Re: [lace] RE: thorns for pins
But wouldn't these thorns be awfully thick? Sr. Claire On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 07:21, robinl...@socal.rr.com wrote: -- Rebecca Mikkelsen mikkelsen_rebe...@hotmail.com wrote: Is there a certain kind of fish with bones particularly suited to use as a pin? Does anyone know of a thorn that would work as a pin?-- In England, no. However, several species of Acacia (trees) and some other exotic plants have thorns over 1 inch (2.5 cm) and are very sharp. Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA robinl...@socal.rr.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] RE: thorns for pins
On 20/05/11 4:11 PM, Sister Claire wrote: Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA some thorns are very thin such as cactus needles. Anna - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] RE: thorns for pins
Ah, I see. I didn't think of those long skinny things as thorns. Thank you! Sr. Claire On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 10:16, Anna Binnie l...@binnie.id.au wrote: On 20/05/11 4:11 PM, Sister Claire wrote: Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA some thorns are very thin such as cactus needles. Anna - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Calling Lace teachers in the Midlands (UK)
Dear Friends I've agreed to attend an Open Farm Sunday event in Coleshill near to Birmingham in the UK to show and demonstrate my bobbin lace. Apart from a farm walk and talk, the farmer is trying to gather together groups of local, country crafters to provide extra interest. Some friends recomended me to him and last weekend I went to visit and show him some of my lace and what I'd propose for the event (Pillow with a simple pattern for people to try, my scrapbooks with photos of completed lace a pillow with a big spectacular design in progress etc!). I'll be in a barn that's been converted to a classroom. It's clean, light, and airy with a big table and desk chairs - and a tea making area. There's even a push pin board that's covered in dark blue that I can use to display some of my lace pieces! Today I'm doing my lists of jobs to do before the event and my list of what to take. The point of his e-mail is to ask if any of you who teach lacemaking in the area would be happy to send me contact details (off the list) that I could give to any of the visitors who might want to take up lacemaking. It would be great to have someone new take up our great craft. I haven't ever taught anyone else myself, and in any case I live about 35 miles away from the farm, which is probably outside the catchment area for the visitors. As well as a list of contacts I'm going to do a favourite web-sites list with suppliers sites. I'd like to have available a couple of sites where they could go to buy a complete kit to start them off if they are interested but can't locate a class near to their homes. I know Biggins Presencia sell a good one (I'm self taught frrom the boook in it) but do you know of any others? Many thanks Viv in Worcestershire UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Calling Lace teachers in the Midlands (UK)
Viv - rather than giving out names of teachers etc, why don't you collect the names of the people interested, then you could forward the names to the teacher to contact the prospective student with dates, times, supplies and costs, rather than having 'odd' people calling them. You will still need the teachers to contact you with the area where they teach. Malvary in Ottawa where it has stopped raining for a while, although more is forecast for today and the weekend. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
RE: [lace] Re: Pricker Cover
This reply may be too on topic. But to read Susan's reply below, with a different object in mind, is absolutely hilarious. Thanks for giving me a great laugh and I hope I'm not the only one with a deviant mind. Diane Z Lubec, Maine USA -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Susan Reishus Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 4:57 PM To: post to Arachne Cc: Susan Subject: [lace] Re: Pricker Cover I missed the original post (obviously), so better understand your query. It seems like in the main, you need something soft to anchor the needle, harder surround to keep it contained, and some rigging to anchor all. What comes to mind is Craft Foam (in UK, I think it is called Fun Foam), coiled and put within a case, or a synthetic equivalent. Again, something soft but dense, would be felted wool. There should be a myriad of other things, such as rubber or it's imitations. Cork seems to split, and is cumbersome to give enough protection to me. Whether you used a clutch (superb idea and they have rubber inserts), or used something ranging from a plastic pen cap to a long and narrow tin or plastic container, it can be filled with the soft contents from the paragraph above. If an elastic (such as elastic cord or narrow sewing elastic) was anchored at the bottom of the hard container and attached at the end of the pricker, it should work. That could range from the elastic glued (E6000 holds anything the best) or a small ring or D ring attached (if you have a drill and anchor it inside), then resistance at the butt of the pricker (from a groove cut, to a piece of fuzzy velcro or even wool felt glued) would resist the elastic from slipping (it could even come from two sides, juxtaposed). If