Re: [LU] 32 years ago today...

[Nigel Sykes]

   I probably remember it more than most. I listened to it with a ghetto
   blaster on my shoulder while walking on the beach, it being the day
   after I got married! Still not sure all my Leeds supporting mates have
   forgiven me for making them be in Ireland that weekend.

   Nigel

   (the Dublin one)

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Re: [LU] VPN

[Nigel Sykes]

   Yes, it's possible. I use France and IPVanish.

   Nigel

   (The Dublin one)

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Re: [LU] Dave Dowden.

[Nigel Barber]

Oh man! RIP Dave. A man who lived life to the full - a true inspiration. So
many hilarious stories from his travels. Never let the Lards down. I
remember him jumping off his bike and straight on the pitch in 'dam ;-)

Nigel



On Mon, 9 Jan 2023 at 19:10, John Boocock  wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> Quite a few of you will know that lister and member of the Leeds Lards
> worldnet team, Dave 'Lido' Dowden has been ill with cancer this past two
> years. His illness finally got the better of him late on Sunday night. He
> was at home with his family having turned what was a six month assessment
> into two very full years.
>
> Those of you who knew Dave would know that he was a devoted Leeds fan but
> there was so much more to him. He was a munroist, he enjoyed cycling, and
> took an active part in politics in Pudsey. In recent years he was a leading
> light in the Pudsey Greenside Greenway project. He also liked a good fire!
>
> A committed traveller, there were few places he had not visited and anyone
> who shared those trips will confirm that they were always er, eventful. He
> made many of the matches abroad during our most recent European campaigns
> and quite a few of us shared those trips. (Anyone going to the Barca game
> will remember him and Chris Fitz staying above a sex shop which they were
> convinced was run by nuns).
>
> I can not begin to list all the adventures, stories and mishaps he was
> involved in (he was short of a big toe after an accident with a lawn
> mower). One thing I can say is they were many. Maybe one day someone will
> collect them.
>
> Anyway, he now joins the other listers in the great list retirement home
> in the sky. Dave was a one off and will never be forgotten.
>
> Betty
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Re: [LU] VIlla

[nigel]

Bleak. But, well... yeah.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Michael Benjamin
Sent: 11 March 2022 13:57
To: Richard Walker ; nat...@sky.com; Robert Heath 

Cc: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: Re: [LU] VIlla

This game came at the end of a tough week, and I was watching it, convinced 
that we were going to lose because everything else had gone wrong. All the 
same, we were appalling, and I am convinced there is no way we can avoid 
relegation. We don't deserve to avoid relegation; we are a dreadful team 
playing dreadful football.
At the end of the day, the management has proven itself an abysmal failure. 
When they were taking Bielsa, they knew that the guy was like a Benzedrine 
tablet; he would get you up, and then there would be a crash. They waited for 
the crash instead of avoiding it. Bielsa should have gone at Christmas; we 
should have bought at Christmas and had a new manager in by Christmas. None of 
this was done, and we are left with a catastrophic aftermath.
This is the Leeds way of doing everything look as if you can and then prove 
that you can't. Always drama never victories any pride and lots of disgrace.
The only silver lining I see is that it will be getting out of the division, 
which is a hive of mercenary scum and assorted murderers and international 
thieves. The 2nd division is more about football and cities with football 
teams. You can't say that about the Premier League, and I will be glad to be 
out of it in many respects. It is not the old 1st division; it is nothing like 
it. So why pretend? We are a shit team and we don't deserve to be in the 
Premier League, and the Premier League doesn't deserve to exist anyway.


Dr Michael Benjamin,
Community Psychiatrist.
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-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Walker via 
Leedslist
Sent: Friday, 11 March 2022 15:46
To: nat...@sky.com; Robert Heath 
Cc: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: Re: [LU] VIlla

 I agree that good footballers can and should be able to adapt to many 
different positions however there are very few central defenders in the PL that 
are comfortable in midfield. Koch is not one of them. Fish out of water and I'm 
surprised you can't see it. 
On Friday, 11 March 2022, 11:08:41 GMT, Robert Heath 
 wrote:  
 
 As I've already written, I was as appalled as everybody else about last night.
However, I would like to throw in a couple of caveats which might constitute 
glimmers of hope:1. One positive was that we did look good for the 1st 10 mins 
of the 2nd half, which means it seems the players did respond to him. If we 
could have just got an equaliser ...got the crowd on our side...who 
knows?2. I actually agree with the idea of Koch where he was last night. I 
think it was an attempt to maybe play a defensive block of 4 + 1 in a bid to 
make sure we didn't ship a shitload of goals again ("hollow laughter"). This 
bloody "ooh our manager plays players out of position" line drives me mad. 
(Just like all the drivel that is written about positions in the batting order 
for the England cricket team.) If you're a good footballer (which believe it or 
not all these lads are) you can play anywhere. Pep Guardiola has said this 
about Foden.he doesn't play a position, he plays football.
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 10:34 AM nattan--- via Leedslist  
wrote:

 Odd that I did my report before I read yours and we both said it should be 
Ayling at right back, Koch at centre back, and Dallas in midfield.  If we can 
see that ( and I dont claim any great knowhow or insight into  tactics etc) 
then why cant the manager Yes Bielsa did the same with thses players at times 
but it was when the proper player was unfit and in a formation and way of 
playing that they all knew and understood Jesse's reign may be shortlived - is 
it more than 44 days to the end of the season?  thinking Clough after he 
replaced a legend - not sure what our ' record's is now Dave
On Friday, 11 March 2022, 10:19:21 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  

  I agree - we didn't have a best player as such but I thought second half Raph 
was on the ball a lot and was initiating a lot fo good cross field balls which 
is not normally what he does but he was trying to adapt. System is horrible and 
just doesn't suit us. It's a massive deviation from Bielsa .. chalk and cheese
On Friday, 11 March 2022, 09:56:02 GMT, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:  

 Only area of disagreement with Rich is Rapha - we didn’t have a best player 
last night - aside from 5 minutes in the second half he did little to nowt, and 
I was surprised he didn’t get sent off. 

Bizarrely, imho, one player we are missing is Cooper - he might be too slow at 
times, but general

Re: [LU] Official hes gone

[Nigel Goodman]

y iPad
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 27 Feb 2022, at 12:11, Michael Benjamin  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Guys, let us be clear-headed. 
>>>>>>> Marcelo, the man, is one thing. But as to our nigh on the moribund 
>>>>>>> state -- was he part of the problem or part of the solution? No one 
>>>>>>> knows-so why gamble? 
>>>>>>> It took courage to hire him and the same courage to fire him.  
>>>>>>> We need to accept the decision and move forward. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dr  Michael Benjamin, 
>>>>>>> Community Psychiatrist.
>>>>>>> Oranit,
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>>> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Ted
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 27 February 2022 14:01
>>>>>>> To: Robert Heath 
>>>>>>> Cc: Leeds List 
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: Official hes gone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm absolutely gutted.
>>>>>>> Not only a shameful decision by Radrizzani but a wrong one in my 
>>>>>>> opinion.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I loved everything about Bielsa - we'll never see the like of him again.
>>>>>>> These last 3 to 4 years has been brilliant, it just won't be the same.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm seriously thinking of jacking it in.
>>>>>>> 
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Re: [LU] Official hes gone

[Nigel Goodman]

Im truely heartbroken. I could face going down with him in charge. He gave our 
club its heart, its soul, its identity and its pride. We’ve lost so much 
> On 27 Feb 2022, at 7:11 pm, nattan--- via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
>  A big decision , they had better be correct,Awful if we go down now 
> DaveA Bielsa lover for ever
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Re: [LU] Streams?

[Nigel Goodman]

 Aw.
 Come on Dr Mike, Keep the faith and remember what happened 50 years ago! 
I’m an optimistic realist. And living in my WA bubble I live in hope. I think 
its, pretty much nailed on that we won’t play as badly as we did against the 
toffees, and I dont think manure can play as well as they did earlier this 
season.
 ALAW


> On 18 Feb 2022, at 5:57 pm, Michael Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> I am not sure that I want to see this one
> ☹
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> Dr  Michael Benjamin, 
> Community Psychiatrist.
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> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Nigel Sykes
> Sent: Friday, 18 February 2022 10:26
> To: Robert Heath ; Leeds List 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Streams?
> 
>   I always use vipboxtv.se. You have to put up with it launching crap on
>   new tabs half the time you click anything, but if you just ignore them
>   or close them and keep trying, eventually you get a decent stream.
> 
>   Nigel
> 
>   (the Dublin one)
> 
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Re: [LU] Streams?

[Nigel Sykes]

   I always use vipboxtv.se. You have to put up with it launching crap on
   new tabs half the time you click anything, but if you just ignore them
   or close them and keep trying, eventually you get a decent stream.

   Nigel

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Re: [LU] Fulham vs Leeds Highlights

[nigel]

I'm not sure I've ever seen highlights that didn't show a single, normal-time 
chance for one of the teams before? We did have chances, right?  I mean, I 
watched the game - I didn't dream Rodrigo missing those efforts did I?

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of john
Sent: 22 September 2021 08:42
To: leedslist 
Subject: [LU] Fulham vs Leeds Highlights

Hopefully everyone can see this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zJu9CbnwNxcSent 
from the passenger seat of an imaginary Austin A40..
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Re: [LU] The healthy of this list - some musings!

[nigel]

Well said nif!

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of N If
Sent: 18 September 2021 14:37
To: leedslist 
Subject: [LU] The healthy of this list - some musings!

Rarely read the real list nowadays, but wouldn't do without regularly chatting 
with our listers on Whatsapp - where there was recently a post about 'imagined 
communities'.  The bond and love I feel for this community is powerful, and I 
often refer to comments from listers as 'one of my friends said..." or 'my 
friends are saying...'  Certainly, I feel a greater sense of belonging, than I 
ever did amongst the misogynist, racist guys on the supporters bus on the way 
home from an away game (The same guys that I'd hugged as we sang We Are Leeds 
and All Leeds Are We MOT at the game).
No, like Latvian John, I met everynweek at our spot on the Kop, the list is my 
mates. And I feel proud to be part of it.  Many great contributors over the 
years, I have my own favourites; as you said James, Dave and Richard's reports 
have been vital, as has Betty's stewardship.  Love you all.  sniff.
Cheers
nif
Cheers
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Re: [LU] FT 1-1

[Nigel]

Thought first half we were nearly back on track. The barcodes are really shit. 
There was no power and little direction to our shooting, and our defence was 
poor. I did enjoy the first 43 minutes, it was good entertainment value. Our 
defence is looking thin, maybe we can resign Berra !!

MOT
   Cheers, Nigel 

> On 18 Sep 2021, at 4:59 am, john  wrote:
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Re: [LU] LU The List?

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Re: [LU] Terry Cooper R.I.P.

[Nigel Goodman]

Farewell Top Cat. Thanks for all the memories, specially that goal against the 
arse. A
lways wondered if he got his Dulux white paint from Paul  Madeley

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Re: [LU] Wrighty interviews KP

[Nigel Goodman]

 Thanks for the link
ALAW

> On 17 Apr 2021, at 11:45 pm, Wiggy  wrote:
> 
> https://youtu.be/qQry3k62hzs
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Re: [LU] Google - top Leeds United questions, allegedly?

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Course we are
   MOT

> On 5 Feb 2021, at 7:26 pm, James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via Leedslist 
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> 
> I use Google to check Leeds fixtures but also the Premier League table.  I 
> know I can do better but it's most convenient...
> 
> However, when I looked just now, I also spied the following:
> 
> 
> "People also ask:
> 
> Are Leeds fans hooligans?
> Will Leeds United stay up?
> What are Leeds United's remaining fixtures?
> Who is the best Leeds player?"
> 
> 
> WTF - Are Leeds fans hooligans?
> 
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Re: [LU] Guy Thornton

[Nigel Barber]

Guy was a joyful imp. Permanently cheerful, despite his numerous physical
discomforts. A true inspiration.

As a `dam noob, in the raw old pre-Airbnb days, he helpfully located a good
hotel for me to book. Only on arrival did we discover it was right on the
main drag in the red light district. The place was immaculate, with a great
view ;-) I couldn't wait to thank him when we met to sink a few gorgeous
beers in some amazing bars. I've been in love with the place ever since.

Thanks Guy, it was a privilege to know you.

RIP mate.


On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 at 11:44, alan.edgar--- via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> Even before his cancer diagnosis, Guy's health issues didn't permit him to
> participate on the pitch in the Lard's annual Amsterdam tournament in the
> last decade, but he was always there for moral support and the post-match
> beer sessions - the cancellation of the June 2020 tournament makes it 18
> months since I last saw him.
> The 2019 Amsterdam post-match beer session started with the Lards watching
> Leeds beat Derby 1-0 in the first leg of the play-off and afterwards I
> arranged with Guy to meet up for the 2nd leg back in a pub in London as he
> was there for work the following week.
> Football-wise, not an occasion to recall with any fondness, but we agreed
> afterwards that it had been a great season and we were finally on the right
> track - at least he has been able to experience our return to the
> Premiership playing the sort of football we can all appreciate.
> He was also a big cycling fan and a few of us on the list would converse
> on-line about the Grand Tours and the Classics throughout the year.
> Awful news in these appalling times - RIP Guy.
> Cheers, Al
>
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 20:08:54 +
> From: Wiggy 
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] Guy Thornton
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8
>
> Some really sad news just in from Amsterdam. Guy Thornton passed away
> today.
>
> He’d recently been diagnosed with cancer and had just had his first chemo
> treatment.
>
> Will pass on more info as I hear it.
>
> Wiggy
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

[nigel]

For possibly the first time under Bielsa, I think we are putting out the best 
team we can, given our personnel. The players who infuriated me week after week 
(e.g. Costa) are finally out of the starting lineup. Yes, what remains isn't 
going to win the league, but with Bielsa's magic touch I'm confident that 
they're good enough to be mid-table in this league, which is good enough for 
me, this year.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Nicholas Armit via 
Leedslist
Sent: 06 December 2020 21:51
To: Ed Morrish ; n...@6haroldplace.co.uk
Cc: list leedslist 
Subject: Re: [LU] Chelsea

 Yep good comment again. We were outplayed yesterday and there were players who 
clearly struggled. No harm in discussing that.
Nick
On Sunday, December 6, 2020, 12:25:00 PM EST, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
 wrote:  
 
 I think you’re not taking it in the spirit intended, certainly by me at any 
rate. I love the way we are playing and the players doing it, but there’s no 
harm in recognising a bit of reality when you see it - all in context. Of 
course I’ll take 17th.

Sent from my iPad

> On 6 Dec 2020, at 16:41, Ed Morrish  wrote:
> 
> I’m finding the tone of the criticism of some of our players a little 
> dispiriting. Are they Champions League players? Probably not. But the 
> alternative to them is to bring in an entirely new squad at great risk and 
> expense. Personally, I’m proud of how well they’ve played so far, making the 
> absolute most of their ability at 100% commitment to our club. Yes, they’ll 
> slowly be replaced over the next few seasons as better alternatives come 
> along - but I don’t think it’s on to slag them off, as it were... 
> 
> Let’s face it, if you’d offered us 17th on goal difference at the start of 
> the season we’d have at least thought about it. It looks like we’re going to 
> do better than that, so let’s give them credit for that.
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Re: [LU] Wolves

[nigel]

The stats say we had 2 shots on target. One was Rodders in the first half, with 
a soft shot straight at the keeper. I assume the other came from Raph's blocked 
cross just after he came on?

