would not fit my idea of modern. I actually tend think of the Weiner Werkstatte type lace as modern. The term contemporary has been used to apply to very experimental type lace. I even find myself, now, thinking about how our image of contemporary lace actually brings to mind lace being made in the 1970's and that that was different in style from the lace actually being made now by those edgy lacemakers who all seem to reside in Europe. Is your work modern, or are the appropriate terms timeless or classic? Now that we have conquered the terminology question about what a whole stitch is, perhaps we should take this one up. As perhaps you may recall, the Campaign for Modern Lace was conceived to encourage people to send me free modern lace gifts which I would then wear to fancy places in the hope of inspiring the art buying public into embracing new style lace to provide a boost for new style lacemakers. I wore a wire lace piece to the Christmas Revels in New York, the year before last, not admittedly the place where well-heeled art lovers hang out, but none the less, a sort of odd ball bohemian/folk atmosphere. This year there was another woman there wearing something that looked a lot like wire lace and many remarks from my party indicated that headway was slow, but possibly not non-existent. Actually, I exhibited a jewelry box of the wire work of Susan Lambiris, Tamara, myself and Debra Jenny at the lacemaking demonstration at the Museum of Arts and Design, formerly the American Craft Museum. It was very well received by the public who attended the event, many of whom were fiber and other artists. The head of the docent program and the education program suggested that we should be contacting the Museum to sell it there. However, I don't think my work is finished looking enough, and there isn't much of it. Susan Lambiris cannot seem to assemble enough pieces to submit as a line to a gallery such as Julie's, because she keeps selling them personally and working on commission. So, even if I inspired a panic to own wire and modern lace, there doesn't seem to be a supply. I am a member of the Textile Study Group of New York and they actually rented a gallery to show the work of their members who had not yet hit it big. I didn't enter anything. However, when I saw the quality of the other entries, I could have kicked myself, because my work was probably no worse. Let's see if they do it again. I consider Jane Atkinson's work to be contemporary. Your remarks make me realize that I should probably develop some explanation for these designations instead of just throwing around terms I am unable to properly define. What are your thoughts on contemporary, vs. modern, and whether your work is aptly described as either? Then Aurelia sent her very thoughtful response to the list as a whole- and that is where the conversation took off. Does anyone else have anything to offer about what modern lace is? Or contemporary lace? It is a good question. Devon ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] modern lace -the prequel
It is a good question. I don't think I am the people which can decide what's modern or not but I try to write down my thoughts about this subject. I am afraid I can't explain it well enough in English, but I do my very best. Working the traditional bobbin lace techniques today is necessairy to learn them but even we make today design patterns it is the old thing. For not being misunderstood I tell you I liked to do nearly all traditional techniques. I remark after a while that I prefere the fine ones, like Point Ground laces or Binche more then the others. I like Torchon because of its variety and it's clear look. But since along time I had a feeling there must be more than that and what I do are replicas from former time. So I keep my eyes open for classes where I could perhaps learning how to design laces. The next step was that in one yearly meeting we had always a theme for next years meeting. So I tried to make something of my one showing this theme like my Harz-picture. Than I saw collars from Jana Novak and I liked some of them than the time for the white brave little collar was over. So I had a new subject. The next was unusual corners for handkerchiefs and meanwhile I make things I can't wear they are more as decoration in a room or so. And I used unusual materials, not only wire. And in my opion these are the laces which show our time that's why I name them contemporary. But i didn't think enough what's better contemporary or modern. I like this sort of lacemaking and I have so many ideas and so less time but nevertheless there are patterns in traditional lace I will work also. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Measurments
Measurementsd are tricky. In Israel there are still places where they measure the yardage from nose tip to arm length. This might give you about a meter. Several years ago I bought some fabric in Jerusalem and they still used this system. Miriam in a very hot Arad, Israel Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 23:36:16 -0400 From: Tamara P Duvall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [lace] Re: What is this? On Jul 28, 2007, at 17:52, bevw wrote: An ell is about 45 inches. Does that help? It is an English measure. Perhaps there is a French measure which the wooden piece would represent. On 7/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Assuming it has anything to do with lace at all, could it be the measuring device for an ell of lace, which was the increment in which lace was sold. Some of the old measuring devices/terminology are thought-provoking. Take, for example, a foot... When did it become 12 inches (ca 20cm)? My foot is nowhere near that, though my husband's closer. In pre WWI Poland, all textiles used to be sold by an elbow (lokiec) -- a measure which was based on the length of an arm between the elbow and the wrist. I never even knew how much that was but (have only met the term in books), checking on the Polish version of Wikipedia, I found that it varied -- from century to century and from region to region. The shortest (and most common g) was 50.6cm (just short of 20 inches) and the longest was 77.9cm (30.5 inches). So, I expect, the French would have had some such measure too, before the French Revolution (which brought us the metric system and the lovely decimals). - -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] modern lace -the prequel