you use the drill again, a small eyelet screw could be attached to the wood end of your pricker, and lobster clasps come from the elastic to hook into the eyelet. You probably don't want a bunch of things sticking out of your pricker, but can see what I am saying conceptually. Even a stuffed lady bug (lady bird in UK?) could hold the cord elastic through it's midsection. You may even find a small pretty semi-precious stone at the lapidary, that could be glued on the end and would anchor elastic, or even a tied on ribbon, etc. Lots of options, but one choice affects the other components and solution. Take a look at double pointed needle holders. They are set to hold the points of both ends (with elastic between), but perhaps you could modify one end to make it flatter or grab the butt end of your pricker (with previous suggestion). Depending upon how big your pricker is, you could just go to the hardware store and purchase PVC tubing (used in plumbing here) to accommodate it, with two end caps. Glue one in place, and stuff that end with something soft (again felted wool is a good one and will release fairly easily also, and lanolin is good for your needle), and the other end cap is removed when you want to access. If it is loose or becomes so over time, then buff it with a rough nail file, or try a bit of silicone seal or fine rubber band, etc. to make sure it stays tight until you want to remove it. HTH, Susan Reishus A couple of layers of foam, within a hard plastic end cap, should be enough to store flat, and could even be put in a tool roll if anchored by velcro, etc. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] RE: thorns for pins
erm, I've lost the thread. Would cactus have been known to lacemakers? I've also lost track of what thorns were mentioned as possibles for pinning - maybe hawthorn was one of them. Climbing through such a bush as a kid (in Canada) - the thorns 'bite' if you get stuck by one. I soon learned to avoid them I would think if they or any other plant thorn were used as pins, use of them would persist in plant lore. That is to say, if the thorns worked well as pins once upon a time, we might still, on occasion, grab a few thorns from the convenient bush. But we don't, do we? Jujst a thought. I have no idea what the early lacemakers used for pins... On 5/20/11, Sister Claire quietasa...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, I see. I didn't think of those long skinny things as thorns. some thorns are very thin such as cactus needles. -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] safe place
and I think my spare glasses must be there too! Sue sueba...@comcast.net - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] safe place
... along with my mum's necklace that I would have loved to let Kyra wear on her forthcoming wedding, but it went missing from Mum's about 10 years ago!! Sue in EY where it's trying to rain On 20 May 2011, at 17:32, Sue Babbs wrote: and I think my spare glasses must be there too! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Thorns for pins
Bev wrote: erm, I've lost the thread. Would cactus have been known to lacemakers? If the early lacemakers lived in areas where cacti grew. Certainly not the UK. Would Spain be a possibility? Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Early lace knitting machine
Knitting together http://www.knittingtogether.org.uk/cat.asp?cat=599 The East Midlands, UK, knitting industry is the subject of the fantastic virtual and physical museum called Knitting Together. The knitting industry has been in the East Midlands since the 16th century, and visitors interested in learning about the ever evolving, sometimes violent history of knitting manufacture will definitely want to check out the Timeline located on the right side of any page. The timeline is very thorough, and explains the social consequences of increasingly sophisticated knitting technology. Along with each segment of the timeline, visitors can view and learn about objects from the collection that relate to the events of the timeline, such as a piece of lace made circa 1769 that may be one of the oldest pieces of machine-made lace. Clicking on Virtual Museum and then Town Tour will lead visitors to a tour of Leicester, which offers visitors a chance to take a virtual tour of all the significant sites of the town. Visitors just need to click on the purple circles on the map to see recent, quality photographs of buildings that once housed knitting factories, along with an informational blurb about the building or location. By clicking on timeline 1750-1810, and then “Changing products”, “more” you get to the early lace knitting machine. -Karen in Washington, DC - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] RE: thorns for pins
On 20/05/2011 05:21, robinl...@socal.rr.com wrote: -- Rebecca Mikkelsenmikkelsen_rebe...@hotmail.com wrote: Is there a certain kind of fish with bones particularly suited to use as a pin? Does anyone know of a thorn that would work as a pin?-- In England, no. However, several species of Acacia (trees) and some other exotic plants have thorns over 1 inch (2.5 cm) and are very sharp. Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA robinl...@socal.rr.com What about blackthorn thorns? They grow to over an inch long and I know from when I gather sloes that they are very sharp. Lesley on holiday in Cornwall UK, but still connected to the internet! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Doilies
