Re: [lace] Preference of book format

2007-10-25 Thread Barron
I'm doing an informal survey and would value your opinions. Would you purchase
a pattern book on CD if the CD insert showed thumbnail photos of the finished
lace? If you had the choice of a printed pattern book--let's assume that it is
not a hardbound volume--or a CD, which would you purchase? If you opted for
the CD, how would you use it--to print out the entire publication, or only
those patterns that were of specific interest to you. What would you consider
a fair price for a pattern book on CD?

Hi, it's a book for me too, I'd be
worried about obsolescence, though a CD to print prickings out from would be
handy - one of my bugbears with books is prickings printed too close to the
spine.
jenny barron
beautiful sunny morning in Scotland, lovely red sky

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[lace] Preference of Book format

2007-10-25 Thread Jean Nathan
Don't know why this is on both Lace and  Lace-chat, as it's clearly a lace 
topic, so I'm restricting my reply to Lace to save getting it twice.


A book every time!

I had a choice of Jane Akinson's book Pattern Design for Torchon Lace new
on CD or secondhand in book form - I chose the book. Price had nothing to do
with the choice. Books are much easier to peruse at leisure and almost at
any time, anywhere. I also find I can usually remember which book I saw a
pattern in and can go to that book immediately, but I canlt do that with
CDs.

Having said that, I do have a book of Victorian lace cards which also has a
CD of all the images in the book with it, so the cards can either be
photocopied or printed from the CD for use in making other cards. I it
extremely useful to have both methods of reproduction available. I can also
make all sorts of alterations to the images on the computer, which canlt be
done with a photocopy. Of course, I could scan on to the computer and then
make alterations, but having them on CD already speeds thing up by cutting
out that part of the process.

Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK

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[lace] Preference of book format

2007-10-25 Thread Jenny Brandis
My personal choice would be a glossy, coloured printed book for 
perusing in bed - with a CD of the prickings in various grid sizes 
and the photos so I can enlarge them on the screen to see just how 
they did that bit


Hows that for decadent?



Jenny Brandis
Kununurra, Western Australia

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[lace] Preference of book format

2007-10-25 Thread Gray, Alison J
Hi Carole (and everyone)



I can see that there are good points about both.  With the CD there is
the fact that it takes up almost no space (but would I lose it?)  Just
printing off the prickings would be great, no scanning or photocopying.
But even if you could blow up the illustrations you can't use a
magnifying glass on a screen and I like to have a good look.



On the whole I think I prefer the book, there is something to get hold
of and if you need to look at it while you're working it's there right
beside you.  I think that if you need to print off bits so that you can
refer to them, well, you might as well buy a book.



I work in an academic library and you would think that with all the
computer resources, data bases, web sites etc that are now available we
wouldn't be buying as many books, but that isn't the case.  I don't
think that there's anything to beat a book, but I guess I'm biased.



Alison in Essex UK where it's dull and miserable

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Re: [lace] Preference of book format

2007-10-25 Thread Bridget Marrow
Dear Carole

Yes, I would opt for a CD such as you describe - it would take up less
room than a book, and I am seriously short of shelfspace!

It would be wonderful to be able to print out patterns as one needed them
- the pricking straight onto card - and I assume would make scaling up or
down very easy.  I don't think I would print out the whole book.

Thank you for the brilliant idea.

Bridget, in Watford, England

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Re: [lace] Preference of Book format

2007-10-25 Thread clayblackwell
Naturally, when I make an absolute statement, it doesn't take long for me to 
contradict myself!!  Jean Nathan mentioned Jane Atkinson's book on disk, and 
this is a good example.  I did not discover Jean's book until it was OOP, and 
so was thrilled to learn about the CD.  As soon as I got it, I spent lots of 
time looking at it.  The beauty of Jane's book on disk is that the images are 
extremely in high definition, and all in color, so that if you want a closer 
look, all you have to do is enlarge the image on your screen with no 
pixillation until you get very, very close.  This was just a revelation for me! 
 I loved being able to do that in a lace-related book.

But...  because I do prefer to curl up with a book, I took the time to print 
out Jane's book, which I then comb-bound, including a pocket for the CD.  Now, 
it's possible to curl up with the book, read to my heart's content, and when I 
want a better look, take the CD to the computer.

So I don't feel deprived for not having gotten one of the original hard 
copies of the book!  (And it is a great one!)

Clay

--
Clay Blackwell 
Lynchburg, VA USA 


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From: Jean Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 Don't know why this is on both Lace and Lace-chat, as it's clearly a lace 
 topic, so I'm restricting my reply to Lace to save getting it twice. 
 
 A book every time! 
 
