Re: [lace] Google Books expired copyrights
Hi Dora - I think the issue is that if Google is successful in gaining sole rights of expired copyrights, then sites like the Archives might have to be closed down! That would be tragic! We can only hope that they are not successful! Clay Dora Smith wrote: I wouldn't worry about it. Enjoy the information. Of course, on the other hand, nobody can make you enjoy the information. If you are hung up about the morality of making information freely available, then don't read it. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernu...@yahoo.com - Original Message - From: Laurie Waters lswaters...@comcast.net To: lace@arachne.com Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 10:22 AM Subject: [lace] Google Books expired copyrights Can anyone comment on the potential copyright liability of sites like the University of Arizona's weaving archive (which includes the big lace archive) in view of Google's recent attempt to settle with publishers for sole rights to expired copyrights? I know this isn't final yet, but they are putting tremendous resources behind it and have a good chance of success. What will happen to sites like this one if this happens? Will they have to shut down? Are there any lawyers out there who are following this? I know I'd like to scan a few old works for my own site, but have no idea of the potential impact here. Thanks. Laurie - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Tenerife Lace books
I clicked on to Alex's site on Arizona and then onto contents and waited and waited and waited and although it did not say page not found or something similar, nothing happened, Sue M Harvey Norfolk UK -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Avital Sent: 03 October 2009 17:35 To: Arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] Tenerife Lace books Michele, you can find Alex's book on the weaving archive page: http://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/books.html#S - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Tenerife Lace books
When you get to the page and see: Stillwell, Alexandra. The Technique of Teneriffe Lace, Charles T. Branford, Watertown, Mass , 1980, 149 pages. Note: with permission from the author. Posted May 20, 2009. SAMPLE PAGE. CONTENTS. REVIEW. File size 11.9MB PDF you will need to double click on Contents to open that. To download the whole book you will need to double click on PDF. It opens fine for me Sue - Original Message - From: Sue 2harv...@tiscali.co.uk To: 'Avital' spind...@gmail.com; 'Arachne.com' lace@arachne.com Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:04 AM Subject: RE: [lace] Tenerife Lace books I clicked on to Alex's site on Arizona and then onto contents and waited and waited and waited and although it did not say page not found or something similar, nothing happened, Sue M Harvey Norfolk UK -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Avital Sent: 03 October 2009 17:35 To: Arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] Tenerife Lace books Michele, you can find Alex's book on the weaving archive page: http://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/books.html#S - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Google Books expired copyrights
Google's recent attempt to settle with publishers for sole rights to expired copyrights? so that's what they were after ! it's about as bad as copyrighting plant cells ... once they control something they can put whatever price they want on it ... disgusting! dom from Paris - Original Message - From: Laurie Waters lswaters...@comcast.net To: lace@arachne.com Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 10:22 AM Subject: [lace] Google Books expired copyrights Can anyone comment on the potential copyright liability of sites like the University of Arizona's weaving archive (which includes the big lace archive) in view of Google's recent attempt to settle with publishers for sole rights to expired copyrights? I know this isn't final yet, but they are putting tremendous resources behind it and have a good chance of success. What will happen to sites like this one if this happens? Will they have to shut down? Are there any lawyers out there who are following this? I know I'd like to scan a few old works for my own site, but have no idea of the potential impact here. Thanks. Laurie - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Tenerife Lace books
Hi Sue, Just FYI--the site, including seeing the contents page of Alex's book, worked fine for me. It may have been heavy traffic whenever you were trying (the Internet is really getting bogged down I think), but I am surprised that your browser didn't time out, with some message to the effect that the site was not responding. I really do recommend that you try again, perhaps in the morning your time so the US won't have clogged up the 'net yet. --Nancy A. Neff, in Connecticut USA From: Sue 2harv...@tiscali.co.uk To: Avital spind...@gmail.com; Arachne.com lace@arachne.com Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 10:04:44 AM Subject: RE: [lace] Tenerife Lace books I clicked on to Alex's site on Arizona and then onto contents and waited and waited and waited and although it did not say page not found or something similar, nothing happened, Sue M Harvey Norfolk UK __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Google Books expired copyrights
