Re: [Lazarus] 1.6.0-fpc-3.0.0-win64.exe

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On 05/25/2016 01:47 PM, Larry Dalton wrote:

I have been using 1.2.4 win32 because of a printer issue when trying to use
the  64 bit compiler. Are there any printer issues with the new version?


you need to be more specific... what, exactly, do you mean by ""printer 
issue""??

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Re: [Lazarus] Fw: new message

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On 05/08/2016 03:43 PM, Lazarus mailing list  wrote:

Hello!

*You have a new message, please read* 
hxxp://thesafeandlockshop.co.uk/loud.php?lh

Lazarus mailing list


would an admin handle this infested account, please?

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Re: [Lazarus] PDF generator: please test

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On 04/09/2016 10:57 AM, Ondrej Pokorny wrote:

On 09.04.2016 15:44, wkitt...@windstream.net wrote:

On 04/09/2016 04:30 AM, Ondrej Pokorny wrote:

Please don't take it as an offence, there is no.
I just first opened the PDF, saw the typo and then I had to check in the source
code if it is really a typo or the library picks up the wrong character for the
PDF. It is a typo, so everything is OK.
It would be still great if you corrected it ;)
Correct is "Здравствуйте" (I missed a character in the first email as well :D)


interesting in what determines "correct"...

Алло мир!
Привет мир!
Здравствуйте мир!


"Correct" as I used it was about a typo in one of the words you presented. It
wasn't about word choice.


oh! in that case, carry on! :) O:)

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Re: [Lazarus] PDF generator: please test

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On 04/09/2016 04:30 AM, Ondrej Pokorny wrote:

Please don't take it as an offence, there is no.
I just first opened the PDF, saw the typo and then I had to check in the source
code if it is really a typo or the library picks up the wrong character for the
PDF. It is a typo, so everything is OK.
It would be still great if you corrected it ;)
Correct is "Здравствуйте" (I missed a character in the first email as well :D)


interesting in what determines "correct"...

Алло мир!
Привет мир!
Здравствуйте мир!


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Re: [Lazarus] Search dialog scope

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On 04/07/2016 01:07 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:

On 2016-04-07 17:42, Ondrej Pokorny wrote:

another place is that the text is inserted into the IDE editor with a
keyboard


Oh wow - I haven't seen one of those in years. My computer uses mind control
- I think of code and it appears (coffee is my fuel). ;-)


ROTFL!

PS: you misspelled c0ffee ;) O:)

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Re: [Lazarus] German umlauts in component names

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On 04/04/2016 10:57 AM, Bart wrote:

Well, I'm not English and still I do not desire such a feature. I tend to
have English names for all procedures/functions/properties/types as well. To
me it just looks funny to have 2 languages in one file e.g.


the worst that i've seen is delphi code with russian comments that i have to run 
through a translator to understand... those translations i generally paste back 
into the code over the russian text so that others can more easily understand 
and i won't have to do the translation thing every time i try to dig into the 
code...


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Re: [Lazarus] Can some fix this "make" issue? Pi related.

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On 04/01/2016 03:25 AM, Anthony Walter wrote:

Here is what my Pi looks like with a ssh session and 64MB reserved for the GPU.
Note the free memory is 854MB:

pi@retropie:~ $ free -m
  total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
Mem:   925571354  6 20479
-/+ buffers/cache: 70854
Swap:   99  0 99

Here is what it looks like with and ssh session, 128MB reserved for the GPU,
mate desktop running, and Lazarus opened:

pi@retropie:~ $ free -m
  total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
Mem:   862413449 16 32199
-/+ buffers/cache:181681
Swap:   99  0 99

Rebuilding the IDE will actually fail at this point. Note the free memory is
actually 681MB.


ummm... shouldn't the compiling process use as much swap as needed if real 
memory it too tight (aka not enough)??


the swap size is what attracted my attention because normally swap is the same 
or double what installed real memory is... eg: 16G RAM means that 16G to 32G of 
swap is configured...


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Re: [Lazarus] LCL exports CC-licensed icons to every LCL application

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On 03/23/2016 08:07 AM, Michael Thompson wrote:

Here's everything I found when I first went looking for this kind of info
http://forum.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php/topic,13957.msg155398.html


thanks for that! will it work for non-GUI console only apps? i did see where 
someone asked about a built-in dialogue and was told one does not exist which 
seems to indicate that it will work for non-GUI apps...



