[lace-chat] Re: Blocks
I live *inside* a block! The area of south-east London where I live was laid out for residential use between the wars. It wasn't exactly a proper grid, but where I live now was what could be described as a block. It was a Ministry of Defence site (I've no idea what it was there for). In the late 80s, it was pulled down and about 70 houses built over the site. The developers made 3 closes (dead-end roads) that each wound their way into the block from one of the 4 surrounding roads. But they also built houses on the edges of the site, facing onto three of the surrounding roads. This caused a problem for the numbering on those roads - in the 30s, they hadn't had the foresight to allow for extra houses (like Tamara's numbering scheme). So they borrowed numbers from the existing houses on the other side of the road. Each alternate existing house was given the same number as its neighbour, but with an a after it (eg 31a) and its number given to the new house opposite (eg 32). I bet this didn't go down well with the residents, since a number like 31a suggests you're a flat in a house, rather than a whole house. Come to think of it, I don't think many of us like our street name, Bill Hamling Close; it was named after a local Labour MP in the 70s. It makes it sound like a road on a council estate, even though it's actually a private development g (Why not Hamling Close, for goodness sake??) Why on earth they did this, I don't know. Maybe it was some kind of deal with the local Labour council to allow the developers to build houses here. One of the other new roads was also named after a local luminary, Margaret Gardener Drive. But, get this, the third new road was named Ministry Way, which sounds much posher. Why? Because that road is where they built the larger, smarter houses! I'm gob-smacked by all these numbering systems. Does anyone know when the standard British system of numbering with odd numbers along one side of the road and even numbers down the other came into being? The older streets in the heart of London use an older system, where the buildings are numbered consecutively down one side, and then back up the other. It makes finding your way around central London a nightmare, since you can never be sure which numbering scheme is in use in any particular street. Regards, Annette, London To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] The Trnder Horse Choir URL is:
LOVED the teddies! - Original Message - move your mouse over the bears - http://www.nobodyhere.com/toren.hier The Trønder Horse Choir URL is: From the Norway list via the Alberta list: [switch on your speakers 1st] Here's something for you with musical tastes! Click on this site: http://svt.se/hogafflahage/hogafflaHage_site/Kor/hestekor.swf Wait for the entire screen to load up with all 4 horses a fence in front of them -- Then, click on each horse. Start with the horse on the left. Re-click on any horse to make it turn off, or turn it back on again. Somebody did some real wizardry of programming to coordinate this. Enjoy! Regards, Ann McClean in Llanmerewig, Mid-Wales, U.K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.ann-mcclean.mid-wales.net/ ~ From the moment I picked your book up until I laid it down I was convulsed with laughter. Some day I intend reading it. - Groucho Marx [1895 - 1977] ~ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Thanksgiving plans?
I hope everyone has a wonderful Thanksgiving Day tomorrow! I realize everyone doesn't celebrate it like we do...and some have similar holidays at other times...but I was wondering what those who do are planning to do for the day. Is there a favorite recipe you will make? Maybe something you've done for years or your family did before you? Will you be with family or friends? Will lace play a part? Is there something that sticks out in your mind that you are very thankful for? We will be with family...about 34 of us in fact. There are several new additions...2 boys and a girl! We are thankful that our nephew is safe even though we will miss him as he flying supplies into Iraq daily. There will be lots of food, but there will also be a special time when we go around the whole group and share three things we are thankful for this past year. I am working on a letter M in honiton for my daughter's wedding veil, but I don't think I will get a chance to get much done on it tomorrow. I'd best get busy though as the wedding is in three weeks! Debbie In Florida...where the sun has been shining very nicely today! To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Thanksgiving plans?
