[lace] Beads & bobbins

2011-01-24 Thread Elizabeth Ligeti
Brian asks :"  [hands up those who remember toasting their
bread on the fire using a long toasting fork!  Delicious!]

 

Well, yes, My hand is held high!!   The toast (or crumpets) were Always
better toasted by the fire, - got a bit of a smokey flavour to enhance it.
Lovely!

 

Maybe The bobbin maker was trying to educate the lacemakers, and making sure
that Pharoah was known to be the Egyptian equivalent of a King!!!

I must get my other old bobbins out, and see if I can find any other strange
names!!!

 

Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz.

lizl...@bigpond.com

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[lace] Freemans Classification of bobbins

2011-01-24 Thread Brian Lemin
I said a week or so ago that I would post it on "weavers".  Quite rightly they
have asked that I get permission from the publishers before  it is posted.

I have written to Luton museum for said permission.  They first published his
book in 1958 and in a previous communication they seemed  not to have any
ambition to re publish it, and the Classification is only a few pages of the
whole.

But right is right and I will let you know what happens.

I am not sure how big the PDF file is, but if a person is desperate for a copy
then I will send it to them.  No copyright issue with that.

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[lace] Meanings of beads etc

2011-01-24 Thread Brian Lemin
I love this thought, and I am so glad that there are people who do not want to
to lose these ancient symbols and meanings.

It is especially interesting to me and my colleague who are currently doing
some work (mainly my colleague.. not so much me) on the decoration of East
Devon Bobbins.  What do all those symbols mean?  I have learned that there are
about 6 or 8 ways of depicting an anchor... each of which means something
different.  I am currently delving into the meanings of different types of
lines (Starting with heraldic lines)

We have never really got to the bottom of the Mother and Babe symbolism, what
does it mean, when was it given or ordered, and as I raised some time ago...
what if there are multi babes in the shank?

All this is fascinating stuff.

Never let us downgrade the value of history or the recording of it.  I might
add, however small the detail, as other who come after us may well build on
what we know or think.

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[lace] Meanings of beads, weavings, embroidery symbols and some laces

2011-01-24 Thread Jeriames
Dear Lacemakers, 
 
This will be just a general overview.
 
Beads of various types have been used to "protect" for many  centuries.  
Some have old tales attached to them.  Subject is well  covered in bead books.
 
>From "The Shining Cloth" by Victoria Z. Rivers --- "Paleolithic Western  
Asia may have been the point of origin connecting beads, eyes, and protective  
magic, for the earliest reference to the evil eye came from Sumerian clay  
tablets of the 3rd millennium BC."
 
When I list the types of books in my library, it includes "related  
subjects".  That includes beads, which seem to have had a much higher  survival 
rate than textiles.  And then, there are books about Goddess  embroideries, and 
the symbolic meanings of them.  Also, what has been  exhumed from ancient 
burial sites in various parts of the world.
 
Some books tell of the meanings of embroideries, such as symbols for  
snakes, stitched around all openings of womens' clothing:  neck, sleeves,  
bottom 
hem -- to protect.  
 
During the 20th C. when various eastern European nations suffered so much  
cultural destruction, books began to come out that would describe patterns 
as  "traditional (name of nation) embroidery".  The truth is that the  
origins and meanings of the individual symbols are known.
 
When you see a traditional middle eastern rug or embroidery or  tapestry 
with what looks like symbols, know that those designs are ancient and  did/do 
have meanings.  
 
When you use such design elements for inspiration when designing lace (per  
recent correspondence) they are called adaptations.
 
Off the top of my head, I am reminded of some embroidery and lace -- very  
similar designs -- in  older "ethnic" books.  Lace is attached to  an 
embroidered cloth that you can see was deliberately designed to go  together.  
If 
the embroidery design told a story, so does the lace.  
 
All this, because of discussions about spangling beads for bobbins!   It is 
complex, but magical. Unlikely to be found in most lace libraries, but  
definitely better for some of us to know about than not.
 
I hope you appreciate all the creative people who have left evidence  of 
their heritage to us, whether you agree or not with their beliefs.
 