Surely once something is out of copyright it is out of copyright and anyone can make as many copies as they wish without reference or payment to anyone. It's only works which are still within their copyright time that copyright owners can sell or licence the rights to. Brenda On 5 Oct 2009, at 15:20, Madame RD wrote: Google's recent attempt to settle with publishers for sole rights to expired copyrights? so that's what they were after ! it's about as bad as copyrighting plant cells ... once they control something they can put whatever price they want on it ... disgusting! dom from Paris - Original Message - From: Laurie Waters lswaters...@comcast.net To: lace@arachne.com Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 10:22 AM Subject: [lace] Google Books expired copyrights Can anyone comment on the potential copyright liability of sites like the University of Arizona's weaving archive (which includes the big lace archive) in view of Google's recent attempt to settle with publishers for sole rights to expired copyrights? I know this isn't final yet, but they are putting tremendous resources behind it and have a good chance of success. What will happen to sites like this one if this happens? Will they have to shut down? Are there any lawyers out there who are following this? I know I'd like to scan a few old works for my own site, but have no idea of the potential impact here. Thanks. Laurie - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com Brenda in Allhallows paternos...@appleshack.com http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Google Books expired copyrights
Brenda, Surely once something is out of copyright it is out of copyright and anyone can make as many copies as they wish without reference or payment to anyone. It's only works which are still within their copyright time that copyright owners can sell or licence the rights to. I'm fairly sure that with music copyright CAN be taken out again later. It may have happened to The Pirates of Penzance for example when it received a revival some 20 years ago. So perhaps this can also happen with books. David in Ballarat - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Google Books expired copyrights
Try going to: http://books.google.com/googlebooks/agreement/#4 in there it clearly states this: Online access Once this agreement has been approved, you'll be able to purchase full online access to millions of books. This means you can read an entire book from any Internet-connected computer, simply by logging in to your Book Search account, and it will remain on your electronic bookshelf, so you can come back and access it whenever you want in the future. purchase online access?! Sue in EY On 5 Oct 2009, at 16:39, David C COLLYER wrote: Brenda, Surely once something is out of copyright it is out of copyright and anyone can make as many copies as they wish without reference or payment to anyone. It's only works which are still within their copyright time that copyright owners can sell or licence the rights to. I'm fairly sure that with music copyright CAN be taken out again later. It may have happened to The Pirates of Penzance for example when it received a revival some 20 years ago. So perhaps this can also happen with books. David in Ballarat - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Subject: [lace] engageantes / jabots / cravats/ Sotomayor
Thank you Lucie, for sharing! Very enlightening and enjoyable! S Best,Susan Reishus - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Tenerife Lace books
It's possible that the browser was slow in rendering the PDF when Sue tried to click on the link. I generally prefer to right-click the link and choose Save, rather than trying to read the PDF in the browser because it can be extremely slow in appearing. The site itself, with the list of names, renders very quickly because it's only text with a graphic background, but large PDFs can take forever. Avital On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Nancy Neff nnef...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Sue, Just FYI--the site, including seeing the contents page of Alex's book, worked fine for me. It may have been heavy traffic whenever you were trying (the Internet is really getting bogged down I think), but I am surprised that your browser didn't time out, with some message to the effect that the site was not responding. I really do recommend that you try again, perhaps in the morning your time so the US won't have clogged up the 'net yet. --Nancy A. Neff, in Connecticut USA From: Sue 2harv...@tiscali.co.uk I clicked on to Alex's site on Arizona and then onto contents and waited and waited and waited and although it did not say page not found or something similar, nothing happened, Sue M Harvey Norfolk UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Google Books expired copyrights
