Re: [lace] Ebay Biggins patterns

[Laceandbits]

"If you look at his history, he deals in all sorts and has sold more than one 
copy. Vivienne"

I would do, but as far as I can see you haven't given us a link.  This makes 
it difficult for us to write any letters of condemnation to him.

This is a typical example of the 'other side of the coin' created when e-bay 
decided to stop contact between, and to keep anonymous the identity of, 
bidders.  I appreciate that it was designed to stop crooks contacting 
underbidders 
with false offers of the same item for sale (which anyone with a modicum of 
common sense would be wary of), but it now means we cannot warn bidders that 
the 
item they are bidding on is not genuine in some way.  

Writing to the seller direct is the only remaining option left to us, and if 
enough of us do it, telling him that 'the lace world' is on to him, it may 
slow him down a bit.  Have you thought of writng to the Lace Guild, Lace 
Society 
and the Lacemaker's Circle?  A warning letter in those may help reduce his 
customer base.

Good luck Vivenne, and you may need it.  From what I have heard e-bay are 
usually fairly disinterested in this sort of matter.

Jacquie in Lincolnshire
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[lace] Binche

[Sue Fink]

To the lady who wishes to start Binche!  I would say persevere.  I too had
done the usual, Torchon, Bucks, Honiton, all of which I enjoyed and still
do, but then my friend and I did a Valencienne class and then moved on to
Binche.  I LOVE Binche.  Yes it is  more difficult than the other laces and
does take a lot more concentration.  I find it necessary to have a working
diagram along side me and to put a pin in the work and then in the diagram -
yes, progress is slower than I would like, but I get the piece done and I do
find it really interesting to work.  To me it is the Sudoku (which I can't
stand) of lace and keeps my brain working!!  Keep with it you will
eventually enjoy it and the results are just beautiful and you get a real
sense of accomplishment.
 
All the best,
 
Sue Fink
Masterton, New Zealand
 
PS we didn't have a book to start with, but did find the Syllabus from
Kantcentrum very helpful

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[lace] Re: Lace ID

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Jun 21, 2008, at 23:40, Kathryn Nuttall wrote:


Can anyone identify this type of lace?

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn10/adam1christy/ebay025-17.jpg

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn10/adam1christy/ebay031-19.jpg

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn10/adam1christy/ebay027-15.jpg


The second (an enlargemnt of a fragment of the first?) looks a lot like 
Brugge or Duchesse. The third looks like nothing I've ever seen before, 
but could have been "transported" directly from 16th century, 
particularly the winkie "picots" on the plaits (but then, I have had 
the early laces on my mind so much recently, that everything loks to me 
like 16th century )

--
Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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[lace] Lace ID

[Kathryn Nuttall]

Can anyone identify this type of lace?

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn10/adam1christy/ebay025-17.jpg
 
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn10/adam1christy/ebay031-19.jpg
 
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn10/adam1christy/ebay027-15.jpg



  

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[lace] I'm Away

[Clive & Betty Rice]

Dear Lacemakers and UDC Ladies,

I'll be away for Lacemaking at Sweet Briar College in Central Virginia until 
June 29 and will unsubscribe as soon as I post this message. 

You all behave and make lace and promote the Southern Way of Life.

Happy Lacemaking in the bonds of the Old South,
Betty Ann Rice, Roanoke, Virginia USA
Roanoke Chapter 1907

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RE: [lace] Binche - How Difficult Is It?

[Carolyn Hastings]

Sure do wish it were that easy!  I give this explanation to people at demos
so they won't be overwhelmed by the numbers, but I think we all know deep
down there is **lots** more to it.  If that were not true, poor teachers
would be out of business.