At 04:32 PM 11/26/2003 -0800, you wrote: but I was wondering what those who do are planning to do for the day. Is there a favorite recipe you will make? Maybe something you've done for years or your family did before you? Will you be with family or friends? Will lace play a part? Is there something that sticks out in your mind that you are very thankful for? There are only two of us, so I serve up Thanksgiving Dinner the easy way -- bought already cooked and just needing heated up. Only takes about an hour of actual effort -- spread out over about 2-1/2 hours. Weather is supposed to be nasty, so we will probably just stay indoors and be lazy. I think I'll have DH bring up a bottle of wine to go with the turkey. Yes, lace will probably be part of the 'being lazy' bit as we watch TV. I'm still making ornaments--just starting number eight. I hope to make three more at least before I get tired of these patterns. I'm thankful for medium good health and no aching hip, so I can do my many activities with minimum pain. DH and I got out of the habit of traveling to family for this day when we had the store. Family was too far away for a one-day trip and the store was open the day after Thanksgiving. Now it's habit to have a quiet day. Now I have to run to the store to pick up this the box with the ready- to-heat meal items. (Turkey, potatoes, gravy, dressing, pie, rolls, cranberry sauce, and maybe more that I can't think of right now.) It's worth the cost of the food to not have to spend the whole day in the kitchen. I can't make lace in the kitchen! Happy lacing, Alice in Oregon - Happy Thanksgiving to all USA lacemakers!! Oregon Country Lacemakers Arachne Secret Pal Administrator Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Oh dear, Oh dear
I just switched on the TV, and found myself feeling very happy and smiling watching six middle-aged men singing on the Royal Variety Performance (a charity event which takes place in front of the Queen each year). They were The Osmonds, all still recognisable, particularly Jimmy and Donny. While I think they were later than my idolising days (my passion was Pat Boone), I still thoroughly enjoyed being taken back and listening to their old songs. I'll be sitting in a rocking chair, with a shawl round my shoulders, reminiscing soon. Oh dear. Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] House numbers
Where I live, the numbers on each street start from the end nearest the City centre with even numbers on the right, odd numbers on the left (there's that odd equating with left again which we had such an interesting discussion about). The houses on the right side start at the end of the road with number 2, but there are two rows of houses running at right angles to the 'Drive' on the left side. I live at the corner of the 'Drive' and the 'Gardens' but the house fronts onto the 'Gardens' so I live at number 2, whilst my next-door neighbour, whose house, though further along from the beginning of the street, is the first one fronting on the right hand side of the 'Drive' lives at number 1. To add to the confusion, the house opposite is number 20! Joan from Yorkshire To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Jean in Poole
Did you also see the news story about another 'Jean in Poole' in hospital with nasty bruises after being attacked by two burglars in her home. She chased them off empty-handed with a ceremonial sword, which she keeps hanging on the wall. And she is in her eighties, and enthusiastically said she would do it again. Joan from Yorkshire To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Numbering houses
Hi All, This has turned into an interesting thread. Thanks Annette for the info. on numbering buildings in London. Very curious G. My brother once lived at 24-1/2 on some street. That was done instead of adding an a. There used to be halves in Brattleboro too, before 911. I agree about the street names. I think when they renamed here the roads were not supposed to be named after a living person. And the historical society helped with suggestions so most of the names have some connection with the history of the road. Though I don't think any names have anything to do with hoors VBG. My parents moved to Oregon 12 years ago and lived on Kleinschmidt Place. The roads in their neighborhood were named after the people who invested in the development. My brother also lives there and he was on Elizabeth Street. I think the roads in his neighborhood were named after the children/spouses of the developers. In the downtown area of Corvallis, Oregon the N/S roads are numbered and the E/W roads are named after the Presidents of the US. That's a good way to learn your Presidents G. I still can't remember the order. I like the names with some history. Many of the roads in Brattleboro are named for their history. School Street, Canal Street and then there's Church Street. I'm pretty sure that was named for the (Frank?) Church Company who made toilet seats - The best seat in the house. There is also Sunset Lake Road which I think is a very pretty name. And Linden Street where the Linden trees grow. Anyway, time to get back to work. We buy our Thanksgiving dinner from a local restaurant. DH goes to pick it up and we eat at home with four other people tomorrow. Still leaves me quite a bit of cleaning and preparation but I'm SO grateful I don't have to cook the whole meal! Jane in Vermont, USA on Frost Place [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Numbering houses
