[lace] Hand Carved bobbins... I am stuck!

2011-06-22 Thread Brian Lemin
I have started to write the promised article and doing reasonable well.  I
have omitted the largest group of hand carved/decorated bobbins as they are a
genre to themselves, namely the East Devon/Downton bobbins... also I am
sticking to English antique. The Continental hand carved bobbins are very
prevalent and extremely well carved, but I just do not know enough about them
to tell a story.

I  have discussed the utilitarian bobbins, like a twig or a piece of wood
carved to a bobbin shape, I am OK with the basic application of chip carving
to a bobbin but I am struggling as to whether I include the hand carving of
scenes, animals objects etc on bobbins.  I have written about individual
bobbins in this group (see tiny URL below and  scroll down till you find them)
They are often quite interesting.

I suppose I am asking if artistic carving (i.e. scenes, animal etc etc) can
be discussed in the same breath as chip carving which is geometrical in
its concept.

MMmmm as often is the case chatting to you Arachne people (over coffee???)
has perhaps clarified my thinking.. I.e. create categories of geometrical and
artistic carving.

What do you think?





Brian and Jean
From Cooranbong. Australia
You can read my bobbin stuff on:
http://tiny.cc/egb85

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[lace] yardage - speed

2011-06-22 Thread Jean Nathan
I'm bemused as to why anyone would be concerned with making lace as fast as 
possible, unless you have a deadline for a gift or an event such as a 
wedding or a display/competition. It certainly can't be with an aim to sell 
the lace because you could never make it fast enough to make a living.


I take pleasure in the process of making lace, reverse lacing where 
necessary to correct mistakes and learn how to correct what I did wrong. I 
may or may not be pleased with the finished item, but I'm not particularly 
interested in that. It's the process and mastering techniques (or not) that 
I find fascinating - there are so many that I don't think anyone could 
master them all. David, with al of his experience, has provided a good 
example here in deciding what to do about the poppies in the piece he's 
currently working - gimps? twists? tallies?


Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK 


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Re: [lace] yardage - speed

2011-06-22 Thread Sue Duckles

Hi All

I had to smile at this it sounds so much like the garter I'm  
currently in the process of making well, the last inch and then  
all the finishing off anyway...


Don't think it was at speed though it's taken me since January to  
get to the stage I'm at!!  Fortunately the last inch and the finishing  
off still has 10 weeks to happen!!


Sue in East Yorkshire, where it's currently drizzling!!


On 22 Jun 2011, at 10:02, Jean Nathan wrote:




I take pleasure in the process of making lace, reverse lacing where  
necessary to correct mistakes and learn how to correct what I did  
wrong. I may or may not be pleased with the finished item, but I'm  
not particularly interested in that. It's the process and mastering  
techniques (or not) that I find fascinating - there are so many that  
I don't think anyone could master them all. David, with al of his  
experience, has provided a good example here in deciding what to do  
about the poppies in the piece he's currently working - gimps?  
twists? tallies?


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Re: [lace] Forgetting your pattern (was RE: yardage - speed)

2011-06-22 Thread Diana Smith
This piece of information stems I believe from Liz Bartlett's book 'Lace 
Villages'. How reliable this information is I wouldn't like to say. Its 
supposedly the villages of Potterspury and Paulerspury, Northamptonshire 
around 1891. The said diary in the book mentions Mr Harrison - is this the 
Rev.J.B. Harrison whose wife Ella was taking an active interest in the lace 
makers of Paulerspury during the period 1878 to 1910?


I feel that at the time mentioned the need for secrecy over family prickings 
had past. Mrs Harrison was responsible for reviving the industry and it was 
her who rescued the large collection of prickings from Mrs Rose the widow of 
the Paulerspury lace dealer - as she feared Mrs Rose would boil them down 
for glue.


Diana in Northants


- Original Message - 
From: Linda Walton linda.wal...@dsl.pipex.com

To: l...@dont.panix.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [lace] Forgetting your pattern (was RE: yardage - speed)



On 22/06/2011 00:36, Helen Bell wrote:
[snip]

It's known that if a girl was marrying a man from another
village, she would have to stop lacemaking for 2 years so that she forgot
her pattern, and not take it to the other village, and then she'd start 
to

learn the new pattern after 2 years.

