Re: [Ldsoss] Wards and Stakes
Hi Jesse, I can't speak for the Church as a whole, but I know that in the Netherlands the Church would have to get permission of each individual (bishop, stake president, etceteras) involved to post any information about name and telephone number on a publicly accessible website because of local privacy laws. Note that whenever I moved I just asked my local bishop which ward/stake I would be in and I would request the phone number from them. And I never had a problem getting it. Manfred From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Welch Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:48 PM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Wards and Stakes Jesse Stay wrote: I am curious, though, the reasoning for protecting just the names of the Wards and Stakes? Is anyone aware of why this would be protected outside of personal use? I understand personal data, but I would think allowing publication of Ward and Stakes, and even locations would be beneficial in spreading the word even further on where your local LDS congregation meets. Is there a file anywhere I can get this from without violating the Church's EULA through scraping Mormon.org? My only other option is to have users type in their Wards and Stakes, which bring in chances for inaccuracies. It is very difficult to anticipate all of the types of data and uses that people can think of when wanting to use data generated by the Church. I don't know if the Church would have a problem using the ward and stake names data but I would recommend that you contact the membership department to find out. Tom _ NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Automatic Update in Java
Hi Jay, You can actually put the application on a CD and bootstrap from there. and then for subsequent updates use the normal Java Web Start features. See http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/technotes/tools/share/javaws.html for command line options to web start that allow you to import an application in the cache from a CD. Which you can then use to start. If you need more guidance, don't hesitate to drop me an email. Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ Founding Java Champion -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Askren Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 9:09 AM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Automatic Update in Java I am planning on using Java Web Start as one way to distribute the app. I still need an update solution outside of that though as I would like to be able to distribute cd's in addition to providing a link. I don't believe I can use Java Web Start from a cd. On 9/4/07, Slide [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/4/07, Jay Askren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm working on an open source project in which I want to make updating the application very easy. For instance Firefox automatically updates itself when there is an update. MLS from the church does the same thing. I want to do this with my own Java application. Does anyone know of an open source, or at least inexpensive way to do this? Of course, I could make it a web app, and it would be a non issue, but this app is more appropriately a desktop app. Jay Java WebStart seems to be the method of choice from my googling. I am not sure how well it fits your application constraints, but it may be worth looking into. slide ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Re: HT and VT Tool
Hi Tom, Having dealt with an issue in the past concerning the Membership record I can say that really depends on the country of residence. At the time I was in Holland and there an individual can request access to any record pertaining to them or minors in their care. The law there even goes as far as allowing access to the other spouse record if the individual is mentioned on it. Note that I say ACCESS, so handing out is not really the issue. How it is here I do not know. I guess it comes down to the privacy policy the church has in place for each country ;) Manfred _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Haws Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 12:09 PM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Re: HT and VT Tool I have heard it called confidential, but for the life of me I can't fathom why. Maybe like the Social Security number, some people are just touchy about such things. On that subject, I recently got a message on MLS pointing out that the Individual Ordinance Summary is for handing out to a member, but the Membership record is NOT. But again, for the life of me, I haven't yet discerned any difference between them. And I certainly can't figure out any moral justification for keeping information on people that they aren't permitted to access. Does anybody have any insight on this? Tom On 5/22/07, Slide [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/22/07, Bill Pringle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The CSV files from MLS also contain the membership IDs, which is a permanent identification. That is what you can use and never change. The internal ID value seems fairly stable, but I only use it to match up the HT/VT and Organization records with the Membership records. I have defined an auxiliary file that I use for my program. This file contains the membership ID along with any other information I want to keep (like cell phones and e-mail for each member) By comparing the auxiliary file with the import, I can tell who is new and who is no longer on the records. Isn't the MRN confidential information though? That is why I wasn't storing it or using it. slide ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476 Have a beautiful day. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Re: HT and VT Tool
Hence the reason to not use the MRN ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Willden Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 2:45 PM To: ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Re: HT and VT Tool On Tuesday 22 May 2007 02:09:22 pm Stacey wrote: Well, for example, with someone's MRN (and confirmation date) you sign up for an account on the ward/stake web site or buy garments/temple clothing off ldscatalog.com as a non-member. And the confirmation date is fairly guessable for most members born in the covenant to active families. Not sure how much it matters, though. Shawn. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Re: HT and VT Tool
Hahahhaha ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Murdock Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 3:15 PM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Re: HT and VT Tool On 5/18/07, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might want to consider using Java ... As far as I heard a lot of Java is going on at the Church ;) Nah, stick with Python. The Church developers will someday see the light. ;-) Bryan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Re: HT and VT Tool
You might want to consider using Java ... As far as I heard a lot of Java is going on at the Church ;) Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ Founding Java Champion https://java-champions.dev.java.net/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slide Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 12:10 AM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Re: HT and VT Tool On 5/18/07, Sean M. Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Benjamin, I've actually, for the past couple of months, been working on something similar to this. I too have been working on something like this :-) Great minds think alike. Personally, for me as Ward Clerk, I find it hard to keep up with the many baptisms, Priesthood advancements, etc (we have a very large ward with an average of 3 new families moving in per week) we have going on. I've been developing a set of Python scripts to import data from the exports into a local database. Then, I have a cron job that every Sunday night sends out an email with upcoming baptisms for the next month as well as Priesthood advancements for the next Sunday (or for two Sundays ahead). The reporting is currently based on a plug-in architecture, where the report information is stored in the database per leader (e.g., the Bishop can receive just the new people who's records arrived, the Executive Secretary can get just the baptisms and Priesthood Advancements, etc). Its all still in a very alpha stage, but I'd like to hear ideas that other people have. I was planning on possibly adding a web frontend using Pylons. I'd like to see something like be able to run on the computer in the Church building, but I don't think that will happen any time soon :-) Open sourcing MLS would make stuff like this really easy, I certainly hope it will happen some day. slide ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] PHP remote development environment