Carolyn


Carolyn Hastings
Stow, MA USA



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> 
> LOL  I love this!!!
> 
> Sue in EY
> On 21 Jun 2008, at 18:23, Kate Henry wrote:
> >  Once you get hold of cross and twist, there are NO other options.
> > There are only two ways to lay a thread over the one next to it,
> > right over left OR left over right. Look closely and you will see
> > which it is. Make it happen. Poof! you have lace. ALL of them.
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Re: [lace] Old Tree Pricking

[Sue Babbs]

I have sent it to Dot
Sue
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Dear Spiders,

I am looking for the copy of Lenka Suchanek's Old Tree Pricking which 


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Re: [lace] Ebay Biggins patterns

[Kate Henry]

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  If you look at his history he deals in all sorts and has sold more than one
copy. Vivienne

Dear Vivienne,
OHMIGOD, that's terrible!  I hope you will retaliate and put tons of the
Biggins patterns on ebay yourself and flood the market so he won't make a
dime.
Actually, anyone who is anyone, knows you have the proper monopoly on selling
Biggins patterns, and you deserve at least a royalty on any illegal sales
outside of your shop. What was that fool thinking!   Immediately write to ebay
with proof that he is selling miserable counterfeit smeary copies and
defrauding the lacemaking community ( the vile cad! ), and let justice be
served.

Kate Henry
Indiana USA

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Re: [lace] Hand or Machine Sew

[Carol]

Hi Wendy,

I always used to hand sew my edgings to whatever but ...

One of my friends volunteered to attach a hankie edging to the hankie, and I 
didn't realise that she meant to machine sew it, but this is what she did, 
as mounting all sorts of items was her profession.   I was on pins until I 
received it, but to be honest, the way she had done it was lovely, and far, 
far neater than I could have managed by hand even then - and now my 
handsewing is even less worthy, as I have arthritis in my hands. I 
certainly feel that it is better to have it attached neatly and beautifully 
by machine, than clumsily and untidily by hand ...


She had used a very tiny zigzag stitch, in fine cotton, and believe me, that 
is what I usually do now too.It doesn't work too well for round or 
ovals, but for squares or straight things, it is ideal   Like anything else, 
though, it does need practice, and I practiced for ages with cheap old 
bought lace from Woolworths or haberdashers, until I was satisfied with the 
result.


However, if you want methods of attaching lacxe by hand, you could do worse 
than invest in the book on Bobbin Lace Techniques - I think you can still 
get it in soft back, possibly from Amazon.But - if you want any forther 
info, do feel free to eMail me!


Carol - in Suffolk UK
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Subject: [lace] Hand or Machine Sew



Hi Spiders


Now then do you hand sew or machine sew

your lace on to material.



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Re: [lace] Binche - How Difficult Is It?

[Sue Duckles]

LOL  I love this!!!

Sue in EY
On 21 Jun 2008, at 18:23, Kate Henry wrote:
 Once you get hold of cross and twist, there are NO other options.  
There are only two ways to lay a thread over the one next to it,  
right over left OR left over right. Look closely and you will see  
which it is. Make it happen. Poof! you have lace. ALL of them.


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Re: [lace] Ebay Biggins patterns

[Kate Henry]

They probably bought them from Vivienne in the first place.  Do they take 
back unused patterns? I wouldn't expect them to.

Kate Henry
Indiana USA

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We have found someone selling Biggins patterns on Ebay. The are starting
with Snowflake beginning £1.95. You ca buy it from us at £2 plus can ring 
us

if
you need any help! Please don't encourage these people.  Vivienne

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Re: [lace] Binche - How Difficult Is It?

[Kate Henry]

Thanks for saying again that it is totally ok to start with whatever lace 
pleases your eye. The lacemakers in Valenciennes START with Valenciennes. 
etc etc etc.  Just do what you love and you will be happy.  Most of us start 
with Torchon because it contains everything that is in all of the other 
laces, and the threads are fat enough to see without a magnifying glass. 
From there, they specialize, and add sweet trademark combinations. Once you 
get hold of cross and twist, there are NO other options. There are only two 
ways to lay a thread over the one next to it, right over left OR left over 
right. Look closely and you will see which it is. Make it happen. Poof! you 
have lace. ALL of them.