At 08:53 PM 11/26/2003 -0500, you wrote: Hi All, This has turned into an interesting thread. Thanks Annette for the info. on numbering buildings in London. Very curious G. My brother once lived at 24-1/2 on some street. That reminds me, I have an outside stairway to my back deck, and sometimes I get mail addressed to 1139-1/2. I guess some advertisers think there is an apartment on the house and made up a number for it. G The town I grew up in started with a square grid. Streets one way were numbered and the other way were the alphabet. After the town started growing, the railroad came through the valley, near the town, but at an angle to the town grid. Businesses immediately started up by the railroad and the streets there paralleled the tracks. There's 3 streets on one side and 2 on the other, named for the first 5 presidents, that don't fit the grid. The rest of the town grew to meet those streets resulting in 5-street intersections all along the edge of the business district. It seems that every time I return to that town for a visit, they have restructured the traffic movement on those intersections, with the 'through street' changed. I have to watch carefully for stop signs where there used to be a right-of-way. In the town where I live now, they started with alphabetical streets, but later gave them names of pioneers, keeping the first letters in order. Adams, Baker, Cowls, Davis, Evans, Ford, Galloway, Hembree, Irvine -- and so forth. Later developments used different naming plans -- developers' names and their kids, trees, flowers, famous golf courses. There seems to be no rules, as long as the city council approves. My street developed from the old Indian path that went through this area, thus ended up being named for the Indians (Yamhill) instead of a tree like the rest of them around me, so it lies between Cedar and Elm. Maybe they couldn't think of a good tree name that started with 'D' because these tree streets are also alphabetical. Actually, I'm surprised there are not more Indian names on the streets. They seem to name everything else with Indian names. An interesting note on the numbered streets in this town, when the town started, it had 5 numbered streets. Then, as the town grew, they realized they had numbered from east to west. But the west side of town led to a ravine that limited growth. The east side had lots of expansion room. So, the town council voted to reverse the numbers. 5th because 1st Street, and so forth. That gave them lots of new numbers for new streets. The few new streets that could go on the ravine side were named for famous presidents, in no particular order. Each town has it's own story. It's fun to read local history. Now, back to the lace pillows. Happy lacing, Alice in Oregon - Happy Thanksgiving to all USA lacemakers!! Oregon Country Lacemakers Arachne Secret Pal Administrator Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Roads/blocks
Here in the NW of Washington State, blocks would be numbered according to how far they are from a given point, usually in the center of the city. Each block has a 'hundred' number, so the blocks would be 1000, 2000, 3000. This would then be subdivided to the house number, with each 8 feet of curb having it's number the number for any given house is usually the point where the car driveway intersects with the street/curb. Thus a block could have houses with numbers; 3004, 3010, 3020, etc. These would all be on one side of the street, with similar spaced numbers ending in odd digits on the opposite side of the street. In the county where I grew up all 'streets' ran east to west, avenues ran north to south. Streets had even numbered housed on the north side, odd numbered housed on the south side of the street. Avenues have even numbers on the east side and odd on the west side. This makes it very easy to know just where to look for any particular house. And that may be more than you ever wanted to know about house numbers -but it was very important to my fireman husband. Lorri Washington State USA - Original Message - From: W N Lafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:18 PM Subject: [lace-chat] Roads/blocks Talking of block sizes and maps, I am always intrigued by USA street addresses, where the property number is often in four digits, for example 1358 Smith Street. Is there a 3 Smith Street? Is Smith Street really that long that it has over 1,358 houses in it, or is your numbering system based on some other principle! Noelene in Cooma [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nlafferty/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Blocks/numbers