My reading on this is that you will be able to purchase on-line access to books that are out of print, but still covered by copyright. The copyright holder will receive payment. This would address problems like the Miss Channer book, allowing an individual to buy a digital copy of an out of print, but still under copyright book and the publisher to profit, without having to actually print another run of the book. Books that are public domain (copyright expired) seem to be available for free to read on the internet at Google books. In fact, I just went to google books, searched lace and see that there are a number of public domain books that have been scanned in their entirety that can be read for free on line. Some are very hard to buy, like the second edition, 1869, of the Palliser book. Devon In a message dated 10/5/2009 11:47:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, s...@duckles.co.uk writes: Try going to: http://books.google.com/googlebooks/agreement/#4 in there it clearly states this: Online access Once this agreement has been approved, you'll be able to purchase full online access to millions of books. This means you can read an entire book from any Internet-connected computer, simply by logging in to your Book Search account, and it will remain on your electronic bookshelf, so you can come back and access it whenever you want in the future. purchase online access?! Sue in EY On 5 Oct 2009, at 16:39, David C COLLYER wrote: Brenda, Surely once something is out of copyright it is out of copyright and anyone can make as many copies as they wish without reference or payment to anyone. It's only works which are still within their copyright time that copyright owners can sell or licence the rights to. I'm fairly sure that with music copyright CAN be taken out again later. It may have happened to The Pirates of Penzance for example when it received a revival some 20 years ago. So perhaps this can also happen with books. David in Ballarat - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Tenerife Lace books
When I first became interested in the UAZ archives, I was on dial-up, and it was really not practical to try to download anything. Fortunately, Tess and the Professor came out with their first CD, and I bought it! Since then, I've bought each CD as it became available. Now, I'm on high-speed internet, but it still is much more convenient to find what I need through the indexes which come with the disks, *and* they load very quickly. I'm not sure the CDs are still available though. It seems to me that Tess said something about not producing any more. Clay Avital wrote: It's possible that the browser was slow in rendering the PDF when Sue tried to click on the link. I generally prefer to right-click the link and choose Save, rather than trying to read the PDF in the browser because it can be extremely slow in appearing. The site itself, with the list of names, renders very quickly because it's only text with a graphic background, but large PDFs can take forever. Avital - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Tenerife Lace books
Good point, Avital. Either seeing or downloading a PDF can take a while because of the size of the file, but at least with downloading saving it most systems show a progress box so you know that something is getting done. In contrast, opening a PDF in a new browser window may or may not show download progress depending on whether the browser gets enough of the beginning of the file to open it before download is complete. Either way one gets the PDF, it would still help some to do the download during a time when Internet usage from the US is lighter since the file is coming from Arizona. Thanks for the clarification. Nancy From: Avital spind...@gmail.com To: Lace List lace@arachne.com Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 11:57:55 AM Subject: Re: [lace] Tenerife Lace books It's possible that the browser was slow in rendering the PDF when Sue tried to click on the link. I generally prefer to right-click the link and choose Save, rather than trying to read the PDF in the browser because it can be extremely slow in appearing. The site itself, with the list of names, renders very quickly because it's only text with a graphic background, but large PDFs can take forever. Avital __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Tenerife Lace books
Hi Clay and everyone Go to www.handweaving.net where Kris has links to the lace documents and sells the CDs :)) While there why not check out the still small lace gallery? It is a subset of the weaving gallery. It needs more laces :D On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Clay Blackwell clayblackw...@comcast.netwrote: I'm not sure the CDs are still available though. It seems to me that Tess said something about not producing any more. -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Copyright
Dear Arachnids I still have copyright for all my books. As far as I am concerned I have given the Arizonal University the right to publish it free on their site and I do not think Google can do anything about it because it is still within copyright. Could the University can take out copyright for any on their site that are out of copyright so that they can continue to provide their excellent free service? Then Google would have to make arrangements with them. Happy lacemaking Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Google Books expired copyrights