(And I've been using the VersionSupport unit with almost no change since I
posted it ..)


hummm... "almost no change" implies that there is a change of some kind... can 
you update your original post or post another with the change or newer unit?


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Re: [Lazarus] LCL exports CC-licensed icons to every LCL application

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On 03/23/2016 06:11 AM, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:

Looking at this a different way, could the TApplication object have provision
(not necessarily enabled by default) for displaying a splash form which either
had a default set of acknowledgements embedded or could gather them from
packages etc.?


that's what i was wondering... especially since i'm likely not going to try to 
track down all icons and other similar code that is bundled in code that i got 
from somewhere (eg: lazarus) and then try to write some acknowledgement of them 
in some about screen that i generally don't create... if the code comes from a 
set of libraries that is included by default, there should also be some sort of 
automatic acknowledgement included as well... silk icons? tango icons? WFT? is 
this as bad as all those fonts that no one uses??? :sigh:


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Re: [Lazarus] image upload to wiki

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On 02/23/2016 04:14 PM, Alexsander Rosa wrote:

Yes, but which one is the main one? They seem to compete with eachother.


first, i trimmed several useless signatures and irrelevant text from the post 
i'm replying... can we please use some proper netiquette and trim crap and shite 
from our replies???


on the actual topic, they seem to compete, it seems to me that projects and apps 
are quite different... a project may use code from numerous languages and 
libraries whereas an app, in this instance, i would expect to be based in 
freepascal as the main language used...


my two centavos as an old schooler from the 60s ;)

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Re: [Lazarus] Warning about integer constant and expression

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On 02/23/2016 12:28 PM, Jürgen Hestermann wrote:


if i64>int64(High(SizeInt)) then


if i64>(high(int64(SizeInt)) then

??

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Re: [Lazarus] How to set defines for a project? Lazarus crashes...

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On 02/09/2016 04:10 AM, Bo Berglund wrote:

On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 23:24:35 +0100, mic...@gmail.com wrote:


I am using Lazarus 1.6RC2 and FPC 3.0.0 on Raspbian Jessie.

reboot ist not needed on linux
use a console and kill command
Ctrl-Alt-F1 for console


Or use the terminal icon on the taskbar, right?
But then what? How do I use kill to shut down Lazarus?
I am used to Windows Task Manager where the running programs are
listed and one can stop it, but how do I get a corresponding list in
which to select Lazarus in Linux?


i generally use something like this

  ps aux | grep -Ei -e "[l]azarus"

the square braces around the first letter in the grep cause grep to find the 
real occurrence and not a second one which would be itself...


one can also use the system monitor or top or numerous other tools that show 
what programs and services are running... most all of those will show the pid...


i was also thinking that there might be a pid file for lazarus... they're 
generally found in /var/run but i don't see one in there... IF there were one, 
one could use a command similar to this...


  kill -TERM `cat /var/run/Lazarus.pid`

OR

  kill -TERM `pgrep Lazarus`


note that there is case sensitivity at play with the file name of the PID... and 
once again, lazarus apparently does not have a pid file...


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Re: [Lazarus] Stopping a service from within a service

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On 02/04/2016 11:41 AM, Richard Mace wrote:

Hi,

What's the best way of shutting down a service that is a service, having the
same effect as the user clicking stop.

Basically, I want my service to monitor a condition, which if met, it will stop
itself.

Windows Lazarus 1.4.4


i don't know of a ""best"" way but there are several... the easiest might be to 
monitor a disk-based semaphore file... if it exists, the service closes as you 
desire...


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Re: [Lazarus] Do we really need a PaintSwastika procedure?

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On 01/08/2016 10:44 AM, Mattias Gaertner wrote:

On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 09:05:56 -0500
wkitt...@windstream.net wrote:


[...]

There is a difference between forbidding a flag and promoting it.


having built-in procedures to paint flags and symbols is not promoting those
symbols and flags...


I'm glad that you agree that removing a helper function is not
"forbidding".


hahaha... yes, removing it is not "forbidding" it... but having (unknowingly) 
had it, knowing that it has been removed leaves an empty hole :?