Jeri Ames in  Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center
(It is one degree above zero fahrenheit as this note is being written in  
snow-covered Maine.)

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RE: [lace] Square cuts

2011-01-24 Thread The Lace Bee
I sort of suffer from the other extreme of this.  Because I used to work in
London near two fabulous bead shops I would spend a portion of my mad money
each month on beads (you know mad money ... the stuff you put aside to treat
yourself with so you don't go mad!).
 
Because I didn't need to buy a full necklace of beads I could squander some of
the mad money on exquisite beads that I would buy just 2 beads as my centres
for a pair of bobbins and then put them on relatively cheap bobbins.
 
Yesterday, my husband and I were looking at the piece I'm currently working on
which has over 70 pairs on it and he commented that this was a picture of my
life as I could trace lace events back over 20 years (can I really be that
old!) and I was looking at a pair of bobbins that cost about 3 or 4 pounds to
buy but that have the most beautiful sparkly japanese centre beads on them ...
each bead cost over a tenner but they are lovely.
 
L

Kind Regards

Liz Baker

thelace...@btinternet.com

--- On Mon, 24/1/11, Margery Allcock  wrote:


From: Margery Allcock 
Subject: RE: [lace] Square cuts
To: lace@arachne.com, laceandb...@aol.com
Date: Monday, 24 January, 2011, 22:14


Liz Baker (thelacebee) wrote:
> I saw a well known lacemaker at a fair who had spangled
> every bobbin exactly the same - she thought it was out of
> this world and I was aghast!!!

When I used to do demos at shows, I had a good collection of identical
bobbins, all spangled identically ...

I did it out of mischief, really; several times people watching had
said to each other "How does she know which one to move next?"
"They're all marked with different beads - that must be how."  I
wanted to find out how they thought I knew which one to move next.

Margery.
==
margerybu...@o2.co.uk in North Herts, UK
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Re: [lace] lace photos

2011-01-24 Thread Clay Blackwell

Well, now I feel positively, absolutely inadequate!  What stunning work!!!

Clay

On 1/24/2011 2:44 PM, Lorelei Halley wrote:

Hello
Here are some Russian (I think) bobbinlace clothes, evening wear.
http://picasaweb.google.com/116123880781256601574/201002#


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RE: [lace] Square cuts

2011-01-24 Thread Margery Allcock
Liz Baker (thelacebee) wrote:
> I saw a well known lacemaker at a fair who had spangled
> every bobbin exactly the same - she thought it was out of
> this world and I was aghast!!!

When I used to do demos at shows, I had a good collection of identical
bobbins, all spangled identically ... 

I did it out of mischief, really; several times people watching had
said to each other "How does she know which one to move next?"
"They're all marked with different beads - that must be how."  I
wanted to find out how they thought I knew which one to move next.

Margery.
== 
margerybu...@o2.co.uk in North Herts, UK 
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[lace] square cut beads

2011-01-24 Thread hottleco
Hello All!  Perhaps I didn't Google far enough, but I didn't find much when I 
looked for "square cut beads".  There were lots of hits for square shape, flat 
beads with facets--sort of like "cushion cut" in gems.  Tracy doesn't seem to 
have them on her Lacemaker site & at Shipwreck Beads, they appear to be 
classified under "cubes".  Shipwreck has some lovely ones but the pesky holes 
are located on the "sides".  To solve the issue with unsightly spaces between 
cubes/square cuts, some modern versions have a different hole placement.  When 
the holes are located at the "corners", they lie nicely next to one another & 
make a nice spangle.  Just a thought & certainly "not" traditional!  Sincerely, 
Susan Hottle, Palm Beach Gardens Florida

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[lace] lace photos

2011-01-24 Thread Laceandbits
I suspect it is the St Peterburgh equivalent of the Institute of Fine Arts
where we studied in Moscow.  The pieces shown look as if they might be the
Graduate Show.  In Moscow, the graduation pieces (in all the specialities)
are *donated* to the institute's collection; I'm not quite sure how far up my
back my arm would need to be to encourage me to donate those bits of lace.