[snip]

Please will you tell me the source of this information?
I'm interested to know if it relates to a particular place and time, or 
was a more general custom.  How was it enforced?


Linda Walton,
(in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K., where it looks like being another 
day of sunshine and showers).


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Re: [lace] yardage - speed

2011-06-22 Thread lynrbailey
Dear Jean and all, When I'm learning to make lace, the process is extremely 
important to me, but as a sewer and a knitter, producing a finished product is 
definitely a part of the business.  When I am making something, sometimes I 
have a goal, although I try not to have a deadline, and if I do have a 
deadline, I try to be finished long in advance, so those inevitable delays 
don't result in mistakes, poor workmanship, etc.  But sometimes speed is 
important.  When I was making DH's shirts, I knew I could make a shirt from the 
cut pieces in 1 1/2 hours, including buttons and button holes.  I knit in what 
we call the Continental style, with the yarn held in my left hand, evenly and 
swiftly.  But then I learned to knit when I was 5, 56 years ago.  Talk about 
practice! 

My yardage experience is certainly connected to making proper lace efficiently, 
if not with speed.  It connects to the old lacemakers who did do this for a 
living.  Experiencing the process as they did is an interesting exercise.  And 
I am not nearly as process oriented as I am goal oriented.  I like to make 
projects that will be used.  Church edging, my 2 yards to adorn the neck of an 
18th century dress, curtains, handkerchiefs.  Even bookmarks.  Speed, or at 
least efficiency, is part of that.  

Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, US, where we got 1.25 inches of rain overnight, 
presently, at 7 a.m., 70F,19C, with the forecast the same as yesterday.  Muggy, 
high 85F, chance of thunderstorms.  Summer is really here.   


-Original Message-
From: Jean Nathan j...@nathan54.freeserve.co.uk
Sent: Jun 22, 2011 5:02 AM
To: Lace lace@arachne.com
Subject: [lace] yardage - speed

I'm bemused as to why anyone would be concerned with making lace as fast as 
possible, unless you have a deadline for a gift or an event such as a 
wedding or a display/competition. It certainly can't be with an aim to sell 
the lace because you could never make it fast enough to make a living.

I take pleasure in the process of making lace, reverse lacing where 
necessary to correct mistakes and learn how to correct what I did wrong. I 
may or may not be pleased with the finished item, but I'm not particularly 
interested in that. It's the process and mastering techniques (or not) that 
I find fascinating - there are so many that I don't think anyone could 
master them all. David, with al of his experience, has provided a good 
example here in deciding what to do about the poppies in the piece he's 
currently working - gimps? twists? tallies?

Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK 

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Re: [lace] Hand Carved bobbins... I am stuck!

2011-06-22 Thread lucieduf
Yes, categories. Also, maybe the categories relate to other forms of folk
art such as embroidery and carving on other wood pieces such as spindles,
door frames, knitting sheaths, ... love tokens ... with regional or
occupational speceficities such as anchors, fishes, fishnets, flowers,
etc.

Just an idea coming from my museum experience with other objects.

Lucie DuFresne
Ottawa Canada

(and yes, I remember that I owe you some pictures, sigh...)



 I have started to write the promised article and doing reasonable well.  I
 have omitted the largest group of hand carved/decorated bobbins as they
 are a
 genre to themselves, namely the East Devon/Downton bobbins... also I am
 sticking to English antique. The Continental hand carved bobbins are very
 prevalent and extremely well carved, but I just do not know enough about
 them
 to tell a story.

 I  have discussed the utilitarian bobbins, like a twig or a piece of wood
 carved to a bobbin shape, I am OK with the basic application of chip
 carving
 to a bobbin but I am struggling as to whether I include the hand carving
 of
 scenes, animals objects etc on bobbins.  I have written about individual
 bobbins in this group (see tiny URL below and  scroll down till you find
 them)
 They are often quite interesting.