I'm not a native English speaker so maybe "promoting" is the wrong
word. Maybe a better word is support, boost, encourage or help on.


i was thinking of "promoting" as in commercials where a product is promoted...


Although after this long mail thread the function is pretty much promoted.


true dat...

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Re: [Lazarus] Do we really need a PaintSwastika procedure?

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On 01/08/2016 06:16 AM, Mattias Gaertner wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jan 2016 11:19:09 +0100
Zeljko  wrote:


[...]
Shall we ask hollywood producers to stop making
movies/documentaries which shows german nazi flag ? Shall we ask video
games makers to stop produce games which shows nazi symbols (eg.
wolfenstein) ? C'mon ppl what drugs do you use ?
Again, this is completely wrong. We are not political or religion
organization, we are talking about paint procedure which paints symbol.


There is a difference between forbidding a flag and promoting it.


having built-in procedures to paint flags and symbols is not promoting those 
symbols and flags...


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Re: [Lazarus] Do we really need a PaintSwastika procedure?

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On 01/07/2016 06:14 PM, Anthony Walter wrote:

Even if you like the shape of the Nazi style Swastika, and have appreciation
of its history in Finland, most everyone in the developed Western world now
recognizes it as a symbol of Nazism,


due to pure ignorance and lack of proper teaching of its true history... for 
someone to continue to further this ignorance is a travesty of the utmost...



and by extension a symbol of prejudicial racism and hate.


the next thing you know, the christian cross (aka latin cross aka crucifix) will 
be seen in the same light... does the name "westboro" ring a bell?? what do you 
do when religion is used to drive hatred and fear? contrary to the teachings of 
love and friendship... are we going to ban or remove the "star and crescent" 
because of what ISIS/Isil/IS/Daesh are doing?


i fully agree with juha's comments... this can of pandora's worms should have 
been left closed and buried just like her box...


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Re: [Lazarus] Do we really need a PaintSwastika procedure?

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On 01/06/2016 03:23 PM, Ondrej Pokorny wrote:

On 06.01.2016 21:09, Dmitry Boyarintsev wrote:

Indeed! PaintSwastika draws a religious rune, not a Nazi symbol!


Indeed! Therefore PaintSwastika should be renamed to "PaintCrookedCross" to
comply with "PaintFivePointLineStar".

It doesn't make sense to have Swastika and then omit Pentagram. Lazarus sources
should be uniform.


so how about adding PaintCrookedCross and PaintPentagram? 

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Re: [Lazarus] UTF8String and UTF8Delete

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On 12/14/2015 01:09 PM, Juha Manninen wrote:

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 7:43 PM,   wrote:

we're talking about text editors on traditional old school BBSes and offline
readers... the old qedit is one that comes to mind for use with offline
readers though some real masochists used edlin ;)


I thought BBS was made obsolete by e-mails, internet forums and social
media sites. Apparently not.


yup, definitely not... there aren't as many as there used to be, that's very 
true, but they do still exist... i've got four running here using three 
different packages and if pressed i could likely dig up addresses for many 
more... the big thing, today, is that we've been able to use virtual modems 
which speak old style serial comms on the one side and telnet, vmodem or 
possibly ssh on the other side... some systems also support rlogin as well as 
having integrated ftp and web capability...


but, we've drifted way O/T for this thread... this branch only came up because 
of what i try to do and what i do have to do in certain cases dealing with BBSes 
and custom utils written for them...


BTW: there is at least one relatively modern BBS written with FPC and i'm aware 
of at least two others being ported to FPC from TP/BP... there's also at least 
one ANSI terminal that i think is also done with FPC... it interfaces with SDL2, 
though, and that's way outside my realm...


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Re: [Lazarus] UTF8String and UTF8Delete

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On 12/14/2015 04:06 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:

On 2015-12-14 03:40, wkitt...@windstream.net wrote:

You mean you convert from Unicode to CP437 system codepage?

yes... plain text readers and editors cannot handle the fancy mess of today's
world... they only know CP437 or maybe CP850...



Wow, I don't know what text editors you use, but any text editor worth
using should at least support Unicode. If not, that text editor has seen
updates for 10-15+ years.


we're talking about text editors on traditional old school BBSes and offline 
readers... the old qedit is one that comes to mind for use with offline readers 
though some real masochists used edlin ;)


the online editors used /on/ BBSes are generally line oriented or "full 
screen"... they may be built into the BBS package or they may be an add-on that 
is executed like a door... "full screen" editors use ANSI sequences for some 
cursor positioning...


we're talking about being able to use these editors in terminal programs like 
Telix, ProComm, Qmodem, {COMMO}, etc...