:)Kate Henry
Indiana USA

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Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [lace] Binche - How Difficult Is It?


 Is there a beginner's book for Binche & is this lace relatively easy to 
learn?


Binche, along with Flanders and other members of the same family, uses
working methods that don't usually arise in the other laces you
mention. Pairs can be workers one minute, passives the next. The method
of working is irregular, and sometimes your pairs may even travel back
up the lace. You often tension by pulling one pair against others that
you have held down, but there may not be pins for you to tension
against. Someone from this list once described the thread diagram as
"psychotic railroad tracks" - a description I've always enjoyed.

Interestingly, there aren't any difficult new techniques - these laces
are made with the skills you already have, but -
when you enter this world you may find some 'rules' you've learned
about making lace don't apply any more, and that can be a very
difficult and frustrating experience.

The first time I tried a lace in this family (after nearly 20 years of
lacemaking experience) I was on my own with a book, and after several
hours of concentrated effort I broke down in tears. Eventually I found
a teacher. My first beginner piece was a half inch wide and required
only 25 pairs. The first repeat of that lace (about an inch and a half)
took me 8 hours (!) (the second 5 hours, and third 2 hours).

Now I've made these types of laces for a few years, and I still
couldn't make one without following a diagram.

So, that's why people will tell you Binche is difficult. For most
people it really is. But I find it totally absorbing and rewarding to
make.

Beginner books are few. There is a "Syllabus Binche" series from the
Kantcentrum in Belgium. They start you off by working various grounds
of snowflakes. Way back in 1989 Michael Giusiana & Linda Dunn put out a
book "Binche lace" that, after a brief review of other laces in the
family (Flanders, Point de Paris, Valenciennes), again leads you into
Binche via snowflakes. Personally I found making snowflake ground quite
tedious, and not exceptionally good at preparing you for Binche, and I
stopped after the first two samples. (by the way, it was "Binche with
Valenciennes Ground" from that book that took me 8 hours for the first
repeat)

Many people recommend starting out with Flanders, so you get used to
the ring pairs and the method of working cloth stitch fillings while
working what many consider to be an easier lace. There are more
beginner Flanders books (I think Mary Niven's book is still available)
than beginner Binche books.

Other people say doing Flanders to prepare you for Binche is a little
like learning to ski to prepare you for snowboarding. Why not just
learn to snowboard in the first place.

Reading this over, I can't help thinking it isn't very helpful. The
truth is, these are hard laces to make, and due to their structure
there aren't that many beginner patterns.

Hope this helps somehow.

Adele
North Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)

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Re: [lace] Binche - How Difficult Is It?

[Adele Shaak]

 Is there a beginner's book for Binche & is this lace relatively easy 
to learn?


Binche, along with Flanders and other members of the same family, uses 
working methods that don't usually arise in the other laces you 
mention. Pairs can be workers one minute, passives the next. The method 
of working is irregular, and sometimes your pairs may even travel back 
up the lace. You often tension by pulling one pair against others that 
you have held down, but there may not be pins for you to tension 
against. Someone from this list once described the thread diagram as 
"psychotic railroad tracks" - a description I've always enjoyed.


Interestingly, there aren't any difficult new techniques - these laces 
are made with the skills you already have, but -
when you enter this world you may find some 'rules' you've learned 
about making lace don't apply any more, and that can be a very 
difficult and frustrating experience.


The first time I tried a lace in this family (after nearly 20 years of 
lacemaking experience) I was on my own with a book, and after several 
hours of concentrated effort I broke down in tears. Eventually I found 
a teacher. My first beginner piece was a half inch wide and required 
only 25 pairs. The first repeat of that lace (about an inch and a half) 
took me 8 hours (!) (the second 5 hours, and third 2 hours).


Now I've made these types of laces for a few years, and I still 
couldn't make one without following a diagram.


So, that's why people will tell you Binche is difficult. For most 
people it really is. But I find it totally absorbing and rewarding to 
make.


