Re: [lace-chat] Katrina devastaion
le 23/09/05 17:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] à [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : I wonder also whether people will want to return to live somewhere where they have experienced such devastation - I think I would be one who would get to the highest ground, and furthest from the Gulf states, just in case ... i read in a paper that's the old french quarter didn't get flooded because it had been built higher than the flood level . the ancients did have good ideas sometimes.. but then they didn't think they could override nature's laws ... dominique from Paris To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Katrina devastaion
Carol et al, I know I, for one, in this country - the UK - can't quite grasp the size of the United States, and the individual States themselves. I don't think we should be criticising the relief work, and the not clearing up of the bodies. If England were completely flooded like that - and not just flooded, but with the water continuing to pour into the flooded areas from the rivers and lakes whose perimeters had been breached - it would more than likely take a jolly sight longer than a day or two to get persons marshalled to start the rescue work, even if they were only coming from Wales, Ireland and Scotlamd!At least with the tsunami, the water came in, and then went away again in very short order - in the Gulf States, there was water what - 20 to 25 foot of water continually, which wasn't going down much, as far as I could see from the news bulletins. And certainly, if I was one of those left clinging to rooftops or anything else which had a chance of floating to keep me alive, I would be a tad miffed if the dead were recovered before I was - just in case I very soon became one of the dead! However, what I am wondering at, is the pledge to rebuild, 'just as it was'. It seems a little silly to me to rebuild areas, and re-inhabit areas, which are going to be in the path of even more and even stronger hurricanes (as a result of global warming), are below sea-level, and protected just by levees which didn't hold this time! I wonder also whether people will want to return to live somewhere where they have experienced such devastation - I think I would be one who would get to the highest ground, and furthest from the Gulf states, just in case ... But no doubt they will get the biggest brains in the country to sort all the logistics out - but I am sure it will take many months indeed, if not years, to do so. But - my hearts go out to all those who have suffered in any way at all, and my admiration for those involved in the rescue work knows no bounds - they all deserve thanks and praise. Carol - in Suffolk UK - Original Message - From: Carol Melton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lace Chat lace-chat@arachne.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 7:36 PM Subject: [lace-chat] Katrina devastaion Dear David, The devastation left in Katrina's wake stretches over 90,000 square miles (144,834 square kilometers) United Kingdom: 93,788 square miles (242,910 square kilometers) England: 50,356 square miles (130,423 square kilometers) New Orleans has a land area of 197 square miles. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Katrina devastaion
In a message dated 9/23/2005 8:16:56 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, what I am wondering at, is the pledge to rebuild, 'just as it was'. It seems a little silly to me to rebuild areas, and re-inhabit areas, which are going to be in the path of even more and even stronger hurricanes (as a result of global warming), are below sea-level, and protected just by levees which didn't hold this time! I wonder also whether people will want to return to live somewhere where they have experienced such devastation - I think I would be one who would get to the highest ground, and furthest from the Gulf states, just in case ... But no doubt they will get the biggest brains in the country to sort all the logistics out - but I am sure it will take many months indeed, if not years, to do so. This is really an important issue. The senators from Louisiana yesterday proposed a massive bill (about $260 billion) to help the State recover. Among other things, they are concerned about addressing the continued threat it would pose if they rebuild just as before. It has been known for years that the levee system is inadequate, and the rapid erosion of the wetlands extending into the gulf, due primarily to offshore oil and gas development and barge traffic, is exposing the inhabited areas ever more to these increasingly high intensity storms and storm serges. It would be a big mstake to rebuild as before, and I don't think anyone harbors any illusions about that. The only problem is that to address the situation even partially will be enormously expensive, and require changes on many fronts. Regards, Ricki Utah To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Katrina devastaion
i agree with you on why anyone would want to live there. i wouldn't and i don't have any wierd dillusions about living near shark infested water. the areas in new orleans should be left as tourist areas only, but because sometimes the property is a million dollars an acre near the oceans, all those poor people who own a little lot of land would be ripped off if they couldn't get their land back. new orleans should take their loss as it is and not rebuild. maybe the government could give them a swap being the government could use the ocean front for in-season tourism. i really hope they don't go back, but they have lived there all their lives. new orleans has been around since before the u.s.a. was ever thought of. their government representatives are mostly responsible for how slow things are moving. the higher up officials shouldn't have to make such small decisions. they just handle all the money to be disbursed. the police departments, mayors, city council members, governors, and senators are mostly to blame. it shows there are a lot of bad politics in the state of louisiana by how slow they were. sometimes it is hard to get a bad-click of people out of authority. it's a shame it took a disaster like this to point it out. america is not equiped for disasters and don't know how to respond to them. they have books and training, but no one to test them. our little town in tennessee has test runs on all of their emergency departments even for terrorism. it was almost required because of 9/11, so new orleans must have missed out on a lot of training. all of their city official including the police department should have been better prepared. to: --- Carol Adkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from susan in tennessee,u.s.a. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - from susan in tennessee,u.s.a. the news media who is there watching and filming could also lend a hand while they are there instead of filming it. they want to prance around like a bunch of know-it-alls but not lift a hand other than show horrible pictures of rotting dead bodies to the world. i think they are as much to blame as any one else. The Australian news media went in and found Australian nationals and got them out of the area when our government officials refused, complaining that they weren't allowed in to look for them. BTW The last Aussie to be found was in jail having been arrested for being drunk only a few hours after he arrived in the country, the night before the hurricane. His mother arrived in the US and was reported as saying she was going to hug him first and then she was going to belt him one...ahhh children! Cheers, Yvonne To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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i think your country knows some really good team work. at least they were determined enough to ignore all the red tape and go in there and do their job. ours should take some notes and learn. lol!! --- A Y Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Australian news media went in and found Australian nationals and got them out of the area when our government officials refused, complaining that they weren't allowed in to look for them. BTW The last Aussie to be found was in jail having been arrested for being drunk only a few hours after he arrived in the country, the night before the hurricane. His mother arrived in the US and was reported as saying she was going to hug him first and then she was going to belt him one...ahhh children! from susan in tennessee,u.s.a. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Katrina devastaion
Dear David, The devastation left in Katrina's wake stretches over 90,000 square miles (144,834 square kilometers) United Kingdom: 93,788 square miles (242,910 square kilometers) England: 50,356 square miles (130,423 square kilometers) New Orleans has a land area of 197 square miles. How big is Darwin? And did they have to contend with up to 25 feet of water all over everything? Did some of those in need of rescue shoot at their rescuers? Did they shoot at the helicopters? Did the bus drivers driving buses into Darwin to rescue people get hijacked and the busses stolen from them? That's what happened in New Orleans. Not to say that you all didn't do a marvelous job dealing with that disaster, but just how closely does it really compare to Katrina? Many people keep referring to New Orleans as if it was the only place devastated - do you realize that New Orleans is .2% - that is point two percent - of the total area of devastation? That leaves 89,803 square miles that had people and businesses family farms and everything else that New Orleans had. And no reports of any one shooting at rescuers or hijacking the buses that came to rescue them in Biloxi, Mississippi. Or any where else. What was in the minds of those people I don't know, and neither did Governor Blanco when she bemoaned their behavior at a news conference - that CNN played once as far as I saw. No repeating of that news clip over and over. The police refused to go out and try to rescue any more people - they were holed up trying to defend their stations. Those officers that lived through the hurricane anyway. You said - Yes that's right. But here in Australia you will find that it's the ordinary people who are on hand who time and time again seem to display an inordinate sense of morality, duty and care. They simply do not wait for the official folk but get stuck in immediately and get things moving in the right direction. Well, David, just who do you think was first on the scenes helping before the National Guards got there and are still there. Doctors, nurses, firemen, police officers, and people who just had muscle to use, willing to do anything, and yes the hams too, from all over the country went there.Do you really think elsewhere, besides New Orleans where you were liable to get shot for helping, - that no one was doing anything? The volunteers were spread out over the rest of the area which was as I said before, 89,803 Square Miles. Those that could went there. Those that couldn't, have helped in other ways - from donating goods, money, taking people into their homes, you name it has been done. Too bad the news media doesn't cover that aspect a little more fully. Best Regards, Carol Melton, Litchfield Park, AZ - USA To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- Carol Melton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How big is Darwin? And did they have to contend with up to 25 feet of water all over everything? Did some of those in need of rescue shoot at their rescuers? Did they shoot at the helicopters? Did the bus drivers driving buses into Darwin to rescue people get hijacked and the busses stolen from them? not defending anyone who shoots his or her rescuer, but i guess after they were left there to die, they didn't really care. i am definetly not complaining at all why the police would want to give up and walk away, but those are the drug lords that are probably waiting for their chance at the other citizens who can't get help either. i don't agree that the police department should have given up. they could have used force at that point, but they didn't. they stopped the whole rescue mission. that didn't make any sense. those other citizens who were waiting deserved at least that much that the officers would keep trying. at a news conference - that CNN played once as far as I saw. No repeating of that news clip over and over. The police refused to go out and try to rescue any more people - they were holed up trying to defend their stations. Those officers that lived through the hurricane anyway. the police department was lazy and stupid to do that. they are supposed to be trained police officers to defened their city. if they couldn't handle some street punks, then they didn't make themselves look any better by stopping their whole project and letting the other innocent victims die without help. the news media who is there watching and filming could also lend a hand while they are there instead of filming it. they want to prance around like a bunch of know-it-alls but not lift a hand other than show horrible pictures of rotting dead bodies to the world. i think they are as much to blame as any one else. from susan in tennessee,u.s.a. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
