Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-04-20 Thread David Douthitt

Jorn Eriksen wrote:

Investigatet that a little bit.  Altough it's a good idea it would require
different versions for different OS/*nix variants and as much explanations
as a simple image.  With my limited knowlegde of this type of script, the
saving would be in the "creation" process and not neccecarily on the "user"
end. There I could see a few other issues.  With a "clean" image it could,
and in fact have been on most of my sticks, as simle as "dd
if=image_file.img of=/dev/sda".  I guess it could not be any simpler than
that :-)  Maybe you have some deeper knowlege that can enlighten me more?


I was thinking of having a single script, with files contained in it in 
the shar format, and then unshar the files and copy to disk.  You could 
even - possibly - unshar a file then use it as an executable (such as 
syslinux).


If you used dd, then the disk would have to be at least a particular 
size, and any larger size disk would waste a lot of space.



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RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-04-20 Thread Jorn Eriksen
Hey David,

Investigatet that a little bit.  Altough it's a good idea it would require
different versions for different OS/*nix variants and as much explanations
as a simple image.  With my limited knowlegde of this type of script, the
saving would be in the "creation" process and not neccecarily on the "user"
end. There I could see a few other issues.  With a "clean" image it could,
and in fact have been on most of my sticks, as simle as "dd
if=image_file.img of=/dev/sda".  I guess it could not be any simpler than
that :-)  Maybe you have some deeper knowlege that can enlighten me more?

Best regards
Jørn

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KP Kirchdoerfer wrote:
> We currently have three ideas how to provide an USB image:

Here's another idea for you all:

> 3) a "pendrive-script", which creates a bootable USB stick by using the
ISO
> image and some modifications for USB - nothing to test yet, but maybe
soon.
> (I like to add vfat or ext2 to the image, so the modules will be as easy
> loadable as with the ISO image).

How about a self-contained shar script?

That is, a single text file which contains the binaries and scripting
needed to get it "unravelled" onto a USB stick?


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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-04-13 Thread KP Kirchdoerfer
Hi Jorn;

any success building a new image?

kp


Am Montag, 3. April 2006 20:48 schrieb KP Kirchdoerfer:
> Jorn;
>
> Am Montag, 3. April 2006 20:41 schrieb Jorn Eriksen:
> > KP & All,
> >
> > >>Did you format from  Windows?
> >
> > Nop - Debian Sarge 2.6 kernel with msdos,fat & vfat modules loaded
> >
> > I guess it got to late yesterday.  Looking trough my notes I saw that I
> > forgott to format it with mkfs.vfat
> > mkdir /hd
> > mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /hd
> > touch thisisatestwithreallylongfilenames.txt
> > works fine with my image now.
> > I have also changed the syslinux.cfg entries to /dev/sda1:vfat
> >
> > But, I can not get long file names with lrcfg :-(
>
> What do you test with lrcfg??
>
> I just check on CLI. And real testcase IMHO will be modules.conf with the
> enhancements to load from sda...
>
> > Maybe I just do this to late in the evening.  I'll roll another image
> > tomorrow morning  - hopefully I get all stuff ironed out then.  I guess
> > the reformat will take care of the umbunto issue as well.
>
> Sounds good, will test again :)
>
> kp
>
>
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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-04-05 Thread David Douthitt

KP Kirchdoerfer wrote:

We currently have three ideas how to provide an USB image:


Here's another idea for you all:

3) a "pendrive-script", which creates a bootable USB stick by using the ISO 
image and some modifications for USB - nothing to test yet, but maybe soon. 
(I like to add vfat or ext2 to the image, so the modules will be as easy 
loadable as with the ISO image).


How about a self-contained shar script?

That is, a single text file which contains the binaries and scripting 
needed to get it "unravelled" onto a USB stick?



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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-04-03 Thread KP Kirchdoerfer
Jorn;

Am Montag, 3. April 2006 20:41 schrieb Jorn Eriksen:
> KP & All,
>
> >>Did you format from  Windows?
>
> Nop - Debian Sarge 2.6 kernel with msdos,fat & vfat modules loaded
>
> I guess it got to late yesterday.  Looking trough my notes I saw that I
> forgott to format it with mkfs.vfat
> mkdir /hd
> mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /hd
> touch thisisatestwithreallylongfilenames.txt
> works fine with my image now.
> I have also changed the syslinux.cfg entries to /dev/sda1:vfat
>
> But, I can not get long file names with lrcfg :-(

What do you test with lrcfg??

I just check on CLI. And real testcase IMHO will be modules.conf with the 
enhancements to load from sda...

> Maybe I just do this to late in the evening.  I'll roll another image
> tomorrow morning  - hopefully I get all stuff ironed out then.  I guess the
> reformat will take care of the umbunto issue as well.

Sounds good, will test again :)

kp



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RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-04-03 Thread Jorn Eriksen
KP & All,

>>Did you format from  Windows?
Nop - Debian Sarge 2.6 kernel with msdos,fat & vfat modules loaded

I guess it got to late yesterday.  Looking trough my notes I saw that I
forgott to format it with mkfs.vfat

mkdir /hd
mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /hd
touch thisisatestwithreallylongfilenames.txt
works fine with my image now.
I have also changed the syslinux.cfg entries to /dev/sda1:vfat

But, I can not get long file names with lrcfg :-(

Maybe I just do this to late in the evening.  I'll roll another image
tomorrow morning  - hopefully I get all stuff ironed out then.  I guess the
reformat will take care of the umbunto issue as well.