Nigel
(the Dublin one) 

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Nicholas Armit via 
Leedslist
Sent: 20 October 2020 20:40
To: Jim Moran ; Richard Walker 
Cc: leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] Wolves

 Definitely one from Rodrigo (could have done better I thought) and thought 
there was another (but could be senility)
On Tuesday, October 20, 2020, 03:37:26 PM EDT, Richard Walker 
 wrote:  
 
 There were plenty of positives but we were well beaten by a better team. I’m 
struggling to remember those saves. I think you might be confusing save with 
picking the ball up.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Tuesday, October 20, 2020, 8:26 pm, Nicholas Armit  wrote:

 Their goalie made two saves...directly at him but two saves. Also they had a 
goal rightly disallowed, one great save from Meslier and the goal. Besides that 
nothing else I believe. Rich I think you are being extremely critical here we 
were killing them the first 25-30 with really great play.
And I actually think that was a clear penalty. Soft but he had an arm on Costa 
and tripped him.
Nick
On Tuesday, October 20, 2020, 03:20:52 PM EDT, Jim Moran 
 wrote:  
 
 Apart from the two shots on goal, and the (I hate it) greater expected goals, 
and that had Phillips left the shot alone we’d have drawn 0-0, which would have 
been a deserved draw. Tight game. Any result would have been “deserved” or 
fair. On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 at 20:07, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:

Not sure how anyone can say we deserved a draw or at least a draw when their 
keeper has not made a save all night ? I thought we were out thought and out 
played by a very good side.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Tuesday, October 20, 2020, 3:46 pm, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist 
 wrote:

 No I hot that you were just commenting on what other fans said (saw the same 
thing on Twitter somewhere). What they are saying is total bollocks what you 
are saying is lucid, well-thought out and backed by evidence.
;-)
Nick
On Tuesday, October 20, 2020, 10:44:03 AM EDT, Nick 
 wrote:  

 yeah - you’ve misunderstood me there…but hey… I was talking about what the 
fans of other teams were saying about our style of play…which, in case it 
hasn’t been clear, I am a huge fan of.
We’ve lost 2 out 5 so far - league winners needed two penalties - last night 
this solid Premier league outfit needed a lucky deflection…we are going to be 
OK here.
Nick


On 20 Oct 2020, at 15:02, Nicholas Armit  wrote:
 Total bollocks.
On Tuesday, October 20, 2020, 05:59:40 AM EDT, Nick 
 wrote:  

 "all Leeds do is run, run, run”…is a bit like saying all Spain / Barcelona did 
was pass, pass, pass…

get in and stop them…do something better…

N 

> On 20 Oct 2020, at 09:47, Michael Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> "all Leeds do is run, run, run", and to some extent they're right

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Re: [LU] Wolves

[nigel]

I'm not massively downhearted about the loss. They happen. 

I do however continue to be perplexed at our lack of ability to cross the ball 
with any hint of ability. This has been an ongoing, glaringly obvious issue for 
all our time under Bielsa, yet not only do we not seem able to sort it out, we 
actively continue to play an attacking game which relies almost entirely on it. 
 Our repeated, patient, build-up play allows the opposition to regroup and mass 
in defense, and then when we eventually get the ball to a 'winger', the 
resulting cross pretty much never hits a white shirt.  We had what, three(?) 
last night that got into a dangerous area (one on Rodders' head that he should 
have done better with, one that they cleared off Paddy's foot for what should 
have been a corner, and one from Raph with his first touch after coming on). 
That may well be all that's needed on another day, but it was probably less 
than 10% of the crosses we attempted.

On the whole, the biggest frustration is that when we attack I have a sense of 
inevitability about us not even creating a chance (largely because of the 
crossing thing above), and for very different reasons, when Wolves attacked 
last night I had a sense that they may score.  Within 10 seconds of both times 
that they had the ball in the net last night, I had said to my son "they're 
gonna score here, if we continue to let them do this".

I saw several Tweets last night from other clubs' fans saying "all Leeds do is 
run, run, run", and to some extent they're right.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of David Boocock
Sent: 20 October 2020 09:15
To: Nick 
Cc: leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] Wolves

From the Swinnow area of Queensland a loss is a loss, which ever way you dress 
it up邏

Norman and big Jack would never accept this.

On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 at 5:39 pm, Nick  wrote:

> exactly Ted - that was my biggest gripe, not being at the ground…I 
> hate watching our games on TV
>
> And you know - we lost a game or two last season, it turned out OK
>
> > On 20 Oct 2020, at 08:37, Ted  wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 at 08:28, David Boocock  wrote:
> >
> >> We lost it doesn’t count,  another game to make up. If enjoyable
> football
> >> is watching your team lose I may as well follow Barnstoneworth United!
> >> 8-1...8 bloody 1, to Brighouse! The centre forward wears glasses!
> >>
> >> It’s a loss get real.
> >>
> >>
> >> So you didn't enjoy the first 30 minutes?  We've had to put up with
> mostly
> > dross for most of the last 16 or so years, over that time I've gone 
> > to watch Leeds mostly out of habit or to see mates - so yes, I can 
> > enjoy
> games
> > last night for what it was.  I was/am still disappointed that we 
> > lost but it's not the end of the world anymore for me.  I'm more 
> > gutted that we can't be there.
> >
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Re: [LU] David DRB Brennan

[nigel]

Ah, that's shit news. 
Deepest condolences to all. I'll raise a glass to Dave, as I did with him in 
the Adelphi in another era.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of John Boocock
Sent: 25 June 2020 15:47
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] David DRB Brennan

Dear All,

Earlier this week we heard of the sad death of one of the earliest members and 
most loved characters from the list, David “DRB” Brennan. 
Not only was DRB a list regular in the 90s as a trawl through the archives held 
by James Lundon proved but he also wrote a lot of good stuff.

As a season ticket-holder he used to go to reserve matches at The Shay and (as 
well as Maggie Barber) post regular reports of the reserves’ 
progress. He was a regular source of ticket information and became very 
friendly with Mandy in the ticket office especially when trying to find out 
what times cup matches would be played and what the ticket allocations would be.

DRB and his wife Kate were part of a gang that regularly met pre-match (he was 
an Adolphi regular), he was at the MOALM and he was the man behind the 
sponsored head shave at the first Euronet in 1996.

Like others on the list he was a Northern Soul boy, coming from Horsforth what 
else would he be?

One of the friendliest, funniest and kindest blokes I have had the pleasure to 
meet he will always be the example I would use of what the list is about.

DRB leaves behind, Kate and the two boys Sid and Bradley and we have been in 
touch to send our sympathy. No date has been set for what will be a very small 
family funeral but his brother-in-law suggests there might be a memorial 
service in the future. The family has asked, if anyone wishes to, that 
donations are made to MIND which is a charity DRB supported. 
(https://www.mind.org.uk/donate/)

We checked with the family before we posted anything to the list and they were 
happy for us to do this. As we get more information, we will pass this on but 
in the meantime please enjoy the following post to the list from 1996, it’s 
typical of the DRB we knew and loved (that and the bloody song he wrote about 
Tomas Brolin!)

RIP DRB.

Betty

From:VBORMC:"hss...@lucs-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk" "D.R. BRENNAN" 
20-FEB-1996 11:22:41.54
To:leeds-uni...@vax.ox.ac.uk
Subj:LU: Interview

Interviewer: Mr Wilkinson, as your team selection for some games over the past 
few months has  been, shall we say, "innovative" what will be your policy for 
the Port Vale game?

HW: Well, all things considered, and bearing in mind that our players have had 
a hectic autograph signing session recently, and it will be a bit chilly, I 
think 11 players will suffice.

Interviewer: Mr Wilkinson, does this mean that even though your African players 
are back from international duty, you will not use them?

HW: All things being equal, Tony, Phil and Lucas are definitely players, and 
players want to play, want to play, but there can only be so many players, who 
play, so they may play a part in playing but it's not so warm for players who 
normally play, normally play, in a warmer climate.

Interviewer: It was suggested that in the Aston Villa game, you may have been 
better playing an attacking side, as the defence, containing so many 
youngsters, was unlikely to keep Villa out, offence being the best sort of 
defence.

HW: Youngsters, youngsters.  I was young once, and wanted to play, wanted to 
play.  You've got to give them a goal, I mean go, they may be short of pace, 
but Rob Bowman has got the same name as the Producer of the X Files, so who 
knows what might happen, might happen.  I picked the best side for the game, 
for the game.  When I start telling you where to use a metaphor instead of a 
simile, and when to employ onomatopoeic licence, then you can tell me how to 
pick and quarter of pick and mix, I mean a football team.

Interviewer:  There has been much discussion about Tomas Brolin's future at 
Elland Road.  Can you enlighten us as to the current situation?

HW: Tomas has got a white shirt, some people might say, might say, it still has 
Parmalat on it, but I say Thistle Hotels.  I know the shirts are the same 
colour, and that was a major consideration in buying Tommy.  I like continuity, 
like buying players from Sheffield, so buying a player who was used to wearing 
the same colour shirt fitted in well with our long-term plans. Brolly is happy 
wearing white and yellow trimmed with blue and if Brollywolly is happy, I'm 
happy, I'm happy.

Interviewer:  But Mr Wilkinson, Tomas Brolin is a world class player, do you 
think there will be a place for him in tomorrow's cup game against Port Vale?

HW: This could well be a bit of a clash, what with the colour of their shirts 
against the blue seats of Elland Road, I might find it difficult to follow 
their play, especially if I forget to take my yellow tinted motorway night 
driving glasses off, glasses off. Port Vale are a big s

Re: [LU] So...............

[nigel]

https://www.vipboxtv.se/ is one of the more reliable ones. I've been using that 
today.  And it doesn't spawn as many annoying pop-ups and new tabs as others.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Robert Heath
Sent: 20 June 2020 13:38
To: Peter Castlehouse 
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] So...

Anybody got any red hot tips for streaming tomorrow?

I was using crichd and/or usagoals before the madness. They were OK but could 
sometimes be a bit patchy. Any better suggestions?

On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 2:30 PM Peter Castlehouse 
wrote:

> And so are we apparently, and everybody hates us
>
> Pete
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Robert 
> Heath
> Sent: Saturday, 20 June 2020 10:28 PM
> To: Leeds List 
> Subject: [LU] So...
>
> ...it's time to start gnawing our fingernails up to the elbows 
> again.
>
> Just watching a bit of Fulham v B/ford. The latter look good. I'm glad 
> we're 11 pts clear of them.
>
> I notice that they have got recorded crowd noise, obviously taken from 
> previous matches. I trust in their efforts to be authentic we will 
> hear lots of chants of "Sky sports are fucking shit!" from the virtual 
> away fans tomorrow.
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Re: [LU] Trivia Question from Heimbane

[nigel]

Yeah - bang on.  It's Steph Houghton.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Naef
Sent: 28 April 2020 18:10
To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: Re: [LU] Trivia Question from Heimbane

Might it be a Leeds ladies or leeds city player?

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of 
johnbar...@ivycottage.co.uk
Sent: 28 April 2020 13:06
To: 'Leeds List' 
Subject: [LU] Trivia Question from Heimbane

I've been watching a TV series from Norway called "Heimbane".

It's another in the "Female Coach/Male Football Team" genre.

I don't think it's been on British TV, nor on a Netflix-type streaming service, 
and the only subtitles I've found are less than perfect.

 

In Heimbane there's a character called Eddie (played by Per Jan Vinje) who is 
the club's groundsman and prop master.

He's also a very enthusiastic Leeds United fan and appears in every episode 
wearing a different Leeds shirt.

In the episode I watched last night, he posed a trivia question to the team.

No answer was provided, so I'm wondering if anyone here can figure it out.

 

Here goes, pasted from the subtitles:

 

00:12:51,560 --> 00:12:56,780

Question 14:

what former Leeds player

 

00:12:56,780 --> 00:13:02,820

Quite a few Leeds-related questions...

- The kids must learn.

 

00:13:02,820 --> 00:13:11,860

Ok... what former Leeds player

played also for Sunderland, Arsenal and Manchester City?

 

00:13:11,860 --> 00:13:15,900

It's a trick question.

 

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Re: [LU] The Lard Update

[nigel]

The whale meat man was Oddvar, I think.  Tried to persuade the staff at the 
Adephi to cook some up for us all, but thankfully they were having none of it!

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Jeremy Adams
Sent: 25 April 2020 18:09
To: Richard Naef ; John Boocock 
; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] The Lard Update

No think Maggie has gone, along with Voicey, King of Tonga, Adie Turford, and 
some Noggie called Karl who I took the train back from Leicester with (and I 
think used to supply whale meat though I may be conflating two Noggies.) What 
was the name of the bloke who was of Indian/Asian descent that played striker 
for the Lards at Leicester and Bodington Hall?

From: Richard Naef 
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 9:24 AM
To: Jeremy Adams ; John Boocock ; 
leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: RE: [LU] The Lard Update

One of my regrets is that I never made it to any Lards events - if only to 
disprove your "everyone a true gent"  thesis. Is Maggie still on the list?

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Jeremy Adams
Sent: 24 April 2020 13:42
To: John Boocock ; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] The Lard Update

Thanks John,

My two experiences at WorldNet were fantastic, met many people I had only ever 
known virtually through this list and every one of them was a true gent. Was a 
spectator at Leicester (though got to play one friendly) and then played at the 
one at Bodington Hall. I remember Damian Walsh providing much charcuterie and 
much booze both before and after games, its a miracle any Lards games got 
played! Maggie Barber drove me up to Leeds for the second one, his car kept 
overheating so we had to drive with the heat turned up full blast to try and 
pull heat away from the engine, it was a boiling hot day in July as I remember.

If any listers have any photos from WorldNet I'd love to see them. This was of 
course before the days of smartphones sp pictures may be hard to come by.

Best

Jeremy


From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Boocock 

Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 9:42 AM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: Re: [LU] The Lard Update

Hi Jeremy.


Unfortuantely not but I am scouring the archives for pictures at the moment if 
I find owt good I'll be sharing!


Betty


On 23/04/2020 14:31, Jeremy Adams wrote:
> Got any more years John? I was at the Leicester one (the next year I
> think) and then the one at Leeds Uni.
> --
> --
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Re: [LU] The Lard Update

[nigel]

Yeah, I was a spectator at Leicester (had my car broken into while watching)
and at the one up near Adel in Leeds (Bodington?).

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

 

From: Jeremy Adams  
Sent: 23 April 2020 14:31
To: John Boocock ; ni...@sykesonline.com;
leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: The Lard Update

 

Got any more years John? I was at the Leicester one (the next year I think)
and then the one at Leeds Uni.

  _  

From: John Boocock mailto:j...@boocock.net> >
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 5:14 PM
To: Jeremy Adams mailto:jeremyadam...@hotmail.com> >; ni...@sykesonline.com
<mailto:ni...@sykesonline.com>  mailto:ni...@sykesonline.com> >; leedslist@gn.apc.org
<mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>  mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org> >
Subject: The Lard Update 

 

Here it is, finally... https://youtu.be/XlRwfvGtufw
<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%
2FXlRwfvGtufw=02%7C01%7C%7Cf87cae082907476e19ca08d7e56fdb03%7C84df9e7fe
9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637230140883107738=l9%2BrvhRfz88rEHX
LfFY1%2FTeYKDshHFlTP0T%2Bfn5iRUQ%3D=0> 

Betty

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Re: [LU] The Lards

[nigel]

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:(

Bloody Brexit!

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of John Boocock
Sent: 19 April 2020 20:47
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] The Lards

Little bit of history here folks:

https://youtu.be/mW7SqQwhyAU

Enjoy every damp minute...

Betty

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Re: [LU] FIFA 20...

[nigel]

And thus it is proved that letting FIFA decide the rest of the season is not a 
valid idea - as if Bamford would have score 2 today in real life!

Nigel
(the increasingly locked-down Dublin one)

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Sent: 15 March 2020 21:42
To: tim.whelan ; James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via Leedslist 

Subject: Re: [LU] FIFA 20...


  
  
  

3-1 Leeds. 2 for Bamford, free kick from Harrison 



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Did we win?Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message 
From: "James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via Leedslist"  Date: 15/03/2020  19:29 
 (GMT+00:00) To: LeedsList  Subject: [LU] FIFA 20... Leeds attract 50,000 
online viewers with FIFA 20 simulation of Cardiff match after coronavirus 
postponement| | | |  |  | | || |  | Leeds attract 50,000 online viewers with 
FIFA 20 simulation of Cardiff m...Leeds United tackled their postponed 
Championship game against Cardiff by simulating the game on FIFA 20 instead. | 
| |Am I the only person hereabouts who has NEVER played FIFA ever?In 
self-imposed isolation in the west of 
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Re: [LU] Reading

[nigel]

Yeah, pretty much how I saw it too.  

I've said all season that all our games are basically the same - sometimes we 
pass the ball more cleanly and attack with more vim, and sometimes we defend 
better than others, but on the whole it's generally the same game, week after 
week.  Then it's largely down to how luck goes our way - sometimes we are 
unlucky and none of the chances go in, sometimes we give away one too many set 
pieces at the other end.  We OUGHT to win pretty much every game quite 
comfortably, but with the quality of finishing we have it'll always be a bit of 
a lottery.  So let's hope that the luck stays with us for the next few games...