The older streets in the heart of London use an older system, where the buildings are numbered consecutively down one side, and then back up the other. But that presumes that the street has an end at which to reverse the numbering, which older streets did...but not here in midwestern America. Streets normally keep their names over intersections with other roads, sometimes for miles clear into the next town. North Territorial Road goes what seems like forever! And Michigan Avenue (also known as Route 12) goes from the center of Detroit at least, west through Ypsilanti and on past Ann Arbor. On the other hand, the intersection of the numbering grids can lead to some funny situations, too. My house is on a quarter-circle... and has three numbers. This is on the N/S section, but when you walk south and it bends to become an E/W street, the house numbers switch to the other axis of the grid, which at that point is in the 2000's! -- -- Martha Krieg [EMAIL PROTECTED] in Michigan To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Street names
On Wednesday, Nov 26, 2003, at 21:35 US/Eastern, alice howell wrote: In the town where I live now, they started with alphabetical streets, but later gave them names of pioneers, keeping the first letters in order. Adams, Baker, Cowls, Davis, Evans, Ford, Galloway, Hembree, Irvine -- and so forth. Later developments used different naming plans -- developers' names and their kids, trees, flowers, famous golf courses. There seems to be no rules, as long as the city council approves. When Warsaw was rebuilt after WWII (98% destruction), some of the streets/squares kept their old names, and some got new ones (especially if a street no longer followed the path of a pre-war one). Some of the new ones were re-named when I was 7 (change in the political climate) and re-named again in '89 (another change in political climate g). But that was downtown. When Warsaw started spreading outwards, the city planners decided to use names which would be palatable to everyone, forever after, for the new settlements/districts/quarters (whatever it's called in English). So, I have a friend who used to live on Szekspira (Shakespeare's) -- all the streets in his area used names of writers. I have a friend who lives on Wodzirejow (dance leaders'), corner of Poleczki (polka's) -- all the streets there are named after dances. Another lives on Skrzypcowa (violin's) -- all the streets in her area -- adjacent to the dancing one -- are named after instruments and composers. In the area around the road leading to the airport (Zwirki i Wigury), the streets are named after aviators and airplanes so he lives on Lindbergha (Lindbergh's). Etc. Makes it quite easy, in general, to tell from an address in just which part of the city someone lives. But there are exceptions; people who live in the music settlement have never forgiven downtown for pre-empting Szopena (Chopin's)... :) Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] RE: house numbers
Gidday all, Is Smith Street really that long that it has over 1,358 houses in it, or is your numbering system based on some other principle! Some other principle ;-)) Say that Smith Street runs North-South, and 13th Avenue crosses it East-West. The house numbers between 13th and 14th Avenue would all be 13xx, odd numbers on one side of the street, even numbers on the opposite. Wow, I've learnt something today! I had no idea you had such complicated (to a stranger) numbering systems. I really thought you just had very long streets. In Australia we just have ordinary numbers starting at 1 and going 'til the street ends, with odds on one side and evens on the other. An exception is a court (dead end street, usually quite short, with bowl shape at end for turning car around) which usually is just numbered 1-? starting at one corner and going around the court until you are back at the opposite corner. Mostly our streets are named as well, with relatively few 1st Avenue type names. Some cities are laid out in a grid pattern, Adelaide being a good example, but others are a mess (we've already discussed the difficulties of navigating around Canberra's circles), and the radiating out from the centre that you talk of is not something used (in my experience anyway). We use the term block but it is applied to a general going around the immediate corners/area which is not necessarily a square/rectangle. When a new housing estate is developed, the powers that be try to be creative with their street names, so you often find a whole area with girls names, flora/fauna, animals etc. Actually that could be unoriginality and boredom instead. Here in South Africa the streets also seem to be ordinary numbering, although there is far greater use of 1st Avenue type names. Using street names for posting mail is irrelevant in a lot of areas anyway as there are no letterboxes or street postal delivery in a lot of area, and in the areas that there is, it isn't reliable, so most people have post office boxes. Where I live if you don't have a post office box, you don't get any mail! Michelle Long an Aussie living in Richards Bay, South Africa wishing the postal service was better here so that I could join the secret pals To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