In Art History, the terms modern and contemporary are sometimes used interchangeably. In my own mind, however, I am inclined to use modern for a style that is a complete departure from anything that has preceded it (Jackson Pollock comes to mind, although I admit his style resembled a house-painter's drop cloth), and contemporary for a piece that uses old techniques in fresh new ways, and (sometimes) reflects something about the culture in which it is made. I think it is important to look at the development of lace style over the centuries (not THAT many, after all...) and then compare that to the developent of painting styles, sculpture, etc. Those media have enjoyed an unbroken line of patronism since the end of the middle ages, which has supported their constant shifts in allegance to the brightest and the best. Lace, OTOH, nearly died out completely 100 years ago, and only really began its wonderful renaissance in the last 50 years - but without the patronage that the old lace enjoyed. While lacemakers have been eager to learn new skills, they are focusing on the classics - just as artists in other media do when they first learn. In Europe, where the renaissance was more like a silent rekindling of the flames, the lacemakers have become much more unfettered in their approach. Some of this lace is stunning, some of it is... not. But remember, for every Rembrandt and Vermeer and Monet, there were many more painters who worked hard, but did not have the magic to surpass the masters. Many artists are not recognized as pivotal in their fields until well after their deaths. So... it is really unrealistic for us to expect to say whose lace will be important in the future, and which lace will become yesterday's dish towel. Some of the edgy lace being designed in Europe today may well be viewed as pivotal - not because it was an immediate hit, but because it made other designers think in new ways and ultimately develop something which appeals to a wider audience. I am one of the people that Aurelia refers to when she speaks of the present rage for Binche! I am happy to explore the endless mysteries of the queen of laces, as I think of it. The more I learn, the more I need to know. I don't think Binche should be dismissed as just another Flemish lace... although even there, that should be seen as an accolade! The laces of Belgium remain some of the most exquisite ever made, and it is no wonder that other countries had to impose embargos on importing lace! My efforts at reconstruction during workshops, last summer and this summer, have given me a huge appreciation for those sturdy scholars who have worked to hard to bring some of this stunning old lace into the hands of today's lacemakers. And finally, the question of modern/contemporary vs. classic needs to be viewed from the perspective of the lacemaker today. Most lacemakers (I am in this group) make lace for pleasure and personal satisfaction. Some design, for the enjoyment of others, but not with personal gain as a goal (Tamara Duvall comes to mind), and others enjoy teaching, and find that they also have a knack for design. But within the field of Binche, there are precious few designers. The Master Class at the Kantcentrum has been producing some very nice designs for the past five or ten years. Their designs are very much dependent on classic technique, but the subjects are new. Anny Noben's work is probably the best known, as she travels to the US each summer for IOLI and other workshops around the country. But even her small designs take hours and hours and hours to get from her head to the printers. And once in the hands of today's lacemaker (who usually has at least a few other obligations i n her life to keep her from being at the pillow all the time), a small round motif can take as much as six months or more to make! Still, the volume of lace produced by one lacemaker after all the study, all the teaching, all the designing, can often be tucked into an archivally safe display book. Without a market, or even a venue for display, the only voice is that of the lacemaker. If the lace is accessible, it becomes popular. If it is not... then it remains in obscurity, or becomes the focus of those who want to move beyond intermediate to something that requires more time and focus. Clay -- Clay Blackwell Lynchburg, VA USA Tamara writes: Don't know how this -- what looks like a part of a private correspondence -- wound its way onto Arachne, but I find the subject fascinating and am grateful for the mysteries of the e-space which made it public :) And Devon responded: Does anyone else have anything to offer about what modern lace is? Or contemporary lace? It is a good question. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] modern lace -the prequel