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message- 
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
Sent: 23 February 2020 12:41
To: leeds list 
Subject: [LU] Reading

Well in some ways this was a replica of last week- largely outclass a poor team 
in bad weather, only score one goal and come close at the end to conceding a 
goal and throwing away 2 points, but in the end holding on and getting a much 
needed 3 pts However although,  superficially,  the games were the same , in 
reality they were very different.  Last week v Bristol the weather, although 
awful ,did not stop us playing great football and pinging accurate 25 yd balls 
across the pitch and it was only the woodwork, twice,  and 2 brilliant saves / 
awful misses that stopped it being a total rout. Yesterday we were wayward with 
our passes and created few real clear cut chances. We were on the front foot 
from the start and 2 crosses one in the air and one right across the 6yd box 
after great work by Costa just failed to be met by Bamford.  Klich  who looks 
like he has forgotten how to score had a decent attempt saved when the ref 
played an advantage.  A special mention for the ref yesterday,  he really tried 
to let the game flow and played a number of advantages , twice ( one apiece) 
going back and then showing a yellow.  I cant remember any really bad decisions 
so for once the "we only get shit refs" did not get an airing We all groaned 
and held our breath as the Yorkshire Pirlo went down, played on, but then went 
off injured, possibly a massive blow. Ayling decided he is now a goal scorer 
and lashed one attempt just wide before our best move and chance of the half. 
Some good link up play led to Harrison chilling an exquisite pass into the 
onrushing Alioski who hit it well but the keeper had his angled right. They 
were restricted to one long range shot that kiko dived to palm away
0 0 at half time but the mood in yet another full house was content was we all 
felt it was coming.
At the start of the second half klich again found his shooting but not his 
scoring boots with 2 decent efforts from distance.  Then came the match winner, 
Pablo had his first shot blocked but the ball rebounded to him and some 
trickery and some luck took him past a few defenders before a lovely finish 
into the top corner- brilliant finish and brilliant scences in the packed 
stands.
We had a few other chances to put the game to bed a good free kick by Pablo 
being the pick of the bunch, but this is Bielsa's Leeds and we rarely make 
things easy on ourselves,  the clock ticked down and the nerves in the crowd 
were being stretched although the confidence was mainly still there, then in 
the 92nd minute the almost unthinkable,  almost inevitable,  almost happened. 
The ball came their player in space inside the 6yd box, however this time it 
was kiko to the rescue and he came out and smothered it, a very important save.
So not at our best in a poor, fairly boring game when the weather was one 
winner,  we were the other with  valuable three points,  and the 11 point gap 
that had been whittled down to goal difference is back up a bit to 5 points, 
and as everyone keeps pointing out  on,y Fulham of the top teams to play. This 
is the defining week for me (again) lose these 2 and end up in 3rd or 4th by 
this time next week and we are almost done for. 6 points and extend the gap and 
things will be very rosy.
We do seem to have turned the corner and winning a scrappy poor game can only 
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Re: [LU] shoot rich and wap

[nigel]

I really don't mind the crosses that they put into the box which go to an 
opponent - though they very often do it without looking up - at least they get 
it into the danger zone.  But crossing without looking is something you can 
only do if you have a good idea of where your CF will be and I don't think 
Bamford is predictable enough for that to work.  What's far more common with 
the crossing though is that they either balloon them over everyone or they hit 
the first defender, and neither of those is acceptable.

As an aside, I'm really puzzled by how many people I've seen online saying 
Costa had a great game - someone even said he was MOTM.  I thought he was 
pretty awful, and usually is.  Our most ineffectual player for me.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Simon McNally
Sent: 16 February 2020 17:42
To: Richard Walker ; N If ; 
leedslist 
Subject: Re: [LU] shoot rich and wap


  
  
  

Thanks for the report Rich. I couldn’t make it yesterday so interesting 
reading how we did.Maybe I should miss more games it it means we win!I’ve often 
thought with the crosses that there’s more than just blaming the crosser. As 
you say, sometimes there’s not much to aim for and sometimes Bamford’s movement 
isn’t great. I wonder if Costa and Harrison play balls into an area, hoping 
someone will be there or are they actually trying to pick a specific player out.
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No I didn’t hear the City commentators say that  but it’s true, Bamford needs 
to more scruffy goals.
Also, I’ve noticed that the reason that Costa and Harrison do usually find an 
opposition player with their final ball / cross is that usually there’s only 
Bamford in the area which is the downside of playing with one striker. On the 
plus side we usually pick up the clearance and it all starts again.
We did actually have a few of long distance efforts - Klich and Costa in the 
first half but they were both at the keeper.


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On Sunday, February 16, 2020, 2:42 pm, N If  wrote:

interested that Slavan Bilic this week told WBA to start shooting from outside 
the box due to their diminishing 'efficiency'.  Seemed that really only our 
full backs (and CFs) were keen to have potshots, and reasonably close to 
target. Was everyone else blocked off? Are we coached to keep passing till a 
clear chance emerges? are the others getting a bit scared to miss?

read a report masquerading under the name of Rich Walker - what have you done 
with the real RW? (good report - essential reading as always and great to see 
you pleased with the team!).Did you hear the Robins commentator claim Bill's 
goal was how a Centre Forward should seize his opportunities?

Betty's What'sApp link told me to go away.  Is there a magic trick?

Cheers
Niffit
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[LU] We're doomed

[nigel]

So Radz has turned on the fans now:
"ONE thing frustrate me more then any defeat.I have been like a fan like
you, travelling and supporting my team since I was a student and no money.
How can't you support a team/club that have reached the best result of last
16 years!! being always in top 3 since Aug 2018. Nite"

When the management start whining about supporters venting their
frustrations, it is the beginning of the end.  They'll be blaming the fans
for the performances next (many other fans already are).

We're doomed.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

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Re: [LU] EXTERNAL: Re: Goals

[nigel]

At the end of the day, we've all seen false dawns so many times that few of us 
can still believe the sun will ever actually properly rise.  I'm truly amazed 
at anyone who can remain optimistic. When seeing such blind faith on e.g. 
Facebook groups, I always assume that they're young fellas, who haven't had the 
repeated beat-downs we older types have, but no... often (as on here), they are 
just guys who seem to be able to find an optimistic outlook that eludes me, for 
one. Fair play to them. They probably enjoy life much more...

Nigel
(the pessimistic Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Matt Anderson
Sent: 16 January 2020 09:25
To: Kevin Lewis (UK SBS) 
Cc: Leeds List (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: Re: [LU] EXTERNAL: Re: Goals

Don’t forget the turn of the millennium. Top of the league didn’t win again 
till March I think

Sent from my iPhone

> On 16 Jan 2020, at 09:05, Kevin Lewis (UK SBS)  
> wrote:
> 
> Sorry to be a Doom Monger, but we’ve got more ‘previous’ than just last 
> season of course.
> 
> 2016-17:  We somehow managed to go from being outside contenders  for 
> automatic, to missing  out on the play-offs with a poor run at the death.
> 
> 2009-10 in league one: We were pissing it until New Year, when a run of 3 
> wins, 6 draws and 7 defeats saw us drop from 1st to 4th.  Managed to recover 
> and win 5 out of last 7 to scrape up by the skin of our teeth.
> 
> That’s forgetting the miserable play-off record.
> 
> No wonder there is pessimism not far from the surface ☹
> 
> KOT.
> 
> 
> From: Ted [mailto:tedhea...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 15 January 2020 18:39
> To: John Lee 
> Cc: Mark ; Leeds List (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
> ; Kevin Lewis (UK SBS) 
> Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [LU] Goals
> 
> Got to agree John - coming out the ground last Saturday, all I could hear was 
> people saying "it's happening again"!
> 
> I really enjoyed last season because the way we played under Bielsa was a 
> nice surprise.  This season - people's expectations have been too high and 
> we/I feel it's now or never.  I'm a nervous fu**ing wreck!
> 
> On Wed, 15 Jan 2020, 19:23 John Lee via Leedslist, 
> mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:
> Happy to back you up Mark ;-) Your reply made me laugh.
> 
> I also laughed at Richard’s ‘if we play as well in the second half of the 
> season as we did the first we’ll go up’. Absolutely true, but the recent 
> signs are we’re gonna stuff it up again. We no longer have Roofe - that is 
> one critical negative variable. It’s starting to feel like groundhog day for 
> most of us.
> 
> Hey ho.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 15 Jan 2020, at 13:51, Mark 
>> mailto:wiscole...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> First off, I didn't think my OP ignored facts. I appreciate Bruv Lee 
>> understanding my perspective and concerns.
>> 
>> I've been on this list sinceI don't know, around 1995 and Richard is the 
>> only person I've come across who takes the joy and interest out of 
>> contributing to the chatter. And there have been some characters and "wars" 
>> along the way. I always have a mental timer running to see how long until he 
>> posts a snide, snippy, arrogant, elitist, more knowledgeable than you 
>> remark. I'm glad to read that as usual, he meets my low expectations.
>> 
>> tick, tock
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> From: Richard Naef 
>> mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.
>> uk>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 5:49 PM
>> To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk> 
>> mailto:bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk>>
>> Cc: Mark mailto:wiscole...@hotmail.com>>; 
>> Kevin Lewis (UK SBS) 
>> mailto:kevin.le...@uksbs.co.uk>>; Leeds List 
>> (leedslist@gn.apc.org<mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>) 
>> mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
>> Subject: RE: [LU] Goals
>> 
>> Sense of proportion, the ridiculous statements of the OP ignored the facts.  
>> This season is not the same as last, so many variables are different.  The 
>> first half of the season is a much better indication of this team than last 
>> season.  If we perform as well in the 2nd half as we did in the first we'll 
>> almost certainly get promoted.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk> 
>> mailto:bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk>>
>> Sent: 14 January 2020 23:41
>> To: Richard Naef 
>> mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.
>> uk>>
>> Cc: Mark mailto:wiscole...@hotmail.com>>; 
>> Kevin Lewis (UK SB

Re: [LU] Birmingham game on lutv in UK?

[nigel]

Or be a mug and pay Leeds United a fiver to watch it and then find their fg 
website doesn't work.  Again.  2nd time this season I've been left stranded, 
after I've decided to do the decent thing and pay. NEVER again...

Nigel
(the Dublin and France one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Ted
Sent: 28 December 2019 15:09
To: David Nattan 
Cc: leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] Birmingham game on lutv in UK?

Yes, I think you read that right Dave.

According to the Sky app, it's also on the red button.
So, pay a tenner to watch on your device with commentary and replays - or - pay 
nowt for crap camera work with no replays on red button! ;-)

On Sat, 28 Dec 2019, 14:44 nat...@sky.com,  wrote:

> If I have read and understood LUTV properly then the game tomorrow is 
> live to watch even in UK ( quite possibly I am wrong given that l told 
> my wife the game was 3pm today !)DavePS costs £10 
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Re: [LU] Promotion

[nigel]

I know what you mean Richard - it does feel like that.

But the cold facts are that at this point last season there has actually been 
about 20% more draws than this year (79 versus 66)

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Robert Heath
Sent: 12 December 2019 17:12
To: Richard Naef 
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Promotion

I have a probably irrational feeling that this season (even though it would be 
entirely uncharacteristic of Leeds to benefit this way of course) the number of 
points needed for 2nd might be a little lower. My reason for this is that I 
sense there have been an above average number fo draws in our division this 
year...and every time there is a draw, 1 point is sucked out of the system, 
never to be replaced.

In the old days, we used to have stattoes on this list who would have been able 
to confirm a) if there have been more draws than usual, and b) if that can lead 
to a lower points total needed for promotion. But in their absence, I suppose 
I'll have to just keep on with the tarot cards and the voodoo dolls.

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 11:45 PM Richard Naef < 
rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote:

> We're half way there! , we only have to be the same terrible passers, 
> useless finishers and shit corner takers as we have been so far and 
> we'll be promoted with 4 games to go!
>
> Then relegated by Xmas
>
> Sent from my Mobile.
>
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Nicholas 
> Armit via Leedslist 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 9:49:08 PM
> To: Leeds List 
> Subject: [LU] Promotion
>
> I believe that 92 points usually guarantees promotion (?) If that is a 
> good target we only need 15 more wins out of 25 games to go up.
> Nick
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Re: [LU] What difference a week makes

[nigel]

It did, and I was right.  Because we did change it - White has been playing as 
more of a midfielder.  In the first half he was playing as a centre half.  

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Naef
Sent: 07 December 2019 13:58
To: 'leeds list' 
Subject: Re: [LU] What difference a week makes

That post aged well  

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ni...@sykesonline.com
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To: 'leeds list' 
Subject: Re: [LU] What difference a week makes

Agreed.  We've basically ended up playing without a defensive midfielder and 
it's allowing Huddersfield the run of the centre.  Has to change in the 2nd 
half or we'll lose this.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Jeremy Adams
Sent: 07 December 2019 13:30
To: nat...@sky.com; leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] What difference a week makes

We were awful that first half. Ben white has had his worst game in a Leeds 
shirt, not his fault, he's just not ready to play that position. Hudds are up 
for it and we're second to every ball. Hopefully we can pick it up second half.

From: Leedslist  on behalf of nat...@sky.com 

Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2019 6:48 AM
To: leeds list 
Subject: [LU] What difference a week makes

Last game we were all happy how strong our bench looked,  today we have 4 
players without a ,minutes first team football between them, Maxiak, Gotts, 
Casey and Hosannah, plus 2 very inexperienced players in Clarke and Nketiah who 
have barely started a game and the as yet, underwhelming Douglas Bad that 
Cooper is out today We really need a good start and to score early otherwise 
with them being so up for it,  it could be a tough afternoon Dave

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Re: [LU] What difference a week makes

[nigel]

Agreed.  We've basically ended up playing without a defensive midfielder and 
it's allowing Huddersfield the run of the centre.  Has to change in the 2nd 
half or we'll lose this.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
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Sent: 07 December 2019 13:30
To: nat...@sky.com; leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] What difference a week makes

We were awful that first half. Ben white has had his worst game in a Leeds 
shirt, not his fault, he's just not ready to play that position. Hudds are up 
for it and we're second to every ball. Hopefully we can pick it up second half.

From: Leedslist  on behalf of nat...@sky.com 

Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2019 6:48 AM
To: leeds list 
Subject: [LU] What difference a week makes

Last game we were all happy how strong our bench looked,  today we have 4 
players without a ,minutes first team football between them, Maxiak, Gotts, 
Casey and Hosannah, plus 2 very inexperienced players in Clarke and Nketiah who 
have barely started a game and the as yet, underwhelming Douglas Bad that 
Cooper is out today We really need a good start and to score early otherwise 
with them being so up for it,  it could be a tough afternoon Dave

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Re: [LU] Reading

[nigel]

Yep. I agree pretty much 100%

Thought Alioski made all the difference - he thinks about going forward and 
(crucially) passing forwards first and foremost, which is something nobody else 
in the team seems to consider (apart from White).   And that attitude is 
thankfully infectious.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
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Subject: [LU] Reading

All the possession but no idea. I thought we were poor tonight especially first 
half. Every final pass going astray and players just incapable of passing a 
ball to a team mate. Hernandez was particularly poor, he has a real knack of 
passing a simple ball to the opposition. He achieves it with ease. Roberts 
didn’t offer nothing as at Luton and to be honest his injury was the best thing 
that happened. 

Second half was better as we upped the tempo and when Allioski came on for the 
awful Klich he made a real difference. Costa played ok and the goal was a great 
break but even that was a deflected cross to Harrison who did well to head home 
( Bamford take note). It was Harrison’s only contribution to the game.

Great win, poor performance , top of the league and you can’t argue with that.

Casilla - 7 some decent saves.

Ayling - 5. A couple of half decent crosses but generally doesn’t offer half as 
much as Dallas going forward or the right.

Cooper - 7 solid

White - 9 Best defender and best midfielder. This lad is the business.

Klich -2 terrible. Passes loose , just not effective. It might be a time for a 
rest.

Philips - 5. Some good defensive work but his passing especially second half 
was terrible. Completely lost it. Not sure about his pieces either.

Hernandez - 5. Saw lots of the ball but didn’t do much with it.

Dallas - 6. Not happy in midfield but still created some good chances. Hit the 
bar.

Harrison - 5. Scored the winner but very ineffective on the wing.

Bamford - 3. Cant really remember any serious contribution.

Roberts - 1 didn’t contribute before going off injured

Subs

Allioski - 8 lively , made a difference

Costa - 7 his best performance so far

Shack - on for a couple of minutes.

Is Eddie fit for Saturday ?