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Re: [Lazarus] UTF8String and UTF8Delete

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On 12/12/2015 05:28 PM, Juha Manninen wrote:

On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 8:38 PM,   wrote:

especially those readers from the ancient past (TP/BP days) who are trying
to catch up to the modern future...


LCL has supported UTF-8 for > 10 years. As a long time Lazarus user
you should know it.


i don't because i'm just barely dipping my toes into the UTF-8 pool... one of my 
first tasks was to convert today's mess back to CP437 for posting in pure text 
environments... it wasn't too hard but it was tedious with tables for converting 
quoted-printable, html entities and unicode so that things like


  
  #$C2#$A9
  =A9
  

are all converted to the old style "(c)" copyright... the same for "(tm)" and 
others... 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 are additional examples...



For most cases things did not change very much. Earlier you had to use
the explicit UTF8...() functions, now you don't need them. Things are
better!


i'm hoping to dip further into the pool in the next few years...


Usage of UTF-8 multi-byte codepoints is explained here :
  http://wiki.freepascal.org/UTF8_strings_and_characters



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Re: [Lazarus] UTF8String and UTF8Delete

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On 12/13/2015 05:43 PM, Juha Manninen wrote:

On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 11:18 PM,   wrote:

i don't because i'm just barely dipping my toes into the UTF-8 pool... one
of my first tasks was to convert today's mess back to CP437 for posting in
pure text environments... it wasn't too hard but it was tedious with tables
for converting quoted-printable, html entities and unicode so that things
like

   
   #$C2#$A9
   =A9
   

are all converted to the old style "(c)" copyright... the same for "(tm)"
and others... 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 are additional examples...


You mean you convert from Unicode to CP437 system codepage?


yes... plain text readers and editors cannot handle the fancy mess of today's 
world... they only know CP437 or maybe CP850...



Uhhh... most people do the exact opposite and want to get rid of the
horrors of local codepages using any means possible.


most people are not writing utilities for genuine old-school text-mode BBSes, 
either ;)



What means "pure text environments"? Unicode is also pure text, only
the encodings are more sane.


pure text as in only the 255 characters that CP437 offers... think DOS v6.xx 
command line... no graphics other than the few dozen or so characters offered 
>127 in CP437... i've already mentioned the single and double line frame 
characters... there's also the shading (stippled?) and solid block characters...



i'm hoping to dip further into the pool in the next few years...


Now you convert from Unicode to CP437. Next year you start to convert
from CP437 to Unicode.
Ok. You may be doing something dummy now but it is not my business of
course... :)


no, not "dummy" at all... it has everything to do with the technology target... 
in one case, we're converting emailed news letters to plain CP437 text for 
posting in old school BBS message bases... pdf crap is out as it any sort of 
html or unicode cruft... there are no QWK or BlueWave offline readers that can 
render any of that mess...


BTW: yes, Fidonet and WWIVnet and similar old school BBS message networks still 
exist today... get back to the real roots of computer based comms B)



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Re: [Lazarus] UTF8String and UTF8Delete

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On 12/12/2015 10:47 AM, Bart wrote:

Anyhow, as stated before, there should be noneed to use the type
Utf8String in Lazarus programs.


i've been trying to follow along and keep up with this but this statement 
confuses me... how do you designate that a string is utf8 if you don't use that 
type?


i mean, i'm really old school... i normally use just string or string[xx]... 
sometimes ansistring... it is all so damned confusing now :(


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Re: [Lazarus] UTF8String and UTF8Delete

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On 12/12/2015 11:21 AM, Juha Manninen wrote:

On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 6:16 PM,   wrote:

i mean, i'm really old school... i normally use just string or string[xx]...
sometimes ansistring... it is all so damned confusing now :(


It is no more confusing than in Delphi where the default String has
UTF-16 encoding.


i don't do delphi... never have and never will ;)


In Lazarus it is now UTF-8. Besides, it is amazingly compatible with
Delphi at source level.
In any case the current system is much better than the old AnsiString
+ dedicated UTF...() functions hack.


ok... so do we just define a var as string and stuff any old thing into it? if 
so, /how/ does it know that two or more bytes are for one code point or whether 
they are actually separate bytes? i still do a lot of stuff with the old >127 
CP437 graphical characters (especially the single and double line box drawing 
characters) and things are really messed up at times...