VERY well put, Ilske! As you are definitely designing, and your work is quite attractive, I think you are a perfect person to respond to the question. Thank you! Clay -- Clay Blackwell Lynchburg, VA USA -- Original message -- From: Ilske Thomsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is a good question. I don't think I am the people which can decide what's modern or not but I try to write down my thoughts about this subject. I am afraid I can't explain it well enough in English, but I do my very best. Working the traditional bobbin lace techniques today is necessairy to learn them but even we make today design patterns it is the old thing. For not being misunderstood I tell you I liked to do nearly all traditional techniques. I remark after a while that I prefere the fine ones, like Point Ground laces or Binche more then the others. I like Torchon because of its variety and it's clear look. But since along time I had a feeling there must be more than that and what I do are replicas from former time. So I keep my eyes open for classes where I could perhaps learning how to design laces. The next step was that in one yearly meeting we had always a theme for next years meeting. So I tried to make something of my one showing this theme like my Harz-picture. Than I saw collars from Jana Novak and I liked some of them than the time for the white brave little collar was over. So I had a new subject. The next was unusual corners for handkerchiefs and meanwhile I make things I can't wear they are more as decoration in a room or so. And I used unusual materials, not only wire. And in my opion these are the laces which show our time that's why I name them contemporary. But i didn't think enough what's better contemporary or modern. I like this sort of lacemaking and I have so many ideas and so less time but nevertheless there are patterns in traditional lace I will work also. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] modern- more
Let us not forget that there is some very interesting work being done by Japanese designers. I believe Wako Ono has had an exhibit. Also Junko Samejima was due to have one. Many of these designers are employing Flemish or English technique but producing designs with a Japanese eye. Perhaps it would be fun to imagine that we were going to have a gallery show of modern/contemporary lace, sample title Is it modern or is it contemporary, and who we would include in such a dream team show. I think a list would include: Anny Nobens Lenka Suchanek Susan Lambiris Aurelia- of course Wako Ono Junko Samejima Jana Novak Ilske Jane Atkinson maybe those people who make the wire fences Jane has pointed out the website _http://www.glofab.se/nordiska_museet_content.html_ (http://www.glofab.se/nordiska_museet_content.html) , or actually the entire _www.glofab.se_ (http://www.glofab.se) site which contains some very interesting examples of modern lace This list is off the top of my head in about a minute and not thought out, but who else do you think should be on it? Devon ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] modern- more
Robin Lewis-Wild, although I don't know what else she might have done, she did make the gi-normous hanging, like a Torchon bookmark in rope. a few decades ago. The Austria-Spitze lace artisans, too - for their flowing definitely not traditional designs cogent with the Art Nouveau movement - and using only 3 pairs of bobbins (impressive to the lace techno-geek, if no-one else) . The term 'modern' is an art category, as we also have 'post-modern' 'contemporary' can mean right now, or at-the-same-time-as something of a much earlier era (e.g. contemporary with 'Bedfordshire' lace). A term I'm seeing now is 'creative bobbin lace' or 'creative Torchon' - meaning that they use the conventional techniques in a new way. This list is off the top of my head in about a minute and not thought out, but who else do you think should be on it? -- Bev in Sooke BC (on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Modern Lace Dream Team
Also, there was a piece at the Convention in Montreal made by a Canadian artist which was very modern. Now, I can't recall her name. But she had made a free standing piece out of wire of Honiton type grounds which looked like it had been cut jaggedly, also a wire lace bird. Devon ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] modern- more
What fun! What a wonderful idea! A virtual gallery all our own! Yes, yes, yes! Aurelia Let us not forget that there is some very interesting work being done by Japanese designers. I believe Wako Ono has had an exhibit. Also Junko Samejima was due to have one. Many of these designers are employing Flemish or English technique but producing designs with a Japanese eye. Perhaps it would be fun to imagine that we were going to have a gallery show of modern/contemporary lace, sample title Is it modern or is it contemporary, and who we would include in such a dream team show. I think a list would include: Anny Nobens Lenka Suchanek Susan Lambiris Aurelia- of course Wako Ono Junko Samejima Jana Novak Ilske Jane Atkinson maybe those people who make the wire fences Jane has pointed out the website _http://www.glofab.se/nordiska_museet_content.html_ (http://www.glofab.se/nordiska_museet_content.html) , or actually the entire _www.glofab.se_ (http://www.glofab.se) site which contains some very interesting examples of modern lace This list is off the top of my head in about a minute and not thought out, but who else do you think should be on it? Devon ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Pictures of Seven winners
We've now added a gallery of pictures of the Trophy and Award winners
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signature) - just click on the small blue Seven logo at top centre of
the Welcome page. ('Refresh' or 'Empty the Cache' if you don't see
it.)
