RE: [lace] Lace Patterns-Value

[Lorelei Halley]

Devon
Very good response. You covered the issues of creating the instructions very
well. That is a significant part of the issue.
Lorelei


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Subject: [lace] Lace Patterns-Value

I have always been interested in the sort of disconnect in the lace world
between the amount of effort that it takes to design a bobbin lace pattern 

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Re: [lace] Lace Patterns-Value

[Anna Binnie]

I wonder what the average amount of time is for designing a pattern? When we
ask people to contribute a pattern to a project are we essentially asking for
50 hours of their time? At a rate of say, $10 an hour, is it the same as
soliciting $500 from people or asking them to provide over a week a full time
labor?


Dear Devon et al
In the last year or so I contributed a pattern to 'Australian Lace'. It 
is a small linen basket.


Yous wonder how much time it took, well it started off as a commission 
for a Workshop I give every year to a small group in Orange NSW. They 
asked for something with a circle and something that everyone could do 
but would challenge everyone. Group size was 9 and experience went from 
1year to 25+ years.


The thought process took several months, once the basket was hit on, it 
became easier.


Basket basics were designed while camping in the remote Cape Range 
National Park. My husband and his friends were caving everyday for 4 
days leaving me in camp free to design.


The basic structure took a week to draw up and put in the stitches.

The drawing up of the pricking and thread diagrams took another month.

First test run took 5 days

Second test run took 2 days

Teaching notes and diagrams took 3 weeks.

I had posted photos on Facebook and a lady from the US wanted the 
pattern, I sent it and all the information to her in exchange for 
'payment' which was a $5-$10 donation to a charity helping people. She 
donated to a local women's refuge.


The group was so excited by that workshop that they wrote an article for 
'Australian Lace' I was also excited by their response and wrote an 
article about the workshop from a teacher's perspective and decided to 
publish the pattern.


I have designed lace for other workshops in a variety of laces, so here 
is my take:-


Some lacemakers are takers as in 'give me, give me, give me' as in greedy!
More lacemakers a VERY grateful for anything you do give them both in 
your designs and in terms of patterns and tuition.


There are some (and these are in the minority) who take share and 
exploit! It is because there are these lacemakers that I've decided NOT 
to try and earn anything from my patterns. If i share my patterns I 
share them gladly if I wish to sell them then all I ask is for people to 
make a donation of about $5-$10 in their local currency to a local 
charity. In this way the purchaser gets their pattern, a charity gets 
some money to keep functioning AND the pattern recipient gets the tax 
benefit of her donation AND I don't fret about copied patterns. I see it 
as a win win win situation.


I know there are rouge copies floating about the country, in fact I know 
who obtained them without due process. It is amazing what information 
you can get out of checking who is viewing and downloading things from 
your own webpage, especially when the webpage was 'password protected' 
for the benefit of those who signed up to do the online workshop.


Anna in a very wet Sydney, the sun was out for a few days.

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Re: [lace] Lace patterns

[Jenny Brandis]

Following a query I felt that I needed to clarify that Elsa has given me full 
permission to do this and I am not breaching any copyright.

Jenny Brandis
Brookdale, Western Australia

> On 25 Nov 2015, at 6:53 pm, Jenny Brandis  wrote:
> 
> I have opened an Etsy store to sell torchon lace patterns by Elsa van Baaren
> in downloadable PDF. Elsa is the Australian author of the 2 books, Torchon
> Lace Patterns and Torchon Lace Patterns 2 and well loved by fellow lace
> makers. Please take a look at https://www.etsy.com/au/shop/JennyBrandisLace
> 
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Jenny Brandis
> 
> 
> 

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RE: [lace] Lace patterns

[Maureen]

'This must be true, it's virtually one of the first things Maureen teaches
us!!  Learn the basic stitches, a basic bookmark, now learn to 'draft'!!!
And most of us do NOT get out of it LOL'

And you wouldn't want to

Maureen
E Yorks UK (where it is lovely and sunny)

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Re: [lace] Lace patterns

[Sue Duckles]

This must be true, it's virtually one of the first things Maureen teaches us!!  
Learn the basic stitches, a basic bookmark, now learn to 'draft'!!!   And most 
of us do NOT get out of it LOL

Sue (also in East Yorkshire)
On 7 Jun 2014, at 10:02, Maureen wrote:

 HI
 
 I agree Jacquie, it is simple to copy these patterns from the pictures in
 the book.   
 
 Maureen
 E Yorks UK (where it is currently raining)

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RE: [lace] Lace patterns

[Maureen]

HI

I agree Jacquie, it is simple to copy these patterns from the pictures in
the book.   

Maureen
E Yorks UK (where it is currently raining)

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Re: [lace] Lace patterns

[Laceandbits]

These patterns on the whole are very easy to draft from the photographs.  I 
remember they were on sale when OIDFA were in Brighton, many years ago, and 
one look at the price very quickly convinced me that I would just carry on 
drafting any that I wanted to work.  