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Re: [LU] Preston

[nigel]

I agree all round.  But I think that the main problem is just the lack of speed 
of the attacks.  Think back to when Saiz was playing and Alioski was on the 
left wing.  We all got horribly frustrated at how often Alioski got caught 
offside - I mean, it was ALL the time!  But we just don't attack in the same 
way anymore, and we're rarely in a position for anyone to be caught offside.  
We're more fluid when Pablo is in the team obviously, but we're still not that 
fast attacking unit we were 12 months ago.  I'm very critical of Harrison's 
crossing, but to be fair to him and his targets, by the time he crosses it, the 
box is inevitably packed.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Simon McNally
Sent: 24 October 2019 16:21
To: Joe Skinner 
Cc: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: Re: [LU] Preston

The think that’s fair. As you say, it’s hard to cross the ball if there’s no 
one to aim for. With our lack of height we need the striker to make quick runs 
across the defenders to get on the end of low crosses, not sure that’s 
Bamford’s game. 
I’ve been really impressed with Dallas at right back

Sent from my iPhone

> On 24 Oct 2019, at 16:11, Joe Skinner  wrote:
> 
> I don't think Harrison's crossing is bad - I actually think it's pretty good 
> most of the time, it's quick at least - the issue is there's no one on the 
> end of them. 
> 
> That's not his fault. That's the team shape and make-up. 
> 
> The crosses from the right are pretty non-existent in comparison. As you 
> might expect, with a central midfielder playing wide right, or an 
> international winger who plays right back for his club pushed wide right. 
> 
> Not sure what Costa's 'correct' position is. 
> 
> I didn't catch the Preston game and I gave up on the Brum-cast from someone's 
> living room, so not talking specifics, just generalities. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Simon McNally  
> Sent: 24 October 2019 16:04
> To: Joe Skinner 
> Cc: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Preston
> 
> I’d go along with that. I don’t think it’s that’s we’ve been found out, just 
> that teams have developed a way of playing against us that they know will 
> keep them in the game, particularly if we keep missing tons of chances. 
> I also think our crossing has been worse this year, especially compared to 
> the early part of last season. Someone was telling me that Harrison has the 
> most chances created in the division but this must be due to the sheer volume 
> of times he gets the ball out wide - his completion percentage must be awful. 
> Part of it though, is the difference between Bamford and Roofe. I lost count 
> at the weekend of the number of times a cross went in and Bamford was just 
> behind it or just behind a defender. I don’t think his movement in the box is 
> good enough.
> We still look confident in possession in deeper areas but lack something up 
> front. I’d rather see Douglas have a run of games - I think it’s hard to 
> judge him on the odd late cameo in games. If you think back to the West Brom 
> game last season, Roberts was amazing at ten. Could he start a game there? I 
> think we need someone in the final third who is going to run at defenders at 
> pace and scare them. If Costa isn’t doing it, why not Clarke for a few games?
> Eddie has to start on Saturday though
> 
> S
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 24 Oct 2019, at 13:25, Joe Skinner  wrote:
>> 
>> Last season we had a different forward (Roofe) who scored some scrappy and 
>> late goals/winners
>> 
>> Not to say he could only do that. Different type of player to Bamford.  
>> 
>> Saiz for half a season reduced the creative burden on Pablo. 
>> 
>> Alioski played as a left sided forward for more games, than left back as he 
>> is nominally now.   
>> 
>> Whilst the majority of the team are the same - this season they don't seem 
>> as fresh. Not sure I buy into the high intensity = burnout theory that most 
>> were peddling but once thing is certain, we are not a 'new' thing for people 
>> to play against.
>> 
>> Everyone knows how we play now. Literally week in week out it is the same 
>> team/formation, home and away.  Even the laziest manager can see us on TV 
>> every week almost. 
>> 
>> Not sure what's going on with Clarke this season.
>> 
>> I think the 'failure' last season took it out on some players, mentally at 
>> least.
>> 
>> You can't do much about injuries. 
>> 
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[LU] Preston 1-1

[nigel]

I'll be honest - I'm not enjoying watching us play at all anymore.  Every
game is the same, and it is SO predictable.  You could describe the way the
game went without even seeing it and be 95% right, every time.  My heart
rate doesn't even go up during the game anymore.  Not even when we scored.

I just can't understand how we can't do something to change the way we act
in the final third.  It is Bielsa's big flaw that he can't do anything to
change this.

I must point out that I would have felt exactly like this, win, lose or draw
tonight.  I'm just so sick of it.

Nigel 
(the Dublin one)

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Re: [LU] V Preston

[nigel]

Yep... that's who were are now.  And have been for almost a year, to be 
honest...

 Nigel
(the Dublin one)

> Richard Naef 
> It is just the same story every week , lots of corners and no goals, chances 
> to bamford and no goals, trying to walk it in rather than shooting and no > 
> goals, all the decent football and no goals Maybe Eddie comes on again at 
> interval and, this time he scores ?
> Otherwise will be more dropped points or at best a 1 0 win with plenty of 
> panic 

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Re: [LU] 1-0

[nigel]

Eddie didn't do much to be honest.  He didn't miss as many as Bamford, but 
that's a double-edged sword.  Berra did nothing mental.

We were pretty poor in the 2nd half though, and really clung on for a win.

To be honest, nothing changes.  I've said it before, sometimes we'll nick a 
goal, sometimes we'll ship one. Today's goal came from a ball steal in their 
1/3rd which was in the back of the net 3 touches later - so no time to think 
and slow it all down to a crawl like we usually do.  Kalvin's shot wasn't 
great, as it was straight at the keeper, but it managed to get under him and 
into the net.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Naef
Sent: 19 October 2019 17:05
To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: [LU] 1-0

Abroad in the back of beyond, so v poor audio.

Great win, were we any better with Eddie on and how did Berra do?

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Re: [LU] LUTV

[nigel]

Yeah, me too… some tattooist fella!  Thank God for folk prepared to put 
themselves out for the rest of us.

Makes you question why you ever consider paying the club for anything…

Nigel

 

From: Nicholas Armit  
Sent: 19 October 2019 15:53
To: 'Ari-Pekka Mahlio' ; ni...@sykesonline.com
Cc: 'Leeds List' 
Subject: Re: [LU] LUTV

 

Was watching some stream from some bloke's living room.

 

Nick

 

On Saturday, October 19, 2019, 10:50:43 AM EDT, mailto:ni...@sykesonline.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Came on for me in the 41st minute of play.  Useless wankers...

Nigel
(the Dublin and sometimes France one)

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From: Leedslist mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> > On Behalf Of Ari-Pekka Mahlio
Sent: 19 October 2019 14:55
To: Nicholas Armit mailto:arm...@yahoo.com> >
Cc: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org> >
Subject: Re: [LU] LUTV

Doesn't work here in Finland either


aaPee

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Re: [LU] LUTV

[nigel]

Came on for me in the 41st minute of play.  Useless wankers...

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(the Dublin and sometimes France one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Ari-Pekka Mahlio
Sent: 19 October 2019 14:55
To: Nicholas Armit 
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] LUTV

Doesn't work here in Finland either


aaPee

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leedslist@gn.apc.org) kirjoitti:

> not working for anyone?
> Nick
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Re: [LU] Neil Harris resigns

[nigel]

Never a fan of a change in the opposition's management just before playing them.

But even without this, I wouldn't expect much.  Our record in London in recent 
years is nothing short of shocking:

Under Bielsa: P4 W0 D1 L4
Last five seasons: P15 W1 D6 L8
Last 10 at Millwall: W1 D1 L8

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
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To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Neil Harris resigns

Neil Harris has just resigned as Millwall manager. Whoever said they were 
rubbish last night  (I didn't see that game myself) must have been right.
Not sure if this will help us on Saturday or not.
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Re: [LU] 1-0!

[nigel]

Amazing the difference a win makes to the mood eh?

Still no ability to score (we haven't actually scored ourselves in three whole 
games now), and for once less possession than the opposition... but top of the 
league with that 'magic' 2 points per game.  Funny old world innit?

Thought Bamford was immense tonight.  But what's up with Costa?  Been a very 
poor showing these last two games, having been given his chance to start.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

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Subject: Re: [LU] 1-0!

 Aged 20 years. Didn't think that team was capable of that kind of determined, 
backs-to-the-wall performance.
Nick
On Tuesday, October 1, 2019, 04:54:20 PM EDT, Richard Naef 
 wrote:  
 
 The atmosphere sounded amazing tonight.
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Re: [LU] Charlton

[nigel]

Yep.  I completely agree.  It is very frustrating that the problems which 
stymied us last season remain our problems today.  The answer?  Someone who can 
get the byline and get a good cross in, without giving the defence time to set 
themselves would seem to be the obvious need.  At the moment, a large 
percentage of our attacks end up with Harrison, who both takes too long to so 
anything with it, and then inevitably his final ball is useless.

I'd prefer to see us a) build from both sides (quickly), and in the short term 
at least I'd try Alioski on the left wing and put our actual left back, Douglas 
in at left back!  If Alioski can manage to keep onside (unlikely I know), then 
I think he'd be more likely to get that pacey, accurate cross in. 

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of John Lee via 
Leedslist
Sent: 29 September 2019 22:29
To: Ted 
Cc: leedslist 
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

Am I imagining this, or did Bielsa not say at the end of last season that he 
didn’t think these players could do it all again? I think he was using it as 
‘motivation’ when trying to win the last few games, but maybe he was near the 
mark? 

I still think most of our play is enough to get us up, but the approach to 
goal, whether via crossing, shooting or trying to pass it through 7 man 
defences, is THE problem. I don’t even think it’s the ‘fault’ of individual 
players (although Harrison’s crossing drives me nuts!), but the system. That is 
down to the manager, and he has to get to grips with it, otherwise ...



Sent from my iPad

> On 28 Sep 2019, at 17:48, Ted  wrote:
> 
> I really don't know what the answer is!
> 
> We dominate games with great football (at times), but it just isn't 
> going for us!
> 
> I just think, more of the same and it might click. Other than spending 
> millions in Jan (which we don't have), what is the answer?
> 
> Saying that, these last 2 seasons have been a lot more entertaining 
> than most of the previous 14 - and I suppose at the end of the day I 
> pay to be entertained!
> 
> So I'll just keep the faith and believe in Bielsa!
> 
> (By the way, Man City's away kit?)
> 
> Ted H
> 
> 
> On Sat, 28 Sep 2019, 17:39 Richard Walker via Leedslist, < 
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> 
>> No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession 
>> and chances to win and there's an argument for that although I 
>> thought today was a disaster both in our performance and the manager's 
>> tactics.
>> At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and 
>> played 2 up front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned 
>> that and took off Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we 
>> were all over the shop and yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's 
>> obvious that he doesn't like doing it but more importantly it's 
>> obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell is going on when he's playing. 
>> Instructions were being handed to the players by paper and Bielsa and 
>> his entourage were all pacing around arms in the air frustrated for 
>> most of the second half. We had no central midfield in that 2nd half. 
>> Philips sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he got the ball he had no 
>> outlet in front of him. All out play had to come down the wings and 
>> that just didn't happen today. Helder Costa has been most fans choice 
>> to start but today's performance maybe tells you why he hasn't. He 
>> was bloody awful. Little chips, dinks, crosses - all to a red shirt 
>> and he was unable to take on his man. A real luxury player today we could 
>> have done without.
>> On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most 
>> effective player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and 
>> got into more good positions than anyone, Charlton were poor but they 
>> had a bit of pace and lots of fight in them and they frustrated the 
>> hell out of us. Second half was appalling time wasting but we could 
>> have still be playing all night and wouldn't have scored today.
>> We ended the game with a left and right winger who can't cross a 
>> ball, two players who are not match fit (Forshaw and Roberts) and a 
>> midfielder in Klich who has just completely forgotten how to shoot. 
>> He was the biggest disappointment today for me and I think his position 
>> should be rethought.
>> Is it all falling apart ? No. but today there was panic and confusion 
>> around the team and the way we just stopped playing through midfield 
>> second half was terrible. Bielsa will no doubt point to the fact that 
>> an extra attacker means being less effective in midfield - yes I get 
>> that but being totally ineffect

Re: [LU] LU leeds Derby

[nigel]

I think you're reacting to the wrong comments Paul.  You been reading Facebook 
posts?
Nobody on here said Bamford was sh*t or Bielsa doesn't know what he's doing.  
Quite the contrary...

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Paul Cundell
Sent: 21 September 2019 23:32
To: Jim Moran 
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] LU leeds Derby

Love this list me: Bamford is sh*t and Bielsa doesn't know what he's doing!

Seriously? We could have been 3 up by 75 minutes and should have been 2 up but 
for Klich trying to be a clever fcuk with the penalty. That he tried to pass it 
in to the net again is obviously Bamfords fault though.

75 minutes is significant because that's when Bielsa was forced to bring Pablo 
off due to Holmes doing a number on him. Obviously, Bielsa got it wrong again 
because he should have replaced Pablo with Pablo and must share some of the 
blame with Bamford for Klich's sh*te penalty.

MOT

Paul


On Sat, 21 Sep 2019, 21:28 Jim Moran,  wrote:

> Missed the game as I was working at the Yorkshire 2019 cycling champs, 
> a much better day out in the sun it appears.
>
> We’re top. We battered them. Eventually we will turn these 
> performances into 5-0.
>
> I’d like to see Bamford and Nketiah for the last 20.
>
> On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 at 20:28, Richard Naef < 
> rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > >Bielsa got this wrong. No ifs, no buts!
> >
> > Channelling Boris there are we John? 
> >
> > I think the blame lies with the players not MB, he's said he's been
> trying
> > to think how to play 2 strikers, probably at the expense of Klitch, 
> > but that would mean we'd create less chances in his opinion.  He 
> > sees the players very working day. I trust this thought processes, 
> > plus we are
> still
> > top and this seasons Championship looks very average.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On 21 Sep 2019, at 14:47,  <
> ni...@sykesonline.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm generally a Bamford fan, but it's starting to get difficult to
> > justify it.  He plays very well everywhere except where it matters most.
> > But still, for me the real problem is creating chances.  We have 
> > very little idea of how to break down the packed defences we see 
> > every week,
> and
> > one thing that really lets us down there is the quality of the crossing.
> > They're all poor, but Harrison in particular is dogshit when it 
> > comes to the final ball, and yet they mostly fall to him to make.
> > >
> > > And sadly, we've seen this happen so often now that I suspect that 
> > > many
> > of us DID see this coming at half time!  Certainly, as soon as Klich 
> > cockily missed that penalty.
> > >
> > > Nigel
> > > (the Dublin one)
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of David
> Smail
> > > Sent: 21 September 2019 14:41
> > > To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> > > Subject: [LU] LU leeds Derby
> > >
> > > Anyone not see this coming at half time? For all our 80% 
> > > possession and
> > 5 star first (machine) half performance - it's not good enough and 
> > we
> have
> > a BIG problem scoring and this may very well find us out. The 
> > problem continues.
> > >
> > > I thought just before Derby scored that I have never felt more 
> > > deflated
> > about a victory, or even draw in the end. I have to say it - again - 
> > Bamford gets on the end of things and won us a pen,  but his 
> > conversion rate is not there for a centre forward. 1-0 lead is never 
> > enough and we paid heavily today for that. We need somebody that can 
> > turn good chances into goals.
> > > C'mon MB, change it around - possession and chances is NOT enough!
> Don't
> > base an entire performance on how the" machine" is working, slip in 
> > a proven goal scorer. QED!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [LU] LU leeds Derby

[nigel]

Certainly at home.  I was saying the same thing to my lad in the middle of the 
first half.

> Seems obvious to me 
> Bamford and Eddie together ??
>
>Best regards,Scott. 

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Re: [LU] LU leeds Derby

[nigel]

I'm generally a Bamford fan, but it's starting to get difficult to justify it.  
He plays very well everywhere except where it matters most.  But still, for me 
the real problem is creating chances.  We have very little idea of how to break 
down the packed defences we see every week, and one thing that really lets us 
down there is the quality of the crossing.  They're all poor, but Harrison in 
particular is dogshit when it comes to the final ball, and yet they mostly fall 
to him to make.

And sadly, we've seen this happen so often now that I suspect that many of us 
DID see this coming at half time!  Certainly, as soon as Klich cockily missed 
that penalty. 

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of David Smail
Sent: 21 September 2019 14:41
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] LU leeds Derby

Anyone not see this coming at half time? For all our 80% possession and 5 star 
first (machine) half performance - it's not good enough and we have a BIG 
problem scoring and this may very well find us out. The problem continues. 

I thought just before Derby scored that I have never felt more deflated about a 
victory, or even draw in the end. I have to say it - again - Bamford gets on 
the end of things and won us a pen,  but his conversion rate is not there for a 
centre forward. 1-0 lead is never enough and we paid heavily today for that. We 
need somebody that can turn good chances into goals.
C'mon MB, change it around - possession and chances is NOT enough! Don't base 
an entire performance on how the" machine" is working, slip in a proven goal 
scorer. QED!