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Re: [Lazarus] UTF8String and UTF8Delete

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On 12/12/2015 12:47 PM, Jürgen Hestermann wrote:

Am 2015-12-12 um 18:21 schrieb Juha Manninen:

[...]

Then it explain the technical details how it was implemented.


This may be true for those who coded the new string mode
or those who wrote the wiki but not for the readers who
tries to find out without knowing it already.


especially those readers from the ancient past (TP/BP days) who are trying to 
catch up to the modern future...


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Re: [Lazarus] Getting MySQL process output

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On 12/05/2015 12:37 PM, Aradeonas wrote:

Did you use the poNoConsole option ?

Yes and NumByteAvailable  is 0 but it write "Enter Password" message in console.
I can understand why this message goes in Lazarus output or wherever except
output of TProcess.


is it maybe sent via something other than STDOUT? STDERR perhaps? for security 
reasons maybe?


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Re: [Lazarus] Are you on Windows 10? Are you experiencing slow installs? Here's the deal...

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On 12/02/2015 04:14 AM, Anthony Walter wrote:

Are you on Windows 10? I bet you are.


where can i collect my winnings? ;)

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Re: [Lazarus] FPC Pestering Peacock (3.0.0) release

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On 11/25/2015 05:36 PM, Anthony Walter wrote:

Sweeet! For Linux users here is a complete FPC 3.0 release + Lazarus from svn
build script:

http://cache.getlazarus.org/download/linux/install-3.0.sh


without looking...

1. does this install to the system default or does it install to a user's home 
directory?


2. are there any prerequisites (like an existing system or user installation) 
necessary?


3. will this work with an existing fpcup installation? (my existing fpcup 
installation is broken and i've not had time to figure it all out again which 
generally results in blowing it all away and pulling it fresh all over again)


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Re: [Lazarus] Please test this page

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On 11/18/2015 05:28 AM, Anthony Walter wrote:

You are viewing the page directly, bypassing the iframes. The correct page is:

http://docs.getlazarus.org/#rtl+index-8

The issue is you either right clicked a link and said open in new window, you
typed the wrong url in the browser, or you followed a link someone posted which
bypasses the iframe.


FWIW: the protections i use explicitly block/filter iframes... iframes are 
really bad juju as they can easily lead to infestations with no clue as to their 
origination...


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Re: [Lazarus] Getcurrentdir in Linux Mint

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On 11/08/2015 06:55 AM, fred wrote:

begin
   repertoire := ExtractFileDir(Application.ExeName);
end ;


that will get you the application's directory which may not be the user's 
current directory...


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Re: [Lazarus] is scrypt available?

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On 10/28/2015 06:33 AM, taazz wrote:

On 27/10/2015 16:18 μμ, wkitt...@windstream.net wrote:

On 10/26/2015 11:59 PM, taazz wrote:

On 26/10/2015 22:56 μμ, wkitt...@windstream.net wrote:

On 10/26/2015 03:31 PM, mic...@gmail.com wrote:

Am Monday 26 October 2015 20:13:49 schrieb wkitt...@windstream.net:

scrypt


http://www.wolfgang-ehrhardt.de/crchash_en.html


the license on that one is too restrictive :(


What is so restrictive about zlib?


where do you see anything about zlib?


in the page linked first paragraph/line from the top


ahh... but the problem is [keep reading]


[quote]
Here you find a few Pascal / Delphi source and binary files related to CRC,
hash, and HMAC calculations. All files can be used and distributed under this
license , the original


the above link is the license URL... the stuff about patents is off putting to 
say the least...



template of the zlib/libpng license can be found here: zlib-license
.
[/quote]


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Re: [Lazarus] is scrypt available?

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On 10/28/2015 01:00 PM, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:

wkitt...@windstream.net wrote:


the above link is the license URL... the stuff about patents is off putting to
say the least...


Apologies for chopping the bulk of that message, but it's coming over 
unformatted.


no problem... i do take steps to reformat some quotes some times...