Install LAMP locally and then use rsync to push your changes ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Haws Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:33 PM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: [Ldsoss] PHP remote development environment I need to get more serious about my PHP (LAMP) development. I have been developing remotely for my web sites (including the Care For Life charity) via the CPanel web editor using the Mozex Firefox extension to send textarea to my local Windows editor. The debug/test cycle is agonizing and dangerous. I think I probably inadvertently closed a browser tab the other day and lost plenty of effort. So, I wonder if this group has wisdom regarding the direction for me to go? Here are some possibilities I have considered: 1. Use vi in the Linux shell. Do I have to? My dad is pushing me that way, but he says it takes months to learn vi right. 2. Install a local development environment. I don't know what this would involve, but I like to be able to access my development environment from anywhere. 3. Some other (???) linux shell editor or environment. Thanks beforehand for your help. -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476 Have a beautiful day. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] LDS Tech Talks
Too bad it conflicts with the local UJUG meeting. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard K Miller Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:10 PM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: [Ldsoss] LDS Tech Talks Joel Dehlin, the Church's CIO, just announced times and locations for the Tech Talks he announced a few weeks ago: Salt Lake City January 18th, 6:30pm Joseph Smith Memorial Building, 10th Floor Provo January 23rd, 6:30pm BYU 8th Stake Center (1021 South 500 West) The first round of tech talks will focus on: Communications (Satellite, IP telephony, wireless and building connectivity) Software development at the Church Infrastructure and data center issues Interaction Design For more info: http://www.ldscio.org/2007/01/02/tech-talks/ Richard ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Copyright Query
Why not order them and ship them to his military address? Manfred Riem[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.manorrock.org/Founding Java Champion From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy-Allen AlbertsonSent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:14 AMTo: Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.orgSubject: [Ldsoss] Copyright Query I am wondering if anyone here knows whether the following would be permissible and not a copyright violation? Our Ward has a Borther serving in the sandbox (iraq). He is desirous of getting CDs of Church Music as he is having an awful bad time with the language and "pin-ups" of his comrades. Would there be any copyright/intellectual property issue with downloading and burning CDs from the Church Music Website? Thanks, Tim Albertson ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a Respect Copyrights activity badge
Hi there, While it is interesting to debate this I don't think this forum was meant for this. If we are talking about furthering Open Source among LDS developers I think we need to respect the charter of this mailinglist. So please take this offlist and discuss this somewhere else. Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ Founding Java Champion -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Willden Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 7:09 AM To: ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a Respect Copyrights activity badge On Tuesday 24 October 2006 05:38, Steven McCown wrote: Even if you think that it *should* be okay to illegally download music and videos, at the moment it is not. At this moment it's also illegal to watch legally-purchased DVDs on Linux. Or to rip them and store them on a MythTV video jukebox for more convenient watching (and so that your two year-old doesn't destroy them). For that matter, by the letter of the law it's arguably illegal to convert your CDs to MP3s for listening on your iPod. This subject needs a more nuanced treatment than simply obey the law. Laws can be and often are wrong. There are many examples throughout history of laws that were horribly immoral. The requirement that laws be obeyed implicitly assumes that the laws are righteous -- it's just another example of the principle of righteous dominion. We are commanded by the Lord to follow the guidance of the leaders placed over us (fathers, husbands, bishops, etc.), but their right to command is contingent upon their righteousness. Unrighteous commands need not, and *should* not be obeyed. In this case, I think it's clear that downloading music and movies rather than paying for them is wrong, but I think the media cartels are also doing evil -- arguably the greater evil. And I think the biggest problem with this notion of an anti-piracy patch for boy scouts is that its requirements are entirely one-sided. I would have no objection to an official BSA badge of some sort that required the scout to understand both sides of copyright law. It should cover not only the exclusive rights granted to the holder, but also the exemptions built into the system (Fair Use, doctrine of first sale, etc.), and, further, the rationale and social contract underylying the notion of copyright. Such a badge would help them obtain respect for copyright law and what it's supposed to do, which would deter piracy, and would equip them to discuss whether or not current law actually fulfills those goals. That would be of value to scouts. As presently defined, the patch is of negative value. It's propaganda, not education. Shawn. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Home and Visiting Teaching Tool
Hi Steve, You are right on the observations. But for a new bishopric any information is nice to have. Getting that information from the old bishopric is not always the way to go. People see things differently depending on their situation. And your worries about it being documented for all time could easily be fixed, expired the data after x years. Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ Founding Java Champion -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven H. McCown Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 8:08 AM To: 'LDS Open Source Software' Subject: RE: [Ldsoss] Home and Visiting Teaching Tool With this thread, there seems to be the underlying assumption that the 30% of companionships who actually do their hometeaching will actually take the extra time to write up thoughtful and useful information, monthly. There are those who will enjoy and use this type of system, however, I would postulate that those same individuals are also taking the time (currently) to talk with their EQ Presidency. IOW, who will really benefit from the widespread use of this system? Hometeaching is one of many people problems, which won't always have a technological solution. Steve P.S. Even if the system was widely used, how many would like their families' status, weaknesses, problems, etc. to be documented [on the web] for all time? Kind of makes repentance (i.e., change) more difficult, doesn't it? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of A. Rick Anderson Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 10:33 AM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Home and Visiting Teaching Tool Tom Welch wrote: the other concern I have is does this program encourage (indirectly) EQ presidencies and HP group leaders to not talk with their companionships about how the family is doing, instead relying on what is typed in the comments field? Even if the program lead to this results, I'd suggest that that would be more information then the vast majority of leaders are getting today and the comments could actually serve as a spring board to know identify folks for quorum leaders to follow up on personally. Yes, the handbook asks that every HT companionship be interviewed monthly, but that is a directive that is far more honored in the breach, then in the compliance. -- A. Rick Anderson ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Software for people who can't use MLS?