Best regards
Jørn
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Subject: Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image


Jorn;

Am Sonntag, 2. April 2006 23:27 schrieb Jorn Eriksen:
> KP & All,
>
> >>A default leaf.cfg like in the floppy images would be nice.
> >>Eric pointed to the modules problem (they are truncated in the latest
>
> image).
> I've taken the leaf.cfg from the floppy and converted to the stick image.
>
> I've also tried to create a partition on the stick using partition id b
> (W95 FAT32) as well as adding the vfat module and the ext2 module to the
> INITRD_USB.LRP file.  I can not get it to use full lenght file names in
the
> menues.  Maybe it's a "cant see the forest for all the trees" kind of
> issue..

I've tested your image and it boots fine - as you siad it has no long names.

I think you have to replace "msdos" with  "vfat"  in syslinux.cfg and
leaf.cfg.
You also have to mount /dev/sda1 with -t vfat, once it is booted.

If I'm doing this with my image it does have long filenames

But I had some issues with your image on my WS (ubuntu 5.11):

I can't mount your image  - wrong fstype and syslinux tells me

./syslinux /dev/sda1
/dev/sda1: this doesn't look like a valid FAT filesystem

I have to reformat with mkfs.vfat to make it accessible again to my test
runs.

So I suspect there is a pb with vfat in your image...? Did you format from
Windows?

The files on your image don't have long names; but with the changes above, I
can create long names on your device. So your half way done :)

kp


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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-04-03 Thread KP Kirchdoerfer
Jorn;

Am Sonntag, 2. April 2006 23:27 schrieb Jorn Eriksen:
> KP & All,
>
> >>A default leaf.cfg like in the floppy images would be nice.
> >>Eric pointed to the modules problem (they are truncated in the latest
>
> image).
> I've taken the leaf.cfg from the floppy and converted to the stick image.
>
> I've also tried to create a partition on the stick using partition id b
> (W95 FAT32) as well as adding the vfat module and the ext2 module to the
> INITRD_USB.LRP file.  I can not get it to use full lenght file names in the
> menues.  Maybe it's a "cant see the forest for all the trees" kind of
> issue..

I've tested your image and it boots fine - as you siad it has no long names. 

I think you have to replace "msdos" with  "vfat"  in syslinux.cfg and 
leaf.cfg.
You also have to mount /dev/sda1 with -t vfat, once it is booted.

If I'm doing this with my image it does have long filenames 

But I had some issues with your image on my WS (ubuntu 5.11):

I can't mount your image  - wrong fstype and syslinux tells me

./syslinux /dev/sda1
/dev/sda1: this doesn't look like a valid FAT filesystem

I have to reformat with mkfs.vfat to make it accessible again to my test runs.

So I suspect there is a pb with vfat in your image...? Did you format from 
Windows?

The files on your image don't have long names; but with the changes above, I 
can create long names on your device. So your half way done :)

kp


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RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-04-02 Thread Jorn Eriksen
KP & All,

>>A default leaf.cfg like in the floppy images would be nice.
>>Eric pointed to the modules problem (they are truncated in the latest
image).
I've taken the leaf.cfg from the floppy and converted to the stick image.

I've also tried to create a partition on the stick using partition id b (W95
FAT32) as well as adding the vfat module and the ext2 module to the
INITRD_USB.LRP file.  I can not get it to use full lenght file names in the
menues.  Maybe it's a "cant see the forest for all the trees" kind of
issue..

The new image are uploading as I write this.

>>Long term I'd like to see a solution which works without too much human
>>intervention - similar to ISO/FD creation.. or if that doesn't work we may
be
>>better off with a script like in 3)?
We got, basically, 3 test of my former image.  It seams to work and it would
require about the same effort (for the end user) as creating ISO/FD.  I
wonder though, for the W32 users, is there a tool similar to dd that they
can use?  Ideas anyone?

Best regards
Jørn
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Sent: 2. april 2006 18:28
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Subject: Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image


Am Sonntag, 2. April 2006 14:36 schrieb Jorn Eriksen:
> Hello all;
>
> >>We currently have three ideas how to provide an USB image:
> >>1) a complete image which can be dd'ed to /dev/sda and is ready to boot;
> >>this is what Jorn, Eric and Andrea tried to build and provided for
>
> testing.
> As far as I can see - my image is ready for prime-time.  Do we need to do
> something to make that happen?
>
> >>2) provide a tarball which can be dd'ed but have the user run syslinux
to
>
> make
>
> >>it bootable (Natanaels proposal) - nothing to test yet.
>
> I guess this should be easy to create this from my image above.  If there
> is a need I can create this... Input anyone?
>
> >>3) a "pendrive-script", which creates a bootable USB stick by using the
>
> ISO
>
> >>image and some modifications for USB - nothing to test yet, but maybe
>
> soon.
>
> >>(I like to add vfat or ext2 to the image, so the modules will be as easy
> >>loadable as with the ISO image).
>
> With no 1&2 above +  the docs update - would we need a standalone script
at
> all?  Eric & I where theorizing around create a script similar to the ISO
/
> FD image create script, that would create an image for USB Pen Drive's.
> The script that DSL uses could be used as a "base" for thus using the
> loopback image model.

