Re: [lace] lace edges
To all, please be awere of the fact that these days machine lace can overcome this problem of picots and edges there is the possibility to use watersolube thread on the parts where you normaly should do the cutting of the differend peaces of machiend laces and it is no longer valid that possitions of thread nr 1 cant go to possition nr 5000 in one and the same row of work in the modern machines they can promtly change possitions of threads like you should do on your pillow the reason they do not do it is because it takes time and we all know time is money but for the highend market it is done so you can make lace peaces on these machiens and then just water it and hocuspocus pats you have the several differend peaces no cutted threads. only strangely looking picots but this is not a real problem in normal live because if her ladyship is wearing a scarf well draped over her voluptous bozem no one will dare to go look close and ask is this a normal picot? well I wood not do it... i did not look to the picots i only looked suspicious to the woven linnen parts wich seems for me to be to open and in a bizare way spaced intervals inbetween and i do not agree to the assuption that the ends are taken always care of yes you might do that but look to what is there to find in most shops look to the horrors hanign in citys like Brugge Gent Antwerp Brussel.. i m born and raised in Brugge and looked all my life to it i almost got bad eyes because of it so BAADDD or is this a wrong assuption of me? please feel always free to correct me i do not bite very hard francis Alice Howell schreef: I'll give a try on this. First, the lace shawl on eBay had a strip of machine made picots (little loops) sewn on the edges to imitate the picots on handmade lace that are an extension of the edge stitches. Depending on the lace, the handmade loops can be made with one thread or with two threads twisted together. Some machine made laces are made with a woven background and these are usually made in quantity and attached together. When they are cut apart, it leaves single thread ends sticking out all around. I don't know of any handmade laces that have single threads sticking out. Bobbin lace is made with pairs, and great care is taken to finish off the ends so they do not stick out. Needlelace techniques hide the thread ends. Alice in Oregon - Original Message From: Pat Tinney tinn...@austin.rr.com This brings up a question that I have had on my mind for a while.. I know that most, if not all, of the lace in my church is machine made. Some of it looks like the pattern was woven and a sizing used to hold it together. No twist, no cross, no knots. The one thing I have wondered about, that I also think I see in the eBay quasi-shawl is that on the edges little threads are sticking out. It is the existence of these threads that make me think that the lace in my church is a simple weave that is trimmed at the end of the manufacturing process. My question is this: Are there any traditional techniques that have these short threads sticking out. I cannot tell about the eBay example, but on the ones in my church these are definitely single cut threads, not at all like a worker thread going around a pin. Any information or resources would be most appreciated. Thank you, Pat T. -- From: Brenda Paternoster paternos...@appleshack.com Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 2:58 PM To: Francis Busschaert francis.busscha...@telenet.be Cc: lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] USA Hello Francis It's not Chantilly It's not hand made It's not even big enough to be a shawl. It is a machine made scarf - probably Leavers machine. Brenda On 6 Sep 2009, at 19:53, Francis Busschaert wrote: i m not an expert but if i see those fotograps my little alamr senors in my head say NOWAY that is not handmade but ùmachien lace i know there are some EXPERTS here enlighten me please the abay nr is ebay nr 110428639339 http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-SILK-BLONDE-CHANTILLY-LACE-SHAWL-HANDEMBR-8_W0QQitem Z110428639339QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19b60f506b_trksi d=p3286.c0.m14 Brenda in Allhallows paternos...@appleshack.com http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version:
Re: [lace] USA
On 7 Sep 2009, at 06:05, Francis Busschaert wrote: I have an other question on this matter do sellers not have the OBLIGATION to tell the truth that it is not handmade, machinemade, etcetcet or is this obligation only a fague notion? I don't know about USA, but in UK (and probably all of EU) there is the Trade Descriptions Act which DOES require the seller to be honest about the description of the product. If you bought in UK from a UK seller something clearly described as Chantilly and when it arrived it clearly wasn't Chantilly, then with a lot of hassle you could/ should be able to get your money back. You'd have to get expert opinions and still have the proof of the original description - so better not to buy if in doubt. i have looked a bit further on ebay and i was ashamed for some of these sellers to even try to pass on piecec whom are so clearly machine lace trimmings as the real genuan product.. even vintage was labeled on some To most Ebay sellers vintage just means not brand new. so i will drop my real question here and now i m looking for a chantilly or blonde genuan/vintage nice and for virtualy no money i it need ot be as big as possible because it i need it to be scanned and blown up to be used as a print on textile afterwards You are asking a lot for virtually no money! But it depends on how big the piece you are going to scan needs to be. It might be that you will be able to find a big piece in a distressed condition - ie with some some small holes in it but with a big enough undamaged part to be able to use. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com Brenda in Allhallows paternos...@appleshack.com http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [!! SPAM] Re: [lace] USA