As I said before, the ward I attended in Holland used an Excel spreadsheet for tithing ;). It should be fairly easy for your brother to do this in Excel. Week 1 Week 2 Week 3 Name 1 xxx Name 2 That's take care of all the needs ;) And you can totalize the rows and columns for a check. Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ Original Message Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Software for people who can't use MLS?From: Slide [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Fri, September 08, 2006 9:08 amTo: "LDS Open Source Software" ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.orgI'm going from second hand information from my brother, from what Iunderstand they don't even have a computer and their clerk/branchpresident/everything office is the size of a broom closet, which makesit hard to have one. Some branches outside the US are still usingpaper and pen to do their membership and financial tracking, which canbe burdensome and increase the time needed to administer the branchrather than minister TO the branch. As many little quirks as MLS mayhave that we discuss on this list, some people don't even have MLS touse to support their branch. I was hoping someone on the list mighthave gone through that and come up with a good solution.On 9/8/06, Jay Askren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would think the church would have something worked out. Why doesn't he just call church headquarters and see what everyone else is using? I thought other countries were using the old MIS and FIS. Jay On 9/6/06, Slide [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any software packages anyone could recommend for a branch that can't use MLS? My brother lives in Israel and was recently called to the Branch Presidency. They can't use MLS and would like some way of tracking tithing and other financials to make it easier to generate reports, etc for Tithing Settlement. He will most likely be running on Windows. Thanks, Alex ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss___Ldsoss mailing listLdsoss@lists.ldsoss.orghttp://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
[Ldsoss] PAF4J using a NetBeans framework
Hi all, To make it easier for people to plug into the port of PAF to Java I have decided to make use of an application framework. This is the first version of PAF using the NetBeans platform. If you feel like trying it out, go to http://www.manorrock.com/products/paf/. And click on Webstart It. Note you will need a working PAF5 file. To help you out in using it, please read the following: 1. Goto your menu bar and do Window | Favorites. 2. Make sure your PAF5 file is in a directory that shows up for this view. For Windows users if you have it somewhere in your My Documents directory you should be able to find it. 3. Find your PAF file. 4. Right click on the PAF file. 5. Click on PAF5OpenAction. 6. View the PAF5IndividualView Window on the right. I know this is all a bit crude, but I wanted to show that the new design works nicely within the NetBeans framework. If you want to help out please let me know. If there is enough interest I can put these sources online so we can all contribute. Note because this is a development release I haven't signed it with a proper certificate. So you will get that warning message! Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] AntiAlias Java
If you use a system property it will use if it supports it
and it will ignore it when it doesn't support it.
For anti-aliasing it would be:
-Dswing.aatext=true
Programmaticaly you could do (before any GUI is
initialized):
System.setProperty("swing.aatext",
"true");
Kind regards,Manfred Riem
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http://www.manorrock.org/
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay
AskrenSent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:59 AMTo: LDS Open
Source SoftwareSubject: Re: [Ldsoss] AntiAlias
Java
I tried your code on version of 1.5_04 of java and it didn't work.
SwingUtilities2 is not mentioned in the javadocs for Java 1.5, so I looked at
the code for SwingUtilities2 source code, and it appears that SwingUtilities2 is
not stable, and the the comments said to not rely on the class.
I did find the following links:
http://www.javalobby.org/forums/thread.jspa?forumID=61threadID=14179
http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=700404messageID=4064797
So it looks like at least for now using the RenderingHints might be a bit
more robust though I haven't tried it. It should work with Java 1.4.
On 8/24/06, Tom Welch
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Many java applications if using
swing tend to have really ugly UI's. The fonts look terrible. I
wrote some code that can make them look a whole lot better. This code
requires jre 1.5. Simply put this method into some type of utilities
class and then call it whenever you want to make a component
anti-aliased. It will find all child components and anti-alias them as
well. You typically just call this method from each form or dialog
and all components on the form will get fixed. I've tested this under
both Windows and Linux and it works well. Disclaimer: I'm
not a long time java developer so if you see obvious problems or could offer
suggestions, please do so.public static void
AntiAliasComponent(JComponent j)
{ j.putClientProperty
(com.sun.java.swing.SwingUtilities2.AA_TEXT_PROPERTY_KEY,Boolean.TRUE);
int y =
j.getComponentCount(); for (int
x=0;xy;x++)
{
java.awt.Component comp = j.getComponent(x);
if
(comp instanceof JComponent)
{
AntiAliasComponent((JComponent)comp);
} //
Additional checks for certain types of controls. These require special
handling
if
(comp instanceof JList)
{
JList jl =
(JList)comp;
DefaultListCellRenderer
d=(DefaultListCellRenderer)jl.getCellRenderer();
d.putClientProperty(com.sun.java.swing.SwingUtilities2.AA_TEXT_PROPERTY_KEY
,Boolean.TRUE);
} else
if (comp instanceof JComboBox)
{
JComboBox cb =
(JComboBox)comp;
BasicComboBoxRenderer d=(BasicComboBoxRenderer)cb.getRenderer();
d.putClientProperty(com.sun.java.swing.SwingUtilities2.AA_TEXT_PROPERTY_KEY,
Boolean.TRUE);
} else
if (comp instanceof JTable)
{
JTable tab = (JTable)comp;
DefaultTableCellRenderer
d;
d =
(DefaultTableCellRenderer)tab.getDefaultRenderer(JLabel.class);
d.putClientProperty(com.sun.java.swing.SwingUtilities2.AA_TEXT_PROPERTY_KEY ,
Boolean.TRUE);
// Do the
headers
d =
(DefaultTableCellRenderer)tab.getTableHeader().getDefaultRenderer();
d.putClientProperty(com.sun.java.swing.SwingUtilities2.AA_TEXT_PROPERTY_KEY ,
Boolean.TRUE);
} }
}Here is a sibling function to anti-alias the menus of a
form. Simply call this for your main menu bar and it will fix all
sub-menus.public static void AntiAliasMenu(JMenuBar j)
{ int a =
j.getMenuCount(); for (int
b=0;ba;b++)
{ int
x=j.getMenu(b).getItemCount();
j.getMenu(b).putClientProperty(com.sun.java.swing.SwingUtilities2.AA_TEXT_PROPERTY_KEY
,Boolean.TRUE);
for (int y=0;yx;y++)
{
JMenuItem jmi =
j.getMenu(b).getItem(y);
if (jmi!=null)
iii.putClientProperty(com.sun.java.swing.SwingUtilities2.AA_TEXT_PROPERTY_KEY
,
Boolean.TRUE);
} }
}Enjoy.Tom
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RE: [Ldsoss] PAF4J and JPA