Jorn;

A default leaf.cfg like in the floppy images would be nice.
Eric pointed to the modules problem (they are truncated in the latest
image).

Long term I'd like to see a solution which works without too much human
intervention - similar to ISO/FD creation.. or if that doesn't work we may
be
better off with a script like in 3)?

But for the current version 2.4 we can add your image if the remaining pb's
are solved.


kp


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RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-04-02 Thread Jorn Eriksen
Hello Eric & All,

>>A question about the fs: did you use fat23 (with the vfat driver) or
>>fat16? In the latter case the module names are truncated, in the first
>>case the vfat module has to be added to the usb initrd.
Most memory stick come with fat16.  I've checked all I got an all have
FAT16.  When I created the Image i siply used what was there allready thus
the image is created with FAT16.  At least as it is today.

Best regards
Jørn


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Sent: 2. april 2006 18:18
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image


Hello Jorn,

> Hello all;
>
>
>
>>> We currently have three ideas how to provide an USB image:
>>> 1) a complete image which can be dd'ed to /dev/sda and is ready to
>>> boot; this is what Jorn, Eric and Andrea tried to build and provided
>>> for
> testing. As far as I can see - my image is ready for prime-time.  Do we
> need to do something to make that happen?
>
Kp can put the image in the File Release Area or somewhere else on the
LEAF site. It can always be improved later if problems are found.
A question about the fs: did you use fat23 (with the vfat driver) or
fat16? In the latter case the module names are truncated, in the first
case the vfat module has to be added to the usb initrd.

>
>>> 2) provide a tarball which can be dd'ed but have the user run
>>> syslinux to
> make
>>> it bootable (Natanaels proposal) - nothing to test yet.
> I guess this should be easy to create this from my image above.  If there
> is a need I can create this... Input anyone?
>
>
>>> 3) a "pendrive-script", which creates a bootable USB stick by using
>>> the
> ISO
>
>>> image and some modifications for USB - nothing to test yet, but maybe
>>>
> soon.
>>> (I like to add vfat or ext2 to the image, so the modules will be as
>>> easy loadable as with the ISO image).
> With no 1&2 above +  the docs update - would we need a standalone script
> at all?  Eric & I where theorizing around create a script similar to the
> ISO /
> FD image create script, that would create an image for USB Pen Drive's.
> The
> script that DSL uses could be used as a "base" for thus using the loopback
>  image model.
>
I didn't manage to create a bootable image with using the loopback method
unfortuanatly. I'm still trying to find out why, Kp sended me links that
give some hints which I have to look at.

> Best regards
> Jørn

Regards,
Eric



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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-04-02 Thread KP Kirchdoerfer
Am Sonntag, 2. April 2006 14:36 schrieb Jorn Eriksen:
> Hello all;
>
> >>We currently have three ideas how to provide an USB image:
> >>1) a complete image which can be dd'ed to /dev/sda and is ready to boot;
> >>this is what Jorn, Eric and Andrea tried to build and provided for
>
> testing.
> As far as I can see - my image is ready for prime-time.  Do we need to do
> something to make that happen?
>
> >>2) provide a tarball which can be dd'ed but have the user run syslinux to
>
> make
>
> >>it bootable (Natanaels proposal) - nothing to test yet.
>
> I guess this should be easy to create this from my image above.  If there
> is a need I can create this... Input anyone?
>
> >>3) a "pendrive-script", which creates a bootable USB stick by using the
>
> ISO
>
> >>image and some modifications for USB - nothing to test yet, but maybe
>
> soon.
>
> >>(I like to add vfat or ext2 to the image, so the modules will be as easy
> >>loadable as with the ISO image).
>
> With no 1&2 above +  the docs update - would we need a standalone script at
> all?  Eric & I where theorizing around create a script similar to the ISO /
> FD image create script, that would create an image for USB Pen Drive's. 
> The script that DSL uses could be used as a "base" for thus using the
> loopback image model.

Jorn;

A default leaf.cfg like in the floppy images would be nice.
Eric pointed to the modules problem (they are truncated in the latest image).

Long term I'd like to see a solution which works without too much human 
intervention - similar to ISO/FD creation.. or if that doesn't work we may be 
better off with a script like in 3)?

But for the current version 2.4 we can add your image if the remaining pb's 
are solved.


kp


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RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-04-02 Thread Eric Spakman
Hello Jorn,

> Hello all;
>
>
>
>>> We currently have three ideas how to provide an USB image:
>>> 1) a complete image which can be dd'ed to /dev/sda and is ready to
>>> boot; this is what Jorn, Eric and Andrea tried to build and provided
>>> for
> testing. As far as I can see - my image is ready for prime-time.  Do we
> need to do something to make that happen?
>
Kp can put the image in the File Release Area or somewhere else on the
LEAF site. It can always be improved later if problems are found.
A question about the fs: did you use fat23 (with the vfat driver) or
fat16? In the latter case the module names are truncated, in the first
case the vfat module has to be added to the usb initrd.