My reading on this is that you will be able to purchase on-line access to books that are out of print, but still covered by copyright. The copyright holder will receive payment. This would address problems like the Miss Channer book, allowing an individual to buy a digital copy of an out of print, but still under copyright book, and the publisher to profit, without having to actually print another run of the book. Books that are public domain (copyright expired) seem to be available for free to read on the internet at Google books. In fact, I just went to google books, searched lace and see that there are a number of public domain books that have been scanned in their entirety that can be read for free on line. Some are very hard to buy, like the second edition, 1869, of the Palliser book. According to Google Books these will continue to be available for free. I don't think the University of Arizona site would be affected, since Google and the Digital Archives are doing exactly the same thing, namely making public domain books available to the public. In fact, this could be very advantageous to the research community. In many cases, the scanning of the public domain books has been done by librarians to make the books available to everyone, much in the same spirit as Tess and the Professor. Tess and the Prof. don't own the copyright to the books they scan and neither does Google. The controversy seems to be related to works that are covered by copyright, but out of print, and the fact that the copyright holder must opt out of the agreement by a certain date (rather than opting in) and if they don't opt out of the agreement, they would not be able to individually negotiate the terms of the digitalizing of their copyright covered work, but would have to accept the settlement amount. If the book is still in print and freely available on the open market google would direct you to where you could buy the book. In the case of lace books that are rarely republished, this could be a very advantageous development. But if the author (like Alex, for instance) thinks she may wish to republish the book herself, she should be very aware of the requirements for opting out of the settlement which include specific dates by which she must do so. Devon In a message dated 10/5/2009 11:47:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, s...@duckles.co.uk writes: Try going to: http://books.google.com/googlebooks/agreement/#4 in there it clearly states this: Online access Once this agreement has been approved, you'll be able to purchase full online access to millions of books. This means you can read an entire book from any Internet-connected computer, simply by logging in to your Book Search account, and it will remain on your electronic bookshelf, so you can come back and access it whenever you want in the future. purchase online access?! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Copyright
Alex, Nice idea but I don't think it would work legally. Initially copyright is owned by the creator of the work (for a limited period of time) or by whomever the creator sells it to. For example, I owned the copyright of the text of a book I wrote, until I accepted the payment of the commission for which I wrote it, after which the person paying me the commission owned the copyright. Material that has moved into the public domain means that it is owned by the public. No one can legally take out copyright for material they did not either create of the material or purchase from the current owner of the copyright (not just purchase a copy of the material). University of Arizona would have to pay the public for the copyright somehow... I put quotes around take out above because that's a misleading concept. Under our law, copyright is something inherently owned by the creator of anything of their own design or by a second party to whom it is sold (explicitly or implicitly, such as material created for an employer), whether the rights to the material are registered with the Library of Congress or not, and even whether or not the material is marked with a copyright declaration (although copyright is harder to enforce in the latter case). There is also the legal concept of fair use, by which we are allowed to copy excerpts from copyrighted material for personal use (but not for sale, even as excerpts). This is more complicated--e.g., how much can you copy? what is for sale--using it as course materials?, etc., and is typically addressed on a case-by-case basis (and preferrably by attorneys). Sorry to post such a long dissertation on the subject, but it is an important one for lacemakers to understand so we don't inadvertently violate our colleagues' copyrights to lace patterns, prickings, reconstructions, etc., no matter how strongly we may feel that material should be in the public domain. Also, I think Devon is quite correct in all her points about material under copyright but out-of-print etc. (One issue there is who owns the copyright--the publisher or the author? This issue is what underlies actors' and musicians' issues with their publishers, for example.) And finally, Tess should be applauded for her community spirit in making work for which she owns the copyright freely available to us (altho Devon's points there are valid also). --Nancy From: Alex Stillwell alexstillw...@talktalk.net To: lace@arachne.com Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 12:35:34 PM Subject: [lace] Copyright Dear Arachnids I still have copyright for all my books. As far as I am concerned I have given the Arizonal University the right to publish it free on their site and I do not think Google can do anything about it because it is still within copyright. Could the University can take out copyright for any on their site that are out of copyright so that they can continue to provide their excellent free service? Then Google would have to make arrangements with them. Happy lacemaking Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Google Books expired copyrights