Hi there, See http://www.manorrock.com/products/paf/ The Webstart application is currently linked there, anda link to the web application will appear there later today. Kind regards,Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom WelchSent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 7:10 AMTo: LDS Open Source SoftwareSubject: Re: [Ldsoss] PAF4J and JPA I'd be interested!TomManfred Riem wrote: Hi there, Is anyone interested in seeing a work-in-progress concerning porting PAF to Java? Note I have two crude demos: 1. a Webstart application that allows you to see data in your PAF file. 2. a Web application (using JPA) that allows you to see your PAF file running on a JavaEE application server. Let me know, either here or offline. Kind regards,Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss -- Tom Welch[EMAIL PROTECTED](801) 240-1609(858) 829-4614 - Cell --
RE: [Ldsoss] PAF File Format
Negotiate a license with the Church. Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay AskrenSent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 6:51 AMTo: ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.orgSubject: [Ldsoss] PAF File Format Does anyone know how one would get a hold of the PAF file format? There are several programs which work with it so it must be available some how. Jay ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Family and Church History Department Job Opportunities
Interesting, But can you elaborate on pay, 401k and so on? Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brent PackerSent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 10:21 AMTo: ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.orgSubject: [Ldsoss] Family and Church History Department Job Opportunities Hi, I'm a recruiter in the Family History Department for the LDS Church. I'm trying to connect with technology professionals regarding the positions we're trying to fill in our department. We have several key positions that we're trying to fill right now. For example we are looking for some strong Oracle DBA's and Java Developers. I'm attaching a brief list describing some of the positions we're trying to fill. If you are aware of anyone interested in looking at these opportunities I'd love to talk to them. Thanks for any assistance you may be able to provide. Brent PackerFamily Church History DepartmentRecruiterP. 801-240-4670E. [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
RE: [Ldsoss] LDS OSS Framework
Either NetBeans or Eclipse maybe? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay AskrenSent: Monday, July 24, 2006 8:43 AMTo: LDS Open Source SoftwareSubject: [Ldsoss] LDS OSS Framework There was quite a bit of talk about the Scouting open source software. The Emergency Preparedness project I'm working on has many of the same issues: http://jay.askren.net/emergency/ For our users, sometimes they may be online other times they may not be. I chose not to create a web application in order to avoid security concerns and to make installation easier. I make use of web services in my app. Currently, I just use the web services to do geocoding so I can add GIS capabilities, but I was thinking about using them for other things as well. It seems that at the heart of both ofthese apps and other potential LDS OSS apps, they do the same thing. They store information about some people in the ward and potentially people not in the ward and allow the users to edit the information. They may have other tools built on top of the basic functionality. It would be nice to build a basic LDS-OSS system that was just a framework that took care of the common concerns of LDS applications, and then plugins could be built to address specific problems. The core system might for instance take care of reading information from MLS, interacting with an embedded database, printing, making installation and updating of the software easy, and who knows what else. Plugins might be added to store domain specific information(Boy Scout stuff versus Emergency Preparedness info, etc...), add GIS capabilities, sync with a database at Church Headquarters using web services, and whatever else would need to be added in the future. That way other apps could take advantage of the various plugins. Does anyone have interest/experience building this kind of plugin based system? What do people think? ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
I hope that you still consider setting it up only available to localhost. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Hanks Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 5:51 PM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking On Wed, 14 Jun 2006, Shane Hathaway wrote: Thomas Haws wrote: This is very intriguing. Can you point to an example we might install and try? I hope someone else knows of an example. Conceptually, it's simple, and I can see the solution from start to finish. But I'm surprised it hasn't been done very often. Maybe we need a proof of concept. There's a Perl module called Net::Server (http://search.cpan.org/~rhandom/Net-Server-0.93/lib/Net/Server.pm) that could be used to easily implment a simple HTTP server for use with something like this. Another such module would be HTTP::Daemon (http://search.cpan.org/~gaas/libwww-perl-5.805/lib/HTTP/Daemon.pm). The installer could be smart enough to ask if this is a desktop/standalone install (and use the Perl module or whatever other lightweight httpd is included with the package) or a server install (in which case it would use the Apache or whatever is running on the server. -- Dan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
Installability and easy updates. And easy synchronizing ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven H. McCown Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:54 PM To: 'LDS Open Source Software' Subject: RE: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking Other thoughts: Whatever language is used for this or any general app needs to consider the end user. The general end user is not a power sys admin, but someone who installs out of the box, uses only the defaults, and never updates. If Perl or Ruby or what ever is used is installed on the user's box, then the Scout app needs to keep those up to date on patches and security fixes. To require the user to update Perl or Python is unreasonable and to not keep it up to date is not responsible. Most users are not perpetually WiFi connected, but still use the Internet at home. Most of the church buildings do not have WiFi. That's why a web app would require 2 sets of record keeping -- for most users. I went to church in SLC and most of the male members had PDAs instead of scriptures in books. It's the opposite in most other places that I've been. We're discussing what *we* (computer scientists, sys admins, etc.) would like. What would the average user like? Steve ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Administrative account difficulties