This also has the advantage that you can work them any size with the thread 
of your choice.  Free graph paper in all sizes is easy to find with a 
google search if you don't have R-XP/Lace 8 and Arachne Brenda Paternoster's 
'Threads for Lace' will tell you all the thread options for the grid sizes.

Jacquie in Lincolnshire

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RE: [lace] Lace patterns

[Jo]

Reminds me of how Ulrike Loehr structured her Maikaefer, flieg!. The first
patterns have lots of instructions, the latter less and less. I try to
encourage my students to draw their own route-maps when they find a pattern
with too little instructions. Consider it a phase in learning levels.

 I always worry about the modern trend of making lace 
 fillowing route map charts.  This is only another form of  
 'making lace by numbers'. A true lacemaker is able to 'read a 
 pricking'

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Re: [lace] Lace patterns

[Lora]

I learned With the Doris southard book and No chance of acess to a teacher (I 
don't think I'll ever have that option)
And really like her method of teaching, although she gives step by step 
instructions for the first part of the book she encourages you to pay attention 
and understand why your doing things, what's going on and alternate ways of 
doing it. And the latter patterns consist of just the pricking and a small photo

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Re: [lace] Lace patterns

[lynrbailey]

My teacher, too, was the author Doris Southard.  I am very grateful to her for 
her book.  I didn't come across a real lacemaker, in the flesh, for at least 12 
years after that.  Her book is excellent for someone without any other resource 
to learn lace.  Making the transition to other authors who assume there will be 
someone at your elbow at some point was not easy, but eventually it was done.  
Now, with the internet and its connections and other available resources, it is 
the rare lacemaker who does not have a live person to consult.  But years ago, 
in the US, lacemakers were virtually impossible to find.  Step by step 
explanations certainly must have their place in such an environment.  It is not 
the ideal, but I highly doubt that many people would be able to learn to make 
lace by reading the pricking without a live person to consult.  lrb


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Subject: Re: [lace] Lace patterns

I learned With the Doris southard book and No chance of acess to a teacher (I 
don't think I'll ever have that option)
And really like her method of teaching, although she gives step by step 
instructions for the first part of the book she encourages you to pay 
attention and understand why your doing things, what's going on and alternate 
ways of doing it. And the latter patterns consist of just the pricking and a 
small photo

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Re: [lace] Lace patterns

[The Lace Bee]

Further to my previous email I am a theorist - I have always believed that I
could do anything if I had a good book on it.  Boy, did I study the highway
code!!!
 
As I started a new type of lace I would use a book to master the particular
technique then one day my mum wanted a small piece of lace to put into her
dolls house and I said (foolish child that I am) just go and look through my
books and patterns and I'll make whatever you want.
 
She picked one of the patterns for a Bucks broach in Lace.  No instructions.
 
So englarged the picture of the lace and got out Practical Skills in Lace by
Bridget M Cook and Cook and Stotts Bobbin Lace Stitches, wound my bobbins and
made a beautiful piece of lace.
 
Mum was so impressed I was commisssioned to make a similar one for her
friend's doll's house.
 
I was in a strange way liberated by this experience.
 
Yes, if I want to quickly start a piece I may use a diagram and for
remembering a particular type of lace that I haven't made for a while I may
get out one of the manuals.  I know that binche is notorious but I think it's
less that we don't think in the right way, less that it's difficult and more
that we don't spend every hour of our day making lace.
 
L

Kind Regards

Liz Baker

thelace...@btinternet.com

My chronicle of my bobbins can be found at my website:
http://thelacebee.weebly.com/

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From: Alex Stillwell alexstillw...@talktalk.net
Subject: [lace] Lace patterns
To: lace@arachne.com
Date: Friday, 4 March, 2011, 17:56


Dear Arachnids

I always worry about the modern trend of making lace fillowing route map
charts.  This is only another form of  'making lace by numbers'. A true
lacemaker is able to 'read a pricking', i.e. be able to look at a pricking
and
interpret what to do by looking at the relationship between the pinholes and
also to have some idea of the characteristics of the lace so as to be able to
judge when to use cloth rather than half stitch and interpret which filling
to
use from the pinholes.

I was teaching lacemaking before Pam Nottingham's first book came out and I
have always taught techniques rather than patterns. One of my students who,
much to my dismay, had taken to working from route maps attended one of Pam's
weekends and returned somewhat disgruntled. Pam had refused to teach her
Floral Bucks until she could work from a geometrical Bucks pricking without
any other information; the fact that she was following one of Pam's patterns
did not help her. I was delighted that she then started working on reading
prickings.

Route maps are fine if you wish to make a complicated piece without the
possibily of getting any help, but try to understand the resons for using
particular techniques and bear in mind that many route maps only show one of
many different ways of working the pricking, that there may be different
interpretations and that many route maps can be improved on.

I wish more would become true lacemakers and read their prickings, rather
than
make lace by numbers. Understanding prickings is also essential before you
can
design and drafting your own prickings.

Happy lacemaking and designing your own lace

Alex

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[lace-chat] Re: [lace] Lace patterns in nature

[Martha Krieg]

Just print it off, cover it with contact paper, and prick a hole 
wherever there's a crossing!

