Re: [lace] Shakespeare wearing lace
Bev Angel, Whilst I myself have not done it, you might want to compare with portraits of Sir Francis DRAKE who was a 2nd cousin to Sir Walter RALEIGH. David in Ballarat Just for fun I googled images of Sir Walter Raleigh for whom there seem to be heaps of portraits. Yes, there is a comparison in the style of beard, and general face, can see how the one would remind you of the other. Almost all the images of Sir Walter Raleigh have him wearing a smallish neck ruff. An early one, c. 1585 has a very wide collar (what is the flip description, head on a platter I think), with probably needlelace trim. At first I thought he had lace in his hair, but have decided that is a hat, possibly patterned velvet to match the garment. Here is a link showing Sir Walter's lace collar: http://gallery.nen.gov.uk/image69256.html - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Shakespeare wearing lace
That very thought occurred to me. When I resized the image of the new Shakespeare, the features and head shape became more delicate, reminding me of one Drago portrait. When I'm at the computer next... On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 5:06 AM, David in Ballarat d.collye...@aapt.net.auwrote: Bev Angel, Whilst I myself have not done it, you might want to compare with portraits of Sir Francis DRAKE who was a 2nd cousin to Sir Walter RALEIGH. David in Ballarat Just for fun I googled images of Sir Walter Raleigh for whom there seem to be heaps of portraits. Yes, there is a comparison in the style of beard, and Here is a link showing Sir Walter's lace collar: http://gallery.nen.gov.uk/image69256.html -- Bev off on a road trip from Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Shakespeare wearing lace
If you click on the image on the Irish Times webpage http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0310/1224242572504.html like this http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/images/2009/0310/1224242572504_1.html the lace is clearer. Lindy in Ireland - Original Message - From: Elizabeth Ligeti lizl...@bigpond.com To: Arachne lace@arachne.com Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 2:39 AM Subject: [lace] Shakespeare wearing lace Personally, I really don't care if it was Shakespeare's collar or not - I just Love it, and wish we could see a better close up of the Reticella However, - I would think that it most probably was his own, as by then he was famous, and quite Someone, so could most probably afford this one special piece - for High days ans holidays!! They used to wear their Very Best for portraits, and often had a lacemaker sitting with the painter to make sure they got the lace painted correctly. I am always amazed, and in awe, at the skills of the painters, - when we could make a fair replica of the lace just from a painting made centuries ago. Regards from Liz in Melbourn, Oz. lizl...@bigpond.com -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 329 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1888 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Shakespeare wearing lace
In a message dated 3/11/2009 11:07:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lacema...@eircom.net writes: _http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/images/2009/0310/1224242572504_1.html_ (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/images/2009/0310/1224242572504_1.html) So, do we think it is Italian lace or English lace? Devon **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219671244x1201345076/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Shakespeare wearing lace
Thanks Lindy. So has he got one blue eye and one brown eye, or is that artistic licence with lighting :) David http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/images/2009/0310/1224242572504_1.html the lace is clearer. Lindy in Ireland - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Shakespeare wearing lace
Either Italian or English? or Flemish? The painted face seems oddly elongate, bone structure not quite right. I copied the image and played with it in a paint program to squash the height and widen the face to get a more natural appearance. Interesting. The portraitist could have been several people, one would be expert at drafting the lace part. Someone else would do the features. On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:14 AM, dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/11/2009 11:07:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lacema...@eircom.net writes: _ http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/images/2009/0310/1224242572504_1.html_ (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/images/2009/0310/1224242572504_1.html ) So, do we think it is Italian lace or English lace? -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Shakespeare wearing lace
The only problem I have with that picture is how much it looks like Sir Walter Raleigh...who also lived around that period of time. However who am I to dicker over who looks like who hmmm?? Doesn't matter who it is...the lace is gorgeous...pity the painter didn't go into slightly more detail on that lace. Cearbhael and Pippin the Took -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Ligeti Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:40 PM To: Arachne Subject: [lace] Shakespeare wearing lace Personally, I really don't care if it was Shakespeare's collar or not - I just Love it, and wish we could see a better close up of the Reticella - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Shakespeare wearing lace
Just for fun I googled images of Sir Walter Raleigh for whom there seem to be heaps of portraits. Yes, there is a comparison in the style of beard, and general face, can see how the one would remind you of the other. Almost all the images of Sir Walter Raleigh have him wearing a smallish neck ruff. An early one, c. 1585 has a very wide collar (what is the flip description, head on a platter I think), with probably needlelace trim. At first I thought he had lace in his hair, but have decided that is a hat, possibly patterned velvet to match the garment. Here is a link showing Sir Walter's lace collar: http://gallery.nen.gov.uk/image69256.html On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Angel Skubic cearbh...@mywdo.com wrote: The only problem I have with that picture is how much it looks like Sir Walter Raleigh...who also lived around that period of time. However who am I -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Shakespeare wearing lace
I seem to recall (perhaps incorrectly) that somewhere in all the verbiage about it was the mention that it had been considered to be a picture of Raleigh until this new theory came out. Devon **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219671244x1201345076/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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Maybe neither. Intrigues me where the lace could be from, and when. On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 1:06 PM, dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: I seem to recall (perhaps incorrectly) that somewhere in all the verbiage about it was the mention that it had been considered to be a picture of Raleigh until this new theory came out. Devon -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Shakespeare wearing lace
I think Sir Walter Raleigh was written on the back of the portrait, which is why it was thought to be him not Shakespeare. However, many of the Aristocracy look very similar in these 16th C paintings. The person on the cover of the Renaissance Miniatures book looks very similar, and so does the painting thought to be of Sir Thomas Effingham (shown in Earnshaws Lace in Fashion.) The beard shape fines down the face and the painters made the face shape longer and thinner. -- They were just a proud as we are, and got the painter to paint them at their best!!! - We have Air Brushes today to slim us down a bit, - they just had to pay the painter...! :)) Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz lizl...@bigpond.com -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 330 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Shakespeare wearing lace
An article in today's New York Times discusses a recently found portrait thought to be William Shakespeare. He is wearing a lace collar. The portrait is thought to date from 1610 (confirmed by x-ray of the wood panel) which was six years before Shakespeare died in 1616. One argument presented for the position that it is not Shakespeare is that the lace is too aristocratic and nice, although an accompanying video has a scholar type claiming that Shakespeare was quite successful by the end of his life and would have been able to afford sartorial finery. Any thoughts? _http://www.ny times.com/2009/03/10/world/europe/10shakespeare.html?ref=todayspaper_ (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/10/world/europe/10shakespeare.html?ref=todayspaper) Devon **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219671244x1201345076/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Shakespeare wearing lace
Personally, I really don't care if it was Shakespeare's collar or not - I just Love it, and wish we could see a better close up of the Reticella However, - I would think that it most probably was his own, as by then he was famous, and quite Someone, so could most probably afford this one special piece - for High days ans holidays!! They used to wear their Very Best for portraits, and often had a lacemaker sitting with the painter to make sure they got the lace painted correctly. I am always amazed, and in awe, at the skills of the painters, - when we could make a fair replica of the lace just from a painting made centuries ago. Regards from Liz in Melbourn, Oz. lizl...@bigpond.com -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 329 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Shakespeare wearing lace
In a message dated 3/10/2009 10:40:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lizl...@bigpond.com writes: They used to wear their Very Best for portraits, and often had a lacemaker sitting with the painter to make sure they got the lace painted correctly. This is interesting information. Do you have a source for it? Devon **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219671244x1201345076/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
