Re: [lace] Pricking material
If it is for a single use, I will often use file folders. I always seem to have tons of them around. It is thinner than usual card stock, so I would not use it for a lace with tightly packed pins, such as one of Ulrike's moths. :) Sherry - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Pricking material
I do not actually make a lot of lace, for a number of reasons, so re-use of a pricking is immaterial to me. I tend to simply photocopy the pricking in the book on ordinary copy paper, and then, if it is a large pricking, I will use the blue film to attach it to the pillow. I have made Torchon bookmarks from photocopied prickings with great success. I have also purchased a packet of card stock from Staples, an office supply chain, and copied the pricking from the book onto that. The copier at the office is excellent, was free, and there was no chance of any distortion. At Staples, you can find 100 sheets of 8inches x 11 1/2inches card stock of varying colors and thickness, and I picked one that seemed right to me. Traditionally, of course, one used thick glazed card stock for prickings because the pricking was used over and over, perhaps for years, and it needed to be sturdy. This is also true when one is going to copy a pricking with a pricker, pricking each hole and so on. If all you're doing is going down the hall to the copier, and spend a minute or two, the need for something to last through a lot of use disappears. Which brings me to my question. Assuming the copy machine is accurate, and that you're only going to use the pattern once, is there any other reason not to photocopy? Or has this been discussed before I joined? The distinction between non-commercial production of lace, and the commercial production of lace comes into play in many areas of lacemaking. It behooves us to keep that as a factor when discussing the methods used to make lace. Lyn in Pennsylvania, US, where our Memorial Day weekend is going to have mixed periods of rain and sun. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Re: Pricking card and cereal boxes
I cover pattern and card with clear tape, the transparent 'magic' tape is good because it doesn't cause glare, and it is cheap. Others use the blue plastic film you can purchase by the length from lace suppliers. I don't archive prickings, but I do like to use them more than once, often many times (and a plain paper pricking I was going to use 'once' ended up on the pillow for 12 pieces of the lace. It wasn't in good shape by the 12th lace!). I wouldn't use food box cardboard unless I had to, I have a stash of cover card from a print shop. This card has a good 'tooth' that is soft enough for the pins, yet firm to withstand repeated use. It is acid-free, although that isn't a concern for me (it might be for some, and the cereal-box card probably has preservatives in it, like BHT). For Honiton lace I would out of my way to acquire the glazed rigid card, best as someone else mentioned for using the needlepin. A word about the cereal-box card which tends to be quite soft and has little paper fibres, you want your Shreddies from the box not from the cardboard (joke?). OK and not a good one. Use whatever works for you ;) On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Mark Myers wrote: > I could. I guess I would have to leave it taped on or pinned on to the > card. But eventually that will get worn out. But the card with holes > won't > -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] lace in the news
For those who are interested in the revival of lace as fashion for today (Devon!) take a look at this: <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100528/ap_on_re_eu/eu_france_venus_fashion_statement > Tess (tess1...@aol.com) in cool, sunny Maine USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Re: Pricking card and cereal boxes
I could. I guess I would have to leave it taped on or pinned on to the card. But eventually that will get worn out. But the card with holes won't ;) I haven't used it much and the prickings I have used with it are not difficult. -- Mark, aka Tatman website: http://www.tat-man.net blog: http://tat-man.net/blog Magic Thread Shop: http://www.tat-man.net/tatterville/tatshop/tatshop.html email: tat...@tat-man.net On 5/28/10 11:58 AM, "Karen Zammit Manduca" wrote: > Mark - why can't you just leave the pattern on the card? I cannot work > without the drawn pattern unless it was very simple stitches :-))) Besides > the result is the same anyway. > Karen in Malta - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Re: Pricking card and cereal boxes