At 3:31 PM + 3/14/05, Carol Adkinson wrote:
Hi Pene et al,
The starfishes are lovely, and that one in particular looks as if he ahs
been decorated.   My grandson is here ate the moment - he has been poorly
with am attack of sickness, and has very nearly completed his basic snake
bookmark today (he has already made a cat in tape lace for his Mum) and
thinks 'someone' ought to make a pricking for a starfish just like the red
one .
Carol - in Suffolk UK.
 Many years ago I saw a photo of a sea-star that looked as if a
 lacemaker had  thought that it needed some decoration added.
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[lace-chat] Re: [lace] Lace patterns in nature

[Martha Krieg]

Just print it off, cover it with contact paper, and prick a hole 
wherever there's a crossing!

At 3:31 PM + 3/14/05, Carol Adkinson wrote:
Hi Pene et al,
The starfishes are lovely, and that one in particular looks as if he ahs
been decorated.   My grandson is here ate the moment - he has been poorly
with am attack of sickness, and has very nearly completed his basic snake
bookmark today (he has already made a cat in tape lace for his Mum) and
thinks 'someone' ought to make a pricking for a starfish just like the red
one .
Carol - in Suffolk UK.
 Many years ago I saw a photo of a sea-star that looked as if a
 lacemaker had  thought that it needed some decoration added.
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Re: [lace] Lace patterns in nature

[Pene Piip]

If any one would like the challenge of making a pattern, I won't be offended.
And I think it is preferable to call them sea-stars than star-fishes 
because
they are just not members of the fish family  are exoskeleton creatures.

I just have not enough time at present due to getting other things done.
Pene
At 05:31 PM 3/14/2005, Carol Adkinson wrote:
Hi Pene et al,
The starfishes are lovely, and that one in particular looks as if he ahs
been decorated.   My grandson is here ate the moment - he has been poorly
with am attack of sickness, and has very nearly completed his basic snake
bookmark today (he has already made a cat in tape lace for his Mum) and
thinks 'someone' ought to make a pricking for a starfish just like the red
one .
Carol - in Suffolk UK.
 Many years ago I saw a photo of a sea-star that looked as if a
 lacemaker had  thought that it needed some decoration added.
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Re: [lace] Lace patterns in nature

[Clay Blackwell]

Jean wrote, ... you could almost use the picture as a pricking...

And to that I add, if you're Betty Mcdonald in Philadelphia, or if you have
had one of her classes, you just may do that!!

Clay

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 From: Jean Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: lace@arachne.com
 Date: 3/15/2005 4:41:09 AM
 Subject: Re: [lace] Lace patterns in nature

 Hi Pene et al,

 One of my students has been looking at starfish as one of the lace 
 classes for this year's Highland Show is 'Design inspired by a 
 starfish' but she hadn't found that one. It really is amazing - you 
 could almost use the picture as a pricking!

 Jean in grey, wet Glasgow

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[lace-chat] Re: [lace] Lace patterns in nature

[Pene Piip]

If any one would like the challenge of making a pattern, I won't be offended.
And I think it is preferable to call them sea-stars than star-fishes 
because
they are just not members of the fish family  are exoskeleton creatures.

I just have not enough time at present due to getting other things done.
Pene
At 05:31 PM 3/14/2005, Carol Adkinson wrote:
Hi Pene et al,
The starfishes are lovely, and that one in particular looks as if he ahs
been decorated.   My grandson is here ate the moment - he has been poorly
with am attack of sickness, and has very nearly completed his basic snake
bookmark today (he has already made a cat in tape lace for his Mum) and
thinks 'someone' ought to make a pricking for a starfish just like the red
one .
Carol - in Suffolk UK.
 Many years ago I saw a photo of a sea-star that looked as if a
 lacemaker had  thought that it needed some decoration added.
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Re: [lace] Lace patterns in nature

[Carol Adkinson]

Hi Pene et al,

The starfishes are lovely, and that one in particular looks as if he ahs
been decorated.   My grandson is here ate the moment - he has been poorly
with am attack of sickness, and has very nearly completed his basic snake
bookmark today (he has already made a cat in tape lace for his Mum) and
thinks 'someone' ought to make a pricking for a starfish just like the red
one .

Carol - in Suffolk UK.

 Many years ago I saw a photo of a sea-star that looked as if a
 lacemaker had  thought that it needed some decoration added.

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[lace-chat] Re: [lace] Lace patterns in nature

[Carol Adkinson]

Hi Pene et al,

The starfishes are lovely, and that one in particular looks as if he ahs
been decorated.   My grandson is here ate the moment - he has been poorly
with am attack of sickness, and has very nearly completed his basic snake
bookmark today (he has already made a cat in tape lace for his Mum) and
thinks 'someone' ought to make a pricking for a starfish just like the red
one .

Carol - in Suffolk UK.

 Many years ago I saw a photo of a sea-star that looked as if a
 lacemaker had  thought that it needed some decoration added.

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