The patents issue relating to zlib etc. is way out of date, see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LZW#Patents for a summary.


it isn't those patent issues... there's something else that the license link 
page talks about...



What you choose to use depends on what (if anything) you need to be compatible
with, but for some password stuff I wrote a couple of years ago I used Tiger2
from DCPcrypt.


understood on the compatibility... i was just pointing out that that 
implementation was not right for our needs... maybe there is another 
implementation that will work... if not, reinventing the wheel will be necessary...


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Re: [Lazarus] is scrypt available?

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On 10/28/2015 03:32 PM, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:

wkitt...@windstream.net wrote:

On 10/28/2015 01:00 PM, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:

wkitt...@windstream.net wrote:


the above link is the license URL... the stuff about patents is off putting to
say the least...


Apologies for chopping the bulk of that message, but it's coming over
unformatted.


no problem... i do take steps to reformat some quotes some times...


The patents issue relating to zlib etc. is way out of date, see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LZW#Patents for a summary.


it isn't those patent issues... there's something else that the license link
page talks about...


Go on...


crypto patents or something, i guess... it says that if there are any patents in 
the software that the code cannot be used... click the link and read it and 
you'll see it, too...



The Unisys and BT patents are the ones that have given most people problems,
which is why I cited that page.


yeah... AFAIK, zip or zlib stuff isn't used in this... or is it?

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Re: [Lazarus] is scrypt available?

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On 10/26/2015 11:59 PM, taazz wrote:

On 26/10/2015 22:56 μμ, wkitt...@windstream.net wrote:

On 10/26/2015 03:31 PM, mic...@gmail.com wrote:

Am Monday 26 October 2015 20:13:49 schrieb wkitt...@windstream.net:

scrypt


http://www.wolfgang-ehrhardt.de/crchash_en.html


the license on that one is too restrictive :(


What is so restrictive about zlib?


where do you see anything about zlib?

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Re: [Lazarus] is scrypt available?

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On 10/26/2015 03:31 PM, mic...@gmail.com wrote:

Am Monday 26 October 2015 20:13:49 schrieb wkitt...@windstream.net:

scrypt


http://www.wolfgang-ehrhardt.de/crchash_en.html


the license on that one is too restrictive :(

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[Lazarus] is scrypt available?

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i've found scrypt for delphi but desire to use it cross-platform and don't know 
enough about removing stuff for windows... is there an scrypt available for FPC 
or lazarus that is easily implemented and used?



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Re: [Lazarus] annoying *SPAM* (attn: Michael Schnell)

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On 10/23/2015 04:15 PM, Martin Frb wrote:

On 23/10/2015 19:34, Dmitry Boyarintsev wrote:


That's why I'm asking the participant to adjust his email client, rather than
doing anything on my end.



Well my email client does sort them correct.


+1


Yet I find it (personal opinion) annoying to have a SPAM keyword in those mails.


+1

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Re: [Lazarus] What does make install do?

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On 10/18/2015 04:40 AM, Bo Berglund wrote:

Then I examined what had happened and I found that the install script
had copied a number of files including lazarus executables to
/usr/local/share/lazarus and the symlinks in /usr/local/bin were
pointing to these executables effectively decoupling the lazarus
installation in the /home/pi tree from use!
The copied executables amounted to 318 MB so that is the cause for the
pauses during the script execution...

To fix this so the lazarus located in the pi home would still be used
I changed the symlinks back to point there by running these commands
from within /usr/local/bin:


the problem here is that now you've broken the install for other users since 
they do not have access to your home directory... remember that a default 
install needs to be usable by all users... a private install is only for the one 
user... you should create a new private link for your menus that points to your 
private installation...


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Re: [Lazarus] Theoretical question about future of Lazarus

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On 10/13/2015 03:39 AM, Juha Manninen wrote:

One hour is accurate enough. My Beebox does "make bigide" in about 4
minutes. I wrote about it in forum (thread "dead computer") and hoped
somebody would measure the time in a really fast machine. How fast are they
nowadays?


what do you call "really fast"?? i might be able to try this on my 8-core 4Ghz 
box... i'm not sure because the current installation was done with fpcup and i'm 
not sure of its status so that i can update this installation further... the 
only other thing is that i don't use bigide at this time... it was too confusing 
for me while trying to learn the interface... so i started off with the basics 
and then added packages as i needed...