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[lace] Rage
My phrase a rage for Binche was not meant as a putdown. Not at all. My prequel to Devon said Technique and Design, not Technique OR Design. In fact I think (not an original thought) that it is constant refining and pushing of orthodox techniques that ultimately produces breakthroughs in ideas (design). Incidentally, and as an aside, I am waiting for some wire genius to exploit the memory feature of wire (thread hasn't got that talent), but that's what virtuoso performers are all about. Well, now that dear Clay has taken a nutty little drift of thought and made it respectable and desirable, what's our next step? How do we begin to establish our gallery? And what is the distinction between modern and contemporary? My only stipulation would be that nothing ugly or clumsy be entered in our gallery. Let us not forget that the fundamental nature of lace is __elegance. P.S. And yes, will I ever forget my wowed reaction when a Bulletin came in, a year or two ago, with Janice Blair's Mask on it? Just my idea of everything modern, contemporary, elegant and plain gorgeous. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Ells and other old measurement
This line reminds me of my first lovely lace tutor who now sadly suffers with Alzheimer's she used to say wind on three armfuls of thread onto the bobbins and would pull off three arm lengths from chin to the end of fingers. Sue M Harvey Norfolk UK -- Subject: Re: [lace] Ells and other old measurement Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: 10/07/2007 17:44 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Puncetto knotted needle lace
Yesterday I was told about this YouTube movie which shows the making of Puncetto lace. Puncetto is a lace made in the Italian Alps around Valsesia. Traditionally it was worn on the blouses around the neck and cuffs and set into the shoulder seams. Very hard wearing and very beautiful. I learnt to make Puncetto at the first Italia Invita Congress in Rimini in 2003. It is pronounced Poonchetto enjoy HYPERLINK http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XweZDJ7vKc4http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X weZDJ7vKc4 Annette Meldrum In sunny but fresh Wollongong, NSW Australia No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.23/924 - Release Date: 28/07/2007 3:50 PM - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Rage
My first suggestion is that our eagle-eyed Miss Aurelia be chairperson of the vetting committee!! I like your criteria, Miss A!! (I think that ugly or clumsy and lace do not belong in the same sentence - not to mention the same show!!) And my other observations are... A) Does it matter, at this point, what the distinction is between modern and contemporary? ... that point can be refined as our show evolves... and B) We can begin to assemble our gallery before we find our web-master. and C) To truly appreciate modern OR contemporary, it would be nice to have some elegant examples of old laces (made by modern lacemakers), as a way of educating the rest of the world who may have no idea at all what old lace looks like - beyond what they see at the local craft store. (shudder...)... And while I'm on a roll, those gifted artists who represent the brightest and the best may find that more exposure means more demand for their designs... thus prompting more designs. Hm... 21st Century patronage!! Well... Leonardo didn't get famous overnight either!! Clay -- Clay Blackwell Lynchburg, VA USA -- Original message -- From: Aurelia Loveman [EMAIL PROTECTED] My phrase a rage for Binche was not meant as a putdown. Not at all. My prequel to Devon said Technique and Design, not Technique OR Design. In fact I think (not an original thought) that it is constant refining and pushing of orthodox techniques that ultimately produces breakthroughs in ideas (design). Incidentally, and as an aside, I am waiting for some wire genius to exploit the memory feature of wire (thread hasn't got that talent), but that's what virtuoso performers are all about. Well, now that dear Clay has taken a nutty little drift of thought and made it respectable and desirable, what's our next step? How do we begin to establish our gallery? And what is the distinction between modern and contemporary? My only stipulation would be that nothing ugly or clumsy be entered in our gallery. Let us not forget that the fundamental nature of lace is __elegance. P.S. And yes, will I ever forget my wowed reaction when a Bulletin came in, a year or two ago, with Janice Blair's Mask on it? Just my idea of everything modern, contemporary, elegant and plain gorgeous. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Puncetto knotted needle lace