>
>>> 2) provide a tarball which can be dd'ed but have the user run
>>> syslinux to
> make
>>> it bootable (Natanaels proposal) - nothing to test yet.
> I guess this should be easy to create this from my image above.  If there
> is a need I can create this... Input anyone?
>
>
>>> 3) a "pendrive-script", which creates a bootable USB stick by using
>>> the
> ISO
>
>>> image and some modifications for USB - nothing to test yet, but maybe
>>>
> soon.
>>> (I like to add vfat or ext2 to the image, so the modules will be as
>>> easy loadable as with the ISO image).
> With no 1&2 above +  the docs update - would we need a standalone script
> at all?  Eric & I where theorizing around create a script similar to the
> ISO /
> FD image create script, that would create an image for USB Pen Drive's.
> The
> script that DSL uses could be used as a "base" for thus using the loopback
>  image model.
>
I didn't manage to create a bootable image with using the loopback method
unfortuanatly. I'm still trying to find out why, Kp sended me links that
give some hints which I have to look at.

> Best regards
> Jørn

Regards,
Eric



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RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-04-02 Thread Jorn Eriksen
Hello all;


>>We currently have three ideas how to provide an USB image:
>>1) a complete image which can be dd'ed to /dev/sda and is ready to boot;
>>this is what Jorn, Eric and Andrea tried to build and provided for
testing.
As far as I can see - my image is ready for prime-time.  Do we need to do
something to make that happen?


>>2) provide a tarball which can be dd'ed but have the user run syslinux to
make
>>it bootable (Natanaels proposal) - nothing to test yet.
I guess this should be easy to create this from my image above.  If there is
a need I can create this... Input anyone?


>>3) a "pendrive-script", which creates a bootable USB stick by using the
ISO
>>image and some modifications for USB - nothing to test yet, but maybe
soon.
>>(I like to add vfat or ext2 to the image, so the modules will be as easy
>>loadable as with the ISO image).
With no 1&2 above +  the docs update - would we need a standalone script at
all?  Eric & I where theorizing around create a script similar to the ISO /
FD image create script, that would create an image for USB Pen Drive's.  The
script that DSL uses could be used as a "base" for thus using the loopback
image model.

Best regards
Jørn
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Moin Moin;

Am Mittwoch, 29. März 2006 02:22 schrieb Jorn Eriksen:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Some more results from testing of USB Sticks.
>
> Looking at the physical properties on the USB sticks it seams we are in
for
> some fun.  It seams to me that they all have different physical
attributes.
> I tested with some other ones as well including the brand new 256mb stick.
> All had different metrics.
>
> I've just rolled a new image and uploaded this.  To this image I've
applied
> the mbr.bin that came with syslinux v3.11 - maybe that works better.  Now
> - we are in for some more fun - have a look at this article:
> http://syslinux.zytor.com/usbkey.php

Have someone looked into this?

> We really should have some more folks testing the different images/models.

Agree.

> Had a quick look on the DSL's pendrive_usbhdd.sh script.  I'm quite sure
we
> shold be able to use this as well.  The "package" can be found here:
> ftp://ftp.belnet.be/packages/damnsmalllinux/archive/pendrive_usbhdd.tar.gz

I started to work on this one and it looks promising. But it is a totally
different approach.

We currently have three ideas how to provide an USB image:

1) a complete image which can be dd'ed to /dev/sda and is ready to boot;
this is what Jorn, Eric and Andrea tried to build and provided for testing.

2) provide a tarball which can be dd'ed but have the user run syslinux to
make
it bootable (Natanaels proposal) - nothing to test yet.

3) a "pendrive-script", which creates a bootable USB stick by using the ISO
image and some modifications for USB - nothing to test yet, but maybe soon.
(I like to add vfat or ext2 to the image, so the modules will be as easy
loadable as with the ISO image).

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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-04-01 Thread KP Kirchdoerfer
Moin Moin;

Am Mittwoch, 29. März 2006 02:22 schrieb Jorn Eriksen:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Some more results from testing of USB Sticks.
>
> Looking at the physical properties on the USB sticks it seams we are in for
> some fun.  It seams to me that they all have different physical attributes.
> I tested with some other ones as well including the brand new 256mb stick.
> All had different metrics.
>
> I've just rolled a new image and uploaded this.  To this image I've applied
> the mbr.bin that came with syslinux v3.11 - maybe that works better.  Now 
> - we are in for some more fun - have a look at this article:
> http://syslinux.zytor.com/usbkey.php

Have someone looked into this?

> We really should have some more folks testing the different images/models.

Agree.

> Had a quick look on the DSL's pendrive_usbhdd.sh script.  I'm quite sure we
> shold be able to use this as well.  The "package" can be found here:
> ftp://ftp.belnet.be/packages/damnsmalllinux/archive/pendrive_usbhdd.tar.gz

I started to work on this one and it looks promising. But it is a totally 
different approach.

