Re: [LU] Ayling?

2018-10-25 Thread Richard Walker via Leedslist
I don't think he's a weak link, I think he's started the season poorly by the 
high standards he has set since he arrived. 

> On 25 Oct 2018, at 20:41, Richard Naef  
> wrote:
> 
> Is Ayling a weak link?
> 
> FWIW the stats from 
> http://www.beinsports.com/au/efl-championship/team/2018/10/2
> 
> Pablo 7 games
> Passing Accuracy 76.2%  215/282
> Successful Long Passes 66.7%
> Passes per 90 mins 46.3 
> Crosses 23
> Successful 6
> Assists 4
> Chances Created 23
> 
> Luke 13 games 
> Passing Accuracy 75%  550/733
> Successful Long Passes 39.8%
> Passes per 90 mins 56.4
> Crosses 23
> Successful 1
> Assists 0
> Chances Created 9
> 
> Barry  11 games
> Passing Accuracy 83.1%  461/555
> Successful Long Passes 42.5%
> Passes per 90 mins 51.9
> Crosses 21
> Successful 4
> Assists 3
> Chances Created 18
> 
> Kalvin 14 games
> Passing Accuracy 84.4%  634/751  
> Successful Long Passes 53.2%
> Passes per 90 mins 60 
> Crosses 2
> Successful 0
> Assists 2
> Chances Created 8
> 
> Ezgjan 14 games
> Passing Accuracy 73.6%  292/397
> Successful Long Passes 35.5%
> Passes per 90 mins 46.3 
> Crosses 54
> Successful 13
> Assists 3
> Chances Created 29
> 
> 
> What does it tell us?  Accepting that Football is played on grass and not on 
> paper,  Ayling makes lots of successful passes but the longer they are the 
> less successful, Kalvin is pretty impressive and Pablo is vital and we need 
> Douglas back.
> 
> A quick comparison of  2017 figures;
> 
> Pablo 41 games
> Passing Accuracy 71.1%  1179/1659
> Successful Long Passes 44.6%
> Passes per 90 mins 50.2
> Crosses 65
> Successful 15
> Assists 8
> Chances Created 94
> 
> Luke 27 games 
> Passing Accuracy 71.6%  777/1085
> Successful Long Passes 34.98%
> Passes per 90 mins 41.3
> Crosses 55
> Successful 6
> Assists 1
> Chances Created 12
> 
> 
> Kalvin 41 games
> Passing Accuracy 72.3%  962/1331  
> Successful Long Passes 41.0%
> Passes per 90 mins 37.5
> Crosses 19
> Successful 4
> Assists 3
> Chances Created 27
> 
> Ezgjan 42 games
> Passing Accuracy 69%  606/878
> Successful Long Passes 33.7%
> Passes per 90 mins 25.1
> Crosses 92
> Successful 14
> 
> So the staggering conclusion is that all they players are better in almost 
> all areas!   Kalvin, possibly the most impressive, but Luke has still 
> improved. 
> 
> Assists 5
> Chances Created 45
> 
> 
> ttfn
> 
> Richard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of John Lee via 
> Leedslist
> Sent: 25 October 2018 18:18
> To: Richard Walker 
> Cc: Leeds List 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Ipswich report
> 
> I watched on tv, and I know being at the game is always more telling, 
> particularly if you’ve had a few beers, but there were parts of the game 
> early on which which were pretty poor. The constant giving the ball away, and 
> the misplaced long balls - I get the trying to stretch the game, and how this 
> sometimes works - drives me mad. I am trying very hard not to be critical, 
> because the season so far has been a revelation, and maybe the speed we play 
> at induces panic in other teams as well as meaning misplaced passes by us. We 
> could, and should, have won by more and Forshaw’s performance was one of his 
> best for us. Putting 2 or 3 wins together would be nice now though. For the 
> first season in years we have a serious chance of going up!
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 25 Oct 2018, at 18:03, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Agreed, I didn’t go last night but managed to watch on LUTV and I thought it 
>> was another poor performance from Ayling. His passing seems to have deserted 
>> him completely.
>> 
>> I thought we were poor first half but second half mainly due to Hernandez we 
>> took them apart and should have won by more.
>> 
>> I thought Dallas probably had his best game for Leeds (the bar is low) by 
>> showing that he has got something to offer even if it was against very poor 
>> opposition.
>> 
>> I like Forshaw and as somebody said he plays like Batty - always available, 
>> gets everywhere and always efficient with his passing. A few months ago I 
>> wouldn’t have dreamt of droppping Siaz but he’s not delivering and looks to 
>> have lost all confidence in front of goal.
>> 
>> I was impressed by Roofe first half but he faded badly and didn’t contribute 
>> anything second half.
>> 
>> Lots of praise for Philips but I thought he had the easiest job on the park 
>> mopping up at the back, no pressure and playing simple balls out from the 
>> back. Can he play that role against a better team with pace - I doubt it.
>> 
>> Forest big game. I’ve always rated Joe Lolley and he will take Ayling to the 
>> cleaners.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 25 Oct 2018, at 16:07, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not to be negative but I thought Ayling was poor. I think to play 
>>> Bielsaball you need to be a thinking footballer and Ayling ain't one. He is 
>>> best when he plays quick and direct. As soon as he stops and has to think 
>>> he makes mistakes.
>>> Nick

Re: [LU] Beer ban to be lifted ?

2018-10-25 Thread Richard Naef
To be fair, if you've been at as many matches as he has over the years a very 
heavy intake of alcohol is a necessity to keep in partially sane.

ttfn

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Robert Heath
Sent: 25 October 2018 20:27
To: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Beer ban to be lifted ?

That explains a lot about your match reports over the years!