Mark - why can't you just leave the pattern on the card? I cannot work without the drawn pattern unless it was very simple stitches :-))) Besides the result is the same anyway. Karen in Malta -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Mark Myers Sent: 28 May 2010 17:49 To: Lace list Subject: [lace] Re: Pricking card and cereal boxes Nice repurposing of cereal boxes. Will have to remember that. I am always searching the house for some card stock to trace the pattern onto and then lay clear contact sheet over. Sometimes I raid my wife's scrapbooking card stock However, I acquired some thick card stock from where I work. I work at a band uniform company where there is lots of sewing machines, threads and patterns. BC(before computers), the tailor would use this orangish thick card stock to draft out the final pattern to be traced on the fabric for cutting. It is about 1mm thick and has a glazed coating. Much like what Brenda is describing. Only I think this might be thicker than hers. Since there sadly isn't any more handwork done in this factory(all computerized, even the pattern making) we no longer have this cardstock on hand. We still use the old pattern cards for placement of trims and stuff. I did manage to get a large sheet of it and have used it as a pricking card. I have the habit of not prepricking because I am anxious to get on with lacing the project. But with this thick card, you have to preprick! This glazed card doesn't break down and makes the pins stand straight and no wobbling. :) This card is thick and can take abuse. I lay the pattern over the card and preprick then remove pattern. All I have are the holes. The downside is there is no drawing of the pattern on the card. So have to refer to the working diagram and original pattern. But at least I know the life of the pricking will last. -- Mark, aka Tatman website: http://www.tat-man.net blog: http://tat-man.net/blog Magic Thread Shop: http://www.tat-man.net/tatterville/tatshop/tatshop.html email: tat...@tat-man.net On 5/28/10 10:29 AM, "Brenda Paternoster" wrote: > I understand that it's what is used for electronic circuit boards. > > However, many years ago in the late 1960s when I worked in a lab for Ministry > of Defence in Woolwich Arsenal testing papers and boards we used to test > something called 'glazed board' which used as casing for ammunition > cartridges. This was thin, dense, shiny card, the same as we use for > pricking card, but not having embarked on my lace career then I missed the > opportunity of getting masses of the (left over) stuff for free! > > Brenda - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Cereal box pricking card
I have used various 'box' materials for backing my photo copied prickings, which I then cover with sticky film. Great especially if you know you will be using in repeatedly. Lorri F -Washington State, USA, where it has been raining off and on all week. I NEED SOME SUN!!! Now a question--has anyone used a cereal box as an inexpensive alternative for pricking card? While I was crushing that big box of Special K, I suddenly realized that I had just scrunched something thicker than a manila folder & thinner than cardboard. Sigh. Susan in Erie, PA on the day after the sunset cruise on Lake Erie - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Re: Pricking card and cereal boxes
Nice repurposing of cereal boxes. Will have to remember that. I am always searching the house for some card stock to trace the pattern onto and then lay clear contact sheet over. Sometimes I raid my wife's scrapbooking card stock However, I acquired some thick card stock from where I work. I work at a band uniform company where there is lots of sewing machines, threads and patterns. BC(before computers), the tailor would use this orangish thick card stock to draft out the final pattern to be traced on the fabric for cutting. It is about 1mm thick and has a glazed coating. Much like what Brenda is describing. Only I think this might be thicker than hers. Since there sadly isn't any more handwork done in this factory(all computerized, even the pattern making) we no longer have this cardstock on hand. We still use the old pattern cards for placement of trims and stuff. I did manage to get a large sheet of it and have used it as a pricking card. I have the habit of not prepricking because I am anxious to get on with lacing the project. But with this thick card, you have to preprick! This glazed card doesn't break down and makes the pins stand straight and no wobbling. :) This card is thick and can take abuse. I lay the pattern over the card and preprick then remove pattern. All I have are the holes. The downside is there is no drawing of the pattern on the card. So have to refer to the working diagram and original pattern. But at least I know the life of the pricking will last. -- Mark, aka Tatman website: http://www.tat-man.net blog: http://tat-man.net/blog Magic Thread Shop: http://www.tat-man.net/tatterville/tatshop/tatshop.html email: tat...@tat-man.net On 5/28/10 10:29 AM, "Brenda Paternoster" wrote: > I understand that it's what is used for electronic circuit boards. > > However, many years ago in the late 1960s when I worked in a lab for Ministry > of Defence in Woolwich Arsenal testing papers and boards we used to test > something called 'glazed board' which used as casing for ammunition > cartridges. This was thin, dense, shiny card, the same as we use for > pricking card, but not having embarked on my lace career then I missed the > opportunity of getting masses of the (left over) stuff for free! > > Brenda - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Pricking card and cereal boxes