We currently have three ideas how to provide an USB image:

1) a complete image which can be dd'ed to /dev/sda and is ready to boot;
this is what Jorn, Eric and Andrea tried to build and provided for testing.

2) provide a tarball which can be dd'ed but have the user run syslinux to make 
it bootable (Natanaels proposal) - nothing to test yet.

3) a "pendrive-script", which creates a bootable USB stick by using the ISO 
image and some modifications for USB - nothing to test yet, but maybe soon. 
(I like to add vfat or ext2 to the image, so the modules will be as easy 
loadable as with the ISO image).

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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-04-01 Thread KP Kirchdoerfer
Moin Moin;

Am Mittwoch, 29. März 2006 02:22 schrieb Jorn Eriksen:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Some more results from testing of USB Sticks.
>
> Looking at the physical properties on the USB sticks it seams we are in for
> some fun.  It seams to me that they all have different physical attributes.
> I tested with some other ones as well including the brand new 256mb stick.
> All had different metrics.
>
> I've just rolled a new image and uploaded this.  To this image I've applied
> the mbr.bin that came with syslinux v3.11 - maybe that works better.  Now 
> - we are in for some more fun - have a look at this article:
> http://syslinux.zytor.com/usbkey.php

Have someone looked into this?

> We really should have some more folks testing the different images/models.

Agree.

> Had a quick look on the DSL's pendrive_usbhdd.sh script.  I'm quite sure we
> shold be able to use this as well.  The "package" can be found here:
> ftp://ftp.belnet.be/packages/damnsmalllinux/archive/pendrive_usbhdd.tar.gz

I started to work on this one and it looks promising. But it is a totally 
different approach.

We currently have three ideas how to provide an USB image:

1) a complete image which can be dd'ed to /dev/sda and is ready to boot;
this is what Jorn, Eric and Andrea tried to build and provided for testing.

2) provide a tarball which can be dd'ed but have the user run syslinux to make 
it bootable (Natanaels proposal) - nothing to test yet.

3) a "pendrive-script", which creates a bootable USB stick by using the ISO 
image and some modifications for USB - nothing to test yet, but maybe soon. 
(I like to add vfat or ext2 to the image, so the modules will be as easy 
loadable as with the ISO image).

kp


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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-29 Thread Natanael Copa
Jorn Eriksen wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Some more results from testing of USB Sticks.
> 
> Looking at the physical properties on the USB sticks it seams we are in for
> some fun.  It seams to me that they all have different physical attributes.
> I tested with some other ones as well including the brand new 256mb stick.
> All had different metrics.
> 
> I've just rolled a new image and uploaded this.  To this image I've applied
> the mbr.bin that came with syslinux v3.11 - maybe that works better.  Now  -
> we are in for some more fun - have a look at this article:
> http://syslinux.zytor.com/usbkey.php
> 
> Natanael - maybe you have a Award bios?

I have no idea. Its Dell.

> I've noticed that on certain of my
> machines the stick (with the image applied) look completely messed up.
> Howver - the image do boot with all the different stick I have, and on the
> three different test machines I got at home.  Very strange indeed.

The usb stick got partitioned and mounted just fine. I just didnt want
to boot.

> All - maybe we should try to roll a USB-ZIP image as well? For that we can
> use the Syslinux tool mentioned in the link above.

I'd say: ship a .tar.gz (or .zip) file that the user an unpack on
his/her usb drive and the run syslinux. You could even ship syslinux.exe
for windows users.

> I've tried with the "image" model that David described however presently I
> have no luck with that. I've tried Erics image as well - no luck there
> either. Eric - this is a full device image - right?
> 
> We really should have some more folks testing the different images/models.
> 
> Had a quick look on the DSL's pendrive_usbhdd.sh script.  I'm quite sure we
> shold be able to use this as well.  The "package" can be found here:
> ftp://ftp.belnet.be/packages/damnsmalllinux/archive/pendrive_usbhdd.tar.gz
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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-29 Thread KP Kirchdoerfer
Hi;

first my Bios is an Award bios...

I tested all three available images with mixed results.

Am Dienstag, 28. März 2006 22:39 schrieb Mike Noyes:

> All testers,
> How well are the submitted usb flash drive images working?
>
> http://www.ccl-network.com/leaf/stick.img.gz

Downloaded today, so it might be the new one(?) - boots fine.

> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/leaf/devel/faino/usbtest/

Boots.

> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/leaf/devel/espakman/

Both versions failed - 1.1 with a similar error Nathanael had and latest 
version fails completly.

Somewhere during boot process all booting versions want to run rsync...?

About size/packages: I vote to add everything just as with the ISO image.

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RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-28 Thread Jorn Eriksen
Mike & All,

I'll create an updated image later tonight (CET that is) however I've not
been able to find issues with my image testing it on 5-6 machines.  Eric
gave me another tip thus I'll give that a go as well.

Jorn
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On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 10:36, Eric Spakman wrote:
> Using David's tip I also created an usb image, this is just a small one
> for testing it only contains the packages also available on floppy.