In message d2f.4c84fe87.37fb8...@aol.com, dmt11h...@aol.com writes In the case of lace books that are rarely republished, this could be a very advantageous development. But if the author (like Alex, for instance) thinks she may wish to republish the book herself, she should be very aware of the requirements for opting out of the settlement which include specific dates by which she must do so. Is the agreement universal, or are Google only making an agreement with the large publishing houses? If the latter, then self-published books, and those publishers who do not sign up to the agreement, will be exempt from it? Devon's view suggests a compulsory purchase of copyright once a print run has sold out - rather than the purchase of expired copyrights which was first mentioned. Out of print does not equal expired copyright. I think this buyout by Google could apply to books where the copyright has been sold to a publisher (who is willing to sell it on), or books for which the author's content is out of copyright but the publisher is still in business and willing to sell on their rights to the layout, etc. I would also have thought that the agreement would not apply to those books which have already been republished - for example, Mrs Treadwin's book of which Lacet Publications published a facsimile several years ago - the original book is now out of copyright, and so a copy *of the original* could be made, but the facsimile version is still subject to copyright. I thought the Arizona CDs were copyrighted in their CD form, even though the content is either out of copyright or used with permission. Can you imagine the administrative nightmare that would befall Google if every author/copyright holder, for each and every book they held copyright to, contacted Google to opt in or out even within the same couple of months - it would take years to enter all the details into their system and make the payments! -- Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Copyright
The lawsuit only applies in the US. This was taken from the article, and an explanation of the 'different types' of books: Because this agreement resolves a United States lawsuit, it directly affects only those users who access Book Search in the U.S.; anywhere else, the Book Search experience won't change. Going forward, we hope to work with international industry groups and individual rightsholders to expand the benefits of this agreement to users around the world. This agreement helps define how our users may access different categories of books on Google Books. In-copyright and in-print books In-print books are books that publishers are still actively selling, the ones you see at most bookstores. This agreement expands the online marketplace for in-print books by letting authors and publishers turn on the preview and purchase models that make their titles more easily available through Book Search. In-copyright but out-of-print books Out-of-print books arent actively being published or sold, so the only way to procure one is to track it down in a library or used bookstore. When this agreement is approved, every out-of-print book that we digitize will become available online for preview and purchase, unless its author or publisher chooses to turn off that title. We believe it will be a tremendous boon to the publishing industry to enable authors and publishers to earn money from volumes they might have thought were gone forever from the marketplace. Out-of-copyright books This agreement doesn't affect how we display out-of-copyright books; we will continue to allow Book Search users to read, download and print these titles, just as we do today. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] lace fence and tatting
An October 4 New York Times T magazine article pictures D utch designer Tord Boontje' s lace fence installation at Phildelphia University and mentions that he taught himself to tat using grass growing outside his studio. http://www.nytimes.com . Put T magazine in the search box,and then, in next search box, choose Untangling the Web. (Remix: Untangling the Web is the first article). - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Tenerife Lace books
Thanks Avital and all who replied, I right clicked and saved and got it straight away hurrah Arachne came up trumps yet again. Sue M Harvey Norfolk UK -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Avital Sent: 05 October 2009 16:58 To: Lace List Subject: Re: [lace] Tenerife Lace books It's possible that the browser was slow in rendering the PDF when Sue tried to click on the link. I generally prefer to right-click the link and choose Save, rather than trying to read the PDF in the browser because it can be extremely slow in appearing. The site itself, with the list of names, renders very quickly because it's only text with a graphic background, but large PDFs can take forever. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] finding books etc in the Archives
