Re: [lace] Miss Channer receives a Proposal
Other thing used are little nylon bags full of holes, with a ribbon on the top that slips inside a plastic piece. When you press the button of the plastic piece, pulling the ribbon at the same time, the bag closes, (difficult to explain for me in English). These bags come into soap powder boxes for washer machines. They hold up to 40 continental bobbins, and it is easy to manipulate Carolina. Barcelona. Spain. Carolina de la Guardia http://www.geocities.com/carolgallego Witch Stitch Lace David in Ballarat d.collye...@aapt.net.au wrote: I have to say I've often wondering just how Continental bobbins are kept in any sort of order without any spangles to thread on things.- - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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I guess much depends on how exact you want your bobbins to stay in order, or don't mind to untwist a few. On the details of the congne page you see how they don't mind too much. I saw them working this way. They just touch the bobbins looking at their work to see which thread moves and thus know which bobbin to pick out of the pile. http://www.dentellieres.com/Musee/Cogne/cogne2.htm On this page you see how the ground consists of tctctc in stead of tc-pin-tc. Clever improvement to avoid timeconsuming placing of pins. http://www.dentellieres.com/Musee/Cogne/cogne1-det3.htm The last tc they throw their bobbins, you see the hand moving on the picture linked below. Though it does not catch a flying bobbin, the shot is taken quite clever. http://www.dentellieres.com/Musee/Cogne/cogne2-det3.htm I didn't wait to see how they started a new row, my italian and their french/english/german/dutch was too bad to ask. Now that I'm writing it down, on a flat pillow you would have to shift the whole pile from one side to the other. But with their touchy method you just pick the apropriate bobbins under the pile. Now I understand the large bulbs are not only better for throwing, but also for finding the bobbins by their bottoms. I guess this method does not allow hundreths of bobbins. For flanders lace someone suggested to make smal plaits to fix the motives when finishing another part. You would have to undo that when continuing. Why bother a few more unintended twist by piling when you have to undo a little anyhow? That makes the method below a little easier. Jo My favorite system (which I have not come even *close* to mastering...) is when those huge 12 pins are used to scoop up 6 - 8 bobbins at a time and stack them vertically in front of another set... Just an amazing sight to see... - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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http://www.dentellieres.com/Musee/Cogne/cogne2.htm And if you look at the lace on the bolster pillow, they have no pricking and are just working freehand torchon lace with pins only on the outside edge, with impressive tension! Sue Babbs - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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Dear Clay, Not everyone works with spangled bobbins. I have to say, those spangles come in handy for keeping the bobbins in order, but I rarely use this kind of bobbin. Continental bobbins present their own set of challenges. My favorite system (which I have not come even *close* to mastering...) is when those huge 12 pins are used to scoop up 6 - 8 bobbins at a time and stack them vertically in front of another set... Just an amazing sight to see... I have to say I've often wondering just how Continental bobbins are kept in any sort of order without any spangles to thread on things. Since you're using 12 pins, you might even consider those 1mm (or less) metal lace knitting needles. They are what I use to support my stacks of bobbins. However, I wouldn't want too many 1mm holes in a styrene based pillow David - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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David in Ballarat d.collye...@aapt.net.au wrote: I have to say I've often wondering just how Continental bobbins are kept in any sort of order without any spangles to thread on things.- Other things used with continentals are: knitted/crocheted strips with holes to poke the bobbin bottoms through ribbon wrapped around one bobbin, then twisted between each additional bobbin and tied tongue depressers with elastic stretched from one end to the other over the bobbins snap tape (used for baby clothes) where bobbins slide between snaps wood U with pin in the bottom, to scoop up bobbins at their waists and pin upright wood U with pinholes on the ends, to scoop up bobbins and store horizontally, pinned in place Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA robinl...@socal.rr.