I understand that it's what is used for electronic circuit boards. However, many years ago in the late 1960s when I worked in a lab for Ministry of Defence in Woolwich Arsenal testing papers and boards we used to test something called 'glazed board' which used as casing for ammunition cartridges. This was thin, dense, shiny card, the same as we use for pricking card, but not having embarked on my lace career then I missed the opportunity of getting masses of the (left over) stuff for free! Brenda On 28 May 2010, at 16:00, laceandb...@aol.com wrote: > Now a question, does anyone know what *real* pricking card is actually made > for. I don't believe it's made for lace makers only; we just re-purpose it > as it does the job we want. Brenda in Allhallows www.brendapaternoster.me.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Pricking card and cereal boxes
Jacquie wrote > And another > example would be architects linen which was obviously never made for needle > lacers. Now that's something I have experience of :o) I rescued a roll from going in the skip at work when we were clearing out the store room. It hadn't been used in Drawing Offices for many years having been superseded by drafting film many years ago. Claire Kent,UK Claire Allen www.bonitocrafts.co.uk Crafty stuff I want to show off. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Pricking card and cereal boxes
In a message dated 28/05/2010 14:35:26 GMT Daylight Time, hottl...@neo.rr.com writes: > Now a question--has anyone used a cereal box as an inexpensive > alternative for pricking card? All the time under either graph paper or a photocopy pricking. Not so often if I want to ink onto the card. It's good if you want to prick-as-you-go because it is a little softer than real pricking card, so you can use all but the finest pin to make the hole. It's what we were given to work on at the lace class in Moscow, so now I wouldn't dream of teaching Michailov lace using anything else I wouldn't use it if I wanted to use the pricking more than once - in the way you might use two lengths of pricking to leapfrog on a block pillow or round a roller pillow - as it does break down more easily than the very compressed pricking card. Also the backs of greetings cards, or just two layers of the 160grams per sq metre art type card, that will feed happily through a photocopier. Now a question, does anyone know what *real* pricking card is actually made for. I don't believe it's made for lace makers only; we just re-purpose it as it does the job we want. In much the same way as the very fine silk mesh which is sold for an exorbitant figure in tiny pieces for doll house scale embroidery is actually silk screen printing mesh. (When I bought it as a length about 20 years ago it was nearly £100 a metre, but selling it on to the dolls house club members in 10cm squares, at considerably less than the small-piece commercial going rate, I still trebled my money.) And another example would be architects linen which was obviously never made for needle lacers. Jacquie in Lincolnshire - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] whitening, dyeing & finishing threads
While in a desperate crisis of needing-to-start-a-project I have been known to use a cereal box. I have also used subject dividers (like in a two-ring box file). Sr. Claire On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 16:45, Elizabeth Shipp wrote: > Hi Susan, > > I have never used a cereal box myself, but a number of the experienced > ladies in class when I started taking bobbin lace lessons used cereal box > board, or even slightly thicker cardboard than that. > > Best regards > Elizabeth > Nice, France > > > > On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 3:34 PM, wrote: > > > Now a question--has anyone used a cereal box as an inexpensive > alternative > > for pricking card? While I was crushing that big box of Special K, I > > suddenly realized that I had just scrunched something thicker than a > manila > > folder & thinner than cardboard. Sigh. Susan in Erie, PA on the day > after > > the sunset cruise on Lake Erie > > > > - > To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: > unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to > arachnemodera...@yahoo.com > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Cheshire Lacemakers
Is there anyone on this forum who belongs to the North Cheshire Lacemakers group that meets in Helsby? I'm thinking of coming along, and it would be nice to *know* someone before I go. (I'm not the most confident about going into a group where I don't know anyone) Lesley Marple UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] whitening, dyeing & finishing threads