Hi there, I assume it is a church computer? Just let HQ deal with it ;) Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven H. McCown Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:11 AM To: 'LDS Open Source Software' Subject: RE: [Ldsoss] Administrative account difficulties There are several free 'password recovery' tools available on the Internet. Emergency Boot CD is a very easy tool to use. Here is a link (http://www.petri.co.il/forgot_administrator_password.htm) to a compilation of tools. Time to reset the password is about 2 min (incl boot time). Microsoft MSDN pages used to reference L0phtCrack for password recovery, so they understand this to be a real problem. To avoid any snide remarks, Linux isn't much better in this regard. ;) Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Smith Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 9:30 AM To: ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org Subject: [Ldsoss] Administrative account difficulties I feel like a bit of an idiot with this post, anyhow... I've set up MLS so that the Branch Presidency has access to what they need, and set up my own personal account so I wouldn't need to touch the administrative account except for, well, administrator-level stuff. I did this about a year ago or so, and haven't needed to log in as Administrator for all that time. Now, it looks like I'll be moving out of the area, and will need to turn it over to someone else. Since I haven't logged in as Administrator in so long, I've gone and forgotten the Administrator's password. I've tried everything that I thought it was, to no avail. What are my options now? -Richard Smith ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Let me formally introduce myself...
Hi all, I actually have a partial port of the current PAF to Java, but haven't had much time to work on it. It is able to read and write information to some degree. It has been tested on Windows, Mac OSX and FreeBSD. Unfortunately I can't open up the source since I had to sign a license and so forth. So if the Church can somehow open up that license a bit More we could be well on our way with an Open-Sourced PAF. Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Fry Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 8:26 AM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Let me formally introduce myself... As previously mentioned on this list, I think that PAF would be an excelent piece of software for the Church to open source. It is something that almost everyone needs and that many people use. In my experience most volunteer software development is done by people working on software that they use and care about. That is where much of the motivation comes from. This would make PAF a prime candidate for open source development. Charles -Original Message- From: Tom Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Ldsoss] Let me formally introduce myself... Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:26:52 -0600 To: LDS Open Source Software ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org Reply-To: LDS Open Source Software ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org My name is Tom Welch. I was recently recruited by the Church to define an open source strategy for the Church. What does this mean? Well, for years the Church has been a heavy user of open source technology. Many of the back-end systems are all based upon open source software. In fact, the Church has contributed to certain open source projects with improvements that it has made. Because of sensitivity issues, the Church has asked the individual developers to submit changes upstream in the developers name instead of the Church's name. My role, however, is not to get the Church to use more open source software but is to figure out how we can leverage the OSS community to help build applications that the Church does not have the resources to do. *A little bit about me:* I am the former chief technology officer of Linspire, Inc http://www.linspire.com. (formally known as Lindows). I resigned my post at Linspire to work on this project as I can see the huge benefit that enlisting the LDS development community can provide to the Church and to Church members. I was with Linspire from the very beginning and have watched that company grow and become a success and am still involved with the leadership board of Freespire.org http://www.freespire.org (a completely free version of Linspire that will be available this summer). I am also the author of the original scriptures reader that ran on the Palm and CE devices (EZ Reader). I also wrote the original Franklin Day Planner software (Ascend) that was sold by Franklin Covey for years. I've been around the block for many years and have seen the rise and success of open source software and I am very enthusiastic to be a part of it. As you think of the Church and the work that they do from a technology front, most of the work is done to benefit the Church as a whole. By this I mean that the Church spends almost all of their technology resources in building programs that run the Church (membership records, financial, assets, missionary, family history, temple, etc). Very little technology money is spent benefiting individual members. That is why there are no Duty to God tracking software, scouting software, family preparedness software, ward mission software, etc. There are a lot of members that have written programs to help them in their Church callings but the Church has never really looked at or authorized any of these for use by the Church membership as a whole. My job is to try and change all of this by enlisting the LDS development community. So my first job is to try and build an infrastructure to allow us all to communicate and collaborate on projects. This mailing list (and the ldssoss.org website) is a good starting point but my vision is to take it so much further. In the coming weeks I will share much more of our plans. Please be patient because I have a lot to do to work within the parameters at the Church. *One point of caution, however:* One of the biggest concerns the Church has with endorsing or sponsoring a LDS Developers site is that the content on the site could get out of control. Flame wars, rude behavior, religious debate, or other non-Christlike behavior will not be tolerated by the Church and will get any such endorsed site unendorsed. So it is up to us to show everyone and prove that we can work as a community to build great software that will benefit users and do all of this in a cooperative and Christlike way
RE: [Ldsoss] open source / commuting
Hi Ed, There is no need for an email like this. The main thing is dedication to the Gospel that is needed and some common sense. If you want to head a project and have the time for it go for it. I am already active in another couple of Open Source projects and as such I would love to see someone else to take the lead. Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Ashton Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 7:06 PM To: ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org Subject: [Ldsoss] open source / commuting Why doesn't the church harness the community? I'm sure there are a plethora of people that would like to contribute but don't want to move to salt lake or give up a job that pays better than peanuts. It could be as simple as a church website with forums, this community, a site with current projects or even people working over distance. Does anybody remember The Gunman Chronicles a half-life game, or counter-strike? If my memory serves me right both of those projects and most of the game mods one sees on the internet were/are created by people spread throughout the world working on projects that don't pay anything, but are projects everyone is deeply interested in. just my thoughts. Ed Ashton I'm not afraid! ...but I've already got a good job with people I like, and there's no way I'd commute to SLC :-P ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Let me formally introduce myself...