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 7:10 PM Richard Walker via Leedslist < 
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> Would Save me having to watch a good proportion of 2nd halves under 
> the stand which during last 10 years has been fairly common amongst many fans.
>
>
>
> > On 25 Oct 2018, at 17:33, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> >
> > Just seen a very brief report on SSN that Shaun Harvey is trying to 
> > get
> the ban lifted on alcohol being drunk inside the stadium in view of 
> the pitchHe says 'crowd behaviour has changed since the ban was 
> imposed and is now draconian'
> > Given that there are grounds when Leeds fans cannot get a drink 
> > inside
> the ground at any time I cannot see the police agreeing to lift the 
> ban. I think they will argue that the ban has worked so why lift it 
> and point to some issues that occur in the concourse when drink is 
> flowing (sometimes flowing through the air)
> > It will be interesting to say the least Dave 
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[LU] Ayling?

2018-10-25 Thread Richard Naef
Is Ayling a weak link?

FWIW the stats from http://www.beinsports.com/au/efl-championship/team/2018/10/2

Pablo 7 games
Passing Accuracy 76.2%  215/282
Successful Long Passes 66.7%
Passes per 90 mins 46.3 
Crosses 23
Successful 6
Assists 4
Chances Created 23

Luke 13 games 
Passing Accuracy 75%  550/733
Successful Long Passes 39.8%
Passes per 90 mins 56.4
Crosses 23
Successful 1
Assists 0
Chances Created 9

Barry  11 games
Passing Accuracy 83.1%  461/555
Successful Long Passes 42.5%
Passes per 90 mins 51.9
Crosses 21
Successful 4
Assists 3
Chances Created 18

Kalvin 14 games
Passing Accuracy 84.4%  634/751  
Successful Long Passes 53.2%
Passes per 90 mins 60 
Crosses 2
Successful 0
Assists 2
Chances Created 8

Ezgjan 14 games
Passing Accuracy 73.6%  292/397
Successful Long Passes 35.5%
Passes per 90 mins 46.3 
Crosses 54
Successful 13
Assists 3
Chances Created 29


What does it tell us?  Accepting that Football is played on grass and not on 
paper,  Ayling makes lots of successful passes but the longer they are the less 
successful, Kalvin is pretty impressive and Pablo is vital and we need Douglas 
back.

A quick comparison of  2017 figures;

Pablo 41 games
Passing Accuracy 71.1%  1179/1659
Successful Long Passes 44.6%
Passes per 90 mins 50.2
Crosses 65
Successful 15
Assists 8
Chances Created 94

Luke 27 games 
Passing Accuracy 71.6%  777/1085
Successful Long Passes 34.98%
Passes per 90 mins 41.3
Crosses 55
Successful 6
Assists 1
Chances Created 12


Kalvin 41 games
Passing Accuracy 72.3%  962/1331  
Successful Long Passes 41.0%
Passes per 90 mins 37.5
Crosses 19
Successful 4
Assists 3
Chances Created 27

Ezgjan 42 games
Passing Accuracy 69%  606/878
Successful Long Passes 33.7%
Passes per 90 mins 25.1
Crosses 92
Successful 14

So the staggering conclusion is that all they players are better in almost all 
areas!   Kalvin, possibly the most impressive, but Luke has still improved. 

Assists 5
Chances Created 45


ttfn

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of John Lee via 
Leedslist
Sent: 25 October 2018 18:18
To: Richard Walker 
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Ipswich report

I watched on tv, and I know being at the game is always more telling, 
particularly if you’ve had a few beers, but there were parts of the game early 
on which which were pretty poor. The constant giving the ball away, and the 
misplaced long balls - I get the trying to stretch the game, and how this 
sometimes works - drives me mad. I am trying very hard not to be critical, 
because the season so far has been a revelation, and maybe the speed we play at 
induces panic in other teams as well as meaning misplaced passes by us. We 
could, and should, have won by more and Forshaw’s performance was one of his 
best for us. Putting 2 or 3 wins together would be nice now though. For the 
first season in years we have a serious chance of going up!

Sent from my iPad

> On 25 Oct 2018, at 18:03, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Agreed, I didn’t go last night but managed to watch on LUTV and I thought it 
> was another poor performance from Ayling. His passing seems to have deserted 
> him completely.
> 
> I thought we were poor first half but second half mainly due to Hernandez we 
> took them apart and should have won by more.
> 
> I thought Dallas probably had his best game for Leeds (the bar is low) by 
> showing that he has got something to offer even if it was against very poor 
> opposition.
> 
> I like Forshaw and as somebody said he plays like Batty - always available, 
> gets everywhere and always efficient with his passing. A few months ago I 
> wouldn’t have dreamt of droppping Siaz but he’s not delivering and looks to 
> have lost all confidence in front of goal.
> 
> I was impressed by Roofe first half but he faded badly and didn’t contribute 
> anything second half.
> 
> Lots of praise for Philips but I thought he had the easiest job on the park 
> mopping up at the back, no pressure and playing simple balls out from the 
> back. Can he play that role against a better team with pace - I doubt it.
> 
> Forest big game. I’ve always rated Joe Lolley and he will take Ayling to the 
> cleaners.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 25 Oct 2018, at 16:07, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Not to be negative but I thought Ayling was poor. I think to play Bielsaball 
>> you need to be a thinking footballer and Ayling ain't one. He is best when 
>> he plays quick and direct. As soon as he stops and has to think he makes 
>> mistakes.
>> Nick
>> 
>> 
>>   On Thursday, October 25, 2018, 5:46:08 AM EDT, nat...@sky.com 
>>  wrote:  
>> 
>> "United are back, United are back"
>> Well those of you who thought that we had been 'rumbled' may have to 
>> re-think things after a totally dominant display and a real return to 
>> the peak 'Bielasball' last night - albeit against a very poor team who were 
>> low on confidence Two slight moans - first, the crowd, whislt good in terms 
>> of numbers was as quiet during 

Re: [LU] Beer ban to be lifted ?