> The image will show up in a few hours (when viewCVS is updated) at:
> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/leaf/devel/espakman/

Eric,
I see you committed a new image (r1.2) to cvs. Have you received any
feedback yet?

All testers,
How well are the submitted usb flash drive images working?

http://www.ccl-network.com/leaf/stick.img.gz
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/leaf/devel/faino/usbtest/
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/leaf/devel/espakman/

Everyone,
I appreciate the work Jorn, Andrea, Eric, and all the people who
commented on this subject contributed. I hope we have a working image
shortly. :-)

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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-28 Thread Mike Noyes
On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 10:36, Eric Spakman wrote:
> Using David's tip I also created an usb image, this is just a small one
> for testing it only contains the packages also available on floppy.

> The image will show up in a few hours (when viewCVS is updated) at:
> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/leaf/devel/espakman/

Eric,
I see you committed a new image (r1.2) to cvs. Have you received any
feedback yet?

All testers,
How well are the submitted usb flash drive images working?

http://www.ccl-network.com/leaf/stick.img.gz
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/leaf/devel/faino/usbtest/
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/leaf/devel/espakman/

Everyone,
I appreciate the work Jorn, Andrea, Eric, and all the people who
commented on this subject contributed. I hope we have a working image
shortly. :-)

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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-27 Thread Eric Spakman
Hello all,

Using David's tip I also created an usb image, this is just a small one
for testing it only contains the packages also available on floppy.

There was a small error in the dd command, with a blocksize of 1024k it
would create an image of 20Gbyte :-) The blocksize should be 1k.

The image will show up in a few hours (when viewCVS is updated) at:
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/leaf/devel/espakman/

Eric


> To answer Eric's question, here's Andrea's tips "adjusted" slightly:
>
>
> Andrea Fino wrote:
>
>> I did a working usb this way:
>>
>>
>> 1) build the env with buildroot, so I got the lrp in packages
>>
>>
>> 2) these commands:
>>
>>
>> mkdosfs /dev/sde1 mount /dev/sde1 /mnt cd /root/packages cp -pr * /mnt
>> umount /mnt syslinux /dev/sde1
>
> dd if=/dev/zero of=$HOME/usbfile bs=1024k count=20480 mkdosfs
> $HOME/usbfile
> mount -o loop $HOME/usbfile /mnt cd /root/packages cp -pr * /mnt umount
/mnt
> syslinux $HOME/usbfile
>
> The only added command (dd) creates a zero-filled file of 20M size.
>
>
>> 3) syslinux.cfg:
>>
>>
>> PKGPATH=/dev/sda1:msdos and so LEAFCFG
>>
>>
>> put initrd_usb.lrp
>
> Hope this helps...
>
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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-27 Thread Eric Spakman
Hello David,

Thanks for the help! I will try your suggestion and also create an image.

Eric

> To answer Eric's question, here's Andrea's tips "adjusted" slightly:
>
>
> Andrea Fino wrote:
>
>> I did a working usb this way:
>>
>>
>> 1) build the env with buildroot, so I got the lrp in packages
>>
>>
>> 2) these commands:
>>
>>
>> mkdosfs /dev/sde1 mount /dev/sde1 /mnt cd /root/packages cp -pr * /mnt
>> umount /mnt syslinux /dev/sde1
>
> dd if=/dev/zero of=$HOME/usbfile bs=1024k count=20480 mkdosfs
> $HOME/usbfile
> mount -o loop $HOME/usbfile /mnt cd /root/packages cp -pr * /mnt umount
/mnt
> syslinux $HOME/usbfile
>
> The only added command (dd) creates a zero-filled file of 20M size.
>
>
>> 3) syslinux.cfg:
>>
>>
>> PKGPATH=/dev/sda1:msdos and so LEAFCFG
>>
>>
>> put initrd_usb.lrp
>
> Hope this helps...
>
>
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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-27 Thread David Douthitt

To answer Eric's question, here's Andrea's tips "adjusted" slightly:

Andrea Fino wrote:

I did a working usb this way:

1) build the env with buildroot, so I got the lrp in packages

2) these commands:

mkdosfs /dev/sde1
mount /dev/sde1 /mnt
cd /root/packages
cp -pr * /mnt
umount /mnt
syslinux /dev/sde1


dd if=/dev/zero of=$HOME/usbfile bs=1024k count=20480
mkdosfs $HOME/usbfile
mount -o loop $HOME/usbfile /mnt
cd /root/packages
cp -pr * /mnt
umount /mnt
syslinux $HOME/usbfile

The only added command (dd) creates a zero-filled file of 20M size.


3) syslinux.cfg:

PKGPATH=/dev/sda1:msdos and so LEAFCFG

put initrd_usb.lrp


Hope this helps...


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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-27 Thread David Douthitt

Eric Spakman wrote:

The same question to you, do you know a way to create an image without
using a physical USB stick?


Should be easy, right?  Just replace "/dev/usb/#" with 
"/home/myhome/usbfile".  Under UNIX, devices look just like files to the 
programs involved.  Thus, you should be able to use a file instead of 
the actual specified dev device.