I found a bargain in Poundland today, a set of 12 small cotton doilies all hand crochet around the edge - for the princely sum of £1. As the crochet is somewhat uneven I suspect they have been hand made and shipped from Asia. I sorted through my larger beads and have sewn 14 beads around the edge, they make lovely covers for small jugs, cups, glasses etc and I will be using them in the garden to keep out flies and bugs. Sue M Harvey Norfolk UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Pins, thorns and bone slivers
Dear Arachnids These ideas about using thorns and fish bones have been around for a long time. Has anyone actually tried using thorns or fishbones to make lace? I mean the very fine lace made at the time the thorns were supposed to have been used. Did they work or not? Regarding the type of thorn, they would have to be from plants found in the hedgerowa at the time, not exotic ones like cacti. I'm not sure if pyrocantha would have been found. Does anyone know? There are many old wives tales around, but you have to try them to prove their validity and not blindly perpetuate them. I have debunked several. Looking forward to hearing from you. Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Pins, thorns and bone slivers
The point is well made. Pins have been around since the bronze age so the question begs to be asked why use thorns, fish bones etc when you have access to pins. Now since lace making as we know it came into being around the 15th century (please correct me if I'm a bit early here), but pins of every variety were available at this time. I should point out that at this time they were relatively expensive since reference to pins is made in wills and dowries (only expensive items are so enumerated). BUT if you consider that some forms of early lace do not require many pins the problem is solved. By the time that the point laces came along, some experienced lace makers were NOT using pins on the ground BUT on the 'pattern part only, so again a multitude of pins was not required. By the time lace makers were using hundreds or even thousands of pins the price of pins had dropped significantly. Anna On 21/05/11 7:30 AM, Alex Stillwell wrote: Dear Arachnids These ideas about using thorns and fish bones have been around for a long time. Has anyone actually tried using thorns or fishbones to make lace? I mean the very fine lace made at the time the thorns were supposed to have been used. Did they work or not? Regarding the type of thorn, they would have to be from plants found in the hedgerowa at the time, not exotic ones like cacti. I'm not sure if pyrocantha would have been found. Does anyone know? There are many old wives tales around, but you have to try them to prove their validity and not blindly perpetuate them. I have debunked several. Looking forward to hearing from you. Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Thorns for pins
In reference to cactus thorns - or at least the ones I've run into in the desert southwest (US) - they are all barbed to a certain degree, so they easily go in, but catch on the way back out. Some experiences have been painful. So I highly doubt cactus thorns would have been used for lacemaking. I believe they have been used for sewing, but only when you can pull them through, not back out. Beth enjoying the last of a warm sunny spring day in the Pacific Northwest. On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Jean Nathan j...@nathan54.freeserve.co.ukwrote: Bev wrote: erm, I've lost the thread. Would cactus have been known to lacemakers? If the early lacemakers lived in areas where cacti grew. Certainly not the UK. Would Spain be a possibility? Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Thorns for pins
Bev wrote: erm, I've lost the thread. Would cactus have been known to lacemakers? Jean Nathan j...@nathan54.freeserve.co.uk wrote: If the early lacemakers lived in areas where cacti grew. Certainly not the UK. Would Spain be a possibility? No, cacti would not have been used by early European laceamakers. The family is found only in the New World (North, Central, and South America). However, there are other things with cactus-like spines in Europe, Asia, and Africa. The original post was casting doubt on whether lacemakers used thorns, but ended with asking if anyone on the list had used thorns for pins. I said no, but described some thorns that would probably be usable. Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA robinl...@socal.rr.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Pins, thorns and bone slivers
Alex Stillwell alexstillw...@talktalk.net wrote: These ideas about using thorns and fish bones have been around for a long time. Has anyone actually tried using thorns or fishbones to make lace? I mean the very fine lace made at the time the thorns were supposed to have been used. Did they work or not?- Still not directly to your question, Alex, but I remember talking to a Brazilian biologist. She was not a lacemaker, but she told me about seeing women in a certain part of Brazil that has a bobbin lace tradition. We found pictures of them using thorn pins. It was coarse lace (not the stuff made with 240 cotton in early Europe), about like the modern Chinese designs in stores these days. Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA robinl...@socal.rr.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