Hehehehehe, Good one ;) Maybe we should consider something like the Google Summer code camps? Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shane Hathaway Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 7:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Let me formally introduce myself... Jesse Stay wrote: You may want to try the Family History Department. They are also moving in the direction of OSS, and there are a couple teams hiring there. Yep, my group is hiring, and we really need more people who are educated in open source methodology and tools. I feel awfully lonely sometimes! I'd like to work with someone else who's not afraid of functional programming, dynamic languages, portable code, distributed systems, kernel hacking, emacs, vi, and Gentoo. :-) Shane ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
Hi Tom, You can only get that list if all the members agree to have it on there. Each member can elect to be removed from the listing. Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Welch Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 7:29 AM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking If the Church were to host the site, would that alleviate your concerns? Currently you can get a ward listing of all members in the ward, their address and phone numbers from the ward unit website. This would not be much different. Tom Steven H. McCown wrote: I can appreciate all the fervor for a web-based app. However, 1) The church has said no websites. You can't get away with making the this is scouting and that is the church distinction, anymore. 2) It is a legal problem to start posting information about minor children to the Internet. That would have to be decided at Church HQ and not by the local units. They don't even allow information to be posted into Family Search about living people, they just insert a LIVING placeholder. Being involved with security professionally, I would not give my consent. This is a huge pitfall -- despite good intentions -- it would be wise not to fall into it. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Hanks Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 9:04 AM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking On Tue, 6 Jun 2006, Tom Welch wrote: Web-based would be great, but with the church's policy on non-official websites, where does that put the local unit that would want to install and use such a web-based app? -- Dan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss -- Tom Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] (801) 240-1609 (858) 829-4614 - Cell -- NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
Hi there, I think we all know this. The problem is really how the Church wants us to proceed in this. If we want an 'open-source' project to be used within the boundaries the Church has to abide by we need to know those boundaries. I for one know there are a lot of boundaries based on the various countries the Church has a presence in. So to just dismiss it as something we shouldn't be discussing is like sticking your head in the sand. The structure of the security is not being discussed here, but the boundaries. BTW Linus didn't create Redhat it is just one instance of a Linux distro. Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of A. Rick Anderson Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 10:23 AM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking There are fundamentally two architectures. Standalone and online. Any discussion we can have about the merits and demerits of both have been repeated ad-nausea for every application since the birth of the Internet. If we try to boil the ocean on the first pass, the project is doomed from the beginning. Can you image what would have happened if Linus Torvalds had tried to release Red Hat as a replacement to Minux? Get something that works well and that installs well on a local machine. Refactor it so that the business tier, the presentation tier and the model tier are distinct. Drop it on a disconnected appserver and add an additional presentation tier to prove that the refactoring is sufficient. It won't be, so count on additional refactoring. Now you have a functional solution that is worth debating security/privacy/convience issues about taking online. The worst case scenario is, you have a solution that works for you, and that others can install and that will work for them. Pushing security concerns into the application logic itself, is IMHO, absolutely poor design!!! Security and security policies are cross-cutting concerns that should be done declaratively in a security policy manager, or at worst, in the appserver. As a ward member, do you really want to have to log in and validate against every piece of functionality restricted to members on the church website. Ex: Once I log in once, switching to the ward webmaster mode doesn't require a new authentication. Why? Because the authentication is done at the middleware layer, not the individual application layer. -- A. Rick Anderson ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
Hi there, That might work for LDS groups, but I doubt that other faiths want to use that website. Unless it is under the umbrella of BSA. Manfred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Welch Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:43 AM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking Slide wrote: What would be great is if you could also have a plug-in type system for working with the various religious awards as well (Duty to God for LDS) which would then allow other Scouting groups to take advantage of it without tying it to just LDS Scouting. Yes, DTG is on the map to integrate into this program. The thoughts were to create some kind of a web based application so that parents, scout leaders and boys can all work together. -- Tom Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] (801) 240-1609 (858) 829-4614 - Cell -- NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
Good point! ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Hanks Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 9:04 AM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking On Tue, 6 Jun 2006, Tom Welch wrote: could also have a plug-in type system for working with the various religious awards as well (Duty to God for LDS) which would then allow other Scouting groups to take advantage of it without tying it to just LDS Scouting. Yes, DTG is on the map to integrate into this program. The thoughts were to create some kind of a web based application so that parents, scout leaders and boys can all work together. Web-based would be great, but with the church's policy on non-official websites, where does that put the local unit that would want to install and use such a web-based app? -- Dan -- Tom Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] (801) 240-1609 (858) 829-4614 - Cell -- NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
Hi Gary, Actually I think without wanting to start a legal debate about it this would be covered by you as a parent allowing your kids to be entered in the MIS already. Manfred. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Thornock Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:29 AM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking --- Tom Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan Hanks wrote: On Tue, 6 Jun 2006, Tom Welch wrote: could also have a plug-in type system for working with the various religious awards as well (Duty to God for LDS) which would then allow other Scouting groups to take advantage of it without tying it to just LDS Scouting. Yes, DTG is on the map to integrate into this program. The thoughts were to create some kind of a web based application so that parents, scout leaders and boys can all work together. Web-based would be great, but with the church's policy on non-official websites, where does that put the local unit that would want to install and use such a web-based app? -- Dan These are issues that are currently being debated. More soon! Tom I have a couple of other concerns with a web-based app. One, of course, is the privacy and security issue. Do we want to create an application where we (in theory, at least) need to have signed permission forms from all of the parents, because we're putting their kids' information online? Password access controls are all fine and good, but the concern doesn't go away. There's also the issue of portability, by which I mean physical portability, not cross-platform portability. Running TroopMaster in Virtual PC is a bit of a pain, but having it on my Powerbook when I go to meetings with the Scoutmaster, the committee or the parents (regardless of the absence of an internet connection in the meeting) is half the value of using it in the first place. Granted, I could easily install a LAMP app on my Powerbook, too, but should that be necessary? - Gary PGP Key ID: 071B173D Fingerprint: ED30 B048 6833 56B4 28C0 CE52 F12B 884A 071B 173D ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Mapping on lds.org