One must also keep in mind that there could be genuine cases of sellers not knowing what they are actually selling. What I mean is that a person could have been duped into purchasing for re-sale an item that he/she was told is handmade but doesn't understand enough to doubt, or having a family heirloom passed on and always being under the impression that it was handmade by some predecessor but not understanding enough to doubt it. So, to allow the seller to correct his/her description, perhaps whoever notices these things can write a corteous message to help correct any misconception. Having said all this, I have no doubt that there could also be those who knowingly try to dupe unsuspecting/unknowledgeable buyers. Karen in Malta -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Brenda Paternoster Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 9:43 AM To: Francis Busschaert Cc: lace@arachne.com Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: [lace] USA On 7 Sep 2009, at 06:05, Francis Busschaert wrote: I have an other question on this matter do sellers not have the OBLIGATION to tell the truth that it is not handmade, machinemade, etcetcet or is this obligation only a fague notion? I don't know about USA, but in UK (and probably all of EU) there is the Trade Descriptions Act which DOES require the seller to be honest about the description of the product. If you bought in UK from a UK seller something clearly described as Chantilly and when it arrived it clearly wasn't Chantilly, then with a lot of hassle you could/ should be able to get your money back. You'd have to get expert opinions and still have the proof of the original description - so better not to buy if in doubt. i have looked a bit further on ebay and i was ashamed for some of these sellers to even try to pass on piecec whom are so clearly machine lace trimmings as the real genuan product.. even vintage was labeled on some To most Ebay sellers vintage just means not brand new. so i will drop my real question here and now i m looking for a chantilly or blonde genuan/vintage nice and for virtualy no money i it need ot be as big as possible because it i need it to be scanned and blown up to be used as a print on textile afterwards You are asking a lot for virtually no money! But it depends on how big the piece you are going to scan needs to be. It might be that you will be able to find a big piece in a distressed condition - ie with some some small holes in it but with a big enough undamaged part to be able to use. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com Brenda in Allhallows paternos...@appleshack.com http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Book List
Hello to you all I have been happily writing out the list of the books I have for sale. I hope you like them as well. I think the price per book will be around £3 to £5. I hope you all find what you are looking for. Daphne Overcast but dry Norfolk UK [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Book list Page1.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of booklist page 2.jpg] - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Book List
Hello to you all I have been happily writing out the list of the books I have for sale. I hope you like them as well. I think the price per book will be around £3 to £5. I hope you all find what you are looking for. Daphne Overcast but dry Norfolk UK [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Book list Page1.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of booklist page 2.jpg] - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Book List
Hello again I have sat quietly this morning writing the list for all the books I have for sale. Thankyou Frances for putting me right about the attachments. 1 Technique of Bobbinlace Pam Nottingham 2 Technique of Torchon Lace.. Pam Nottingham 3 Technique of Bucks Point Lace.. Pam Nottingham 4 Technique of Bedfordshire lace.. Pam Nottingham 5 Bobbin Lacemaking.Pam Nottingham 6 Technique of Honiton lace... Elsie Luxton 7 Honiton the Visual Approach... Elsie Luxton 8 Honiton lace Patterns. Elsie Luxton 9 Creative Design in Bobbinlace..Ann Collier 10 New design in Bobbinlace..Ann Collier 11 Colour in Lace... Ann Collier 12 Le Pompe 1559. Santina Levey and Pat Payne [Norfolk Lacemakers] 13 Withof Lace.T V.D Heyden-Biemans, Y Scheele Kerkof, P Smelter Hockstra. 14 Duchesse LaceJ Newble de Graff. 15 Duchesse . Jose van Pamelen Hagenaars 16 Point Ground Patterns from Australia... E kenn 17 Lace.E Kenn 18 The Lavendon Collection of Bobbinlace Patterns... V Harris. 19 Braid lace for today.. J Fisher 20 Introduction to Bobbinlace Patterns. B Cook 21 Modern Lace designs. V Sorenson 22 Design Techniques for Modern lace.. V Sorenson. 23 Teach Yourself Bobbinlace.. E Arnold 24 Flanders Lace... Mary Niven 25 Bedfordshire Lace Patterns. M Turner 26 Lacemaking the Gentle Art.. H Cavanagh 27 Contempory Bohemian Lace.V Leva Skrovanosa 28 Reflections on Lace.N Lovesey 29 50 New Bobbinlace Patterns... C Berkhard 30 Valenciennes Variaties... Y Krygsman 31 Starting Needlepoint Lace V Grimwood 32 Detechniek van het Kantklossen.. A Van Olffen 33 Animal Minitures J J Vandenhorst 34 A Charm of French fans. Glaisdale 1982 35 Collars. B Paternoster 36 Spring Tide [ leaflet].K Blakey 37 Alby Lace Museum and study centre. Lesley Thomas 38 Scheeberger Lace Patterns. L Baumeister Jonker 39 Scheeberger Lace. L Baumeister. Jonker 40 Four seasons... Geraldine Stott 41 My Lace .. A Dews 42 Weddings and Anniversaries G Dye I hope you all have fun browsing these books. Best wishes Daphne - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Review: Autobiography of a Pocket-Handkerchief