Sorry some people have had trouble finding things easily and quickly in the Archives. I must admit that I too have to scratch my head occasionally when I am looking for something. However, by now I think that Avital and Alex, plus others, have covered the problem quite well, certainly where it concerns Alex's teneriffe book. http://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/books.html#S is pretty direct, although it means searching by author. If the book is recently posted, go to This Month, or earlier months. If you are looking for lace, go to http://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/lace.html Or Languages, if you are looking for something in another language. Or Topics, if you are specifically looking for some technique. Be warned, though, that this list is not foolproof. And yes, sometimes it takes a long time even with a high speed connection to complete a download. Be patient--there's a lot of stuff in these books. I have often thought there was a problem, only to find out that I hadn't given it enough time to do its thing. A note about the CDs. They are really are the best if you have a slow connection to the internet. You can go to http://www.handweaving.net/Store.aspx and buy them there. You can search the contents of each CD by clicking on the title of the CD: the contents are listed there. A good point was raised about the CDs: on this site they are always available. However, we are not publishing any more CDs after Number 8. It takes a long time to collect enough books to fill one CD, and the out of copyright sources have been drying up. So from now on, what we scan will go directly to the Archives site and be saved there, but not on a CD. Again, let me thank Alex for donating the Teneriffe book to the Archives. It is impossible for us to use new books because of the copyright restrictions, and it is only through the generosity of authors like her who give us written pemission to use their books that we can read them on the site. I know that we are all very grateful for this. Tess (tess1...@aol.com) in Maine, USA, where the trees are putting on their party dresses. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Re: [lace-chat] US Justice Sonia Sotomayor and her Lace
Dear Lorri -- So far I have had four responses (that's including you). When we have nine willing jabot-makers, we will proceed with the legalistics. Meanwhile, I suggest we take a look at the truly gorgeous handkerchief-jabot that is Project 7 (Plate 6) in Alexandra Stillwell's Geometrical Bucks Point Lace. When this project begins to look for real, I will have a chat with my lawyer. Just off the cuff, I don't know that one needs to ask permission to send a present. I should think we could send nine jabots in a beautiful box, together with a graceful letter about ourselves and the revival of handmade lace. Aurelia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] finding books etc in the Archives
Thanks for that Tess. Wouldn't it be nice if there were more lovely people like Alex in this world. So many lace books are out of print but still in copyright. I'm in the same boat as Clay - I had slow dialup when the discs first came out, but them all one at a time, and have now loaded them on to my external (backup) hard drive, where they can be accessed with a few keystrokes. Noelene in Cooma nlaffe...@ozemail.com.au Again, let me thank Alex for donating the Teneriffe book to the Archives. It is impossible for us to use new books because of the copyright restrictions, and it is only through the generosity of authors like her who give us written pemission to use their books that we can read them on the site. I know that we are all very grateful for this. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Google Books expired copyrights
It seems that the settlement has not gone through. However, I would not say it is compulsory sale of copyright since I don't think that Google would own the copyright. It is rather more a matter of paying the copyright holder for permission to publish the digitalized version without negotiating the price for that permission. The copyright holder would still hold the copyright, and in fact, receive money from Google. The copyright holder could grant permission to others to publish, or publish themselves. The problem is that if Google is making available a PDF version of the work, that will be competing with other publications of it. The fact that you could be inattentive to the need to opt out, then go to republish your work and find that Google is already selling a digitalized version, remitting money to you on a formula that you did not negotiate, is the problem. Your reprint of the book probably wouldn't sell well if it is competing with a digitalized version available through Google. As for the settlement, which has not gone through, it seems to indicate it would apply to all out of print books. For some authors it might be good because it might provide ongoing royalties to people who wrote books, or hold copyright to books, even after all the copies have been sold. These authors receive no royalties when used book sellers resell their books, people read them at the library, or borrow them from friends, or even photocopy them. It would be good for people who want to buy a legal copy of an out of print book, knowing the copyright holder will be compensated. It would be good for people who don't live near big research libraries but want to read obscure books. It probably