2018-10-25 Thread Richard Walker via Leedslist
Good to see you're reading them. 

> On 25 Oct 2018, at 20:27, Robert Heath  wrote:
> 
> That explains a lot about your match reports over the years!
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 7:10 PM Richard Walker via Leedslist 
>>  wrote:
>> Would Save me having to watch a good proportion of 2nd halves under the 
>> stand which during last 10 years has been fairly common amongst many fans.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > On 25 Oct 2018, at 17:33, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Just seen a very brief report on SSN that Shaun Harvey is trying to get 
>> > the ban lifted on alcohol being drunk inside the stadium in view of the 
>> > pitchHe says 'crowd behaviour has changed since the ban was imposed and is 
>> > now draconian'
>> > Given that there are grounds when Leeds fans cannot get a drink inside the 
>> > ground at any time I cannot see the police agreeing to lift the ban. I 
>> > think they will argue that the ban has worked so why lift it and point to 
>> > some issues that occur in the concourse when drink is flowing (sometimes 
>> > flowing through the air)
>> > It will be interesting to say the least
>> > Dave
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Re: [LU] Beer ban to be lifted ?

2018-10-25 Thread Robert Heath
That explains a lot about your match reports over the years!

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 7:10 PM Richard Walker via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> Would Save me having to watch a good proportion of 2nd halves under the
> stand which during last 10 years has been fairly common amongst many fans.
>
>
>
> > On 25 Oct 2018, at 17:33, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> >
> > Just seen a very brief report on SSN that Shaun Harvey is trying to get
> the ban lifted on alcohol being drunk inside the stadium in view of the
> pitchHe says 'crowd behaviour has changed since the ban was imposed and is
> now draconian'
> > Given that there are grounds when Leeds fans cannot get a drink inside
> the ground at any time I cannot see the police agreeing to lift the ban. I
> think they will argue that the ban has worked so why lift it and point to
> some issues that occur in the concourse when drink is flowing (sometimes
> flowing through the air)
> > It will be interesting to say the least
> > Dave
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Re: [LU] Ipswich report

2018-10-25 Thread John Lee via Leedslist
I watched on tv, and I know being at the game is always more telling, 
particularly if you’ve had a few beers, but there were parts of the game early 
on which which were pretty poor. The constant giving the ball away, and the 
misplaced long balls - I get the trying to stretch the game, and how this 
sometimes works - drives me mad. I am trying very hard not to be critical, 
because the season so far has been a revelation, and maybe the speed we play at 
induces panic in other teams as well as meaning misplaced passes by us. We 
could, and should, have won by more and Forshaw’s performance was one of his 
best for us. Putting 2 or 3 wins together would be nice now though. For the 
first season in years we have a serious chance of going up!

Sent from my iPad

> On 25 Oct 2018, at 18:03, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Agreed, I didn’t go last night but managed to watch on LUTV and I thought it 
> was another poor performance from Ayling. His passing seems to have deserted 
> him completely.
> 
> I thought we were poor first half but second half mainly due to Hernandez we 
> took them apart and should have won by more.
> 
> I thought Dallas probably had his best game for Leeds (the bar is low) by 
> showing that he has got something to offer even if it was against very poor 
> opposition.
> 
> I like Forshaw and as somebody said he plays like Batty - always available, 
> gets everywhere and always efficient with his passing. A few months ago I 
> wouldn’t have dreamt of droppping Siaz but he’s not delivering and looks to 
> have lost all confidence in front of goal.
> 
> I was impressed by Roofe first half but he faded badly and didn’t contribute 
> anything second half.
> 
> Lots of praise for Philips but I thought he had the easiest job on the park 
> mopping up at the back, no pressure and playing simple balls out from the 
> back. Can he play that role against a better team with pace - I doubt it.
> 
> Forest big game. I’ve always rated Joe Lolley and he will take Ayling to the 
> cleaners.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 25 Oct 2018, at 16:07, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Not to be negative but I thought Ayling was poor. I think to play Bielsaball 
>> you need to be a thinking footballer and Ayling ain't one. He is best when 
>> he plays quick and direct. As soon as he stops and has to think he makes 
>> mistakes.
>> Nick
>> 
>> 
>>   On Thursday, October 25, 2018, 5:46:08 AM EDT, nat...@sky.com 
>>  wrote:  
>> 
>> "United are back, United are back"
>> Well those of you who thought that we had been 'rumbled' may have to 
>> re-think things after a totally dominant display and a real return to the 
>> peak 'Bielasball' last night - albeit against a very poor team who were low 
>> on confidence
>> Two slight moans - first, the crowd, whislt good in terms of numbers was as 
>> quiet during the first half as I can remember (practice for the Prem?) 
>> Secondly the fact that despite it being shooting practice at the end and 
>> almost the oldkids game of attack v defence we only managed 2 goals
>> However these two gripes are totally overshadowed by a tremendous 
>> performance, all made possible by the return of the magician , Pablo 
>> Hernandez, who was sublime and went through their back line like the 
>> proverbial knife through butter. He was a joy to watch and when he plays 
>> like this you wonder what he is doing in this Division. How we have missed 
>> him especially at home when faced with a team who pack the defence and come 
>> for a draw.
>> The other returnee, Kemar Roofe, also proved , yet again, that he is a 
>> centre forward not a winger, and when he is allowed to play up top he gets 
>> results, this time a lovely timed header when he got between the 2 defenders 
>> and met a brilliant cross by Pablo - the finish very similar to the goal v 
>> Derby (?) He buzzed around and caused them problems all evening.
>> Everyone played their part last night, with all 3 subs also doing well. 
>> Dallas showed what he can still offer something going forward and had one 
>> attempt just wide and one lovely run when he actually took on and beat two 
>> defenders. Pearce showed that he does still have a future- like the rest of 
>> us he must have wondered why he did not get the nod ahead of Dallas when 
>> Douglas got injured. Forshaw fitted into the system as if he was born into 
>> it and also went close with a rasping drive, he replaced the slightly 
>> subdued Saiz and kept the ball moving with little Batty-esque type passing 
>> and interceptions. 
>> 
>> We could have had a hatful with Alisoki coming closest to adding to the 
>> total with a great run and shot that came back from the inside of the post - 
>> he was another player who was back to his best last night , with a cross in 
>> the first half nearly causing a goal as the keeper could only parry it back 
>> into the danger zone.
>> The second goal and the one that eased all our tension off the pitch and led 
>> to total 