Dear Lace Lovers, A two-page article about this fictional memoir appeares this month in Embroidery the magazine of the Embroiderers' Guild in England. I printed out the autobiography, read it, put it in a binder for my library, and am sharing: Autobiography of a Pocket-Handkerchief, by James Fenimore Cooper. This is a period piece as to moral tone and plot. The story is told by a linen pocket handkerchief edged with lace, whose origins started in a Connecticut flax field. The harvested flax was shipped to England for processing, but captured by French pirates on the sea. The rest of the adventure is centered in France, Paris and New York City. At times, paragraphs resemble a old-fashioned sermon, but skip over those and the story flows. It really cannot be speed read, because of many French phrases. These are translated in paragraphs just below the text where they appear, so you'll not be too frustrated. (The French adds to the charm.) It appeared first in 4 installments in Graham's Magazine, about 1843. (A look-up of fashions of the period helps a reader to relate to the text and era.) On-line version is in 18 installments which print out to about 80 pages. J. F. Cooper was a famous American author of the period. Free at _http://cooper.thefreelibrary.com/Autobiography-of-a-Pocket-Handkerchief_ (http://cooper.thefreelibrary.com/Autobiography-of-a-Pocket-Handkerchief) Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] making a leaf tally
Last weekend a good lace friend came to visit, bringing her husband with her. Not content to sit around and mope, he busied himself repairing all sorts of little glitches around the house, and then he brought out his fancy movie camera and took pictures of me making a leaf tally the way I learned to do it in Brioude. After they left they posted the movie on YouTube, so it is now available to all who might like to take a look. I'm not all that good at impromptu lecturing, and you will find errors, for which I crave your indulgence. I notice that I have said twist when I meant cross and that a thread goes under when I should have said over. But you are all very kind and patient and I am sure that you will forgive my mistakes. I also notice that I made much of the difference in ease of working tallies this way with continental bobbins as opposed to midlands bobbins. This was because my friend, something of a beginner at lacemaking, had been having trouble making tallies with her midlands bobbins, which are all she has. It is not meant to be a slur on one kind of bobbin over the other (I started out with midlands myself), but to suggest that she might find it easier to try bobbins without spangles. Anyway, what's done is done, and I hope that this will clear up some of the confusion which inevitably occurs when one is trying to explain a process without visual aids. The link to YouTube is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPezWMox5-M I hope you find it useful. Tess (tess1...@aol.com) in Maine USA on a lovely day. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] making a leaf tally
Tess -- Thank you so much. I've seen variations of this way of doing leaves -- but you have made the actions so very clear and understandable. Thank you, Diane Z Lubec, Maine - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] making a leaf tally
Hi Tess!! I as so thrilled to see this video!! Several years ago, I had my first workshop with Anny Noben-Slegers, and she demonstrated the way to do a tally. In this case, she was doing the square tally used so much in Binche lace. But her technique was exactly the same. I watched and watched. Then, when she did it again, I took a video of it through my digital camera which has a video mode (meant for short clips, of course.) The sound was not very good, and I was not the best photographer in the world, and so I was never able to quite understand how she did this!! I finally decided she was double-jointed!! ; ) Now, your video makes me want to pull out the bobbins and try again. In slow-motion, it doesn't seem very fast, but once you're used to the movements, I suspect that this would be the most efficient way to do a tally! (I think that this was Anny's opinion, at any rate.) Thank you so much for sharing this video. Now to figure out how to save it, and beyond that, how to put it on my iPod for future reference!! Clay tess parrish wrote: Last weekend a good lace friend came to visit, bringing her husband with her. Not content to sit around and mope, he busied himself repairing all sorts of little glitches around the house, and then he brought out his fancy movie camera and took pictures of me making a leaf tally the way I learned to do it in Brioude. After they left they posted the movie on YouTube, so it is now available to all who might like to take a look. I'm not all that good at impromptu lecturing, and you will find errors, for which I crave your indulgence. I notice that I have said twist when I meant cross and that a thread goes under when I should have said over. But you are all very kind and patient and I am sure that you will forgive my mistakes. I also notice that I made much of the difference in ease of working tallies this way with continental bobbins as opposed to midlands bobbins. This was because my friend, something of a beginner at lacemaking, had been having trouble making tallies with her midlands bobbins, which are all she has. It is not meant to be a slur on one kind of bobbin over the other (I started out with midlands myself), but to suggest that she might find it easier to try bobbins without spangles. Anyway, what's done is done, and I hope that this will clear up some of the confusion which inevitably occurs when one is trying to explain a process without visual aids. The link to YouTube is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPezWMox5-M I hope you find it useful. Tess (tess1...@aol.com) in Maine USA on a lovely day. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Glutton for punishment!