I build and run Lazarus in the local SVN repo directory as a normal user.


i do the same here as well as on my sole remaining winwhatever box which is 
scripted for updated using a .bat file i wrote before fpcup came on the scene...


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Re: [Lazarus] Theoretical question about future of Lazarus

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On 10/13/2015 09:51 AM, Juha Manninen wrote:

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 3:43 PM,  <wkitt...@windstream.net> wrote:

what do you call "really fast"??


The fastest PC available today.


i might be able to try this on my 8-core 4Ghz box...


Yes please!


let me see what i can do...

[time passes]

i get as far as this...

/bin/rm -f fpcmade.x86_64-linux Package.fpc ./ppas.sh script.res link.res
/bin/rm -f *.s *_ppas.sh
make[1]: Leaving directory 
`/home/wkitty42/development/lazarus/components/chmhelp/lhelp'

make -C packager/registration
make[1]: Entering directory 
`/home/wkitty42/development/lazarus/packager/registration'

/bin/rm -f ../units/x86_64-linux/fcllaz.ppu
/home/wkitty42/development/fpc/bin/x86_64-linux/ppcx64 -MObjFPC -Scghi -O1 -g 
-gl -l -vewnhibq -Fu. -FE. -FU../units/x86_64-linux -Cg -dx86_64 fcllaz.pas

Free Pascal Compiler version 3.1.1 [2015/06/13] for x86_64
Copyright (c) 1993-2015 by Florian Klaempfl and others
(1002) Target OS: Linux for x86-64
(3104) Compiling fcllaz.pas
Fatal: (10022) Can't find unit system used by fcllaz
Fatal: (1018) Compilation aborted
make[1]: *** [fcllaz.ppu] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory 
`/home/wkitty42/development/lazarus/packager/registration'

make: *** [registration] Error 2

real0m4.228s
user0m0.819s
sys 0m1.352s


i don't know why... everything is in a tree under ~/development where fpcup 
placed it... i've never installed fpc or lazarus using anything other than fpcup 
and bootstrapping it from the raw... there is 
~/development/fcpbootstrap/x86_64-linux-ppcx64 which turns out to be fpc 2.6.2 
but i don't know how to tell your "time make clean bigide" to use it :(



the only other thing is that i don't use bigide at this time...
it was too confusing for me while trying to learn the interface...


Bigide is used for Lazarus release versions. Why is it confusing?


way too many options to drag and drop on a form... i do not come from delphi or 
any other gui coding environment so i don't know anything about them... trying 
to find one being looked for was like hunting a needle in a haystack...


the last time i used any sort of RAD it was for relatively small programs in 
Foxbase or dBase III and IV... there was a RAD template system thing that we 
used... once we got the forms laid out the way we wanted and generated the basic 
code to access, edit and delete the data, we then rewrote the majority of the 
code so much adding to and refining the existing code that we could not use the 
template thing any more to adjust the forms... from then on, it was like we had 
never used a RAD at all...


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Re: [Lazarus] Built Lazarus on RPi2, warning on every project build

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On 10/10/2015 03:13 PM, Bo Berglund wrote:

I have successfully compiled and installed fpc and lazarus from trunk
sources retrieved by svn on a Raspberry Pi2 unit.
Versions are 3.1.1 and 1.5 respectively
I can run Lazarus in the RPi2 and simple programs that I have tested
work as expected.
But nevertheless on every single compile there are two warnings shown:

Warning: "crtbegin.o" not found, this will probably cause a linking
failure
Warning: "crtend.o" not found, this will probably cause a linking
failure

Why does this happen? And what can be done about it?


i cannot help with the problem but i wanted to point out that those two are "C 
Run Time" and not "CRT" items... many mistake those types of names as CRT 
related and go looking in that direction instead of in the "C" direction...


a possible help is that you have to tell the system where to find the C runtime 
developer's library code... i don't know how this is done but the topic has been 
spoken of numerous times in either the FPC or Lazarus lists... i'm sure that 
others will have the real info if they haven't answered you already...


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Re: [Lazarus] High-DPI aware LCL ?

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On 10/07/2015 06:24 AM, Mattias Gaertner wrote:

On Wed, 7 Oct 2015 12:52:53 +0300
Juha Manninen  wrote:


[...]
Who would step in and implement SVG support. I believe Sandro would
join if there are other people involved.