 I suppose I am asking if artistic carving (i.e. scenes, animal etc etc)
 can
 be discussed in the same breath as chip carving which is geometrical
 in
 its concept.

 MMmmm as often is the case chatting to you Arachne people (over
 coffee???)
 has perhaps clarified my thinking.. I.e. create categories of geometrical
 and
 artistic carving.

 What do you think?





 Brian and Jean
 From Cooranbong. Australia
 You can read my bobbin stuff on:
 http://tiny.cc/egb85

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[lace] yardage - speed poppies

2011-06-22 Thread David C COLLYER
David, with al of his experience, has provided a good example here 
in deciding what to do about the poppies in the piece he's currently 
working - gimps? twists? tallies?


Only too true Jean. I have now reach the corner and the language 
continues to deteriorate. But I am getting more and more happy with 
the outcomes as I proceed.

David in Ballarat



Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK


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[lace] Update on 2011 Postcard Exchange

2011-06-22 Thread pene piip

Today I've sent out 11 e-mails which contain names  postal addresses
of 4 people in 10 groups. The 11th group has 5 people in it due to an 
odd number.


I hope that everyone has fun sending  receiving postcards.
Take care,
Pene

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[lace] Give Your General Location with Signature, Please

2011-06-22 Thread Jeriames
Dear Lacemakers, 
 
Arachne has members in all corners of the world.  And sometimes a  name, 
like York, applies to several countries and states..
 
We can better answer your questions and refer you to helpful lace people,  
if you will please give us your location.  It can be something general, but  
close.  Like near Glasgow Scotland, or near Akron Ohio USA.  A small  
population area might justify just a state name, which I use in Maine, a state  
with a population of only around 1.6-million.  Country should always  appear!
 
We have just greeted Summer in the northern hemisphere.   Your  location 
will help a lot in your being able to be introduced to people in other  parts 
of the world who share your lace passion.  Please - your location is  an 
important part of a letter.
 
Kind regards, Jeri
 
Jeri Ames in  Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource  Center

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[lace] Bearing Cloth

2011-06-22 Thread Sue
I have just downloaded 3 photos of the finished Bearing Cloth made by some
of the  members of Norfolk Lacemakers.  It is a real achievement by these
members who have given up a lot of time to both make the lace and each
individual tear drop was cut by hand ,filed and edges polished smooth.   It
was made with real Gold and Silver thread which was purchased by the Norfolk
Lacemakers at a cost exceeding £200   It was mounted on red velvet.  The
Bearing Cloth which is a replica of one in Carrow House Museum will be going
on display at the Strangers Hall Museum, Norwich .

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[lace] Hand-carved bobbin

2011-06-22 Thread Alex Stillwell
Hi Brian

Regarding hand-carved bobbins - two main branches spring to my mind.

Firstly the plain working bobbins whittled using a pen knife or similar tool
as opposed to being turned on a lathe.

Secondly bobbins made either by whittling or turning that are decorated using
a pen knife or other cutting tool, this further work being for devorative
purposes only and having nothing to do with the effectiveness of the bobbin as
a tool.  Not all decorations were made using a knife or other cutting tool,
some indentations were made using a drill or a pointed tool.

Hope this helps, I'm sure you will get lots of other suggestions.

Best wishes

Alex

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Re: [lace] lace chanting, speed TC

2011-06-22 Thread Nancy Neff
When you flick your bobbins with your thumb, do you find that your thread
untwists and weakens more than picking up the bobbins?  I found myself
flicking 
automatically when I speeded up, but thought I detected a
correlation with 
thread breakage.  Anybody?