Failed for me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard K Miller Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 3:29 PM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Fwd: [Ldsoss] Mapping on lds.org Did I mention this is very beta? =) I'd be curious if it even works for you. So far, it has worked on 2 and failed on 1. Begin forwarded message: From: Richard K Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: April 6, 2006 2:01:30 PM MDT To: LDS Open Source Software ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Mapping on lds.org Here's my attempt at it: https://www.moregoodfoundation.org/wardmap/ After entering your LDS.org username and password, it will fetch your ward directory, geocode the addresses, and map it. Your credentials are transmitted entirely over SSL, and are not saved. I'm using Geocoder.us for the geocoding, which works pretty well but isn't perfect -- some of my ward member's houses were in the wrong place. But my BYU ward isn't very interesting anyway, since all the markers are in one tiny clump. Richard --- Richard K. Miller www.richardkmiller.com On Apr 5, 2006, at 4:02 PM, Todd Miner wrote: What I'd really like to see is a mashup of the posted addresses on the ward web site with Google maps. Since I work at the stake level, I'd love to see all the stake members pinpointed on a map with different color pushpins for their ward assignments. I'm sure this is possible, and I have even found websites that will publish my spreadsheet full of addresses via Google maps - but they charge for their services. Sounds like a great open source project. :) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 07:02:39 -0600 From: Ed Ashton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Ldsoss] RE: Welcome to the Ldsoss mailing list (Digest mode) Besides the rudimentary mapping on the lds website using mapquest does anybody know of any other mapping or GIS related projects the Church has embarked on? I'm a membership clerk in our local unit and have found using ESRI's Arcview very helpful for leaders, members and missionaries to know where members live. Not to mention the the plethora of other useful information that a GIS can contain. Crush! Zap! Destroy! Junk e-mail trembles before the might of Windows Live(tm) Mail beta. Windows Live(tm) Mail beta ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: scouting software (Re: Re: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities)
Hi Bryan, I meant it as an example, correct. You migth want to ask the authors of this program how they became ScoutNet certified. Since it is a free program they might be more willing to tell you than the commercial ones. Regards, Manfred. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Murdock Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 5:34 PM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: scouting software (Re: Re: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities) On 2/7/06, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, You mean http://www.scoutsoft.net/? Um, not quite. That is just one example of a ScoutNet certified application (see http://www.scoutsoft.net/sb01001.htm#snet), but I'm curious as to how one becomes ScoutNet certified. Bryan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities
Hi Stacey, If you are asking for permission to distribute software with the endorsement of the church you will have to take it up with Church Headquarters ;) Regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stacey Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 12:26 PM To: ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org Subject: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities Hi Y'all: I just found out about this list and recently joined so let me introduce myself first... My name is Stacey and my family and I live in the great state of Texas just north of Dallas. I have been using open source pretty much since the 80's when I was a student and systems programmer running BSD 4.2 Tahoe on VAX 11/780's. Today, some things have not changed... I still use BSD (Mac OS X) on my personal laptop, Gentoo Linux on my MythTV (Tivo-like) box, and use Linux and FreeBSD for work. So let's just say I have been leveraging open source to make my life easier for a long time. I was happy to hear from a friend (Matt Probst) about this list. I hold callings as Stake and Ward Clerks here in Texas. As part of my assignment I keep our stake and ward web pages up to date. This includes the calendar, leadership directories, etc. I also track the usage and schedule our stake building which is a job in itself given we have four but soon to be five wards using the building, not to mention the stake meetings that are scheduled there. In addition, I create programs to help our stake leaders do their jobs. Our stake is very large in both the number of wards and geography. We have 15 wards (after Sunday this will be 16) and our stake boundaries reaches from North of Dallas up and into Oklahoma. Therefore, I stake does not publish a paper stake calendar nor do we publish a stake directory of any sort. We rely totally on the Stake/Ward web sites that the church has provided for this information. (Needless to say, we have saved a lot of money in printing costs.) If you have used the administrator screen on the stake/ward web site that the Church provides you may notice it lacks some features that would be desired. One such feature is the ability to upload a calendar that has been created, with say, outlook. Every year, when we do our planning, our executive secretary creates the calendar in outlook and then hands me the data to upload to the web site. After using the limited input interface on the Church web site provides I decided to create a better way. I wrote a simply perl script that uploads the data from a CSV file. The script acts as web client and inputs the data into the HTML/HTTP forms. This makes publishing a ward/stake calendar a snap. In addition, at the request of our stake presidency, I created software that allows our stake presidency, bishops, and other leaders to download the calendar data to their computers in iCal, vCal, or CSV formats. This allows them to have the calendar in their palm pilots, etc. The script is set up as a web application (perl CGI). They go to a form that is hosted on a web site. Enter in what month they want, which events (Ward, Stake, Churchwide), and what format they would like (iCal, vCal, CSV). In addition, I require them to enter their LDS.org login information. The script uses their login information to access the Church web site so it knows they have access permission to do so. I also created a similar web application for downloading ward directory information. I don't know how the Church office would feel about this kind of software but would like to share the code with the folks subscribed to this list. Be warned, I am not a perl programmer by trade and do most of my programming in the kernel and system level. Therefore, it could use the talents of a real perl programmer to be cleaned up a bit. However, it works great to make my job as a stake/ward clerk easier. I have read on the archive of this list that the Church office doesn't like the idea of screen scrapers given the risk of folks using, say, the membership data for something like multi-level marketing campaigns (largely an Utah thing, it seems). Therefore, if the Church doesn't like the idea of me distributing software that does this then I will just keep it for myself and my local leaders to benefit from. If they don't care then I will make it available to the members of this list. Please let me know the offical word about such software. Thanks in advance. Best Regards, -stacey. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Re: MLS Bugs and Discussions