 

Dave



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Re: [LU] Bolton

[nigel]

They did vote for our 15 point deduction too, apparently.  So there's a certain 
schadenfreude to it.

Though personally I'm not for any teams going out of business...

Nigel 
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Robert Heath
Sent: 27 August 2019 18:34
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Bolton

I'm sorry, but I'm not shedding too many tears about the fate of Bolton.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't they the last team we played in the 
Premier League? I think they were, and I think I also recall that their fans 
were not overly sympathetic towards our plight.
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Re: [LU] Which one??!!

[nigel]

I have watched the extended highlights repeatedly.  It's doing an old fella's 
heart much good to see us play such great football.

And if anyone's seen the U18's goal from yesterday, well... Bielsa-ball runs 
deep in this team.  Simply marvellous...

https://twitter.com/jacko5/status/1166018155468267520

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Robert Heath
Sent: 27 August 2019 15:48
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Which one??!!

I have watched them over and over, but I can't quite decide which was 
better.Pablo's pass for the first goal or Pablo's pass for the 
third goal.

But if I had to choose, it must be the first one simply because he had so 
little time to size up the angle and weight required but played it one touch 
and both of those were perfection.
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Re: [LU] Forest

[nigel]

Nice summation and I pretty much agree with it all.

The bottom line is that we have continued to play pretty much exactly like we 
did for the second half of last season.  Which shouldn't be a surprise, given 
that the team hasn't changed a jot.  

Nigel 
(the Dublin one) 

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard walker via 
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Sent: 10 August 2019 20:00
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] Forest

Bielsa said after the match that we’d created 10 clear chances to win the game 
and that should have been enough. He’s right but how many times have we heard 
him say that since he arrived? It’s becoming almost as frequent as Simon 
Grayson saying ‘we put a shift in today’. 

Time and time again we got into goal scoring positions but due to the lack of 
quality of the final ball, which seemed at times to gravitate towards a red 
shirt, we failed to trouble the keeper. Jack Harrison was the main culprit. Yes 
he got himself into some great positions and made some great runs but time and 
time again he failed to find a white shirt. This got worse in the second half 
when you almost expected him to mess up when played in by yet another great 
cross field ball. Great things are expected of Harrison this season but on this 
showing he is struggling to live up to the pre-season hype.

Forest offered little in the first half and looked like they’d come for a point 
by sitting deep and making it difficult for us. At times, our play was laboured 
and we struggled to get the ball moving through midfield. The passing around at 
the back was laboured and whilst this seems like taking control away from home 
it looks like a team lacking ideas when we’re doing it for 5 minutes at home.

The main problem as I saw it was that Philips, Klich and Forshaw are all too 
similar and none were making runs which meant the only options to move the ball 
forward were long cross field balls to Harrison or down the right with 
Hernandez and Dallas. Luckily both those options were good for us.

Second half I thought Forest improved as they realised we were toothless and 
they could actually hurt us. They were a bit unlucky for our goal as the Forest 
man’s tackle ricocheted to Hernandez who placed it past the keeper.

Forest then brought Ameobi on they give it a go. Ameobi was fast and direct and 
we struggled to contain him. One of those runs resulted in the corner from 
which they scored. Forest were only going to score from a set piece or long 
throw but you sort of knew it was inevitable. From the NE upper it was hard to 
see what happened for the goal so I’ll wait for someone who saw it on the tv to 
tell me whether it was a defensive fuck up or unlucky. It just looked like we 
failed to clear.

We huffed and puffed at the end and Costa showed us he should have come on 29 
minutes earlier - bad mistake from Bielsa. Klich was out on his feet after 60 
minutes. Allioski replaced the ineffective Harrison but he looked ring rusty 
and failed to make an impact. Surely Jack Clarke on the left wing would have 
been the better option ? What’s the point of having him back on loan ?

Overall, we should have won, but we didn’t and we need to be better if we’re 
expecting promotion this season. Forest were a big physical team that made it 
hard for us. They offered little but in a way they did a job on us.

Kiko - 5. Had literally nothing to do other than pick the ball out of the back 
of the net. His kicking was dodgy today.

Dallas - 8. I thought he was arguably our best player today. His forward 
running is direct and opens things up. I thought he also defended well.

Douglas - 6. Did ok, got forward first half and nearly got himself in a goal 
scoring position only to be denied by a great Forest tackle. Tired second half.

White - 7. Generally sound but he had one or 2 moments where he came off 2nd 
best. Still decent for a new centre back. think he reads the game well.

Cooper - 8. I thought he defended very well and some of his cross field balls 
were very effective. His challenge in the 2nd half when Forest were attacking 
was top drawer. Took ball and man. Great stuff.

Phillips - 6. Didn’t do anything wrong. Some great passes and some duff passes 
into space. Always available and always working hard but at times he’s so 
pedestrian it’s untrue. There’s no way this lad is a premiership footballer but 
he’s doing ok.

Forshaw - 7. I thought he was our best midfielder today. Never spectacular but 
there was a spell in the 2nd half where he just kept us together through 
harrying and winning the ball. Ultimately I think him , Philips and Klich are 
too similar to play together at home (maybe away is better).

Klich - 4. I’m worried about Klich. There’s no doubts that he is not the same 
player we saw scoring all those goals in the first half of last season. We saw 
a steady decline last season and this seems to have continued in the first 2 
games. Watching him today he’s playing almost as a 2nd striker

Re: [LU] Halt time

[nigel]

Yep.  Just a continuation of last season in general.  But then, with that 11, 
why would it be any different?

We'll still be a better team than most in this division.  But just think of how 
much better than them we could be with just a couple of really good signings.  


Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
Sent: 04 August 2019 17:27
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Halt time

So far so good  it all same as last time - not converting chances and dodgy at 
times at back Quality finish by pablo 
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Re: [LU] non LU - VAR & offside

[nigel]

I think they should adopt a cricket-like approach.  If the VAR shows that they 
are only just offside, like the "big toe" scenario, then it should go with the 
officials' original decision.  Only if it is clearly offside (above a certain 
margin - maybe 20cm?) should they use VAR to overrule the decision.  And maybe 
allow less leeway on things incorrectly ruled offside by the assistant referee, 
to give the attacking side more chance.

Nigel
(the Dublin, and now Irish(!) one)

On 3 Jul 2019 at 10:26, nat...@sky.com wrote:

> Watching the womens semi final last night it made me even more 
> convinced that if they are going to use VAR for offside decisions they 
> need to tweak the offside rule Both v Cameroon when it went for 
> England and last night when it went against them the decision to 
> overrule a goal due to the striker being offside by an inch (in the Cameroon 
> game she was facing the 'wrong way') I thought that this was bad for the game 
> in general Quite often when a player is out wide and is offside the 'expert' 
> summariser will say that it is bad football since that player can look right 
> down the line and judge his run.That is fine when he gets ahead of the 
> defence but it is impossible for a player who is 'level' to judge if any 
> relevant part of his body is ahead of the defender Most recent rule changes 
> have had the intention (albeit sometimes the opposite result) of speeding the 
> game up and making it more likely for teams to have chances and thus more 
> exciting and entertainingThis offside by an inch via VAR will have the 
> opposite effect , with really good , well worked goals being chalked off. 
> Last night, for example was a lovely flick through, a well timed run and good 
> finish and yet ruled out because her big toe was in front of the defenders 
> big toe Surely if they are going to use VAR for this the rule should be (as 
> linesmen were told the other year) to only be offside if there is 'clear 
> daylight' between the attacker and the defender - this will give both players 
> the ability tom judge when to make a run / when to hold a line etc. It will 
> still penalise a player for gaining an advantage by being ahead of the 
> defenders but not penalise someone who is to all intents and purposes 'level'
> Problem solved
> Still do not like VAR in its present format - they should really stick 
> to the 'clear and obvious mistake' - one that a single quick review , 
> done in seconds will sort out Dave 
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Re: [LU] VAR

[nigel]

It's so like the football authorities to mess this up.  VAR is already ruining 
goal celebration for fans.  I know it takes the edge off those moments of joy 
in other sports too, but those sports tend to have way more occasions to 
celebrate.  In a football match there might only be one such moment, and to 
have that joy removed by "oh, we'll have to wait for the VAR to decide if 
anything untoward went on in the minute beforehand" ruins it.

And why, oh why, can't they stop the clock - give that to someone off the field 
to control?  That's one thing they could have taken from other sports, but 
stubbornly refuse to.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

The Rev wrote:

I watched about 10 mins before wondering why?

One observation though - I note MOTD, or any other male footie game these days, 
has at least 1 female commentator, giggling alongside Paul Ince or whoever. 
Women’s world cup - 4 female commentators. Don’t get me wrong, in the main they 
all talk gramatically incorrect rubbish, but just an observation!

One other observation - teams are going to have to start finding goalies taller 
than 4ft 6”!

> On 9 Jun 2019, at 17:49, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> Watched the England v Swiss game and now (sort of watching ) lionesses 
> v jockettes or whatever they call themselves IF the 2 VAR decisions 
> are going to be typical of decisions going forward - we are going to 
> see lots and lots of penalties for handball - she was stood a yard 
> away when it hit her hand , but this was the 'arm out to affect 
> things' rule meant the ref gave England a penalty In the proper game 
> if the foul by Wilson is enough to disallow a goal we are going to see 
> lots of goals from corners and free kicks chalked off due to 'pushing 
> and pulling ' in the area In fact I can see plenty of times when a 
> goal is scored from a corner and the ref via VAR will see that a 
> forward pushed someone and cancel the goal but then see that a 
> defender had pulled an attackers shirt before that, and so give a 
> penalty ? Then when the pen is saved VAR will show the keeper moved 
> and so it will be re-taken - it will be mental Going to be hard to 
> celebrate any goal properly when worried about it being cancelled via 
> VAR Also looking at the VAR on Thursday for the offside - are we sure 
> that the equipment is good enough ? It will depend on them being able 
> to line up exactly the position of the players when the ball was 
> kicked - a split second later (eg when the pass has gone an inch or 
> more) the position of the players will be different - 2 players 
> running in opposite directions - and so may look offside especially if 
> half a boot is enough to say 'offside' - not the clear and obvious I 
> though they needed ? In cricket they stay with the umpire on Hawkeye 
> precisely because they know the equipment is not 100% accurate Add to 
> that the extra time needed (7minutes time added on on Thursday) and it 
> is a real can of worms (Not that any of it will affect us this coming 
> season as it will only apply in the Prem) 

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Re: [LU] Question

[nigel]

I never said anything about him specifically scoring goals. Merely that he had 
become our only player with the vision to unlock stacked defences, and that he 
has sadly lost that ability towards the end of the season.  So we as a team are 
now clueless at how to create a scoring chance.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Nick Allen
Sent: 28 April 2019 18:22
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Question

Pablo is a midfield player. His primary task is not goal scoring. Nevertheless 
he has carried us to victory in several recent games. 

He is our player of the season by a fucking mile. 

Sent from my iPad

> On 28 Apr 2019, at 15:37,   
> wrote:
> 
> It has been a season and a half, certainly.  But today's game was (apart from 
> the 5 minutes of mayhem) exactly like all the others in recent times - we are 
> toothless in front of goal to a degree that would be hilarious if it wasn't 
> us.
> 
> I think that the problem boils down to a simple lack of vision in our mostly 
> average players.  Once Saiz left and Alioski and Hernandez mystifyingly lost 
> their vision and ability to pass, we have been left with nothing but a "pass 
> to a white shirt" mentality, which sure gives us a lot of possession, but 
> achieves nothing in front of goal.
> 
> I don't know what's happened to Pablo - but at the end of the day he's 34 and 
> since his early days at Valencia he hasn't exactly excelled.  So maybe the 
> chink in his armour is not being able to handle pressure like we've seen at 
> the end of this season? 
> 
> Nigel 
> (the Dublin one)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Mark Pilling
> Sent: 28 April 2019 15:19
> To: leedslist 
> Subject: [LU] Question
> 
> What a season so far!
> 
> Adore Bielsa, what he's done with our mediocre bunch! The football we've 
> played. His philosophies, behaviour and manner.
> 
> Love the attitude of the players, willing to learn, to work, to will and 
> believe.
> 
> Love that I've been able to watch every game on my TV.
> 
> My question.why are we so 'inefficient' and how can we become more 
> efficient?
> 
> Is it the quality of the front men?
> Or the service they are getting?
> Are we too good? (so many teams just parking the bus) Are we too predictable?
> Don't we know how to unpick a packed defence?
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Re: [LU] Question

[nigel]

It has been a season and a half, certainly.  But today's game was (apart from 
the 5 minutes of mayhem) exactly like all the others in recent times - we are 
toothless in front of goal to a degree that would be hilarious if it wasn't us.

I think that the problem boils down to a simple lack of vision in our mostly 
average players.  Once Saiz left and Alioski and Hernandez mystifyingly lost 
their vision and ability to pass, we have been left with nothing but a "pass to 
a white shirt" mentality, which sure gives us a lot of possession, but achieves 
nothing in front of goal.

I don't know what's happened to Pablo - but at the end of the day he's 34 and 
since his early days at Valencia he hasn't exactly excelled.  So maybe the 
chink in his armour is not being able to handle pressure like we've seen at the 
end of this season? 

Nigel 
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Mark Pilling
Sent: 28 April 2019 15:19
To: leedslist 
Subject: [LU] Question

What a season so far!

Adore Bielsa, what he's done with our mediocre bunch! The football we've 
played. His philosophies, behaviour and manner.

Love the attitude of the players, willing to learn, to work, to will and 
believe.

Love that I've been able to watch every game on my TV.

My question.why are we so 'inefficient' and how can we become more 
efficient?

Is it the quality of the front men?
Or the service they are getting?
Are we too good? (so many teams just parking the bus) Are we too predictable?
Don't we know how to unpick a packed defence?
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Re: [LU] 4 More Cup Finals

[nigel]

Gotta agree Rev.

I think Alioski has been off the boil for the last few games - after being 
truly excellent for several games before that.

The midfield is a bit absent quite a lot, to be honest.  I forgot Klich was 
even playing for much of today's game.  And Berardi does not look at all 
comfortable with the passing around at the back.

But none of that matters tonight!

On the really positive side, we mostly looked like we knew where the net was 
today, which has certainly not been true of a lot of games this season.  Shots 
a plenty!

Nigel
(the Dublin and sometimes France one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of John Lee via 
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Sent: 13 April 2019 19:41
To: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: [LU] 4 More Cup Finals

Blimey, that was a tough watch. Absolutely deserved the win, from start to 
finish, but at 1-0, and our propensity to give the ball away in key areas, it 
wasn’t enjoyable until the ref blew.

No matter how enjoyable the final result, I will point out 2 gripes.

Alioski - some utterly desperate passes and crosses today, and some very poor 
decision making. There was something between him and Pontus at the beginning 
too - it didn’t look entirely friendy/supportive - maybe Pontus said “try and 
pass it to a white shirt for a change” :-)

Casillas - if this guy is supposed to generate calm it is not working. His 
punching when he should catch it, his catching generally, and his attitude to 
f***ing up are very irritating, and today he spooked me good and proper!

Imagine, if Millwall could take penalties? 

I reckon Sheffield have another defeat in them, so we just have to win!



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Re: [LU] Preston

[nigel]

Nice hands-on report, and matches well with the view from my French armchair.

I think Bamford is a good player, but that he isn't necessarily an ideal fit 
for the role he's been given.  He's great at holding up the ball and his vision 
seems good.  But his striker's instincts seem a little lacking sometimes.  I 
think he needs a second striker playing with him - I imagine he'd look fabulous 
with a Rod Wallace type playing alongside him.