Hello to One All! Yesterday I finished my black fans gold hearts torchon hankercheif! HURRAH! Guess what...I don#39;t it. It#39;s a little too quot;airyquot;. I need to reduce the pricking by 15% for the threads used. And there#39;s a few boo boos I didn#39;t catch. I#39;ll use it until it gets replaced. Last night I also started 2 lace projects. A black gold edging to match the hankie. That will go on the blouse that goes with the chainmaile suede trenchcoat skirt. My preliminary guesstimates come up that I#39;ll need about 3 yards. Definately NOT on the conservative fashion side. LOL! The 2nd project is a torchon bookmark. In what colours, black gold, of course. I#39;m using up the leftovers from the hankie. Also in progress is a 1 cm wide edging in bleached white 80/2 linen. I currently have over 4 yards. And I#39;ll be selling it when I have over 5 yards. I have 3 pillows going and need a 4th. It#39;s time to make another cookie pillow! I#39;d post pics but my internet is via cell phone right now. Hugs, Susie Rose - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Lace Guild website update
Thought I'd let you all know that I recently updated the extracts from 'Lace' magazine on the Lace Guild website. We've also added some other things over the past few weeks - a new Lace Gallery, preliminary information about next year's Summer School, an exhibition of some of the Guild's lace in Llangollen, a new CD of Bedfordshire prickings from the Guild collection. Jean --- Jean and David Leader Glasgow, Scotland Lace Guild website: http://www.laceguild.org - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] making a leaf tally
Hi Tess, Good job with the video...! As the old saying goes, a picture is worth a thousand words. You might remember, Tess, that you sent me an explanation of this method before I was to go up to IOLI in Montreal for the Cluny de Brioude class with Nathalie Bailly. There are two things I love about using this method...the first, of course, is that it suits continental bobbins so well and it continues as normal bobbin lace movements, i.e. TTC, TTC, TTC, rather than stopping cross and twist and starting to weave over,under,over..., a slightly different mindset, though the result is the same. The second thing I love is the actual look of the leaf. The tensioning after the cross (TTC, tension, TTC, tension...) causes the center rib of the leaf to be wider than the outer ribs, resulting in a satiny-looking leaf. Also, it isn't necessary to make the leaf longer than desired and then pack it in after placing the pinit is fully packed when finished. I really like this method, though it takes some practice. But, as most instructors will tell you, if you are making leaves or tallies by any method which produces results you are happy with, don't feel compelled to change. Vicki in Maryland where our Labor Day has been rained outbut the grass is happy! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] making a leaf tally
Dear Tess, Anyway, what's done is done, and I hope that this will clear up some of the confusion which inevitably occurs when one is trying to explain a process without visual aids. The link to YouTube is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPezWMox5-M I hope you find it useful. Thanks for your video clip. I found it fascinating mainly because your tallies are the exact opposite of mine. I go under the outside 2 and over the middle passive, which doesn't matter because the end result is the same. I must tell you though, that I DO make perfect tallies using English midlands bobbins. I must get a friend round to video my method which is so different from yours. Apart from the over-under bit, I put pins in at 45 degrees to hold the tension on the 2 outside passives. Too hard to explain in words. Thanks again David in Ballarat - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