Re: [LU] Beer ban to be lifted ?

2018-10-25 Thread Richard Walker via Leedslist
Would Save me having to watch a good proportion of 2nd halves under the stand 
which during last 10 years has been fairly common amongst many fans.



> On 25 Oct 2018, at 17:33, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> Just seen a very brief report on SSN that Shaun Harvey is trying to get the 
> ban lifted on alcohol being drunk inside the stadium in view of the pitchHe 
> says 'crowd behaviour has changed since the ban was imposed and is now 
> draconian'
> Given that there are grounds when Leeds fans cannot get a drink inside the 
> ground at any time I cannot see the police agreeing to lift the ban. I think 
> they will argue that the ban has worked so why lift it and point to some 
> issues that occur in the concourse when drink is flowing (sometimes flowing 
> through the air)
> It will be interesting to say the least
> Dave
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Re: [LU] Ipswich report

2018-10-25 Thread Richard Walker via Leedslist
Agreed, I didn’t go last night but managed to watch on LUTV and I thought it 
was another poor performance from Ayling. His passing seems to have deserted 
him completely.

I thought we were poor first half but second half mainly due to Hernandez we 
took them apart and should have won by more.

I thought Dallas probably had his best game for Leeds (the bar is low) by 
showing that he has got something to offer even if it was against very poor 
opposition.

I like Forshaw and as somebody said he plays like Batty - always available, 
gets everywhere and always efficient with his passing. A few months ago I 
wouldn’t have dreamt of droppping Siaz but he’s not delivering and looks to 
have lost all confidence in front of goal.

I was impressed by Roofe first half but he faded badly and didn’t contribute 
anything second half.

Lots of praise for Philips but I thought he had the easiest job on the park 
mopping up at the back, no pressure and playing simple balls out from the back. 
Can he play that role against a better team with pace - I doubt it.

Forest big game. I’ve always rated Joe Lolley and he will take Ayling to the 
cleaners.



> On 25 Oct 2018, at 16:07, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Not to be negative but I thought Ayling was poor. I think to play Bielsaball 
> you need to be a thinking footballer and Ayling ain't one. He is best when he 
> plays quick and direct. As soon as he stops and has to think he makes 
> mistakes.
> Nick
> 
> 
>On Thursday, October 25, 2018, 5:46:08 AM EDT, nat...@sky.com 
>  wrote:  
> 
> "United are back, United are back"
> Well those of you who thought that we had been 'rumbled' may have to re-think 
> things after a totally dominant display and a real return to the peak 
> 'Bielasball' last night - albeit against a very poor team who were low on 
> confidence
> Two slight moans - first, the crowd, whislt good in terms of numbers was as 
> quiet during the first half as I can remember (practice for the Prem?) 
> Secondly the fact that despite it being shooting practice at the end and 
> almost the oldkids game of attack v defence we only managed 2 goals
> However these two gripes are totally overshadowed by a tremendous 
> performance, all made possible by the return of the magician , Pablo 
> Hernandez, who was sublime and went through their back line like the 
> proverbial knife through butter. He was a joy to watch and when he plays like 
> this you wonder what he is doing in this Division. How we have missed him 
> especially at home when faced with a team who pack the defence and come for a 
> draw.
> The other returnee, Kemar Roofe, also proved , yet again, that he is a centre 
> forward not a winger, and when he is allowed to play up top he gets results, 
> this time a lovely timed header when he got between the 2 defenders and met a 
> brilliant cross by Pablo - the finish very similar to the goal v Derby (?) He 
> buzzed around and caused them problems all evening.
> Everyone played their part last night, with all 3 subs also doing well. 
> Dallas showed what he can still offer something going forward and had one 
> attempt just wide and one lovely run when he actually took on and beat two 
> defenders. Pearce showed that he does still have a future- like the rest of 
> us he must have wondered why he did not get the nod ahead of Dallas when 
> Douglas got injured. Forshaw fitted into the system as if he was born into it 
> and also went close with a rasping drive, he replaced the slightly subdued 
> Saiz and kept the ball moving with little Batty-esque type passing and 
> interceptions. 
> 
> We could have had a hatful with Alisoki coming closest to adding to the total 
> with a great run and shot that came back from the inside of the post - he was 
> another player who was back to his best last night , with a cross in the 
> first half nearly causing a goal as the keeper could only parry it back into 
> the danger zone.
> The second goal and the one that eased all our tension off the pitch and led 
> to total capitulation from Ipswich on it, was brilliant and well worked - a 
> short corner came back to Pablo and his cross was superbly dummied by 
> Phillips(?) and fell to Cooper who side footed it with his right from the 
> edge of the box - yes League -One Liam as some call him finsihed with real 
> skill and aplomb. That ended the game as a contest (if it ever was, since all 
>  they managed was one easily saved header in the first half and were almost 
> gifted a goal by Ayling right at the death) and it became almost a procession 
> of us coming forward and having pot shots and scrambles - their keeper was 
> their man of the match (and beaten only by Pablo for THE MoM)
> It was a perfect response to the Blackburn defeat - a bit worrying that 
> Berardi went off , presumably injured but with Bielsa, who knows it could 
> have been tactical. Bielsa again used his subs wisely and excitingly making a 
> double sub with over 30mins to go 

Re: [LU] Ipswich report

2018-10-25 Thread Simon McNally
Pablo showed just how much we miss him when he’s not there. He would be the 
first name on the team sheet for me.
Thought Phillips was superb. I still think that no one else in the squad is 
capable of hitting the 50 yard plus cross field balls that he does.
I also thought that Forshaw looked good when he came on for Saiz , with Klich 
moving further forward. We looked more solid and it’s definitely an option when 
Saiz is having an off day.