Thanks for posting the link Annette - that's gorgeous, and I love the simplicity of just the needle and thread creating the lace - no pillow, no laying a trace etc etc. Do you know of any books with Puncetto technique details? Jen in Melbourne, Australia - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Puncetto knotted needle lace
The best reference is the Anchor Manual of Needlework Chapter 11. I bought a book in Italy but it is in Italian and I think it is out of print. Manuale del puncetto valsesiano by Angela Petterino Camaschella. Valsesia Editrice, Borgosesia 1992. No ISBN. If you google Puncetto you will also find some good sites. Enjoy Annette Meldrum -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Audsley Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 10:01 AM To: lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] Puncetto knotted needle lace Thanks for posting the link Annette - that's gorgeous, and I love the simplicity of just the needle and thread creating the lace - no pillow, no laying a trace etc etc. Do you know of any books with Puncetto technique details? Jen in Melbourne, Australia - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.23/924 - Release Date: 28/07/2007 3:50 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.23/924 - Release Date: 28/07/2007 3:50 PM - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Puncetto knotted needle lace
Dear Annette and spiders -- I have an edition of the Anchor Manual that was published in 1974 by Charles Branford Co. of Massachusetts and is of course in English. Its chapter XXI is devoted to puncetto and it is drop-dead gorgeous! I should think Amazon or BN or one of those online booksellers could find one. Aurelia Catonsville, MD The best reference is the Anchor Manual of Needlework Chapter 11. I bought a book in Italy but it is in Italian and I think it is out of print. Manuale del puncetto valsesiano by Angela Petterino Camaschella. Valsesia Editrice, Borgosesia 1992. No ISBN. If you google Puncetto you will also find some good sites. Enjoy Annette Meldrum -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Audsley Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 10:01 AM To: lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] Puncetto knotted needle lace Thanks for posting the link Annette - that's gorgeous, and I love the simplicity of just the needle and thread creating the lace - no pillow, no laying a trace etc etc. Do you know of any books with Puncetto technique details? Jen in Melbourne, Australia - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.23/924 - Release Date: 28/07/2007 3:50 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.23/924 - Release Date: 28/07/2007 3:50 PM - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Puncetto knotted needle lace
Hi All, Watched the clip off Utube via the link Annette posted, yes it is lovely. Knew I had it in one of the books in my Library - found it on P 94 of the Golden Hands series, think I was collecting them in the '80s. The knots are also used in Knotted Needle lace, as in Elena Dickson's book. Interesting to watch, it is the Mediterranean Knotted Needle Lace that I have done some of. If the basic cross, twist, cross works for many types of bobbin lace, why not the same knots for different disciplines in Knotted Lace? Mary Carey Campbelltown, NSW _ Advertisement: Search for local singles online at Lavalife http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D29555_t=764581033_r=email_taglines_Search_m=EXT - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: modern- more
On Jul 29, 2007, at 14:53, Mary L. Tod wrote: This list is off the top of my head in about a minute and not thought out, but who else do you think should be on it? Devon I would also include Janice Blair and Tamara Duvall, who contribute designs regularly to the IOLI Bulletin. Thanks, Mary, but I don't think I'd meet the standards :) Actually, although I do try to, both, use the old techniques in slightly different ways and (to) modify old techniques slightly to suit the needs of my patterns, I don't think of myself as being an artist-designer and certainly not a modern one. Contemporary, perhaps, in the sense that I design with (con), or within, my own times (tempora). But not modern, as I understand modern -- pushing the envelope of shapes and fibers drastically (dare I say in a revolutionary manner? g). I lack the personality traits -- the vision, the fire and the ego -- necessary to think of pushing in the lacemaking as art direction. None of my designs are intended to be displayed at galleries and museums as something unique. All of them