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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Dear Margot, I've tried that and it didn't work for me. What I've made are like giant safety pins - 2 from each plastic coated coat hanger cut in half. Each of these will hold about 32 bobbins, but we are talking close to 400 bobbins here. I did try that method where I threaded a hundred or so onto one long piece of electric wire, but they didn't come off easily enough. It'll get easier once I start to throw some out permanently. Thanks though David Here's a hint to help manage the bobbins. Instead of using knitting stitch holders, I use extra long hat pins. It's very easy to slide one through the spangles, then raise the hat pin to a vertical position, and stick in the pillow. You can 'store' many more bobbins in less space and it's easy to move the hat pins around. I'm using some antique hat pins - one of my many excuses for haunting flea markets - and many that I've made myself using very fine, sharply pointed knitting needles with beads glued on one end. They're pretty too! Margot Walker in Halifax on the east coast of Canada Visit the Seaspray Guild of Lacemakers web site: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/quinbot - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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For working with so many bobbins in one pattern I was just thinking if any of you have used a cloth book, for holding your many bobbins. The bigger the cloth book the more it holds. I been thinking about putting a bottom to each page, so all I have to do is lay them in(in order) close the page and do the same for each page, stacking each cloth book onto each other. Seems to me that this would work, what do you think? Cher in Papillion -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of David in Ballarat Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 11:40 AM To: Margot Walker; ARACHNE Subject: Re: [lace] Miss Channer receives a Proposal Dear Margot, I've tried that and it didn't work for me. What I've made are like giant safety pins - 2 from each plastic coated coat hanger cut in half. Each of these will hold about 32 bobbins, but we are talking close to 400 bobbins here. I did try that method where I threaded a hundred or so onto one long piece of electric wire, but they didn't come off easily enough. It'll get easier once I start to throw some out permanently. Thanks though David - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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I've been told that one of the things that separates *really* good lacemakers from *merely* good lacemakers is their ability to manage huge numbers of bobbins. And to a small extent, this can't be learned from a book or from a set of rules... every piece which requires hundreds of bobbins has its own requirements for approaching the pattern, and it is the willingness and the wits of the lacemaker to work out their system which makes the difference. I've enjoyed seeing what people have written about over the years... Not everyone works with spangled bobbins. I have to say, those spangles come in handy for keeping the bobbins in order, but I rarely use this kind of bobbin. Continental bobbins present their own set of challenges. My favorite system (which I have not come even *close* to mastering...) is when those huge 12 pins are used to scoop up 6 - 8 bobbins at a time and stack them vertically in front of another set... Just an amazing sight to see... Clay David in Ballarat wrote: Dear Margot, I've tried that and it didn't work for me. What I've made are like giant safety pins - 2 from each plastic coated coat hanger cut in half. Each of these will hold about 32 bobbins, but we are talking close to 400 bobbins here. I did try that method where I threaded a hundred or so onto one long piece of electric wire, but they didn't come off easily enough. It'll get easier once I start to throw some out permanently. Thanks though David Here's a hint to help manage the bobbins. Instead of using knitting stitch holders, I use extra long hat pins. It's very easy to slide one through the spangles, then raise the hat pin to a vertical position, and stick in the pillow. You can 'store' many more bobbins in less space and it's easy to move the hat pins around. I'm using some antique hat pins - one of my many excuses for haunting flea markets - and many that I've made myself using very fine, sharply pointed knitting needles with beads glued on one end. They're pretty too! Margot Walker in Halifax on the east coast of Canada Visit the Seaspray Guild of Lacemakers web site: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/quinbot - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Miss Channer receives a Proposal