Hi Susan, I have never used a cereal box myself, but a number of the experienced ladies in class when I started taking bobbin lace lessons used cereal box board, or even slightly thicker cardboard than that. Best regards Elizabeth Nice, France On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 3:34 PM, wrote: > Now a question--has anyone used a cereal box as an inexpensive alternative > for pricking card? While I was crushing that big box of Special K, I > suddenly realized that I had just scrunched something thicker than a manila > folder & thinner than cardboard. Sigh. Susan in Erie, PA on the day after > the sunset cruise on Lake Erie > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] whitening, dyeing & finishing threads
Hello All! More 2 cents worth--that will make 6 cents for today! Many, many stains may be removed safely with either vinegar or Murphy's Oil Soap. It depends on what the "stain" is, oil soap removes oil-based, vinegar removes others. I usually start with the oil soap, especially on dining room/kitchen items as oils in foods are the likely suspects. Plan on multiple washings. Toss it in a mesh laundry bag & let the machine do the job. Unless you plan to leave the item to the V&A, don't worry. Many "vintage" pieces are much more robust than you think--remember what sort of laundry care they endured back when! Rit "color remover" works too although I haven't seen this product in awhile & would reserve this as a last resort. As to colors, you could probabaly Google & get a list. There have been articles in newspapers & craft/textile magazines in the past that gave "recipes" for colors. I believe that chamomile yields pink? Confirmation anyone? Last year I used the " knot on the move" technique to connect two ends of a length of trails, after the sewings. The person who showed me the technique called it Brussels, but later someone else more experienced called it Bruges finish. Now a question--has anyone used a cereal box as an inexpensive alternative for pricking card? While I was crushing that big box of Special K, I suddenly realized that I had just scrunched something thicker than a manila folder & thinner than cardboard. Sigh. Susan in Erie, PA on the day after the sunset cruise on Lake Erie - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Knot name.
When in the Brownies, I was taught to call the first half of a reef knot an overhand knot. I Googled overhand knot instructions and came up with: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4lLw-LjfVk Sue Babbs - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Knot name.
Jacquie, my German teacher named it the Bruges knot row - Brügger Knotenreihe. But I am sure there are other "names" as well. It is a pity that so many things in bobbin lacemaking with more than one name. But who will say these one are the right ones. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] PBLC Lace Day
Hi Everyone, I hope that you will not mind if I post a message about Poole Bobbin Lace Circle's Lace Day on June 5th. If you haven't bought your ticket yet there is still time, the date of May 22nd was for tickets which included the Ploughman's lunch. Details of the Lace Day are in The Lacemakers' Circle Magazine, The Lace Society Magazine and Lace, also they are on our website: http://www.cyberlink.co.uk/pblc/laceday.htm Ticket price is £4.50. -- Eve Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] RE: Silk thread (B&F cones)
The reason why the thinner 150 den Argentina silk and the thicker 70/2
Colcotton are both listed as 32 w/cm is because when the Argentina was wrapped
it flattened and therefore spread out more than the Colcoton did. This happens
with any loosely spun thread and will have happened to a lesser extent with the
Colcoton too. Another thread which I've listed as 32 w/cm is DMC Cordonnet
100.
Theoretically the Cordonnet 100/6 is much thicker than the Colcoton 70/2
(100/6 = 16.7cc - 70/2 = 35 cc)
but the double plying of the Cordonnet means that it's a much firmer and
rounder thread which doesn't spread when the wrappings are done as the Colcoton
did.
The loosely spun threads which spread when they are wrapped will also spread
when they are made into lace and so the system of comparing wraps/cm works
across all types of thread. Samples of BL made using those three threads on
the same pricking should end up much the same size in area but the
thickness/depth of the lace will vary.
Interesting project; I'm pretty sure I can find some Cordonnet 100 and some of
the B&F Argentina silk in my stash but I don't think I have any Colcoton 70/2
now.
Brenda
On 28 May 2010, at 06:19,
wrote:
> My first attempt didn't work well. The thread ("Argentina") is listed in
> Brenda's book as the same thickness as Venne Colcotton and I tried it with
> Rosalibre. It's actually *much* thinner than the Colcotton. I think it's
> too thin for what you want. It's like silk floss (not silk embroidery floss)
> in being many (extremely fine) filaments loosely twisted, but it's not as
> difficult as other silk flosses I've used. When sewing, a crochet hook can
> fail to grab all the filaments with Argentina and with floss. However, I
> usually use an "eyes out" or "lazy kate", so that wasn't a big problem.
Brenda in Allhallows
www.brendapaternoster.me.uk
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