 I had a choice of Jane Akinson's book Pattern Design for Torchon Lace new 
 on CD or secondhand in book form - I chose the book. Price had nothing to do 
 with the choice. Books are much easier to peruse at leisure and almost at 
 any time, anywhere. I also find I can usually remember which book I saw a 
 pattern in and can go to that book immediately, but I canlt do that with 
 CDs. 

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Re: [lace] Preference of Book format

2007-10-25 Thread Barb ETx
I guess I have to pop in here.  Sometimes  the preference...book or CDis
an age thing, too.  I , like many of you, prefer to settle in with a book..to
study and read patterns.

I suppose that, like Clay says, the optimum vehicle is a nice glossy book with
a pocket for a CD. (This harkens back to the time when books included
cardboard patterns ready to prick).  But I want a book with the instructions.
Printing out at home and then taking to be spiral bound is not practical for
many people.  I have printed out such, , then placed in sheet protectors...in
a loose-leaf notebook.  Good, but cumbersome and NOT a substitute for a book!.
But then I love books and can always find space for one more.
Smiles
BarbE
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  Naturally, when I make an absolute statement, it doesn't take long for me to
contradict myself!!  Jean Nathan mentioned Jane Atkinson's book on disk, and
this is a good example.  I did not discover Jean's book until it was OOP,
and so was thrilled to learn about the CD.  As soon as I got it, I spent lots
of time looking at it.  The beauty of Jane's book on disk is that the images
are extremely in high definition, and all in color, so that if you want a
closer look, all you have to do is enlarge the image on your screen with no
pixillation until you get very, very close.  This was just a revelation for
me!  I loved being able to do that in a lace-related book.

  But...  because I do prefer to curl up with a book, I took the time to print
out Jane's book, which I then comb-bound, including a pocket for the CD.  Now,
it's possible to curl up with the book, read to my heart's content, and when I
want a better look, take the CD to the computer.

  So I don't feel deprived for not having gotten one of the original hard
copies of the book!  (And it is a great one!)

  Clay

  --
  Clay Blackwell
  Lynchburg, VA USA


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  From: Jean Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   Don't know why this is on both Lace and Lace-chat, as it's clearly a lace
   topic, so I'm restricting my reply to Lace to save getting it twice.
  
   A book every time!
  
   I had a choice of Jane Akinson's book Pattern Design for Torchon Lace
new
   on CD or secondhand in book form - I chose the book. Price had nothing to
do
   with the choice. Books are much easier to peruse at leisure and almost at
   any time, anywhere. I also find I can usually remember which book I saw a
   pattern in and can go to that book immediately, but I canlt do that with
   CDs.

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Fw: [lace] Preference of Book format

2007-10-25 Thread sue
Well I have swung all day, backwards and forewards but really do think the 
absolute ideal is part book, part disc, as the ladies say to be able to 
print off patterns from the disc really is the very best option.

It certainly has been a brain teaser all day:-)  in an ideal world.
Sue T, chilly dull Dorset UK


Naturally, when I make an absolute statement, it doesn't take long for me 
to contradict myself!!  Jean Nathan mentioned Jane Atkinson's book on 
disk, and this is a good example.  I did not discover Jean's book until 
it was OOP, and so was thrilled to learn about the CD.  As soon as I got 
it, I spent lots of time looking at it.  The beauty of Jane's book on disk 
is that the images are extremely in high definition, and all in color, so 
that if you want a closer look, all you have to do is enlarge the image on 
your screen with no pixillation until you get very, very close.  This was 
just a revelation for me!  I loved being able to do that in a lace-related 
book.


But...  because I do prefer to curl up with a book, I took the time to 
print out Jane's book, which I then comb-bound, including a pocket for the 
CD.  Now, it's possible to curl up with the book, read to my heart's 
content, and when I want a better look, take the CD to the computer.


So I don't feel deprived for not having gotten one of the original hard 
copies of the book!  (And it is a great one!)

Clay Blackwell
Lynchburg, VA USA

A book every time!

I had a choice of Jane Akinson's book Pattern Design for Torchon Lace 
new
on CD or secondhand in book form - I chose the book. Price had nothing to 
do

with the choice. Books are much easier to peruse at leisure and almost at
any time, anywhere. I also find I can usually remember which book I saw a
pattern in and can go to that book immediately, but I canlt do that with
CDs.


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RE: [lace] Preference of book format

2007-10-25 Thread Andrea Lamble
Such a shame that all these messages about the book format are coming into the
lace in box. I feel it would have been much better if Carole had requested we
contact her 'off list'. As she says in her message she will provide a summary.
It's not impossible that there is some interesting 'lace' content in some of
the reply messages but the subject line discourages one from want to bother
opening the message 'just in case'.
Maybe I'm just being a 'grumpy old woman', but is this really lace!