Beginner books are few. There is a "Syllabus Binche" series from the 
Kantcentrum in Belgium. They start you off by working various grounds 
of snowflakes. Way back in 1989 Michael Giusiana & Linda Dunn put out a 
book "Binche lace" that, after a brief review of other laces in the 
family (Flanders, Point de Paris, Valenciennes), again leads you into 
Binche via snowflakes. Personally I found making snowflake ground quite 
tedious, and not exceptionally good at preparing you for Binche, and I 
stopped after the first two samples. (by the way, it was "Binche with 
Valenciennes Ground" from that book that took me 8 hours for the first 
repeat)


Many people recommend starting out with Flanders, so you get used to 
the ring pairs and the method of working cloth stitch fillings while 
working what many consider to be an easier lace. There are more 
beginner Flanders books (I think Mary Niven's book is still available) 
than beginner Binche books.


Other people say doing Flanders to prepare you for Binche is a little 
like learning to ski to prepare you for snowboarding. Why not just 
learn to snowboard in the first place.


Reading this over, I can't help thinking it isn't very helpful. The 
truth is, these are hard laces to make, and due to their structure 
there aren't that many beginner patterns.


Hope this helps somehow.

Adele
North Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)

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Re: [lace] Cheap bags for your TableMate

[bevw]

Hi Rhiannon and everyone

Yes, definitely water resistant - I haven't had an occasion to test if it is
completely waterproof, e.g. forgetting it outside in a downpour!  - it is
made of a woven plastic, v. strong. Your bag inside would be well protected
and visible, definitely.

On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 2:06 AM, Rhiannon Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

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> Could anyone tell me if these are waterproof _ish? I'm certain it must be
> better than my open topped homemade fabric bag but if the plastic is clear
> enough I could still show off the bag inside.
>

-- 
Bev (near Sooke, BC on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada)

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Re: [lace] Ebay Biggins patterns

[Clay Blackwell]

Hello Vivienne -

I'm sorry, but I don't understand.  This person seems to be selling a 
legitimate copy of the pattern - not something that was reproduced for 
the purpose of selling it while keeping the original.We buy 
previously owned lace books all the time on eBay, and I have been 
thrilled to be able to find patterns, etc., that have gone out of print.


I realize that the eBay and internet "stores" are really hurting shops 
which have a physical location.  And I realize that we will all be sad 
when there are no longer lovely little shops to browse around in.  But 
for people who don't have lovely little shops nearby, the internet is a 
wonderful thing.  So please, help me understand why these people 
shouldn't be "encouraged". 


Clay


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[lace] ebay lace patterns

[Wendy Davies]

Hi

Just read the posting on the ebay lace patterns and wanted to know as a rule
are these patterns originals that someone has bought but not used.  I would be
a bit worried that the patterns would not be clear and therefore a waste of
money.  The best way I find is wait for the laceday to come along and stock up
that way you get the most up to date ones. They are cheap enough and like
Vivien has said you do get a good back up service.

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Re: [lace] Dimpa bag details

[Debora Lustgarten]

Hello again,
Yes, there are several sizes, and the one that
fits our tablemates is the 25 1/2" x 8 3/4" x 25 1/2"
It is waterproof-ish (being plastic but with seams) and translucent.

Earlier on, I made the mistake of buying the 100
cm size and it was enormous!  It was relegated to
holding comforters and bulky blankets...

I used to "lug" the table and pillows on a little
suitcase trolley, all tied with bungee cords, but
it was really annoying to drag that thing to the
car, take it apart and then tie it back together
to drag it to the lace meeting place.  The bag is
so much lighter and all-in-one solution...

Cheers!
Debora L.
Toronto, Canada

At 06:33 AM 6/21/2008, you wrote:
>Rhiannon wrote:
>
>
>
>The only Dimpa bag that came up in my search of
>IKEA measures 100 cm x 65 cm x 22 cm - that's
>over three feet long (with the price of £3.49).
>
>There was a small inset picture showing a group
>of bags, one looked square and contained a car
>wheel, but that doesn't appear in the search
>results and it didn't link to anything else.
>
>Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK
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[lace] Binche - How Difficult Is It?