are meant to -- hopefully -- seduce some other lacemaker into reproducing them, perhaps learning a new trick in the process, perhaps being stimulated enough to use that trick in a design of her own. Even if that doesn't happen -- not everyone has an itch to design and work out her own patterns from scratch -- that lacemaker will have something to show for the hours of effort (and fun); an accomplishment to be proud of and to bolster her self-confidence. My goal is to appeal to the average lacemaker. Not to the art collector, not to the lace connoisseur, not even to a historian or a serious student. So I try to guess and anticipate her tastes; maybe broaden them just a tiny little stitch... But I do not try to push them into radically new dimensions, because they, mostly, match my own -- fairly pedestrian and staid and ordinary -- tastes perfectly :) If asked who, in the history of the lace world, do you identify with the most? I'd have to say it's the R.M of the Neuw Modelbuch, rather than people like Thomas Lester or Felix Aubert. Slightly off-topic, but only slightly... Here's a -- possibly cautionary -- tale of applied art textile which had been catapulted into the pure art category... http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/29/us/29quilt.html -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Ells and other old measurement
I, too, was taught to estimate yards by holding fabric to my nose. If I strike a certain pose, the measurement is fairly accurate. I learned in the early forties; no doubt Mom had learned in the teens, and her mom in the nineteenth century. -- Joy Beeson http://joybeeson.home.comcast.net/ http://roughsewing.home.comcast.net/ http://n3f.home.comcast.net/ -- Writers' Exchange west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Modern Lace Dream Team
Devon,I think you are speaking of Veronique Louppe. Nicole Le 07-07-29 à 14:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Also, there was a piece at the Convention in Montreal made by a Canadian artist which was very modern. Now, I can't recall her name. But she had made a free standing piece out of wire of Honiton type grounds which looked like it had been cut jaggedly, also a wire lace bird. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: modern- more
On Jul 29, 2007, at 13:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Devon) wrote: Perhaps it would be fun to imagine that we were going to have a gallery show of modern/contemporary lace, sample title Is it modern or is it contemporary, and who we would include in such a dream team show. I think a list would include: Anny Nobens Lenka Suchanek Susan Lambiris Aurelia- of course Wako Ono Junko Samejima Jana Novak Ilske Jane Atkinson maybe those people who make the wire fences A couple more in the US, if we're gonna sing the peans to the unsung modern designers... Elizabeth Mc Donald (of Pennsylvania; IOLI Bulletin front cover, Spring '04) Radmila Zuman http://mysite.verizon.net/rzuman/ who, like Lenka Suchanek and Jana Novak, is an expatriate from ex-Czechoslovakia, which reminds me of a couple of (ground-breaking IMO) designers still there: Milca Eremiasova: http://www.gallery.cz/gallery/cz/milca-eremiasova.html and Zdenek (?) Dolezal (?) I hope some of our Czech readers will straighten me out on this one; I'm looking for a guy who's designing dncers and all I'm finding is some 'puter geek :) Out of curiosity... How will you decide which names should or should not go into the virtual gallery of the modern/contemporary/cutting edge/creative lace designers? Since clumsy/ugly vs elegant (Aurelia's standard) is not, really, an objective measure, but a highly personal judgement? -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Modern Lace Dream Team/more
In a message dated 7/29/2007 10:44:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Out of curiosity... How will you decide which names should or should not go into the virtual gallery of the modern/contemporary/cutting edge/creative lace designers? Since clumsy/ugly vs elegant (Aurelia's standard) is not, really, an objective measure, but a highly personal judgement? I was a little concerned about this, myself, because a lot of contemporary work is ugly to some people, often because it makes a statement. Veronique Louppe's piece in which the wire was cut was beautiful and shocking at once. But I found it fascinating. My daughter, who has just graduated from college with a degree in Fine Art, concentration in sculpture, was gravitating to soft sculpture near the end and found that she was the only person in the class who thought that a piece of art could be visually appealing and still convey a meaningful message. So, at