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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-27 Thread David Douthitt

Natanael Copa wrote:

(firefox tried to display the binary and since link didnt work it isn't
possible to right-click -> "save as")


You could let Firefox "display" it, then select "Save As..." and save 
the "page" and it would be fine...


Just a matter of one wants to wait for Firefox to "download" the "page" 
or not, staring at ugly binary until then...



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RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-26 Thread Eric Spakman
Hello Jorn,

The same question to you, do you know a way to create an image without
using a physical USB stick?

Eric

> Mike & All,
>
>
> Here's the URL
> http://www.ccl-network.com/leaf/
>
>
> Best regards
> Jørn
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image
>
>
>
> On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 07:44, Jorn Eriksen wrote:
>
>> This is really no big issue - I can just place it on one of my servers
>> and give you guys a link.  I asked because I thought that it was,sort of
>>  anyways, smart to have it on the leaf site..
>
> Jorn,
> The other option, if KP thinks the image is ready, is to release it in
> our FRS on SF.
>
>> I'll send a link in a little while!
>>
>
> Thanks. :-)
>
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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-25 Thread Andrea Fino

Hi,

I did a working usb this way:

1) build the env with buildroot, so I got the lrp in packages

2) these commands:

mkdosfs /dev/sde1
mount /dev/sde1 /mnt
cd /root/packages
cp -pr * /mnt
umount /mnt
syslinux /dev/sde1

3) syslinux.cfg:

PKGPATH=/dev/sda1:msdos and so LEAFCFG

put initrd_usb.lrp


Regards,
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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-25 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
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Mike Noyes wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 02:31, Jorn Eriksen wrote:
>> I have Gzip'ed the image and it now take around 20Mb.  Is there a place
>> where I can upload it so that more people can test?
> 
> Charles,
> Do you have available space for this image on leaf.steinkuehler.net?

Yeah, 20 Mb is no problem...

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RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-24 Thread Mike Noyes
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 09:06, Jørn Eriksen wrote:
> The typo is fixed now!  Hopefully it has not caused to much trouble.

Jørn,
Thanks for taking the time to correct the issue. I hope testing provides
a workable image. :-)

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RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-24 Thread Jørn Eriksen
Mike & All,

The typo is fixed now!  Hopefully it has not caused to much trouble.

Best regards
Jørn
-

> On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 07:24, Luis.F.Correia wrote:
>> I wanted to give it a got, but...
>>
>> The requested URL /leaf/stcik.img.gz was not found on this server.
>
> Luis,
> I just got that also.
>
> Jorn,
> Do you know what the issue is?
>
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RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-24 Thread Mike Noyes
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 07:24, Luis.F.Correia wrote:
> I wanted to give it a got, but...
> 
> The requested URL /leaf/stcik.img.gz was not found on this server.

Luis,
I just got that also.

Jorn,
Do you know what the issue is?

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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-24 Thread Natanael Copa
Luis.F.Correia wrote:
>  Hi!
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mike Noyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:13 PM
>> To: leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
>> Subject: RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image
>>
>> On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 15:25, Jorn Eriksen wrote:
>>> Here's the URL
>>> http://www.ccl-network.com/leaf/
>> Everyone,
>> Has anyone else had a chance to try Jorn's usb flash drive image yet?
> 
> I wanted to give it a got, but...
> 
> The requested URL /leaf/stcik.img.gz was not found on this server.

Its a typo.
Try:

wget http://www.ccl-network.com/leaf/stick.img.gz

(firefox tried to display the binary and since link didnt work it isn't
possible to right-click -> "save as")




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RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-24 Thread Jørn Eriksen
Uuuups -  little typo in the index.html file.  I'm traveling so I'm doing
this on a web cafe.  The direct URL is
http://www.ccl-network.com/leaf/stick.img.gz

I'll correct the other one as soon as I'm back.

Best regards
Jørn
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>  Hi!
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mike Noyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:13 PM
>> To: leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
>> Subject: RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image
>>
>> On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 15:25, Jorn Eriksen wrote:
>> > Here's the URL
>> > http://www.ccl-network.com/leaf/
>>
>> Everyone,
>> Has anyone else had a chance to try Jorn's usb flash drive image yet?
>
> I wanted to give it a got, but...
>
> The requested URL /leaf/stcik.img.gz was not found on this server.
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RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-24 Thread Luis.F.Correia
 Hi!

> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Noyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:13 PM
> To: leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image
> 
> On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 15:25, Jorn Eriksen wrote:
> > Here's the URL
> > http://www.ccl-network.com/leaf/
> 
> Everyone,
> Has anyone else had a chance to try Jorn's usb flash drive image yet?

I wanted to give it a got, but...

The requested URL /leaf/stcik.img.gz was not found on this server.


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RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-24 Thread Mike Noyes
On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 15:25, Jorn Eriksen wrote:
> Here's the URL
> http://www.ccl-network.com/leaf/

Everyone,
Has anyone else had a chance to try Jorn's usb flash drive image yet?