Hi Nathan, MLS is not open-source it is the administrative program that is used in several church callings for administrative purposes. Most generally stake/ward clerks, but also other presidencies. Kind regards, Manfred Riem -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nathan Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 5:24 PM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Re: MLS Bugs and Discussions 1. If there is something that you think or know is broken report it, but give a bit more detail describing how you think the problem could be solved. Eg. If you know some functionality is broken write up test script that can be followed to reproduce the problem. 3. If you have programming experience stubbing out a runnable prototype could prove to be helpful. If you don't have programming experience just draw/sketch or describe in detail what you want changed/added. After all a picture says more than a thousand words. I've never used MLS. Is MLS open-source? ~ Nathan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Re: MLS Bugs and Discussions
Hi Nathan, As far as I know there is no open API. No plugin framework either. I would love to see it and I am working on a prototype application and have for some time, but the work is slow since I am doing it in my spare time. For now I have a prototype that uses the underlying NetBeans Platform (why write one when one exists ;). I am in the process of adding PAF support to it. As far as I know you cannot download MLS. And I doubt in its current form you ever will, but who knows. You are called by the Lord to serve in a specific calling that will let you use it, if you are not in such a calling you do not have access to it. When I said writing a test script I assumed that you are in a calling that requires access to it. And writing a GUI test script could be done completely on paper. Prototyping features could be done on paper as well. Sketches and so forth. Or if you want to take it a bit further you can done some UML models ;) Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nathan Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 8:19 PM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Re: MLS Bugs and Discussions Does it have an open API then? Or a plugin framework? I'm just wondering how people are supposed to script test cases or prototype features. Can you download a copy of it without being in a presidency? ~ Nathan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Emergency Preparedness Software
Hi Jay, Can you resend your sources I accidently deleted them when setting up a rule on my mail server. Note I am sending this one to the mailinglist. Kind regards,Manfred Riem From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Manfred RiemSent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:02 PMTo: 'LDS Open Source Software'Subject: RE: [Ldsoss] Emergency Preparedness Software Hi Jay, I have been using Hibernate what's your problem ;) Kind regards,Manfred Riem From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay AskrenSent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:38 PMTo: LDS Open Source SoftwareSubject: [Ldsoss] Emergency Preparedness Software I sent an email the other day about software I'm creating for my ward. I created a little web page so you can get an idea of what it will do and look like: http://jay.askren.net/emergency/ Also, if there are any Java developers out there who have used Hibernate, I would be interested in talking to you. I've been having a little trouble using it. Jay ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Re: MLS Bugs and Discussions
Hi Nathan, I can't speak for the Church, so you'll have to ask the proper person within the Church about it. I can speculate, but I rather not because I don't have access to all information. The only things I know are what you stated yourself already ;) Would I like to see some open source development? You bet! Would I support the church in it? Most certainly. Would it be easy to do for the church? I don't know. Would it be worth it? For me most definitely! For the church? Again I would have to say I don't know. It is easy to say yes, but as with everything it takes resources and I cannot make any determination on what the Church will do unless they tell us. I know that I would like to know how many fellow LDS developers are out there and what we could do to help the Church in any way possible. Wouldn't you? ;) Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nathan Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 8:39 PM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Re: MLS Bugs and Discussions Ah, well that clears things up. Sounds like the only way that app will actually get worked on (in it's current closed-source, closed-access form) is if the church pours some development resources into it. Just out of curiosity, is there a concious reason why the church restricts access to the program and it's source, or is that just a historical byproduct? I mean, it's obvious that the church can't give access to the data these programs use since the data iteself is confidential, but what does it have to gain by restricting access to the program itself? It seems like the church would naturally be a big open-source proponent, as it's not selling its software (as far as I know) anyway. ~ Nathan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Emergency Preparedness Software
Hi Jay, I have been using Hibernate what's your problem ;) Kind regards,Manfred Riem From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay AskrenSent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:38 PMTo: LDS Open Source SoftwareSubject: [Ldsoss] Emergency Preparedness Software I sent an email the other day about software I'm creating for my ward. I created a little web page so you can get an idea of what it will do and look like: http://jay.askren.net/emergency/ Also, if there are any Java developers out there who have used Hibernate, I would be interested in talking to you. I've been having a little trouble using it. Jay ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Re: New here
Hi there, Don't even consider remote access. IF the Church ever permits it they will let you know how to do it. Be patient - the data belongs to the Church and the Church is responsible to keep the data secure. Unauthorized disclosure of PERSONAL data, especially a child's data, COULD cause a great deal of harm to the Church. Actually the data does NOT belong to the Church and that is where the problem comes in. It belongs to all the individuals that make up the Church. Each record that describes personal data of a person belong to that person, that is what makes it such a tricky thing. The person's data is given to the Church to safeguard it according to proper regulations and policies. If the Church fails to do so the Church as a whole will be held liable. Some countries even have their own regulations about it. Before you decide to tinker around with having data on your own computer, Palm, PocketPC or printout be sure you understand the legal obligations you take upon you, because you can be held liable as well. Just a word of caution ;) Kind regards, --- Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