Nigel
(the Dublin and occasional France one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
Sent: 10 April 2019 10:04
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Preston

Well only my second away of the season and I must be Bamfords good luck charm 
since the other was Bolton - so I have seen us win 1-0 and now 2-0 with all 3 
of our goals being scored by Bamford I forgot how much fun away games are - we 
arrived in Preston at 3pm and went straight in the big pub near the station to 
find it full of Leeds fans (as were the other 3 pubs we went in) something you 
never really see in Leeds , mind you with 5,400 Leeds fans there we were bound 
to take over the place My seat was 2 rows from the front so it meant I got a 
great close up view of stuff in the area nearest to us but could not really get 
an overview of the game We definitely deserved the 3 points since i do not 
remember Kiko having a single save to make and apart from one shot that went 
into the side netting  I don't think they had a chance worthy of the name.The 
first half was a bit of a non event ,we controlled the game and had a few long 
range shots most of which did not trouble the keeper but the general mood at 
half time was that it was just a matter of time We then got the bit of luck we 
so desperately needed - Bamford was put through a fair way from goal and was 
hauled down - the ref thought it was a 'professional foul by the last man 
stopping a goal scoring opportunity' - most of us thought 'Bamford would have 
missed!'
Against ten men we all felt that our style of play would mean that the chances 
would come and goals would follow, and what a goal the first one was. Bamford 
intercepted a pass took at touch to get it onto his left foot and that from 
just outside the area he hammered it into the top corner - we had a great view 
as it flew towards us only being stopped by the goal net - what a cracker and 
what a way for Bamford to get his scoring back on track We felt that one goal 
would be enough but wanted the second to make sure - we nearly got it when 
Bamford fed Ayling but his shot grazed the post. Then almost in slow motion 
Klich got the ball in the area and chipped it to the unmarked Bamford whose 
header from outside the 6yd area looped over the keeper 2-0 and game over.
We should have gone for it and tried to get our goal difference to match 
Sheffields but we seemed content to keep the ball and see the game out - 
Bamford could, should?, have had his hat trick when he was through clear on 
goal but took his time and the defender got back to make a challenge.
We never looked like conceding but we did give away a number of free kicks in 
dangerous positions and that was the only way you could see them getting back 
into it So a very important win - we needed it and got it - puts the pressure 
on Sheff U for tonights game when hopefully Monk will get his team to do us a 
favour The kind guard on the train threw all the young and noisy Leeds fans out 
of first class but let me and my mate stay there because "you are behaving and 
being nice" - he even brought us (and some other fans he allowed in) a free 
bottle of water - result So come on Brum tonight and then roll on Saturday - we 
will know what we need to do v a resurgent Sheff Wed who have a small chance of 
making the play offs - something we achieved last night, so whatever happens a 
successful season. I could not believe some of the crap talked about Bamford on 
waccoe etc, one dickhead even posting "he should never play for us again" - I 
have maintained that he is a class player who would come good , well he did 
last night , so lets hope it is the start of a proper scoring spree for the lad 
So 5 games to go and all to play for Dave 
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Re: [LU] WBA

[Nigel Sykes]

My worst was probably midweek away at Plymouth in the 89/90 season.  All that 
way, time off work, and a 0-0 draw so dull that the only memorable thing was us 
Leeds fans singing Marching On Together like a slowed-down record, to show how 
turgid it all was.

Nigel 
(the Dublin one)

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via Leedslist
Sent: 02 March 2019 14:50
To: Ted; Ian Murray
Cc: leedslist
Subject: Re: [LU] WBA

Well games like that do make up for some of the dross I've seen over the years.

I think the worst game involving Leeds that I've ever seen was an absolutely 
dire 0-0 draw against Derby County in front of about 15K bored, freezing 
spectators in which the most exciting action was the kick off.  This was in the 
1988/9 season I think.  It was also the first and, not uncoincidentally, the 
last game I ever took my then girlfriend to.

Graham White

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[LU] Wow

[Nigel Sykes]

Unbelievable difference tonight.

Did you hear the dozy bollox co-commentator say that West Brom were the best
equipped of the top 4 to finish in the top 2?  While they were being killed
3-0 at the time?  God, the idiots they get on all hate us.

 

Nigel

(the Dublin one)

 

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Re: [LU] sad news - I used to watch the videos (even linked them on here for goals)

[Nigel Sykes]

That's very sad news Dave.  Condolences to all your family.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of 
nat...@sky.com
Sent: 17 February 2019 21:41
To: Leeds List
Subject: [LU] sad news - I used to watch the videos (even linked them on here 
for goals)

It's with a heavy heavy heart I have to announce the passing of my Dad aka 'MR 
#WALMOT'. My dad took great pleasure in making vids for all the #LUFC family, 
whether it was here, insta or FB. I just hope the boys can do my Dad proud and 
finish what they've started

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Re: [LU] Baker?

[Nigel Sykes]

This should at least shut up the BPF hating faction for a while.  He's been 
outstanding so far today.  Though I did read that people were having a go at 
him on Twatter for not saving the penalty!

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

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Re: [LU] Team v QPR.

[Nigel Sykes]

It is on TV abroad.  So no doubt available to be picked up online somewhere...

https://www.livesoccertv.com/match/3188698/queens-park-rangers-vs-leeds-united/

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Andy Brown
Sent: 04 January 2019 19:29
To: Matt Anderson
Cc: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Team v QPR.

Why is the team announced 2 days before the game? Is it on tv being Sunday?

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Re: [LU] Villa - what a f**ing result and deserved

[Nigel Sykes]

That's right made my Christmas has that!

Still think we need some signings though, cos no matter how much of a silk 
purse Bielsa's witchcraft is making, there are surely better players out there 
than some of our depleted squad.

I'm cheered by this "in the last 10 seasons the team who's top at Christmas has 
always gone up automatically" stat too...

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of 
nat...@sky.com
Sent: 23 December 2018 15:30
To: Leeds List; Richard Walker
Subject: Re: [LU] Villa - what a f**ing result and deserved

 To have 8 , yes 8 first team squad players out (cooper, Bamford, Douglas, 
Dallas, Roberts , Pearce, Brown and Berardi) another teenager making his debut 
(Davies) 2 down at half time and yet we go on to win 3-2 just unbelievable - 
Bielsa really is a footballing geniusPontus man of match, but heroes all round 
and what a great finish by Roofe to win itClarke will be a superstar. Never say 
die and really go for it - great to watch as wellNot even going to mention the 
2 penalties we should have had !
Merry Christmas to all
On Sunday, 23 December 2018, 14:25:58 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 2 down but I think we've been the better team despite not playing well. 
Forshaw and Hernandez must have been at the boxing last night because their 
passing as been terrible. Hernandez really annoys me when he plays like this. 
Just simple balls played so lazily and inaccurately. This is why he is not 
playing in the PL.

They've got 2 guys up front who are probably the best strikers in the league 
and we've got a makeshift defence. Don't tell me that we didn't need some 
players in January. Philips is no central defender - just look at his 
contribution (or non-contribution) to their goal.

What has happened to Klich? He's still doing ok and he is getting into good 
positions but doesn't look like he can buy a goal. 

Harrison has done nothing surely now has to go off to be replaced by Clarke.

I think we can get back into this but it's always likely they will score again.

4-3 LEEDS.


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Re: [LU] Ipswich report

[Nigel Sykes]

It was certainly good to see us not look clueless again. Amazing how two 
players whom I didn't rate much last season could turn out to be so influential 
for us this one.

The real test will come this weekend though.  Cos there's no getting around the 
fact that so far, 5 of our 7 wins are against teams who're currently in the 
bottom 8!

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

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nat...@sky.com
Sent: 25 October 2018 10:46
To: Leeds List
Subject: [LU] Ipswich report

"United are back, United are back"
Well those of you who thought that we had been 'rumbled' may have to re-think 
things after a totally dominant display and a real return to the peak 
'Bielasball' last night - albeit against a very poor team who were low on 
confidence
Two slight moans - first, the crowd, whislt good in terms of numbers was as 
quiet during the first half as I can remember (practice for the Prem?) Secondly 
the fact that despite it being shooting practice at the end and almost the 
oldkids game of attack v defence we only managed 2 goals
However these two gripes are totally overshadowed by a tremendous performance, 
all made possible by the return of the magician , Pablo Hernandez, who was 
sublime and went through their back line like the proverbial knife through 
butter. He was a joy to watch and when he plays like this you wonder what he is 
doing in this Division. How we have missed him especially at home when faced 
with a team who pack the defence and come for a draw.
The other returnee, Kemar Roofe, also proved , yet again, that he is a centre 
forward not a winger, and when he is allowed to play up top he gets results, 
this time a lovely timed header when he got between the 2 defenders and met a 
brilliant cross by Pablo - the finish very similar to the goal v Derby (?) He 
buzzed around and caused them problems all evening.
Everyone played their part last night, with all 3 subs also doing well. Dallas 
showed what he can still offer something going forward and had one attempt just 
wide and one lovely run when he actually took on and beat two defenders. Pearce 
showed that he does still have a future- like the rest of us he must have 
wondered why he did not get the nod ahead of Dallas when Douglas got injured. 
Forshaw fitted into the system as if he was born into it and also went close 
with a rasping drive, he replaced the slightly subdued Saiz and kept the ball 
moving with little Batty-esque type passing and interceptions. 

We could have had a hatful with Alisoki coming closest to adding to the total 
with a great run and shot that came back from the inside of the post - he was 
another player who was back to his best last night , with a cross in the first 
half nearly causing a goal as the keeper could only parry it back into the 
danger zone.
The second goal and the one that eased all our tension off the pitch and led to 
total capitulation from Ipswich on it, was brilliant and well worked - a short 
corner came back to Pablo and his cross was superbly dummied by Phillips(?) and 
fell to Cooper who side footed it with his right from the edge of the box - yes 
League -One Liam as some call him finsihed with real skill and aplomb. That 
ended the game as a contest (if it ever was, since all  they managed was one 
easily saved header in the first half and were almost gifted a goal by Ayling 
right at the death) and it became almost a procession of us coming forward and 
having pot shots and scrambles - their keeper was their man of the match (and 
beaten only by Pablo for THE MoM)
It was a perfect response to the Blackburn defeat - a bit worrying that Berardi 
went off , presumably injured but with Bielsa, who knows it could have been 
tactical. Bielsa again used his subs wisely and excitingly making a double sub 
with over 30mins to go and no more cards to play. I love the way he re-acts to 
what is happening on the pitch - some managers seem to pre-plan the sub one 
striker for another on 60 mins every game or making no subs at all until time 
wasting at the end of a game.
With other results going our way this week - Boro being held at home by 
Rotherham and West Brom getting hammered at home by Derby means 'we are top'the 
league, say we are top'the league' - these results confirming what we already 
knew , this League is totally competitive and any result is possible in any 
match. This also elevates our performance and result last night - Man City v 
Cardiff or whoever is top and bottom of the Prem is pretty much a nailed on 
home win, that is not the case in the Championship (look at Birmingham turning 
us over when we were top and they were bottom or next to bottom) so beating 
Ipswich whilst expected was in no way a foregone conclusion and we needed to be 
at or near our best to do it, and that is what we were, back to our best
So onwards and upwards - with Forest to come Saturday evening - we will know by 
kick o

Re: [LU] Preston

[Nigel Sykes]

> Watching it on the red button is crap though - one camera, no close-ups, no 
> replays, and a commentator bred in Dullsville!
> John

What's that all about?  I variously watched last night's game via either the 
LUFC stream or via the iFollow website's stream (which had the Preston 
commentators).  Booth had multi-cameras, close-ups, replays etc.  Why don't Sky 
get to use that feed?

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

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Re: [LU] Preston

[Nigel Sykes]

Yep.  Pretty much agree with all that.  Though I think that 6 for Roberts is 
generous, even with the 2 well taken goals!  He was dogshit otherwise.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of 
{broken-address} Richard Walker
Sent: 19 September 2018 07:31
To: Leeds List
Subject: [LU] Preston

could have been 7. Apart from first 10 mins and 5 minutes in 2nd half we were 
much better team. Really good performance against a team who will be relegated 
this season.
Scores:
Peacock - 8. Not much to do.  One disallowed goal, a good early save, a few 
back pass type shots and one dodgy cross that he had to parry in first half
Ayling - 7. Shocking start where he just kept losing out but he steadied and 
played well 
Douglas - 7. Steady away - decent going forward
Cooper - 8. One dodgy pass that put us under ressure but overall great 
defending. Scored as well, really cant expect anymore from a captain and you 
have to say that he is one of the most improved players from last season. 
Jansson - 9. Rock solid defending. Back to his best
Siaz - 9. At the heart of everything. Needs a goal.
Philips - 8. One or two dodgy passes and tackles but overall I thought he was 
very impressive albeit against pedestrian opposition.
Klich - 8. Should have had 2 but overall I thought he was very impressive. He's 
strong, plays great football and is a strong runner. I think he's a great 
player. See his cross for Robert's second goal.
Allioski - 7. Lively but annoying. 
Harrison - 7. Lively first half, quiet second and should have had a goal after 
a great ball through from Siaz 
Roberts - 6. Really pleased for the lad. He took his goal well after a good 
goal from Philips and then looked like he wanted the ball. He was terrible 
first half and I would have considered taking him off but all credit to him. 
Hopefully he can kick on against Brum.
Subs - not on long.



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Re: [LU] Telly Stuff

[Nigel Sykes]

Great tip Betty!  Having just arrived in France to find the handset on our
satellite box had stopped working (so I would be unable to retune it to
include Quest), I was wondering how I was going to watch the highlights.

Problem solved!

Nigel
(the Dublin/France one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of John
Boocock
Sent: 25 August 2018 22:14
To: Leedslist
Subject: [LU] Telly Stuff

Just realised that the EFL show is not only on Quest HD free view (114 
as opposed to shit view 37) but it's on the web (www.questod.co.uk) and 
there's an android app and an iOS app. I watched today's goals under a 
deep midnight blue, moonlit sky with a bottle of white (natch) on my 
tablet up the back yard. Get tunneling comrades. Foxtrot Oscar Lineker

Betty
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Re: [LU] Bielsa

[Nigel Sykes]

I hear what you're saying, but it's my opinion that a good team will always 
impose their style of play on the opposition. Sure, they may tinker with minor 
aspects, or a player or two here and there, but they should generally do what 
they do and let the opposition worry about them.  Going into each game thinking 
about how to combat the opposition strengths more than how to impose your own 
is what weak teams do.  I don't think teams win championships doing that.

So I for one applaud Bielsa's attitude.  I think it is what got us a draw the 
other night, and I think it will instil a belief in the team that they can get 
results, home or away.

I do agree though that he needs to find a way to keep the team playing the way 
he wants them to without relying so much on Saiz.  Because shutting him down 
(and frustrating him in the process, so he gets petulant and booked etc.) was 
what caused us the most problems last year, and without him operating freely we 
will struggle to be as effective.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of 
nat...@sky.com
Sent: 24 August 2018 11:30
To: Leeds List
Subject: [LU] Bielsa

I remember posting a while back questioning how MB will cope if and when other 
teams suss us out - I suggested that he would have a Plan B, C and even D - 
from his presser yesterday this clearly is not the case
He has one Plan - Plan A and if that is not working he will tinker with 
personnel etc until it does - he will not be changing the way we play.
Not sure I 100% agree with this Crespo story - I (as a parent and cub leader) 
see nothing wrong with telling a youngster something that is not true if it 
helps them in their development etc - surely part of being a manager is knowing 
when to 'big someone up and when to pull them down a peg or two' - instilling 
belief is not a bad thing even if you have to lie / exaggerate a bit)

I do get the meaning behind the story - a manager cannot tell a team how to 
play and tell them this is the best way and then change it when the game is 
going against them -but I am  not sure he is correct, surely there is an 
argument for 'horses for courses' and on occasion adapting your method to cope 
with the opposition ?

I do  have faith in MB and to be honest the early games have been great to 
watch , even Swansea when we never really hit the heights was excellent at 
times but I worry what will happen  if we cannot impose our style on other 
teams .
Various things went wrong last season - having a rubbish keeper and the defence 
losing confidence in him, injury to ayling, Saiz being banned, not having a 
reliable goal scorer etc BUT one of the main things was being 'found out'/ 
being bullied by the likes of Millwall and Cardiff - will this side be able to 
stand up to teams like that ? Coming from behind twice at Swansea is a good 
start but it is very early days
Anyway lets hope we can continue our early season form - Norwich away and 
Middlesboro at home are both difficult games (not that many look easy on paper 
in this Division) - so 4 or 6 points would be amazing.
I expected us to have 4* or 5 points rather than the 10 we have so it has been 
a great start  (fancied a point v Stoke with it being first game at home v a 
relegated team, 0pts at Derby, 3 at home to Rotherham, and 0 or maybe 1 v 
Swansea)
Dave
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Re: [LU] Norwich v Leeds

[Nigel Sykes]

Yep - on all the usual international channels (beIN etc.)

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Guy
Thornton
Sent: 23 August 2018 21:01
To: Leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] Norwich v Leeds

I know the game is at 15.00 BST on Saturday, the traditional time for
footie, and neither Sky or BT 
are showing it but I gather the game has been selected as the Championship
match for 
international broadcasting.