Also of great interest are the pieces in frames on the walls behind.  They
are the working drawings for the lace, which is what the designer will give
to the 'factory' for the lacemakers to copy.  They are drawn onto the
coloured paper from the original draft, and each thread path is handpainted in
with gouache paint and a fine brush.  When you first see them, you have to be
very close before you realise they aren't lace.

Jacquie in Lincolnshire

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Re: [lace] Square cuts

2011-01-24 Thread The Lace Bee
I use square cut lacemaker's beads in my spangles (these are the one's that
look like they've been made with a cheese grater because a file has been
pressed into them) and I have previously bought hand blown squares from the
bead shop that used to be in Covent Garden that were Italian and Japanese
made.
 
I usually put a small seed bead between each bead to 'mask' the wire but
that's just my preference.  If I'm going to get a big gap then I use a larger
seed bead but again, that's just my preference.
 
As has been said before on this list - how you spangle your bobbins is your
own preference.  I saw a well known lacemaker at a fair who had spangled every
bobbin exactly the same - she thought it was out of this world and I was
aghast!!!  Each to their own and don't let anyone tell you what is right or
wrong.
 
In the words of Rikki Lake ... You go girl!

Kind Regards

Liz Baker

thelace...@btinternet.com

--- On Sun, 23/1/11, laceandb...@aol.com  wrote:


From: laceandb...@aol.com 
Subject: [lace] Square cuts
To: lace@arachne.com
Date: Sunday, 23 January, 2011, 13:14


Having read all the comments about square cuts etc, I must add that apart
from the ones I have on antique bobbins, I don't use them. 

I don't like them for spangles as they don't sit together as well as round
beads do, and they leave a gap of wire between them (do I fill it with a
tiny bead? do I leave the wire showing?).  Easier just not to use them at all
:-)

Jacquie in Lincolnshire

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Re: [lace] Modern "Square Cut beads."

2011-01-24 Thread The Lace Bee
Just got back onto the lists after being away for a while and can answer this
one.
 
I have many square beads made with a glass makers file produced by Tuffnell
Glass.  Strange as I have just got down at the weekend my boxes with my spare
lacemaking bits in them (usually stored in the loft) and was looking at a
handblown Xmas ornament kit I bought from them back in 2005.
 
They are still on the web at http://www.tuffnellglass.com/ but I can't see any
square cuts.
 
L

Kind Regards

Liz Baker

thelace...@btinternet.com

--- On Sun, 23/1/11, Brian Lemin  wrote:


From: Brian Lemin 
Subject: [lace] Modern "Square Cut beads."
To: lace@arachne.com
Date: Sunday, 23 January, 2011, 4:38


I have started writing the article on restoration of lace bobbins, and have
started with the spangle, being the most frequent restoration that is
undertaken.
Most historical beads are produced by modern bead makers, but I do not know
if
I have ever seen modern "square cuts" with the file indentations on them.

Have you?

Are they around?  If so where?

Thanks

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Re: [lace] lace photos

2011-01-24 Thread Claire Allen
I saw that one too. The texture from all those packed together leaves is 
beautiful.

So evenly sized and shaped too.


Claire Allen
www.bonitocrafts.co.uk
Crafty stuff I want to show off.



On 24 Jan 2011, at 20:39, Sue Babbs wrote:

> And on this site, there is an amazing piece full of leaves:
> http://picasaweb.google.com/116123880781256601574/201002#5554724157628063074
> 

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Re: [lace] lace photos

2011-01-24 Thread Sue Babbs

And on this site, there is an amazing piece full of leaves:
http://picasaweb.google.com/116123880781256601574/201002#5554724157628063074

The comments below it suggests that the work is done by high school 
students! See:
"This degree of high school students of folk arts in the city of St. 
Petersburg. Woven from flax."