S

Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 Oct 2018, at 10:45, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> "United are back, United are back"
> Well those of you who thought that we had been 'rumbled' may have to re-think 
> things after a totally dominant display and a real return to the peak 
> 'Bielasball' last night - albeit against a very poor team who were low on 
> confidence
> Two slight moans - first, the crowd, whislt good in terms of numbers was as 
> quiet during the first half as I can remember (practice for the Prem?) 
> Secondly the fact that despite it being shooting practice at the end and 
> almost the oldkids game of attack v defence we only managed 2 goals
> However these two gripes are totally overshadowed by a tremendous 
> performance, all made possible by the return of the magician , Pablo 
> Hernandez, who was sublime and went through their back line like the 
> proverbial knife through butter. He was a joy to watch and when he plays like 
> this you wonder what he is doing in this Division. How we have missed him 
> especially at home when faced with a team who pack the defence and come for a 
> draw.
> The other returnee, Kemar Roofe, also proved , yet again, that he is a centre 
> forward not a winger, and when he is allowed to play up top he gets results, 
> this time a lovely timed header when he got between the 2 defenders and met a 
> brilliant cross by Pablo - the finish very similar to the goal v Derby (?) He 
> buzzed around and caused them problems all evening.
> Everyone played their part last night, with all 3 subs also doing well. 
> Dallas showed what he can still offer something going forward and had one 
> attempt just wide and one lovely run when he actually took on and beat two 
> defenders. Pearce showed that he does still have a future- like the rest of 
> us he must have wondered why he did not get the nod ahead of Dallas when 
> Douglas got injured. Forshaw fitted into the system as if he was born into it 
> and also went close with a rasping drive, he replaced the slightly subdued 
> Saiz and kept the ball moving with little Batty-esque type passing and 
> interceptions. 
> 
> We could have had a hatful with Alisoki coming closest to adding to the total 
> with a great run and shot that came back from the inside of the post - he was 
> another player who was back to his best last night , with a cross in the 
> first half nearly causing a goal as the keeper could only parry it back into 
> the danger zone.
> The second goal and the one that eased all our tension off the pitch and led 
> to total capitulation from Ipswich on it, was brilliant and well worked - a 
> short corner came back to Pablo and his cross was superbly dummied by 
> Phillips(?) and fell to Cooper who side footed it with his right from the 
> edge of the box - yes League -One Liam as some call him finsihed with real 
> skill and aplomb. That ended the game as a contest (if it ever was, since all 
>  they managed was one easily saved header in the first half and were almost 
> gifted a goal by Ayling right at the death) and it became almost a procession 
> of us coming forward and having pot shots and scrambles - their keeper was 
> their man of the match (and beaten only by Pablo for THE MoM)
> It was a perfect response to the Blackburn defeat - a bit worrying that 
> Berardi went off , presumably injured but with Bielsa, who knows it could 
> have been tactical. Bielsa again used his subs wisely and excitingly making a 
> double sub with over 30mins to go and no more cards to play. I love the way 
> he re-acts to what is happening on the pitch - some managers seem to pre-plan 
> the sub one striker for another on 60 mins every game or making no subs at 
> all until time wasting at the end of a game.
> With other results going our way this week - Boro being held at home by 
> Rotherham and West Brom getting hammered at home by Derby means 'we are 
> top'the league, say we are top'the league' - these results confirming what we 
> already knew , this League is totally competitive and any result is possible 
> in any match. This also elevates our performance and result last night - Man 
> City v Cardiff or whoever is top and bottom of the Prem is pretty much a 
> nailed on home win, that is not the case in the Championship (look at 
> Birmingham turning us over when we were top and they were bottom or next to 
> bottom) so beating Ipswich whilst expected was in no way a foregone 
> conclusion and we needed to be at or near our best to do it, and that is what 
> we were, back to 

[LU] Beer ban to be lifted ?

2018-10-25 Thread nat...@sky.com
Just seen a very brief report on SSN that Shaun Harvey is trying to get the ban 
lifted on alcohol being drunk inside the stadium in view of the pitchHe says 
'crowd behaviour has changed since the ban was imposed and is now draconian'
Given that there are grounds when Leeds fans cannot get a drink inside the 
ground at any time I cannot see the police agreeing to lift the ban. I think 
they will argue that the ban has worked so why lift it and point to some issues 
that occur in the concourse when drink is flowing (sometimes flowing through 
the air)
It will be interesting to say the least
Dave
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Re: [LU] Ipswich report

2018-10-25 Thread Nicholas Armit via Leedslist
 Not to be negative but I thought Ayling was poor. I think to play Bielsaball 
you need to be a thinking footballer and Ayling ain't one. He is best when he 
plays quick and direct. As soon as he stops and has to think he makes mistakes.
Nick


On Thursday, October 25, 2018, 5:46:08 AM EDT, nat...@sky.com 
 wrote:  
 