No idea what stations or channels will be showing it but can anyone confirm
this is the case?

guy
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Re: [LU] Kids

[Nigel Sykes]

I dropped into 2 WorldNets - Leicester (where my car was broken into outside
the park) and the one near Adel in Leeds.

Still got my Lards team shirt in the wardrobe too...

Nigel
(the Dublin one).

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Adams
Sent: 23 August 2018 13:21
To: Damian Walsh; LEEDSLIST
Subject: Re: [LU] Kids

And I still look back fondly at Damian's booze and charcuterie table that
seemed to appear pitchside before every Lards game at WorldNet! Does
WorldNet still exist? The two that I attended still loom large in my memory
as weekends of great fun with a bunch of people I had only just met but felt
like I had known for years! Both events were probably the one and only time
I met a lot of listers, Betty, Damian, Maggie Barber, Voicey, Adie Turford,
the tall skinny Asian kid who was a decent striker, King of Tonga, Prince of
Tonga, some Scandi bloke who came back to London with a few of us and ended
up staying at my house because he didn't have anywhere to stay before his
flight home the next day. I might even have met Thirkers at one of them as
well.


Jeremy


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Damian Walsh

Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 1:09:40 AM
To: leedslist
Subject: Re: [LU] Kids

What a thread to welcome us out of hibernation along with the green shoots
of the Bielsa revival :)..

1996 - had 2, now 5. They are all Leeds supporters though some a bit more
vaguely than others.

The eldest 2 have been to Elland Road but it was a traumatic match - the 1
- 0 defeat to Fulham under O' Dreary which (for me anyway) marked a
tangible starting point to our subsequent decline - so none of us have been
back since. In any case, the five year old just wanted to fight the Fulham
fans after they scored and as she's in her twenties now she'd get arrested.
She does live in Leeds though at the moment, being a post-grad student at
whatever they call Leeds Met nowadays.

Congratulations to the new father BTW!

Damian



On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 2:26 AM, Neil Hackett  wrote:

> Joined around 1999.
>
> Now have a 12 year old boy. I tried him at football but he prefers rugby,
> and is a solid scrum half. No real interest in Leeds.
>
> And an 11 year old girl. A good centre mid but she much prefers, and does
> better at (ice hockey).
> My God we are all old.
>
> Just to aggravate you all...
>
> I watched the second half of the Swansea game and thought we did well. We
> forced them into countless turnovers. That is how you score against an
> organized team.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 22, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Øystein Bjøndal Lund 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Is it really that long time ago?
> >
> > Put in other words; am I really that old?
> >
> > Unfortunately, yes. It also means we have been out of the top flight for
> a man-age or something …
> >
> >
> >
> > I joined the list “a few days” (it must have been) after the t-shirt… at
> the time of vax.ox something. My company had the email system on a
> mainframe the time as well, and how I found the list I have no idea.
> >
> > Some of the highlights include walking around studying the Yorkshire
> house architecture with Betty, on our way to a Leeds ladies game, mind. We
> eventually got there, as well, to see some of it.
> >
> > And there were this ascii map (look it up!) to go from Derby train
> station to my first ever list meet at Brunswick (how come I still remember
> these things, my oldest son was transported in a buggy - was seated on my
> lap - and at Elland Road some days later he was not allowed to the lap, or
> at lest had to buy a seat for him, that he could not use, was too little…)
> >
> > There are a plenty full of more highlights, and even more memories…
> >
> > This son, Torleif, came on a tour with me to see us vs Luton together
> with 27 136 others, March 2007, he was then 11… Meaning we were already on
> our way down at the time. Also meaning he is now 22, and couldn’t care
less
> about football nor Leeds United. He is only member of the LUSC of
> Scandinavia because I pay, and did in all these years…
> >
> > His 3 years younger brother, is also still a LUSCOS member for the same
> reason, but he even never wanted to come over with me to attend a game
(!)…
> >
> > Neither of them are interested in any footy side, not in any footy
> competition, etc. I wonder where did I go wrong? (At least they don’t
> support the foe)
> >
> > I have been over from time to time, but not as frequent as from 1995 and
> the more or less 10 next years…
> >
> > Back to Lurk mode
> >
> > Øystein
> >
> >
> >
> >

Re: [LU] Kids

[Nigel Sykes]

Two boys in my squad. First one is 25, so was already around when I joined the 
list in the mid-90's. Youngest is now 20. Both are Leeds fans, despite growing 
up in Dublin and generally being the only ones in their classes at school.




Both have been to a few games with me over the years,  but neither are that 
invested to be honest - the youngest hasn't really any interest in sport and 
the eldest is obsessed with American Football (as am I,  to be fair).




Nigel


(the Dublin one)
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Re: [LU] Non LU - New Leeds Fan

[Nigel Sykes]

Congratulations to all!

Here's hoping he's more lucky than my eldest son who was born in 1993, and
so has never seen his team win anything!

(I also foisted the support of the Washington Redskins on him, and they too
last won the Super Bowl in 1992.  Poor lad...)

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Ian
Murray
Sent: 21 August 2018 14:02
To: Leeds List
Subject: [LU] Non LU - New Leeds Fan

Hey all

Very pleased to announce the fact that on Thursday my wife Nicky gave birth
to our first son and Leeds fan, Finlay (Finn) James Murray.

Finn and I watched the Rotherham game in hospital together and he was very
pleased with our performance.

I am sure that he will think that us winning the league is just one of those
things that happens routinely - which is how I felt in 1992.  I am so
re-invigorated with Bielsa that I have bought an android box so that I dont
have to miss any games this season from Perth - if they are not on that then
they can be streamed on the leeds website.  I have also spent an
unreasonable amount of cash on LUFC baby tat to dress the lad in.

Anyway, I am just telling everyone I know because I can't smile wide enough
right now.

MOT

Ian
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Re: [LU] Rotherham

[Nigel Sykes]

-Original Message-
Richard Walker wrote:
Can't remember anyone else coming on ? 

Pontus came on (for a midfielder) near the end.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

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Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts

[Nigel Sykes]

You can’t base everything on stats, but for what it’s worth our stats show that 
our pass accuracy over the past several years is pretty stable at around 74%.  
Our average in the first two games was 73.6%, so basically the same.  No stats 
for last night, but I suspect it would be slightly less, if anything.

For comparison, the better Premier League teams generally run well into the 
80’s.  I suspect that Bielsa will want us to at least improve on previous 
seasons.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

 

From: Nicholas Armit [mailto:arm...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: 15 August 2018 17:38
To: 'Leeds List'; Nigel Sykes
Subject: Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts

 

Didn't see yesterday's game much but from the first two games I thought our 
passing has been excellent. Way ahead of previous years.

 

On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 5:49:21 AM EDT, Nigel Sykes 
 wrote: 

 

 

Yep - pretty much totally agree.

I thought we looked fairly good in the first half, though without quite as much 
'zip' as in the previous 2 games. In the 2nd half though, the 'zip' had gone 
and I commented that it was much more like watching us last season.  It was a 
pretty even 2nd half and could have easily ended in penalties.

Apart from the lower energy of the B-team, the biggest problem this season is 
passing.  We got away with the passes to the opposition in the first two games 
because we hustled so much to get the ball back.  But last night the passing 
was even worse and the hustle wasn't enough to balance it out.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of 
{broken-address} Richard Walker
Sent: 15 August 2018 09:30
To: Leeds List
Subject: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts

Interesting game. We made 8 changes so big chance for the B-team. We started 
like we have done in all the games and for 35 minutes I thought we looked good 
with Pearce and Shackleton doing well as wing backs. 
But then I thought we ran out of steam and maybe that's the difference in 
fitness levels and skills between the B-Team and the first 11 ? I thought we 
returned to some of the aimless square and backward balls at the back that we 
have seen under previous managers. The gap between defence and midfield got 
wider and as a result we became less effective. Bolton then began to cause a 
threat and in the end they could have got a result and you have to remember 
they made 9 changes too ! 
So in the end I was happy with the result but it made me think that maybe some 
of our squad players are not going to be able to support a promotion push this 
season. 
Blackman - 7. one bad spill which should have been a goal for them. 
Shackleton - 7. I like the look of this lad. Ok, he lost possession a few times 
and looked at times like he was struggling but you can see he's got quality. 
Pearce - 6. He's a bit more pedestrian than Shackleton and definitely second 
choice to Douglas this season. Did well coming forward at times. 
Jansson - 7. Looked a tad rusy, few dodgy balls but second half showed his 
strength and experience in a few one to ones. Certainly didn't do enough though 
to convince the manager he should be playing instead of Cooper and Beradi and I 
never thought I would say that. 
Ayling - 8. The ever dependable Ayling. 
Phillips - 8. To be fair, he looked the most comfortable and effective in his 
role which is suiting him down to the ground. 
Saiz - 8. I thought he was playing at 75% but still looked a class above and 
scored a great goal. 
Harrison - 7. Tricky little player and he covered some ground. I think he'll be 
pushing Allioski for that left sided position soon. 
Baker - 6. I thought he was a weak link. One or two good forward runs but not 
as solid as Kiltch. 
Bamford - 6. Scored a good goal and looks like he's got a nice left foot but he 
should have had a hat-trick. Bit of a dilemma here because I think he needs 
games but it looks like he'll be stuck on the bench for a while. 
3 games, 3 wins so all good but I think there's a few concerns. 







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Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts

[Nigel Sykes]

Yep - pretty much totally agree.

I thought we looked fairly good in the first half, though without quite as much 
'zip' as in the previous 2 games. In the 2nd half though, the 'zip' had gone 
and I commented that it was much more like watching us last season.  It was a 
pretty even 2nd half and could have easily ended in penalties.

Apart from the lower energy of the B-team, the biggest problem this season is 
passing.  We got away with the passes to the opposition in the first two games 
because we hustled so much to get the ball back.  But last night the passing 
was even worse and the hustle wasn't enough to balance it out.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of 
{broken-address} Richard Walker
Sent: 15 August 2018 09:30
To: Leeds List
Subject: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts

Interesting game. We made 8 changes so big chance for the B-team. We started 
like we have done in all the games and for 35 minutes I thought we looked good 
with Pearce and Shackleton doing well as wing backs. 
But then I thought we ran out of steam and maybe that's the difference in 
fitness levels and skills between the B-Team and the first 11 ? I thought we 
returned to some of the aimless square and backward balls at the back that we 
have seen under previous managers. The gap between defence and midfield got 
wider and as a result we became less effective. Bolton then began to cause a 
threat and in the end they could have got a result and you have to remember 
they made 9 changes too ! 
So in the end I was happy with the result but it made me think that maybe some 
of our squad players are not going to be able to support a promotion push this 
season. 
Blackman - 7. one bad spill which should have been a goal for them. 
Shackleton - 7. I like the look of this lad. Ok, he lost possession a few times 
and looked at times like he was struggling but you can see he's got quality. 
Pearce - 6. He's a bit more pedestrian than Shackleton and definitely second 
choice to Douglas this season. Did well coming forward at times. 
Jansson - 7. Looked a tad rusy, few dodgy balls but second half showed his 
strength and experience in a few one to ones. Certainly didn't do enough though 
to convince the manager he should be playing instead of Cooper and Beradi and I 
never thought I would say that. 
Ayling - 8. The ever dependable Ayling. 
Phillips - 8. To be fair, he looked the most comfortable and effective in his 
role which is suiting him down to the ground. 
Saiz - 8. I thought he was playing at 75% but still looked a class above and 
scored a great goal. 
Harrison - 7. Tricky little player and he covered some ground. I think he'll be 
pushing Allioski for that left sided position soon. 
Baker - 6. I thought he was a weak link. One or two good forward runs but not 
as solid as Kiltch. 
Bamford - 6. Scored a good goal and looks like he's got a nice left foot but he 
should have had a hat-trick. Bit of a dilemma here because I think he needs 
games but it looks like he'll be stuck on the bench for a while. 
3 games, 3 wins so all good but I think there's a few concerns. 







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[LU] Bolton on foreign TV

[Nigel Sykes]

Apparently the Bolton game on Tuesday is to be screened on many
international channels (Arena Sport, beIN Sports etc.)

 

Nigel

(the Dublin one)

 

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Re: [LU] Derby

[Nigel Sykes]

It's a weird old game innit?

Just remember that we were playing like this early on last season - that
televised game against Burton(?) was unbelievable.  But then all the other
teams realised that if they bossed us about in midfield, we became useless.
Lets just hope that we have a solution to that this time around...

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of
{broken-address} gcwhite2001
Sent: 11 August 2018 18:36
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] Derby




How the absolute f**k has Bielsa managed to get players who couldn't pass a
fart last season to be spraying around 50 yard pinpoint passes?!

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Re: [LU] Bilesa from Guardian - brilliant (if true)

[Nigel Sykes]

I saw a photo earlier this week that suggested it was significantly narrower?




Nigel


(the Dublin one)




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On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 6:34 PM +0100, "Jim Moran"  wrote:










This email aged fairly badly mate.

On 5 August 2018 at 15:46, {broken-address} Richard Walker <
richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:

> Roofe starts ahead of Bamford and Roberts. No Pontus.
>
> Team is weaker than last year
>
> Lots of pre season optimism in the pub but how long will it last. That
> defence looks v. Weak
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 4 Aug 2018, at 12:27, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> >
> > Marcelo Bielsa had a question. The new Leeds manager wanted to find out
> how hard the average supporter had to work to pay for a ticket to watch the
> team. How many hours did he or she have to put in? It was unclear what kind
> of calculations went into the answer but one was provided. It would be
> about three.So the Argentinian called his players together and he told them
> that, for the next three hours, they would be picking up litter from around
> the club’s Thorp Arch training ground. He wanted them to learn a lesson; to
> appreciate how the fans laboured to fulfil their passion.t was classic
> Bielsa on many levels, taking in his empathy for the worker, his fixation
> with discipline and team spirit and, above all, the quirkiness and
> unpredictability that has led to the “El Loco” nickname. The 63-year-old is
> not crazy. It is just that his obsessive nature, ferocious intensity,
> eccentricities and refusal to adhere to convention can make him seem that
> way.When Bielsa strode into Leeds on 15 June to replace Paul Heckingbottom,
> it quickly became clear the club would never be the same again. The stories
> of Bielsa’s attention to detail are already legendary. He runs his
> forefinger across various surfaces at Thorp Arch to check for dust,
> invariably being appalled at what he finds, while he once inquired why
> there was a bootprint on a wall – about half a yard from the floor.It was
> explained to him that, perhaps, it was the result of somebody leaning back
> against it, with his or her foot up. “That shows the person is not
> concentrated on their work! Unacceptable!” Bielsa exclaimed. Leeds have had
> and do have bigger problems than the odd dirty mark but this is Bielsa, the
> perfectionist, and this is how he intends to drag the club up by their
> bootlaces: little bit by little bit.
> > Full article - https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/04/leeds-
> united-marcelo-bielsa
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Re: [LU] Bilesa from Guardian - brilliant (if true)

[Nigel Sykes]

I loved what I read about when the bigwigs went to visit him, he somehow had 
got his hands on the blueprints for the Thorpe Arch training complex and had 
already marked up what he would want to change about it!

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Vijay Bhakta
Sent: 04 August 2018 13:30
To: nat...@sky.com
Cc: ; Michael ALCOCK
Subject: Re: [LU] Bilesa from Guardian - brilliant (if true)

He is indeed capturing our hearts.  With his style, could those who go to
ER comment on what changes he has made to the pitch size.  Narrower or
wider?  On one hand top play a pressing game would lean to a narrow pitch
but wing backs may point to a wider one.

V.