[Shirlee Hill]

I must admit that I am drawn to many lace techniques, mostly those with which 
you can produce motifs such as flowers or animals, etc.  There is a book by 
Kumiko Nakazaki, "Collection 1," which has some beautiful motifs done in 
Binche.  I am going to assume that this is not a book for someone just starting 
to learn the technique.  Is there a beginner's book for Binche & is this lace 
relatively easy to learn?  I've done Bucks & Torchon & various tape laces.
   
  Blessings,
  Shirlee   

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[lace] Dimpa bag for tabke mate

[Jean Nathan]

Rhiannon wrote:



The only Dimpa bag that came up in my search of IKEA measures 100 cm x 65 cm 
x 22 cm - that's over three feet long (with the price of £3.49).


There was a small inset picture showing a group of bags, one looked square 
and contained a car wheel, but that doesn't appear in the search results and 
it didn't link to anything else.


Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK 


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[lace] hand or machine sew

[Wendy Davies]

Hi All

thanks for the advise on this matter and sorry if I have asked a question you
have covered in the past but I will soon catch up with you all.

I think I will try both ways on the cloak and see which looks the best my
problem is that even though I can cross stitch etc I can't for the life of me
sew a tidy line but maybe as I have put the effort into making the lace I will
be more careful.

Have a good day it is raining here.

Hugs
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[lace] Ebay Biggins patterns

[VivienneWalton]

We have found someone selling Biggins patterns on Ebay. The are starting
with Snowflake beginning £1.95. You ca buy it from us at £2 plus can ring us
if
you need any help! Please don't encourage these people.  Vivienne

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RE: [lace] Cheap bags for your TableMate

[Rhiannon Mann]

Hello to you all

For all those in the UK the price here is £3.49.
Could anyone tell me if these are waterproof _ish? I'm certain it must be
better than my open topped homemade fabric bag but if the plastic is clear
enough I could still show off the bag inside.

Thanks

Rhiannon
(whose plans of exploration have been curtailed by weather so maybe Ikea is
the way forward)> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:13:46 -0400> To: lace@arachne.com>
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [lace] Cheap bags for your TableMate> >
> Dear Arachnes,> I've just come back from my local IKEA and wanted
to share the good tip.> Their "DIMPA" plastic bag (their size 25 1/2" x 8 3/4"
x 25 1/2") is > perfect to fit the folded Table-Mate, with space to spare for
a good > size pillow and tools!> And, at close to $5.00 (Canadian, mind you)
is quite the good deal.> I've picked four bags for my local lacemaker
friends.> Oh, and note that this comes with all the usual disclaimers, from a
> person that just likes to find lacey uses for everyday stuff> Cheers to
all!> Debora Lustgarten> Toronto, Canada> > > -> To unsubscribe send email to
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[lace] Machine or hand sew

[Alex Stillwell]

Re: machine or hand-sew

Traditionally lace should be hand sewn to fabric but I would rather see a
piece well mounted using machine sewing than one spoilt by being badly mounted
by hand.

Alex Stillwell

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[lace] hand or machine sewing

[Sue]

My first lace hanky was hand sewn and with my glasses of the time and
complicated eyes I found it very difficult, only managing to see to work about
an inch at a time.   Eventually I did get it complete (but not entirely happy
with that).  Last year after making the first set of napkins I had the same
dilema and chose to try machine sewing, so I used a sample piece of lace and
the sewing machine and was much happier with that.
This year I did set number 2 in the same way and am due to complete our own
and will chose that option again.
I used to do lots of hand sewing but unfortunately age and eyesight mean I
have to choose other ways.

I did like the way to hand sew, the 3 point stitch (not the word) and in past
years would have happily continued in that way.  But I would say whatever the
choose practise first before you achieve something you are unhappy with.
Sue T Dorset UK

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