On 8 Mar 2009, at 16:04, Clay Blackwell wrote: My favorite system (which I have not come even *close* to mastering...) is when those huge 12 pins are used to scoop up 6 - 8 bobbins at a time and stack them vertically in front of another set... That's what gave me the idea of using hat pins with spangled bobbins. I was making a Beds pattern with 350 bobbins. I tried Clay's favourite system but it didn't seem to work with the spangles. So I tried using hat pins and loved it - and I can fit 8 - 12 pairs on a pin. Margot Walker in Halifax on the east coast of Canada Visit the Seaspray Guild of Lacemakers web site: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/quinbot - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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David in Ballarat d.collye...@aapt.net.au wrote: I've tried that and it didn't work for me. I did try that method where I threaded a hundred or so onto one long piece of electric wire, but they didn't come off easily enough. -- An option I find useful with spangled bobbins is a short (maybe 6/15cm) cord with a loop on one end. Lia gave us these in a class--it was made from chain stitch, with the last stitch going into a chain several back from the hook. Thread the cord through one spangle and pull the end through the loop. This anchors the cord to one bobbin. Then you can gather neighboring bobbins by threading the cord through their spangles. The cords are short enough to make manageable units. You can grab a unit by the free end and move it anywhere, stack it on top of other units, etc. A pin through the free end is all it takes to secure things, so they pile up better than hard holders. Robin Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA robinl...@socal.rr.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Miss Channer receives a Proposal
Dear Friends, Firstly I would personally like to thank Julian for the wonderful job he is doing maintaining that website whereon he posts my photos. I am currently at about the half way mark with Miss Channer and finding the going quite tough. Not the stitches themselves - the tediousness comes in managing the sheer number of bobbins, which are all indeed necessary. I now have the maximum amount on board (will count them at the end) and sometimes can only work a couple of passes before I have to unload a whole lot in order to progress. Despite all that, I am really pleased with the effect that is appearing from behind the pins. In the meantime, I have a Proposal re Miss Channer, (Or should that be for)? Wouldn't it be great if all those here who have made this piece could send a photo of it to Julian - or indeed friends of those here. Just so we could see a whole page of the various results of Miss Channer's Mat. I'm quite sure that each would have it's own unique characteristics and it would be fascinating to compare them all. Let's face it there probably are all that many around Just a thought David in Ballarat - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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On 7 Mar 2009, at 07:51, David in Ballarat wrote: I am currently at about the half way mark with Miss Channer and finding the going quite tough. Not the stitches themselves - the tediousness comes in managing the sheer number of bobbins, which are all indeed necessary. I now have the maximum amount on board (will count them at the end) and sometimes can only work a couple of passes before I have to unload a whole lot in order to progress. Despite all that, I am really pleased with the effect that is appearing from behind the pins. Here's a hint to help manage the bobbins. Instead of using knitting stitch holders, I use extra long hat pins. It's very easy to slide one through the spangles, then raise the hat pin to a vertical position, and stick in the pillow. You can 'store' many more bobbins in less space and it's easy to move the hat pins around. I'm using some antique hat pins - one of my many excuses for haunting flea markets - and many that I've made myself using very fine, sharply pointed knitting needles with beads glued on one end. They're pretty too! Margot Walker in Halifax on the east coast of Canada Visit the Seaspray Guild of Lacemakers web site: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/quinbot - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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Sounds like a great idea David, so come on all you folk who have been brave enough to tackle it lets see how much variation in techniques have been achieved. Sue M Harvey Norfolk UK Where I have been to our laceday today and bought some absolutely lovely imitation silk threads in beautiful colours from De Haviland Embroidery No interest in company just a happy buyer - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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I agree with Sue. The threads are beautifull. So soft and the colours are out of this world. You`ve guessed it I bought some as well. Like Sue I`m nothing to do with the company. Daphne Martin Norfolk Uk From: 2harv...@tiscali.co.uk To: d.collye...@aapt.net.au; lace@arachne.com Subject: RE: [lace] Miss Channer receives a Proposal Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:46:25 + Sounds like a great idea David, so come on all you folk who have been brave enough to tackle it lets see how much variation in techniques have been achieved. Sue M Harvey Norfolk UK Where I have been to our laceday today and bought some absolutely lovely imitation silk threads in beautiful colours from De Haviland Embroidery No interest in company just a happy buyer - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com _ View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place Learn more! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