There are currently about 400 icons in the IDE.
We need volunteers to create them either as SVG or as higher resolution
image.


is there not a conversion tool that can convert them from what they are now 
(raster??) to SVG format?


a quick look shows there's various ways but it seems that many simply embed the 
original image within the SVG output... the good ones that work seem to be 
manual (eg: inkscape, adobe illustrator)...


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Re: [Lazarus] Graeme would love this, or not, I think

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On Monday, October 14, 2013 2:27 PM, Marco van de Voort mar...@stack.nl 
wrote: 
 On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 05:14:14PM -0400, Dmitry Boyarintsev wrote: 
   Anyway, the whole post was meant more or less as an argument that a good 
   educational tool should 1) be quick to start using (so not TP) 2) not 
   contain parts that are not part of the course and detract too much. 
   
   How come TP (turbo pascal?!) is not a quick start tool? (despite the fact 
  the old dos application will have problems running or a modern os). 
  
 Because you first need to teach people dos (and 8.3), console cmdline and 
 general concepts (stdin/stdout, working dir etc) 

really? i just put an icon on the desktop that opens TP directly or it opens a 
console window in the necessary directory and they take it from there... this 
on winwhatever and OS/2... other things like timeslicing came later and were 
advanced techniques to work on...
 
 They stuck with it a long time (mostly for the lack of better), but in the 
 end 
 gave up. 

sadly this is understandable... too many give up too soon, these days, because 
they don't get instant gratification... kinda like the schools giving out those 
bumper stickers saying proud parent of a high school student vs the original 
proud parent of an honor roll student and similar... it is well known that 
constant (and many times undeserved) ego boosting results in less achievement 
and lower quality results... this is even seen in such things as simple 
exercising at the gym where trainers drive and praise you but your results take 
longer and longer to achieve...



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Re: [Lazarus] Graeme would love this, or not, I think

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On Saturday, October 12, 2013 7:36 AM, Marco van de Voort mar...@stack.nl 
wrote: 
 On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 05:28:33PM -0400, Dmitry Boyarintsev wrote: 
  Another proof, that pascal is the language that makes sense. 
  
 One could argue about language, but Delphi as RAD-IDE is definitely not a 
 good 
 choice. Students tend to overfocus on embellishing forms etc, and not 
 spending 
 their time on the more problem-solving oriented assignment. 
  
 Probably because dolling up the UI is easier and gives 
 instant-gratification. 

we've been seeing this for what? 20 years, now? even m$ operates in the mind 
set of a pretty interface trumps (unseen) sickness and disease al la yeah, 
i'd hit that unless someone tells me it has an STD... even then, i still might 
hit it al la we've redone the GUI to make it prettier but the seedy 
underworld of skiddies and hackers can still get in thru the same holes they've 
been using for the last decade :lol: :angel_horns:



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Re: [Lazarus] Ubuntu Server x Xfce x Lazarus

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On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 3:42 PM, Junior lazarus.li...@gmail.com wrote: 
 hello all 
  
 To work, which is necessary? 
  
 I am finding my current system too slow (Ubuntu 12.04.3 - Unity - 32bits 
 - 2 gb ram) 

with those given specs, you have much more than i have... what CPU are you 
using and what other services are you running?



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Re: [Lazarus] Why development remains constant for msdos?

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On Sunday, September 22, 2013 7:46 AM, Junior lazarus.li...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Is there a human being who uses msdos yet? 

yes, there are still quitet many DOS systems out there... there's even freeDOS 
and similar FOSS(?) DOS projects... some of them are even 32bit and can use all 
available memory like other OSes of today ;)



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Re: [Lazarus] VirtualTreeView, Absoluteindex example on freepascal.org

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On Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:36 AM, Jürgen Hestermann 
juergen.hesterm...@gmx.de wrote: 
I didn't look at the code, but usually  index = -1 means that the item 
was not found. So maybe  AbsoluteIndex's result should actually be 
signed? 
  
 And how would it ever reach the value -1? 

it starts off there? i regularly set the result value to -1 before running thru 
a routine... if there is success, the result value is set to a good value 
otherwise it retains its -1 value...

 Obviously there is no code that sets it to this value, 
 otherwise it would not compile with Cardinal type.

that is something else altogether ;)

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