Andrea Lamble

Cambridge, UK, but off to Portugal tomorrow for a week to visit my father who
moved there a few years ago.
 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:09:01 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] Preference of book
format  I'm doing an informal survey and would value your opinions. Would
you purchase a pattern book on CD if the CD insert showed thumbnail photos of
the finished lace? If you had the choice of a printed pattern book--let's
assume that it is not a hardbound volume--or a CD, which would you purchase?
If you opted for the CD, how would you use it--to print out the entire
publication, or only those patterns that were of specific interest to you.
What would you consider a fair price for a pattern book on CD?  Thanks for
your responses!! I'll keep track of the responses and offer a summary in a
couple weeks after folks have had time to respond.  Carole Dublin, OH USA
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Re: [lace] Preference of book format

2007-10-25 Thread Barron
personally I'm enjoying all the different points of view
jenny barron
Scotland
Such a shame that all these messages about the book format are coming into the
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Re: [lace] Preference of book format

2007-10-25 Thread C Johnson
Hello all,

I must admit that one could see this as an off-lace topic, but I for one, 
have been enlightened concerning the pros and cons of books versus media. 
It is all a part of lace to me.

I live in an area that has no other lacer that I know of within a 50 minute 
drive of me without my books, cd's and whatnot, my threads would 
probably not be made into laceThe internet is a vital part of lacemaking 
to me.

Selling off copies of books or CDs is always a problem copyright and 
giving credit where credit is due - and the proper ways to go about doing so 
can be confusing.  It never hurts to be reminded of the procedures, and with 
all of us doing so many different kinds of lace, where would we be without 
our books, prickings, and such.

I have been following this line of talk all morning and found it 
fascinating.

Thanks everyone,
Susie
Morris, IL


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  personally I'm enjoying all the different points of view
  jenny barron
  Scotland
  Such a shame that all these messages about the book format are coming into 
the
  lace in box. I feel it would have been much better if Carole had requested 
we
  contact her 'off list'.

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[lace] Preference of book format

2007-10-25 Thread Brenda Paternoster
Like many of you I much prefer a real book to a CD, and if there's more 
than a couple of sentences that I really need to understand I have to 
print out a hard copy.  That plus the problems of the limited life 
expectancy of a CD mean that I say give me a proper book any day.


However, an accompanying CD of any patterns in the book would be good 
because printing from  file is usually much more accurate than 
photocopying or scanning, especially of the pages are tightly bound.  
OK, depending on your computer/printer set up some things will print 
larger or smaller, but the overall length:width ratio doesn't change 
unless it's told to.  Most photocopiers do distort that ratio.


Brenda in Allhallows, Kent
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html

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[lace-chat] RE: [lace] Preference of book format

2007-10-25 Thread Andrea Lamble
Such a shame that all these messages about the book format are coming into the
lace in box. I feel it would have been much better if Carole had requested we
contact her 'off list'. As she says in her message she will provide a summary.
It's not impossible that there is some interesting 'lace' content in some of
the reply messages but the subject line discourages one from want to bother
opening the message 'just in case'.
Maybe I'm just being a 'grumpy old woman', but is this really lace!

Andrea Lamble

Cambridge, UK, but off to Portugal tomorrow for a week to visit my father who
moved there a few years ago.
 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:09:01 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
lace-chat@arachne.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [lace] Preference of book
format  I'm doing an informal survey and would value your opinions. Would
you purchase a pattern book on CD if the CD insert showed thumbnail photos of
the finished lace? If you had the choice of a printed pattern book--let's
assume that it is not a hardbound volume--or a CD, which would you purchase?
If you opted for the CD, how would you use it--to print out the entire
publication, or only those patterns that were of specific interest to you.
What would you consider a fair price for a pattern book on CD?  Thanks for
your responses!! I'll keep track of the responses and offer a summary in a
couple weeks after folks have had time to respond.  Carole Dublin, OH USA
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[lace-chat] Re: [lace] Preference of book format

2007-10-25 Thread Barron
personally I'm enjoying all the different points of view
jenny barron
Scotland
Such a shame that all these messages about the book format are coming into the
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[lace-chat] Re: [lace] Preference of book format

2007-10-25 Thread C Johnson
Hello all,

I must admit that one could see this as an off-lace topic, but I for one, 
have been enlightened concerning the pros and cons of books versus media. 
It is all a part of lace to me.

I live in an area that has no other lacer that I know of within a 50 minute 
drive of me without my books, cd's and whatnot, my threads would 
probably not be made into laceThe internet is a vital part of lacemaking 
to me.