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RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-23 Thread Jorn Eriksen
Mike & All,

Here's the URL
http://www.ccl-network.com/leaf/

Best regards
Jørn

-Original Message-
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Sent: 23. mars 2006 18:10
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Subject: Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image


On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 07:44, Jorn Eriksen wrote:
> This is really no big issue - I can just place it on one of my servers and
> give you guys a link.  I asked because I thought that it was,sort of
> anyways, smart to have it on the leaf site..

Jorn,
The other option, if KP thinks the image is ready, is to release it in
our FRS on SF.

> I'll send a link in a little while!

Thanks. :-)

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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-23 Thread Mike Noyes
On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 07:44, Jorn Eriksen wrote:
> This is really no big issue - I can just place it on one of my servers and
> give you guys a link.  I asked because I thought that it was,sort of
> anyways, smart to have it on the leaf site..

Jorn,
The other option, if KP thinks the image is ready, is to release it in
our FRS on SF.

> I'll send a link in a little while!

Thanks. :-)

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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-23 Thread Mike Noyes
On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 02:31, Jorn Eriksen wrote:
> I have Gzip'ed the image and it now take around 20Mb.  Is there a place
> where I can upload it so that more people can test?

Charles,
Do you have available space for this image on leaf.steinkuehler.net?

Note: SF still hasn't made the promised FRS SandBox available to
projects yet. :-(

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RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-23 Thread Eric Spakman
Hello Jorn,

> Eric & All,
>
>
>>> I don't know what happens if you backup
>>> initrd (if initrd_usb.lrp or initrd.lrp is back-upped). Didn't you
>>> change leaf.cfg and can you still backup packages to the usb-stick?
> Good point.  Did not test that.  Had a look just now, and in the Backup
> menu, it uses the initrd_u name.  I did also test to backup that "package"
>  that that worked as well :-)
>
Ok, good to know ;-)

A possible problem with choosing the CD-image as starting point is that
the modules (in the /lib/modules/2.4.x directory) get truncated. They
probably look ok on the stick itself but you can't load them with the
"full" name. This can be solved with including and loading the vfat driver
in the initrd_usb package, in that case you would also see the full
initrd_usb name in the backup-menu.
But this are just details, I'm very glad you managed to create an usb-image!

> Best regards
> Jørn
>
Regards,
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RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-23 Thread Jorn Eriksen
Eric & All,

>>I don't know what happens if you backup
>>initrd (if initrd_usb.lrp or initrd.lrp is back-upped). Didn't you change
>>leaf.cfg and can you still backup packages to the usb-stick?
Good point.  Did not test that.  Had a look just now, and in the Backup
menu, it uses the initrd_u name.  I did also test to backup that "package"
that that worked as well :-)

Best regards
Jørn

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Subject: Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image


Hello Jorn,

Thanks for given it a go!


>
>>> -copy the packages to the stick (replace initrd.lrp with
>>> initrd_usb.lrp and rename it to initrd.lrp) -Change leaf.cfg and
>>> syslinux.cfg to use the correct boot device
> Used the ISO image as a base - just changed the syslinux.cfg file to
> point to the USB initrd (instead of renaming it).
>
I'm not sure if that's enough. I don't know what happens if you backup
initrd (if initrd_usb.lrp or initrd.lrp is back-upped). Didn't you change
leaf.cfg and can you still backup packages to the usb-stick?

> Tested on the ASUS S-Express (BareBones) machine that has USB boot
> enabled. All three sticks worked well :-)
>
Great :-)

>
> Then I created an image of the most expensive one (Kingston)
> dd if=/dev/sda of=stick.img
>
> after that I took the cheapest one - plugged in and did a: dd of=/dev/sda
> if=stick.img
>
> It took 40 sec "burn" it
> Then I pluged in into the ASUS box again.
> And it worked like a charm
>
>
> I have Gzip'ed the image and it now take around 20Mb.  Is there a place
> where I can upload it so that more people can test?
>
Maybe Mike or Kp can arrange something?

> Best regards
> Jørn

Regards,
Eric



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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-23 Thread Eric Spakman
Hello Jorn,

Thanks for given it a go!


>
>>> -copy the packages to the stick (replace initrd.lrp with
>>> initrd_usb.lrp and rename it to initrd.lrp) -Change leaf.cfg and
>>> syslinux.cfg to use the correct boot device
> Used the ISO image as a base - just changed the syslinux.cfg file to
> point to the USB initrd (instead of renaming it).
>
I'm not sure if that's enough. I don't know what happens if you backup
initrd (if initrd_usb.lrp or initrd.lrp is back-upped). Didn't you change
leaf.cfg and can you still backup packages to the usb-stick?

> Tested on the ASUS S-Express (BareBones) machine that has USB boot
> enabled. All three sticks worked well :-)
>
Great :-)

>
> Then I created an image of the most expensive one (Kingston)
> dd if=/dev/sda of=stick.img
>
> after that I took the cheapest one - plugged in and did a: dd of=/dev/sda
> if=stick.img
>
> It took 40 sec "burn" it
> Then I pluged in into the ASUS box again.
> And it worked like a charm
>
>
> I have Gzip'ed the image and it now take around 20Mb.  Is there a place
> where I can upload it so that more people can test?
>
Maybe Mike or Kp can arrange something?

> Best regards
> Jørn

Regards,
Eric



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