 "United are back, United are back"
Well those of you who thought that we had been 'rumbled' may have to re-think 
things after a totally dominant display and a real return to the peak 
'Bielasball' last night - albeit against a very poor team who were low on 
confidence
Two slight moans - first, the crowd, whislt good in terms of numbers was as 
quiet during the first half as I can remember (practice for the Prem?) Secondly 
the fact that despite it being shooting practice at the end and almost the 
oldkids game of attack v defence we only managed 2 goals
However these two gripes are totally overshadowed by a tremendous performance, 
all made possible by the return of the magician , Pablo Hernandez, who was 
sublime and went through their back line like the proverbial knife through 
butter. He was a joy to watch and when he plays like this you wonder what he is 
doing in this Division. How we have missed him especially at home when faced 
with a team who pack the defence and come for a draw.
The other returnee, Kemar Roofe, also proved , yet again, that he is a centre 
forward not a winger, and when he is allowed to play up top he gets results, 
this time a lovely timed header when he got between the 2 defenders and met a 
brilliant cross by Pablo - the finish very similar to the goal v Derby (?) He 
buzzed around and caused them problems all evening.
Everyone played their part last night, with all 3 subs also doing well. Dallas 
showed what he can still offer something going forward and had one attempt just 
wide and one lovely run when he actually took on and beat two defenders. Pearce 
showed that he does still have a future- like the rest of us he must have 
wondered why he did not get the nod ahead of Dallas when Douglas got injured. 
Forshaw fitted into the system as if he was born into it and also went close 
with a rasping drive, he replaced the slightly subdued Saiz and kept the ball 
moving with little Batty-esque type passing and interceptions. 

We could have had a hatful with Alisoki coming closest to adding to the total 
with a great run and shot that came back from the inside of the post - he was 
another player who was back to his best last night , with a cross in the first 
half nearly causing a goal as the keeper could only parry it back into the 
danger zone.
The second goal and the one that eased all our tension off the pitch and led to 
total capitulation from Ipswich on it, was brilliant and well worked - a short 
corner came back to Pablo and his cross was superbly dummied by Phillips(?) and 
fell to Cooper who side footed it with his right from the edge of the box - yes 
League -One Liam as some call him finsihed with real skill and aplomb. That 
ended the game as a contest (if it ever was, since all  they managed was one 
easily saved header in the first half and were almost gifted a goal by Ayling 
right at the death) and it became almost a procession of us coming forward and 
having pot shots and scrambles - their keeper was their man of the match (and 
beaten only by Pablo for THE MoM)
It was a perfect response to the Blackburn defeat - a bit worrying that Berardi 
went off , presumably injured but with Bielsa, who knows it could have been 
tactical. Bielsa again used his subs wisely and excitingly making a double sub 
with over 30mins to go and no more cards to play. I love the way he re-acts to 
what is happening on the pitch - some managers seem to pre-plan the sub one 
striker for another on 60 mins every game or making no subs at all until time 
wasting at the end of a game.
With other results going our way this week - Boro being held at home by 
Rotherham and West Brom getting hammered at home by Derby means 'we are top'the 
league, say we are top'the league' - these results confirming what we already 
knew , this League is totally competitive and any result is possible in any 
match. This also elevates our performance and result last night - Man City v 
Cardiff or whoever is top and bottom of the Prem is pretty much a nailed on 
home win, that is not the case in the Championship (look at Birmingham turning 
us over when we were top and they were bottom or next to bottom) so beating 
Ipswich whilst expected was in no way a foregone conclusion and we needed to be 
at or near our best to do it, and that is what we were, back to our best
So onwards and upwards - with Forest to come Saturday evening - we will know by 
kick off what we need to stay top but I am confident if we can play like we did 
last night that no-one in this Division will beat us , so it is all about 
whether we play to our full potential. If Pablo plays like he did yesterday and 
Roofe 

[LU] 0 5 ft

2018-10-25 Thread nat...@sky.com
So a 5 0 victory away from home with arguably the 3 best players missingThe 5th 
was by Edmondson again - a lovely move down the left by Jordan Stevens who 
backheeled it to Oduor whose cross was met by Edmondson , he hit it onto the 
keepers right hand post and then re-acted first to head the rebound into the 
other corner
A few good performances on what I watched - Oduor at left back was good going 
forward, Stevens and Gotts both look decent, Shaunessey must have had more 
touches than anyone but too many went astray for my liking and then upfront 
Edmondson bagged another brace. I will watch his career with interest. As we 
know he is still a teenager and is a big unit . At times he can look cumbersome 
and sluggish but he did show a neat touch and one impressive turn of speed. He 
gets in lots of goal scoring positions and has a 50/50 success rate , he 
certainly knows how to score. He has a bit of the Lee Chapman about him without 
the kamikaze diving headers.  If he keeps fit he will have a career in football 
but I am still not sure if he can make it at the top or even the Championship 
or if he will be a 4th Division bully. He does look more mobile and with a 
better eye for goal than Matt Smith so who knows. Hopefully he will get the odd 
substitute appearance in the first team and maybe start in the FACup depending 
on opposition
Dave
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[LU] Yippee - saw one

2018-10-25 Thread nat...@sky.com
4 up now - Sam Dalby with a tap in - a long cross field ball found Oduor who 
volleyed a cross into the box and Dalby scrambled it home (but I saw it !)
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[LU] u23s at a canter

2018-10-25 Thread nat...@sky.com
3 up at half time away at Notts CountyGoals from Edmondson (he knows where the 
goal is at this level)Oduor and GottsI am only half watching on app on phone 
and have managed to miss all 3 goals (no replays) so no idea how we scored them 
!
Dave
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[LU] u23s

2018-10-25 Thread nat...@sky.com
I note that Clarke, Pearce and Shackleton are not involved for u23s (but 
Edmondson is- as is Shaunessey) - so they may well all be in the squad for 
Forest game ?
I thought Pearce did OK last night and Clarke has looked impressive in his 2 
cameo appearances - I do note that Bielsa has said Clarke is more likely to be 
an impact sub than a starter in the near future - like many I thought he may be 
brought on last night in place of Pearce
Dave
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Re: [LU] Ipswich report

2018-10-25 Thread Richard Naef

>The real test will come this weekend though.  Cos there's no getting around 
>the fact that so far, 5 of our 7 wins are against teams who're >currently in 
>the bottom 8!