her college, at least, there are a lot of people who think art really has no business being anything but ugly. Of course, my original thought was simply to assemble a list as sort of an intellectual game, in case anyone ever asked for one. The recruitment of a web master, etc, had not occurred to me. However, in the words of the immortal Tommy Smothers, I say Take it, Dickie! to anyone who wants to go that route. For anyone who is interested, here is the website of the Members Gallery of the Textile Study Group of New York. _http://www.tsgny.org/GALLERY.html_ (http://www.tsgny.org/GALLERY.html) Devon (showing her age by referencing the Smothers Brothers) ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Help
Does anyone know a poem about bobbins that is a variation on One, Two buckle my shoe Three, Four knock at the door, etc ? Apparently there is one but I can't find it anywhere. Shirley in Corio Oz. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Help
Isn't that it, though? The whole little rhyme has BL references: One, two buckle my shoe (get ready for school - lace school) Three four out the door (going there) Five six pick up sticks (the bobbins) Seven eight lay them straight (tension?!) Nine ten, a big fat hen (pin) Eleven twelve dig and delve (hm, don't know the collection) Thirteen fourteen maids a courting (more with bobbin pairs...) Fifteen sixteen (I forget) Seventeen eighteen maids a-waiting Nineteen twenty that's a-plenty (end of repeat?) something like that anyway! -- bye for now Bev in Sooke, BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) On Sun, 29 Jul 2007, Shirley Meier wrote: Does anyone know a poem about bobbins that is a variation on One, Two buckle my shoe Three, Four knock at the door, etc ? Apparently there is one but I can't find it anywhere. Shirley in Corio Oz. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Help - oops
Here I wrote Eleven twelve dig and delve (hm, don't know the collection) and meant 'connection' - tsk - blame it on the distractions in the household clamouring for lunch... - bye for now Bev in Sooke BC (on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] :) Fwd: The Love Dress
I don't remember seeing this particular one before, though it's in the general let's bash the males some more vein, and I get quite a few of those. More funny than most, though :) From: G.R. A woman stopped by unannounced at her son's house. She knocked on the door then immediately walked in. She was shocked to see her daughter-in-law laying on the couch, totally naked. Soft music was playing, and the aroma of perfume filled the room. What are you doing? she asked. I'm waiting for Mike to come home from work, the daughter-in-law answered. But you're naked! the mother-in-law exclaimed. This is my love dress, the daughter-in-law explained. Love dress? But you're naked! Mike loves me to wear this dress, the DIL explained. It excites him no end. Every time he sees me in this dress, he instantly becomes romantic and ravages me for hours on end. He can't get enough of me. The mother-in-law left. When she got home, she undressed, showered, put on her best perfume, dimmed the lights, put on a romantic CD, and lay on the couch waiting for her husband to arrive. Finally, her husband came home. He walked in and saw her lying there so provocatively. What are you doing? he asked. This is my love dress, she whispered, sensually. Needs ironing, he said. What's for dinner? HE NEVER HEARD THE SHOT -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] :) Fwd: Marital counselling
I'm almost sure I've seen this one before, but, if so, it's worth another round. And it fits in, perfectly, with the bash the husbands theme :) From: A.N. A husband and wife came for counselling after 15 years of marriage. When asked what the problem was, the wife went into a passionate, painful tirade listing every problem they had ever had in the 15 years they'd been married. She went on and on and on: neglect, lack of intimacy, emptiness, loneliness, feeling unloved and unlovable. An entire laundry list of un-met needs she had endured over the course of their marriage . Finally, after allowing this to go on for a sufficient length of time, the therapist got up, walked around the desk and, after asking the wife to stand, he embraced her and kissed her passionately. The woman shut up and quietly sat down dumbfounded as though in a daze. The therapist turned to the husband and said, This is what your wife needs at least three times a week. Can you handle this? The husband thought for moment and replied Well, I can drop her off here on Mondays and Wednesdays, but on Fridays, I fish. -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