would not be good for people who sell second hand books. It would be good for people who want to share their book widely for scholarly purposes, but don't want to republish it like Alex. It would allow publication of orphan works where the rights holder is unknown, or unlocatable with compensation being made to the rights owner if he or she then comes forward. It is hard to know how all the ramifications of it would work out. I think the judge has sent everyone back to the drawing board now to address all the many issues involved. Meanwhile, there are many public domain books available in full text on the Google book site, and they are somewhat searchable by key word, so that it is possible to search Pepys diary and the book by Daniel DeFoe's A Tour thro the whole island of Great Britain for the word lace. Devon PS. It is an administrative nightmare. In a message dated 10/5/2009 1:50:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jpartri...@pebble.demon.co.uk writes: Is the agreement universal, or are Google only making an agreement with the large publishing houses? If the latter, then self-published books, and those publishers who do not sign up to the agreement, will be exempt from it? Devon's view suggests a compulsory purchase of copyright once a print run has sold out - rather than the purchase of expired copyrights which was first mentioned. Out of print does not equal expired copyright. I think this buyout by Google could apply to books where the copyright has been sold to a publisher (who is willing to sell it on), or books for which the author's content is out of copyright but the publisher is still in business and willing to sell on their rights to the layout, etc. I would also have thought that the agreement would not apply to those books which have already been republished - for example, Mrs Treadwin's book of which Lacet Publications published a facsimile several years ago - the original book is now out of copyright, and so a copy *of the original* could be made, but the facsimile version is still subject to copyright. I thought the Arizona CDs were copyrighted in their CD form, even though the content is either out of copyright or used with permission. Can you imagine the administrative nightmare that would befall Google if every author/copyright holder, for each and every book they held copyright to, contacted Google to opt in or out even within the same couple of months - it would take years to enter all the details into their system and make the payments! -- Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] picture on internet????
Hello lacemakers, This is a little thing but it's driving me mad that I can't find it again. Janice Blair designed a pretty Christmas Tree Ornament last year that she kindly shared with us, I have the pattern but what I'm looking for is a picture of the same ornament done with variations. The pattern is lace designed to be put over a Christmas Ball. Has anyone seen the picture? I have an idea that it was on a guild's website. Hope someone else has seen this, otherwise I might be going nuts ;o) Irene Whitham Surrey, BC - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Re: Tenerife Lace books
On Oct 5, 2009, at 12:28, bev walker wrote: Go to www.handweaving.net where Kris has links to the lace documents and sells the CDs :)) While there why not check out the still small lace gallery? It is a subset of the weaving gallery. It needs more laces :D Except that... When I tried to submit one of my reconstructions - very a propos, being from a book that's available on the main site (Le Pompe, Book II) -- I was unable to. When I pursued it, I was told that (for once g) it wasn't just the fault of my own lack of 'puter literacy but that something was broken and would get straightened out. By-and-by. It may have been -- the event happened about 2 yrs ago -- but, by now, I've lost all interest in contributing to it; I'd rather make lace than fight with user-unfriendly sites. -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Re: finding books etc in the Archives
On Oct 5, 2009, at 17:57, Noelene Lafferty wrote: Thanks for that Tess. Wouldn't it be nice if there were more lovely people like Alex in this world. Hey, I'm a nice person, too :) With Tess's kind help/hard work (sine qua non) I was able to make my own booklet (Two-Pair Inventions pamphlet) available for everyone. Only, to find mine, you have to go to Monographs (rather than Books) to find it. And, of course, it no longer makes any money for The Lace Museum in Sunnyvale... -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Re: finding books etc in the Archives
Well, that makes two Maybe I should join the club and put my collection of lace poems on the Arizona U site? Tess, how do I go about this? Noelene in Cooma Where it might be spring, but we have a possibility of snow forecast for tomorrow. I told those newcomers to Cooma not to plant their tomato seedlings until late November. nlaffe...@ozemail.com.au Thanks for that Tess. Wouldn't it be nice if there were more lovely people like Alex in this world. Hey, I'm a nice person, too :). -- Tamara P Duvall - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Jabots
Dear Arachnids Keep me posted about the jabots and don't forget photos. I would love one of them all being worn. Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