True, but our 2 of our 3 best performances were against Derby & Norwich, top 6, 
the other against Stoke, who have a very decent squad.


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Re: [LU]   Ipswich report

2018-10-25 Thread Paul Reeve via Leedslist



Thanks Dave for the report, lots of positives... I like that!


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4. Goal Roofe (John Boocock)
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A good read;

https://www.talesfrom.com/our-books/tales-from-elland-road


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Leeds1 Ipswich 0 Roofe 22 mins


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Subject: [LU] Ipswich report
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"United are back, United are back"
Well those of you who thought that we had been 'rumbled' may have to re-think 
things after a totally dominant display and a real return to the peak 
'Bielasball' last night - albeit against a very poor team who were low on 
confidence
Two slight moans - first, the crowd, whislt good in terms of numbers was as 
quiet during the first half as I can remember (practice for the Prem?) Secondly 
the fact that despite it being shooting practice at the end and almost the 
oldkids game of attack v defence we only managed 2 goals
However these two gripes are totally overshadowed by a tremendous performance, 
all made possible by the return of the magician , Pablo Hernandez, who was 
sublime and went through their back line like the proverbial knife through 
butter. He was a joy to watch and when he plays like this you wonder what he is 
doing in this Division. How we have missed him especially at home when faced 
with a team who pack the defence and come for a draw.
The other returnee, Kemar Roofe, also proved , yet again, that he is a centre 
forward not a winger, and when he is allowed to play up top he gets results, 
this time a lovely timed header when he got between the 2 defenders and met a 
brilliant cross by Pablo - the finish very similar to the goal v Derby (?) He 
buzzed around and caused them problems all evening.
Everyone played their part last night, with all 3 subs also doing well. Dallas showed what he can still offer something going forward and had one attempt just wide and one lovely run when he actually took on and beat two defenders. Pearce showed that he does still have a future- like the rest of us he must have wondered why he did not get the nod ahead of Dallas when Douglas got injured. Forshaw fitted into the system as if he was born into it and also went close with a rasping drive, he replaced the slightly subdued Saiz and kept the ball moving with little Batty-esque type passing and interceptions. 


We could have had a hatful with Alisoki coming closest to adding to the total 
with a great run and shot that came back from the inside of the post - he was 
another player who was back to his best last night , with a cross in the first 
half nearly causing a goal as the keeper could only parry it back into the 
danger zone.
The second goal and the one that eased all our tension off the pitch and led to 
total capitulation from Ipswich on it, was brilliant and well worked - a short 
corner came back to Pablo and his cross was superbly dummied by Phillips(?) and 
fell to Cooper who side footed it with his right from the edge of the box - yes 
League -One Liam as some call him finsihed with real skill and aplomb. That 
ended the game as a contest (if it ever was, since all  they managed was one 

Re: [LU] Ipswich report

2018-10-25 Thread Nigel Sykes
It was certainly good to see us not look clueless again. Amazing how two 
players whom I didn't rate much last season could turn out to be so influential 
for us this one.

The real test will come this weekend though.  Cos there's no getting around the 
fact that so far, 5 of our 7 wins are against teams who're currently in the 
bottom 8!

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of 
nat...@sky.com
Sent: 25 October 2018 10:46
To: Leeds List
Subject: [LU] Ipswich report

"United are back, United are back"
Well those of you who thought that we had been 'rumbled' may have to re-think 
things after a totally dominant display and a real return to the peak 
'Bielasball' last night - albeit against a very poor team who were low on 
confidence
Two slight moans - first, the crowd, whislt good in terms of numbers was as 
quiet during the first half as I can remember (practice for the Prem?) Secondly 
the fact that despite it being shooting practice at the end and almost the 
oldkids game of attack v defence we only managed 2 goals
However these two gripes are totally overshadowed by a tremendous performance, 
all made possible by the return of the magician , Pablo Hernandez, who was 
sublime and went through their back line like the proverbial knife through 
butter. He was a joy to watch and when he plays like this you wonder what he is 
doing in this Division. How we have missed him especially at home when faced 
with a team who pack the defence and come for a draw.
The other returnee, Kemar Roofe, also proved , yet again, that he is a centre 
forward not a winger, and when he is allowed to play up top he gets results, 
this time a lovely timed header when he got between the 2 defenders and met a 
brilliant cross by Pablo - the finish very similar to the goal v Derby (?) He 
buzzed around and caused them problems all evening.
Everyone played their part last night, with all 3 subs also doing well. Dallas 
showed what he can still offer something going forward and had one attempt just 
wide and one lovely run when he actually took on and beat two defenders. Pearce 
showed that he does still have a future- like the rest of us he must have 
wondered why he did not get the nod ahead of Dallas when Douglas got injured. 
Forshaw fitted into the system as if he was born into it and also went close 
with a rasping drive, he replaced the slightly subdued Saiz and kept the ball 
moving with little Batty-esque type passing and interceptions. 