Nancy
Connecticut, USA

From: hottl...@neo.rr.com
hottl...@neo.rr.com
To: lace@arachne.com
Sent: Tue, June 21, 2011 10:07:11
PM
Subject: [lace] lace chanting, speed  TC

Hello All!  Now that's what we
need--we know it works for the Marines!!  Is 
there a resource for lace
chants?  They would be a hoot to sing at a demo.  
Regarding speed, are you
using your thumb to *flick* your bobbins?  Just 
something I noticed when
watching a speedy friend.  Hard to describe, but I've 
tried it  can report
good results

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Re: [lace] yardage - speed

2011-06-22 Thread Nancy Neff
Exactly!  I'm glad, Jean, that you posted this, and said it so well.  WRT
lacemaking, beading, and knitting, I enjoy the doing of it, and the end result
usually is a nice-to-have.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA

From: Jean Nathan
j...@nathan54.freeserve.co.uk
To: Lace lace@arachne.com
Sent: Wed, June
22, 2011 5:02:40 AM
Subject: [lace] yardage - speed

I'm bemused as to why
anyone would be concerned with making lace as fast as 
possible, unless you
have a deadline for a gift or an event such as a wedding or 
a
display/competition. It certainly can't be with an aim to sell the lace
because you could never make it fast enough to make a living.

I take pleasure
in the process of making lace, reverse lacing where necessary to 
correct
mistakes and learn how to correct what I did wrong. I may or may not be
pleased with the finished item, but I'm not particularly interested in that.
It's the process and mastering techniques (or not) that I find fascinating -
there are so many that I don't think anyone could master them all. David, with
al of his experience, has provided a good example here in deciding what to do
about the poppies in the piece he's currently working - gimps? twists?
tallies?

Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK 
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[lace] RE: [lace-chat] Bearing Cloth

2011-06-22 Thread Lorri Ferguson
Sue, I am a little puzzled,  what is a 'bearing cloth'?  and how is it
used?This is a beautiful piece, and the lacers did a lovely job.  Also what
are the dimensions? You are all to be commended.Lorri,   Graham, Washington,
USA
 
 I have just downloaded 3 photos of the finished Bearing Cloth made by some
 of the  members of Norfolk Lacemakers.  It is a real achievement by these
 members who have given up a lot of time to both make the lace and each
 individual tear drop was cut by hand ,filed and edges polished smooth.   It
 was made with real Gold and Silver thread which was purchased by the
Norfolk
 Lacemakers at a cost exceeding £200   It was mounted on red velvet.  The
 Bearing Cloth which is a replica of one in Carrow House Museum will be
going
 on display at the Strangers Hall Museum, Norwich .
 Photo site:
 http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003

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[lace] yardage - speed

2011-06-22 Thread Jean Nathan
I used to be able to do things very quickly - knit, sew, crochet, etc. 
Thought nothing of coming home with a piece of fabric at 6pm and going out 
in the finished garment at 8pm. But there can come a time when you are no 
longer able to do things quickly, if at all, or have to modify how you do 
them, or even do something totally different to satisfy your creative needs. 
When that happens, you already have to be content with the finished object 
not being all important, so you can continue to enjoy. Speed definitely 
becomes of little importance so you can still be happy doing what you enjoy. 
Fortunately, I'm happy with the process, no matter how long it takes.


Thanks to all of you who helped me get over being a wimp about 
self-administered injections, the treatment seems to be working well and the 
amount (and speed) of lacemaking I can do again has improved considerably. I 
might actually finish the Willow Pattern plate featured in an edition of the 
UK Lace Guild magazine that I've been working on for nearly a year.


Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK 


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[lace] Posting to lace/lace-digest

2011-06-22 Thread Jean Nathan
Please don't send a message to both lace and lace-digest. Those of us 
subscribed to lace, getting individual emails, will get it twice. If you 
just send it to lace, it will automatically appear in lace-digest.


Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK 


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[lace] flicking bobbins thread breakage

2011-06-22 Thread hottleco
Hello All!  My limited experience says there is no correlation between 
untwisted/broken threads  flicking the bobbins.  If I were to point a finger, 
I would say that losing the twist comes from having too much thread on the 
bobbin.  In embroidery terms, I would equate that to using too long a strand  
as it is used, it becomes worn from the fabric/canvas  the eye of the needle.  
On bobbins, I don't recall EVER losing the twist when I first started out.  It 
was always much later in the work after lots of tensioning  pin under 4 or 
whatever.  Surely the threads are abrasive against each other, although maybe 
less so on the pins.  Sewings take their toll as well; easy to split while 
jabbing.  BTW--A friend recently told me to add a twist where there were 
sewings to make it easier  she was absolutely right!  As to the amount of 
thread, althought I dislike replacing threads, I am now more mindful  try not 
to overload.  I would also mention that since the first bit of thread !
 is wound by hand rather than with the winder, that could be part of the 
problem.  Until I took the Maltese workshop  used linen for the first time, I 
had NEVER broken a thread  I wouldn't say I'm shy about tensioning!  Maybe 
this is a good time to add to the *beginner* thread comments previously posted. 
 DMC perle 8 comes in lots of colors--check for them at a 
needlework/needlepoint shop or online.  It's much more fun to learn with 
something that's pretty to look at!  It only takes a few samples to get bored 
with #8 so look for tatting cotton  make the switch asap.  Develop a network 
of thread resources early on.  While they're great for snacks  soda, I'm sure 
you don't buy your groceries at 7/11  threads are the same scenario.  You'll 
outgrow JoAnn's after the first few pieces.  Turning it back over the experts 
now!  ;-)  Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Erie, PA

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[lace] Blog about Hapsburg veil

2011-06-22 Thread Karen Thompson
This is the blog I posted on the American History Museum website about
the Point de Gaze Hapsburg veil from 1881 made for Princess Stephanie
of Belgium for her wedding.
http://blog.americanhistory.si.edu/osaycanyousee/2011/06/the-finer-details-of-the-hapsburg-imperial-bridal-veil.html
The blog is a very shortened version of my research, and a compromise
with the editor for a general audience. I will be glad to answer
questions, either here or by e-mail, and would be delighted if anyone
has any clues to the transition of the veil from Princess Stephanie to
Mrs. Post, or any other insights.

The veil is currently on display at Hillwood Museum in Washington, DC,
and I would urge any lace enthusiast coming to the area to see it.
When not on display it is folded in a large drawer in the American
History Museum in Washington, DC, where only a small portion can be
seen.  Regretfully, the Hillwood Museum did not agree to host one of
the tours during the IOLI Convention in Bethesda, Maryland during the
first week of August, but any individual can go and see the veil from
now through the end of the year.

 -Karen in Washington, DC, USA

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RE: [lace] Posting to lace/lace-digest

2011-06-22 Thread Ruth Budge
Jean, I'll second that - I've just read the same message three times,
because it was addressed to lace, lace-chat and the digest.   

Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia)

-Original Message-
From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of
Jean Nathan
Sent: Thursday, 23 June 2011 3:10 AM
To: Lace
Subject: [lace] Posting to lace/lace-digest

Please don't send a message to both lace and lace-digest. Those of us
subscribed to lace, getting individual emails, will get it twice. If you
just send it to lace, it will automatically appear in lace-digest.

Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK 

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Re: [lace] yardage - speed

2011-06-22 Thread Clay Blackwell
I am in complete agreement with Jean!  A few years ago, I worked a very 
long scarf which was also wide, so while it did not qualify to be called 
yardage, it was interminably long...  I was bored to tears with it 
after just a few inches, but I has spent a lot of money on novelty 
threads to make it, and had loads of nice bobbins tied up on a nice 
pillow, and so I wanted to finish it.  It seemed to take forever, and I 
vowed I would never again work a project in which I could not enjoy the 
process from start to finish.  I did finish it, and while it is lovely, 
I have such a negative feeling about it that I rarely wear it!!


Consequently, the pieces I work now are always challenging, and take a 
long time.  I do not have a burning desire to finish, just a compulsion 
to make the lace as beautiful as I possibly can.  So...  speed is never 
an issue.  My current project has been huge, and I can see the end in 
sight...  and I am already grieving that it will be done soon.  
Fortunately, I have just found several other patterns which sing to me, 
and will keep me off the street as my DH loves to say when he thinks 
he's being clever.