Sue

sueba...@comcast.net
-Original Message- 
From: Lorelei Halley


Here are some Russian (I think) bobbinlace clothes, evening wear.
http://picasaweb.google.com/116123880781256601574/201002#

Lorelei

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[lace] lace photos

2011-01-24 Thread Lorelei Halley
Hello
Here are some Russian (I think) bobbinlace clothes, evening wear.
http://picasaweb.google.com/116123880781256601574/201002#

Lorelei

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[lace] Turkish eye beads

2011-01-24 Thread Randolph Lyon
Years ago I spent 6 weeks in Turkey with a family.  The mother, in  
particular, believed that the evil eye beads would protect a person  
from the evil eye, though I'm not sure what that means.  They had a  
little girl who was just walking, and they fastened an evil eye bead  
or charm with a safety pin on the back of her shirt where she couldn't  
reach it.  Years later, when I had my first child, they sent me an  
evil eye bead charm, too.  When I started making lace a few years ago,  
I found an evil eye charm on a bracelet they had given me.  It's now  
hanging on a spangled bobbin.


Ruth
Dubuque, Iowa, USA   where it's cold with snow flurries




I have many of the Turkish eye beads that I collected while on  
holiday but
do not know if they are supposed to protect you against the evil eye  
or

whether they are supposed to be just lucky, have heard different
descriptions of what they are meant to do from the Turks that sold  
them .
The only problem with them is that many of them are not the right  
shape to

use on bobbins, but  I love them anyway.



Sue M Harvey

Norfolk UK

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Re: strange bobbin names Was [lace] Re: Old bobbin

2011-01-24 Thread Diane Williams
It makes me giggle when someone in the far future looks at a pair of bobbins
that I have and wonders why they say "Security" on them!

They were a gift
from a friend and former boss who used to call me Security.  I 
was his
secretary (Office Manager, but really a Secretary) and kept control of 
who
got in and who didn't.  He snagged my Roseground catalog once from the house
with help from my DH and I received the pair of bobbins for my birthday.  He
had 
no idea what he was ordering, but he had seen me working on my lace quite
a 
lot.  He called it my "knitting."
 Diane Williams 
drswilli...@yahoo.com
Galena Illinois USA 
My blog - http://dianelaces.wordpress.com/

From: Joy Beeson 
To:
lace@arachne.com
Sent: Mon, January 24, 2011 10:56:22 AM
Subject: [lace] Re:
Old bobbin

Or it could have been a pair of dogs.

Or, "King" being a dog's
name and "Pharaoh" being, I vaguely
recall from somewhere in this thread, a
horse's name,
perhaps King was a coach dog.

(The Egyptian finds are the most
probable, but where's the
fun in that?)

-- Joy Beeson
http://home.comcast.net/~debeeson/DaveCam/
west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A.
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[lace] Re: Old bobbin

2011-01-24 Thread Joy Beeson

On 1/23/11 9:03 PM, Sue Babbs wrote:


Ah! but you don't know which word to read first. SO king
may have been the last name i.e.  Pharaoh King. I can see
some parent with a weird sense of humour choosing to call
their child that. Maybe his middle name was Tsar!


Or it could have been a pair of dogs.

Or, "King" being a dog's name and "Pharaoh" being, I vaguely
recall from somewhere in this thread, a horse's name,
perhaps King was a coach dog.

(The Egyptian finds are the most probable, but where's the
fun in that?)

--
Joy Beeson
http://home.comcast.net/~debeeson/DaveCam/
west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A.

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[lace] Follow up to square beads at Swanley

2011-01-24 Thread Laceandbits
I have consulted the oracle as suggested, and it is even known which year I 
was at the Swanley lace day (I only went once in the 80s) as I was 'caught 
on camera'.

The glass bead maker was D Ledger (Dennis? or maybe Derek?), but I had 
remembered correctly that he was elderly then so 25 years on it is unlikely 
that 
he still makes them.

Jacquie in Lincolnshire

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RE: [lace] Square cuts: Database of beads

2011-01-24 Thread Sue
Thank you Brian  for that site, I have been through it (took ages) and have
identified many of my beads that I previously did not know the origin of the
style.  

 

I have many of the Turkish eye beads that I collected while on holiday but
do not know if they are supposed to protect you against the evil eye or
whether they are supposed to be just lucky, have heard different
descriptions of what they are meant to do from the Turks that sold them .
The only problem with them is that many of them are not the right shape to
use on bobbins, but  I love them anyway.

 

Sue M Harvey

Norfolk UK

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