We could have had a hatful with Alisoki coming closest to adding to the total 
with a great run and shot that came back from the inside of the post - he was 
another player who was back to his best last night , with a cross in the first 
half nearly causing a goal as the keeper could only parry it back into the 
danger zone.
The second goal and the one that eased all our tension off the pitch and led to 
total capitulation from Ipswich on it, was brilliant and well worked - a short 
corner came back to Pablo and his cross was superbly dummied by Phillips(?) and 
fell to Cooper who side footed it with his right from the edge of the box - yes 
League -One Liam as some call him finsihed with real skill and aplomb. That 
ended the game as a contest (if it ever was, since all  they managed was one 
easily saved header in the first half and were almost gifted a goal by Ayling 
right at the death) and it became almost a procession of us coming forward and 
having pot shots and scrambles - their keeper was their man of the match (and 
beaten only by Pablo for THE MoM)
It was a perfect response to the Blackburn defeat - a bit worrying that Berardi 
went off , presumably injured but with Bielsa, who knows it could have been 
tactical. Bielsa again used his subs wisely and excitingly making a double sub 
with over 30mins to go and no more cards to play. I love the way he re-acts to 
what is happening on the pitch - some managers seem to pre-plan the sub one 
striker for another on 60 mins every game or making no subs at all until time 
wasting at the end of a game.
With other results going our way this week - Boro being held at home by 
Rotherham and West Brom getting hammered at home by Derby means 'we are top'the 
league, say we are top'the league' - these results confirming what we already 
knew , this League is totally competitive and any result is possible in any 
match. This also elevates our performance and result last night - Man City v 
Cardiff or whoever is top and bottom of the Prem is pretty much a nailed on 
home win, that is not the case in the Championship (look at Birmingham turning 
us over when we were top and they were bottom or next to bottom) so beating 
Ipswich whilst expected was in no way a foregone conclusion and we needed to be 
at or near our best to do it, and that is what we were, back to our best
So onwards and upwards - with Forest to come Saturday evening - we will know by 
kick off what we 

[LU] Ipswich report

2018-10-25 Thread nat...@sky.com
"United are back, United are back"
Well those of you who thought that we had been 'rumbled' may have to re-think 
things after a totally dominant display and a real return to the peak 
'Bielasball' last night - albeit against a very poor team who were low on 
confidence
Two slight moans - first, the crowd, whislt good in terms of numbers was as 
quiet during the first half as I can remember (practice for the Prem?) Secondly 
the fact that despite it being shooting practice at the end and almost the 
oldkids game of attack v defence we only managed 2 goals
However these two gripes are totally overshadowed by a tremendous performance, 
all made possible by the return of the magician , Pablo Hernandez, who was 
sublime and went through their back line like the proverbial knife through 
butter. He was a joy to watch and when he plays like this you wonder what he is 
doing in this Division. How we have missed him especially at home when faced 
with a team who pack the defence and come for a draw.
The other returnee, Kemar Roofe, also proved , yet again, that he is a centre 
forward not a winger, and when he is allowed to play up top he gets results, 
this time a lovely timed header when he got between the 2 defenders and met a 
brilliant cross by Pablo - the finish very similar to the goal v Derby (?) He 
buzzed around and caused them problems all evening.
Everyone played their part last night, with all 3 subs also doing well. Dallas 
showed what he can still offer something going forward and had one attempt just 
wide and one lovely run when he actually took on and beat two defenders. Pearce 
showed that he does still have a future- like the rest of us he must have 
wondered why he did not get the nod ahead of Dallas when Douglas got injured. 
Forshaw fitted into the system as if he was born into it and also went close 
with a rasping drive, he replaced the slightly subdued Saiz and kept the ball 
moving with little Batty-esque type passing and interceptions. 

We could have had a hatful with Alisoki coming closest to adding to the total 
with a great run and shot that came back from the inside of the post - he was 
another player who was back to his best last night , with a cross in the first 
half nearly causing a goal as the keeper could only parry it back into the 
danger zone.
The second goal and the one that eased all our tension off the pitch and led to 
total capitulation from Ipswich on it, was brilliant and well worked - a short 
corner came back to Pablo and his cross was superbly dummied by Phillips(?) and 
fell to Cooper who side footed it with his right from the edge of the box - yes 
League -One Liam as some call him finsihed with real skill and aplomb. That 
ended the game as a contest (if it ever was, since all  they managed was one 
easily saved header in the first half and were almost gifted a goal by Ayling 
right at the death) and it became almost a procession of us coming forward and 
having pot shots and scrambles - their keeper was their man of the match (and 
beaten only by Pablo for THE MoM)
It was a perfect response to the Blackburn defeat - a bit worrying that Berardi 
went off , presumably injured but with Bielsa, who knows it could have been 
tactical. Bielsa again used his subs wisely and excitingly making a double sub 
with over 30mins to go and no more cards to play. I love the way he re-acts to 
what is happening on the pitch - some managers seem to pre-plan the sub one 
striker for another on 60 mins every game or making no subs at all until time 
wasting at the end of a game.
With other results going our way this week - Boro being held at home by 
Rotherham and West Brom getting hammered at home by Derby means 'we are top'the 
league, say we are top'the league' - these results confirming what we already 
knew , this League is totally competitive and any result is possible in any 
match. This also elevates our performance and result last night - Man City v 
Cardiff or whoever is top and bottom of the Prem is pretty much a nailed on 
home win, that is not the case in the Championship (look at Birmingham turning 
us over when we were top and they were bottom or next to bottom) so beating 
Ipswich whilst expected was in no way a foregone conclusion and we needed to be 
at or near our best to do it, and that is what we were, back to our best
So onwards and upwards - with Forest to come Saturday evening - we will know by 
kick off what we need to stay top but I am confident if we can play like we did 
last night that no-one in this Division will beat us , so it is all about 
whether we play to our full potential. If Pablo plays like he did yesterday and 
Roofe continues to bang them in , we are going to remember this season for a 
long time
So to sum up, last night was brilliant and the bounce back we needed, 'rumbled' 
I don't think so -keep the faith, the future is white !
Dave
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