Before I made lace, I did other things such as embroidery, and learned 
then that those things which were finished quickly did not please me, 
and never found a permanent place in my home.  I preferred to work 
something that occupied me for as long as a year, and then I had 
something I could really be proud of.  The same perspective applies to 
my lacemaking.


Clay

Clay Blackwell
from Sweet Briar, Virginia, where I'm basking in the glow from 36 happy 
students making wonderful lace all week at Lace at Sweet Briar!


On 6/22/2011 11:51 AM, Chris Vail wrote:

On the whole, I agree with you Jean; it's at least as much about the process
as it is the progress. But in defense of speed - well, the current project
is 9 yards of a fairly straightforward braid lace, so the sooner I can plow
through it, the better!! :D

Actually, I think Lyn said it well. I prefer efficiency in making my lace,
because that makes the process of trying new stitches and combinations more
fun for me. It's not that I'm trying to be fast, it's that I've found a
comfortable way of doing the basic movements for me so I can concentrate on
the 'where' and 'why' and not so much on the 'how' any more.  To take Lyn's
example, I learned to knit originally by throwing the yarn with my right
hand, hated it and completely stopped knitting. After nearly a decade, I
went back but taught myself to hold the yarn in my left hand and pick it
through, and I haven't put the needles down since. Picking is more efficient
for me, and it makes me happy to knit that way. It also happens to make me
faster, but that's a side benefit.  For bobbin lace, TC is more efficient
for my hands than CT, with the same happiness and speed boosts. *shrug* This
is why I encourage my students to try things out - I give them my way of
doing things, and why, but then I let them know that any method that gives
the desired end product is good, so long as it works for them.  Life is too
short to do hobbies that make you unhappy!

Chris - trying not to drown in Chicago :D

Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 10:02:40 +0100
   

From: Jean Nathanj...@nathan54.freeserve.co.uk
Subject: [lace] yardage - speed

I'm bemused as to why anyone would be concerned with making lace as fast as
possible, unless you have a deadline for a gift or an event such as a
wedding or a display/competition. It certainly can't be with an aim to sell
the lace because you could never make it fast enough to make a living.

I take pleasure in the process of making lace, reverse lacing where
necessary to correct mistakes and learn how to correct what I did wrong. I
may or may not be pleased with the finished item, but I'm not particularly
interested in that. It's the process and mastering techniques (or not) that
I find fascinating - there are so many that I don't think anyone could
master them all. David, with al of his experience, has provided a good
example here in deciding what to do about the poppies in the piece he's
currently working - gimps? twists? tallies?

Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK

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[lace-chat] Bearing Cloth

2011-06-22 Thread Sue
I have just downloaded 3 photos of the finished Bearing Cloth made by some
of the  members of Norfolk Lacemakers.  It is a real achievement by these
members who have given up a lot of time to both make the lace and each
individual tear drop was cut by hand ,filed and edges polished smooth.   It
was made with real Gold and Silver thread which was purchased by the Norfolk
Lacemakers at a cost exceeding £200   It was mounted on red velvet.  The
Bearing Cloth which is a replica of one in Carrow House Museum will be going
on display at the Strangers Hall Museum, Norwich .

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RE: [lace-chat] Bearing Cloth

2011-06-22 Thread Lorri Ferguson
Sue, I am a little puzzled,  what is a 'bearing cloth'?  and how is it
used?This is a beautiful piece, and the lacers did a lovely job.  Also what
are the dimensions? You are all to be commended.Lorri,   Graham, Washington,
USA
 
 I have just downloaded 3 photos of the finished Bearing Cloth made by some
 of the  members of Norfolk Lacemakers.  It is a real achievement by these
 members who have given up a lot of time to both make the lace and each
 individual tear drop was cut by hand ,filed and edges polished smooth.   It
 was made with real Gold and Silver thread which was purchased by the
Norfolk
 Lacemakers at a cost exceeding £200   It was mounted on red velvet.  The
 Bearing Cloth which is a replica of one in Carrow House Museum will be
going
 on display at the Strangers Hall Museum, Norwich .
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