Selling off copies of books or CDs is always a problem copyright and 
giving credit where credit is due - and the proper ways to go about doing so 
can be confusing.  It never hurts to be reminded of the procedures, and with 
all of us doing so many different kinds of lace, where would we be without 
our books, prickings, and such.

I have been following this line of talk all morning and found it 
fascinating.

Thanks everyone,
Susie
Morris, IL


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  personally I'm enjoying all the different points of view
  jenny barron
  Scotland
  Such a shame that all these messages about the book format are coming into 
the
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we
  contact her 'off list'.

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[lace] Preference of book format

2007-10-24 Thread Carole Lassak
I'm doing an informal survey and would value your opinions. Would you purchase 
a pattern book on CD if the CD insert showed thumbnail photos of the finished 
lace? If you had the choice of a printed pattern book--let's assume that it is 
not a hardbound volume--or a CD, which would you purchase? If you opted for the 
CD, how would you use it--to print out the entire publication, or only those 
patterns that were of specific interest to you. What would you consider a fair 
price for a pattern book on CD?

Thanks for your responses!! I'll keep track of the responses and offer a 
summary in a couple weeks after folks have had time to respond.

Carole
Dublin, OH USA

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RE: [lace] Preference of book format

2007-10-24 Thread Karen
I would prefer to buy it on CD and only print what I would need to use from
it when I need to use it for various reasons. 
- Space
- Environment
Are the main two.

Karen in Malta

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I'm doing an informal survey and would value your opinions. Would you
purchase a pattern book on CD if the CD insert showed thumbnail photos of
the finished lace? If you had the choice of a printed pattern book--let's
assume that it is not a hardbound volume--or a CD, which would you purchase?
If you opted for the CD, how would you use it--to print out the entire
publication, or only those patterns that were of specific interest to you.
What would you consider a fair price for a pattern book on CD?

Thanks for your responses!! I'll keep track of the responses and offer a
summary in a couple weeks after folks have had time to respond.

Carole
Dublin, OH USA

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Re: [lace] Preference of book format

2007-10-24 Thread C Johnson
Hi Carol

I would purchase a pattern book on a CD.

I would expect to see the pattern, a pricking and hints for working.

How much to pay would depend on how many patterns I am getting on the CD and 
how detailed the instructions are.
EX:  If I am just getting prickings with no instructions, I should pay 
less.
Several patterns handled with prickings, sample workings, and a working 
description for each pattern may mean the cost would be higher, much like we 
see in the paper media.

Susie Johnson
Website: http://home.comcast.net/~cjohnson0969/
Morris Illinois
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  I'm doing an informal survey and would value your opinions. Would you 
purchase a pattern book on CD if the CD insert showed thumbnail photos of 
the finished lace? If you had the choice of a printed pattern book--let's 
assume that it is not a hardbound volume--or a CD, which would you purchase? 
If you opted for the CD, how would you use it--to print out the entire 
publication, or only those patterns that were of specific interest to you. 
What would you consider a fair price for a pattern book on CD?

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[lace] Preference of book format

2007-10-24 Thread Margot Walker
I really, really, really dislike 'reading' a book on the computer.   
So I rarely buy CDs, since I have to print them out and the cost of  
ink is more than buying a softcover book!  For me to buy a CD, the  
patterns would have to be spectacularly spectacular.


On 24 Oct 2007, at 18:09, Carole Lassak wrote:

I'm doing an informal survey and would value your opinions. Would  
you purchase a pattern book on CD if the CD insert showed thumbnail  
photos of the finished lace? If you had the choice of a printed  
pattern book--let's assume that it is not a hardbound volume--or a  
CD, which would you purchase? If you opted for the CD, how would  
you use it--to print out the entire publication, or only those  
patterns that were of specific interest to you. What would you  
consider a fair price for a pattern book on CD?


Thanks for your responses!! I'll keep track of the responses and  
offer a summary in a couple weeks after folks have had time to  
respond.


Carole
Dublin, OH USA

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[lace-chat] RE: [lace] Preference of book format

2007-10-24 Thread Karen
I would prefer to buy it on CD and only print what I would need to use from
it when I need to use it for various reasons. 
- Space
- Environment
Are the main two.

Karen in Malta

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I'm doing an informal survey and would value your opinions. Would you
purchase a pattern book on CD if the CD insert showed thumbnail photos of
the finished lace? If you had the choice of a printed pattern book--let's
assume that it is not a hardbound volume--or a CD, which would you purchase?
If you opted for the CD, how would you use it--to print out the entire
publication, or only those patterns that were of specific interest to you.
What would you consider a fair price for a pattern book on CD?

Thanks for your responses!! I'll keep track of the responses and offer a
summary in a couple weeks after folks have had time to respond.

Carole
Dublin, OH USA

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