On Sat, 4 Aug 2018, 13:06 nat...@sky.com,  wrote:

> The whole article does leave you feeling that , for once, we have got
> things right at ER and that things are looking up. I think it is the first
> time for a long time, that I am genuinely excited and looking forward with
> real optimism as opposed to wishful thinking.
>
> His knowledge of the Championship , albeit theoretical rather than
> practical, seems amazing. He is clearly putting in the hard work and so far
> the players are doing the same with extra training and the fact that "The
> statistics show the players ran more, on average, across their six
> pre-season games than they did in league matches last season."
> Having said that I can still see it going to pieces and quite quickly - I
> can easily see us getting hammered 4 or 5 nil on Sunday and him walking out
> on Monday!
> Equally there are suggestions that his teams run out of steam towards the
> end of a season and we all know that the Championship is the longest most
> arduous league in the world.
>
> Dave
>
>   From: Michael ALCOCK 
>  To: "nat...@sky.com" 
> Cc: Leeds List 
>  Sent: Saturday, 4 August 2018, 12:54
>  Subject: Re: [LU] Bilesa from Guardian - brilliant (if true)
>
> I really hope it is true. I’m more excited about this season than I have
> been for years. It really does feel like we’re iving things a real go...
> On Sat, 4 Aug 2018 at 12:28, nat...@sky.com  wrote:
>
> Marcelo Bielsa had a question. The new Leeds manager wanted to find out
> how hard the average supporter had to work to pay for a ticket to watch the
> team. How many hours did he or she have to put in? It was unclear what kind
> of calculations went into the answer but one was provided. It would be
> about three.So the Argentinian called his players together and he told them
> that, for the next three hours, they would be picking up litter from around
> the club’s Thorp Arch training ground. He wanted them to learn a lesson; to
> appreciate how the fans laboured to fulfil their passion.t was classic
> Bielsa on many levels, taking in his empathy for the worker, his fixation
> with discipline and team spirit and, above all, the quirkiness and
> unpredictability that has led to the “El Loco” nickname. The 63-year-old is
> not crazy. It is just that his obsessive nature, ferocious intensity,
> eccentricities and refusal to adhere to convention can make him seem that
> way.When Bielsa strode into Leeds on 15 June to replace Paul Heckingbottom,
> it quickly became clear the club would never be the same again. The stories
> of Bielsa’s attention to detail are already legendary. He runs his
> forefinger across various surfaces at Thorp Arch to check for dust,
> invariably being appalled at what he finds, while he once inquired why
> there was a bootprint on a wall – about half a yard from the floor.It was
> explained to him that, perhaps, it was the result of somebody leaning back
> against it, with his or her foot up. “That shows the person is not
> concentrated on their work! Unacceptable!” Bielsa exclaimed. Leeds have had
> and do have bigger problems than the odd dirty mark but this is Bielsa, the
> perfectionist, and this is how he intends to drag the club up by their
> bootlaces: little bit by little bit.
> Full article -
> https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/04/leeds-united-marcelo-bielsa
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Re: [LU] Bielsabub in the I paper

[Nigel Sykes]

I'm hugely intrigued by that presumably double-google-translated "we are the
scum of Leeds and is a shit".  I wonder what it said in French, and what the
original chant was?

Nigel
(the Dublin (and often France) one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of
nat...@sky.com
Sent: 02 August 2018 11:13
To: John Boocock; Leedslist
Subject: Re: [LU] Bielsabub in the I paper

Not bad but I prefer the one on waccoe translated from a French newspaper
(L'equipe) - especially the bit about 'degreasing' the squad by letting so
many players leave and references to dirty Leeds (according to them based on
the Paris riots) and our favourite chant - "we are the scum of Leeds and is
a shit"
It does describe the union between him and us as 'incongruous"

Dave(I can probably cut and paste it on here for anyone who is not on waccoe
- let me know)

  From: John Boocock 
 To: Leedslist  
 Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018, 9:17
 Subject: [LU] Bielsabub in the I paper
   
Interesting piece by Michael Walker 
https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united-marcelo-bielsa-tactics-forma
tion-history-revolution/

Betty (in the library just before NCC close it down)
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Re: [LU] Forest Green - 2 1 up at half time

[Nigel Sykes]

You know when Bielsa took the job and said that he'd watched every single
Leeds game from last season?  Appears that's just the tip of his
preparation-iceberg:  "Forest Green are well into their friendly schedule
and spent some time in Devon last week. Bielsa had all of their friendlies
filmed in preparation for tonight."     

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Matt
Anderson
Sent: 17 July 2018 20:24
To: Richard Naef
Cc: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Forest Green - 2 1 up at half time

Some good passing all round here. 

> On 17 Jul 2018, at 20:20, Richard Naef 
wrote:
> 
> Is it just me or is Cooper playing a blinder cross field passes, running
out from defence etc etc, maybe Beilsa can polish turds!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
> Sent: 17 July 2018 19:59
> To: Leeds List 
> Subject: [LU] Forest Green - 2 1 up at half time
> 
> For 45 minutes that was very good - we totally controlled the game and
were so confident even Liam Cooper made a lovely cushioned back header as we
were so comfortableNo changes in personnel or formation other than Dallas
was left back and Berardi centre backWe had 4 or 5 chances - all bar one to
Roofe- and played some nice one touch football against poor opposition. 
> Ayling showed us what we were missing at the end of last season as FG gave
him the freedom of the park and he even scored our second: a lovely ten man
move ended with Roofe laying it wide to Ayling who was unmarked and slotted
home.Before that Roofe who looked lively but should have had a hat trick,
missed a one on one, another easy-ish chance and then scored as a corner
fell to him inside the 6 yd box, he controlled and his deflected shot beat
the keeper. 
> Forshaw also looked class as we totally dominated with Pablo and Saiz
flitting in and out of the game and interchanging. One other thing of note
was Alioski who spent the whole half hugging the left touchline in front of
Dallas.So as I say on 45 minutes things could hardy be better. However this
half last 46 minutes and it that final minute we let Grubb , one of their
players, walk through and past Ayling and fire a shot , that was decent
enough but perhaps should have been saved, past BPF and so with the last
kick of the half and their only attack and shot, they got a goal back - a
very poor bit of play that , in a real game, could be enough to undo all the
good workOne final point - the commentator alongside Eddie is awful - he
does not know any of the players and when he does recognise them he
mispronounces their name Sees and Aliosi for starters (then tried when he
got these two mixed up to claim they look alike- well they do apart from
height, weight , hair colour and style, a
 nd
>  the fact that they have different coloured boots, Ali has socks over his
knees, Samu doesn't, and Ali has short sleeves with bare arms and Samu a
blue fleece over his arms - apart from that they are indeed twins- Oh except
Samu has a beard and Ali is clean shaven!)
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Re: [LU] Tippy Tappy

[Nigel Sykes]

Definitely not the best ever in terms of quality of football.  But in terms of 
entertainment? Sure - it took until yesterday's turgid few hours of dullness to 
remind me what the World Cup was usually like, especially in the knock-out 
stages.  

Thankfully, there's only on more all-European tie left in this round, because 
that's where the fun usually drains away.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

P.S. McDermott gone from Rhinos...

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of 
{broken-address} John Lee
Sent: 02 July 2018 09:59
To: Roger Goodair; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Tippy Tappy

I think Spain 10 years ago were brilliant, but it didn't do them much good this 
time. Keeping posession is one thing, but being ambivalent about creating any 
chances is another. They were so dull for most of the World Cup - given the 
quality of players they have then what a waste that they really couldn't switch 
into a tippy-tappy Mk 2 where creation of chances outsrips the desire to have 
the ball.
What do others think about the standard of teams at this World Cup. The 'Best 
World Cup Ever' comments are, imho, ridiculous. Some very average teams, 
petulant and ridiculous defending/over-reacting. France looked very good 
against Argentina, Croatia looked great (and very dirty) in the group but were 
outplayed by Denmark yesterday and should have lost, Brazil, average as yet, 
Russia - 2 excellent group games of old-skool togger, followed by a drubbing 
from Uruguay. England - doing Ok to very good, but not yet played a decent team 
with their first eleven - hope they can progress though and think they will.
But Greatest World Cup ever - do they not remember Jairzinho, Rivelino, Total 
Football, even Germany v Brazil last time out? 
I might change my mind if England win it though :-)
JOhn

  From: Roger Goodair 
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2018, 14:17
 Subject: [LU] Tippy Tappy
   
  And your (and many others in England) "Can't be doing with" is the
  reason England haven't won a major trophy for 52 years and Spain have
  won three in the last 10 years.
  As the German coach of the time put it after their semi final defeat in
  2008, death by a thousand passes. Simply awesome in my view and one
  unerring truth in football is that the opposition cannot score if they
  do not have the ball.
  If only the hapless club team of our affections could string 6 passes
  together what a joy that would be to behold.
  Southampton 1972 anyone?
  Rogerre
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Re: [LU] I blame gazza

[Nigel Sykes]

Absolutely. More Batty-esque "don't give a shit attitude" is needed!




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Look I'm as snowflakey as they come, but am I the only one finding all this 
crying a bit tiresome?  It's only a game and as far as I know no puppies have 
died?

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[LU] test

[Nigel Goodman]

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Re: [LU] Curry

[Nigel Goodman]

Pretty much in line with being a Leeds United supporter before the season 
starts!
 MOT
> On 15 Jun 2018, at 7:19 am, Rob Heath  wrote:
> 
> I'm about 70% convinced it will be a total disaster..and 30%
> excited as hell!
> 
> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 6:59 AM, Matt Anderson 
> wrote:
> 
>> I can't wait! True global interest, high profile people who love him.
>> Actual pedigree!! Famous football man.
>> 
>> It might go tits up and we are relegated but thank f@ck we haven
>> appointed McCarthy or Bruce for the same old tedious no plan b shite.
>> 
>> The fact it's taken ages to sort means he has a plan I presume.
>> 
>> Next season will be more interesting than ever if it happens
>> 
>>> On 14 Jun 2018, at 20:21, Richard Naef 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 Has he signed yet?! :)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Maybe the delay shows that all sides are serious, but want to get things
>> right.  It seems that his renumeration package is not an issue, but more
>> the contractual terms around what he's in control of.
>>> 
>>> I'm still not 100% convinced he is the "one".  I think his lack of
>> English is going to be an issue.  People point to Pottetchino as an example
>> of successful non English speakers.  Correct but there are loads more
>> examples (Puel a very recent one) when it may have been a factor in their
>> failure.  Plus Bielsa is a very different kettle of fish, he old at 62 as
>> well.   His last 2 jobs have blown up and that was with better squads in
>> the countries top leagues.
>>> 
>>> How are many of our players going to learn a new system in a foreign
>> language in a few weeks?  Even if we buy 5 or 6 new first teamers, that's
>> even more issues of integration.
>>> 
>>> I've read lots of admiring articles about his tactic's but hey all also
>> mention a very fiery temperament and I'm not sure that is what's needed.
>>> 
>>> Is there anyone 100% convinced of this appointment who can calm me down?
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Re: [LU] Manager?

[Nigel Sykes]

I'm struggling to see what's in it for him.  His recent résumé  reads:
Argentina, Chile, Athletic Bilbao, Marseille, Lazio, Lille.

Can't help but think that our name is really gonna look like a shitstain on
it, when he inevitably departs, with his tail between his legs in a few
months' time...

(I can't be anything but depressingly cynical with any Leeds news at this
stage)

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Richard
Naef
Sent: 03 June 2018 18:04
To: Leeds List; nat...@sky.com
Subject: Re: [LU] Manager?

Problem is we are Leeds and we love a moan.  When was the last manager who
was given some time?  Can't see the experts keeping quiet with this guy.  He
delights in playing players out of position, making weird substitutions and
generally not giving a fcuk what the fans think. He doesn't speak English,
so how the hell is he going to put over complicated fluid tactics to the
players? I want to win games and not be miserable on Saturdays.  If he gets
the job he'll get my 100% support, but I wonder how long he'll get.

From: Leedslist  on behalf of nat...@sky.com

Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2018 2:54:01 PM
To: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Manager?

Yeah - let's go for the 'nutter' and his 3 3 1 3 formation - we are Leeds
united and we are mental (as the song used to go "we're barmy, we're mental,
we're off our fu*king heads ")*Guardiola, Pocchino and now Gabriel Batistuta
are all quoted as calling him the best coach in the world so he must have
something. (plus the story of him approaching fans holding a hand grenade)

We are LEEDS and want someone different not the bland, boring same-old
same-old crap of Bruce, Allerdice and McCarthy - we are here for the ride so
lets enjoy ourselves - Of course I want success and to get to the Premier
League (even though we will not like it once we get there) but I go to games
to enjoy myself and this Bielsa bloke sounds tailor made for us !
Dave* with genuine apologies to anyone out there with real mental illnesses
etc


  From: Torrey Gilday 
 To: Richard Naef 
Cc: Leeds List 
 Sent: Friday, 1 June 2018, 21:54
 Subject: Re: [LU] Manager?

They might be a safer bet, but Bielsa sounds like a fun bet!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 1, 2018, at 2:49 PM, Richard Naef 
wrote:
>
> Ok, so ignoring whether or not they would come, surely. Allerdice, Pearson
McCarthy are free, wouldn't they (in that order) be a far better bet than
Bielsa?
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Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 96, Issue 1

[Nigel Sykes]

The main worry with Bielsa would be that he has had 9 club jobs and none of 
them lasted more than about 2 years.

Which in many ways makes him the ideal candidate for us, of course!

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Matt Anderson
Sent: 01 June 2018 14:23
To: Michael Gardiner
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 96, Issue 1

You can’t knock his record up to a couple of years ago

Lille was a disaster though. Ambitious owner with vision...

The pedigree of players he has managed is amazing, could he cope with Kalvin 
Phillips and O’kane ??

Also he might be able to attract a better quality of player

Sent from my iPhone

> On 1 Jun 2018, at 13:50, Michael Gardiner  wrote:
> 
> Not nearly as ridiculous. He’s been on the market for a while and has been 
> passed over a lot. Including for numerous MLS jobs.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 7:00 AM, "leedslist-requ...@gn.apc.org" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 22:39:58 +
>> From: Richard Naef 
>> To: list leedslist , Ed Morrish
>>   
>> Subject: Re: [LU] New manager?
>> Message-ID:
>>   
>> 
>> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>> 
>> Almost as ridiculous,
>> 
>> , Argentine Marcelo Bielsa the latest of many to be linked with #lufc.
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Re: [LU] Hecky confirmed as gone

[Nigel Sykes]

And so the carousel of chaos turns...

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

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From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Richard
Naef
Sent: 01 June 2018 12:05
To: Leeds List
Subject: [LU] Hecky confirmed as gone



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Re: [LU] 31 years ago

[Nigel Sykes]

Lol - it does sound like the plot to a Carl Hiassen novel, all right!

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of MATTHEW 
GAYNOR
Sent: 30 May 2018 15:37
To: Tim Leslie; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] 31 years ago

There is enough in just that paragraph to justify a feature film.
If Ed Moorish is still lurking around can he advise us if this should be filmed 
as;
A comedy with Simon Pegg as Tim / Stig and Joe Mangel as the AustralianorA 
thriller with Matt Damon and Russell Crowe
Matt 

  From: Tim Leslie 
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, 30 May 2018, 8:13
 Subject: Re: [LU] 31 years ago
   
I missed it! On holiday in Florida with 3 mates. Remember having to ring 
home to find out what was happening. Consoled ourselves by going out in 
Fort Lauderdale and getting absolutely wasted. I ended up in the Ocean 
and then hitched a lift with an Aussie who drove me to a VERY dodgy part 
of Miami, intent on me acting as his accomplice whilst he shot a bloke 
in revenge (True story!) - He couldn't find him (Thankfully) and dropped 
me back at the hotel. I'd sobered up by then

StigOfTheHitmansAssistantDump

On 29.05.2018 22:36, JONATHAN WYNNE wrote:
> I just remember the Charlton fans' 'You're staying down with the
> Palace' song at the end, before I drove back home distraught to North
> Kent, avoiding eye contact with them all in the traffic and at
> service stations!Jonathan
> 
> 
>On Tuesday, 29 May 2018, 16:58, "nat...@sky.com"  
> wrote:
> 


   
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Re: [LU] 2-0 win

[Nigel Sykes]

I thought so too, but on closer inspection, I'm pretty sure it took a 
deflection which gave it that crucial "loop".

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

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{broken-address} Richard Walker
Sent: 11 May 2018 15:26
To: Matt Anderson; Leeds List; Richard Naef
Subject: Re: [LU] 2-0 win

 Grot's goal was something else. 

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Re: [LU] Heckingbottom surprised at sacking rumours

[Nigel Sykes]

The smoke has well and truly cleared and the mirrors have been smashed.  I saw 
a table yesterday that listed Championship clubs by the ratio of wages to 
turnover.  Out of all the clubs in the division (except Barnsley, for whom the 
figures weren't available) Leeds were bottom with 61%.  13 clubs had higher 
wage bills than turnover, with Blackburn topping the madness list at 147%.

Now, putting aside the fiscal advisability of paying more than you make, and 
given that we must surely have one of the highest turnovers in the league, one 
has to ask how we can ever compete with our apparent "spend nowt and hope" 
attitude.

Where is that other 39% of turnover going?

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

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From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of 
nat...@sky.com
Sent: 12 April 2018 16:30
To: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Heckingbottom surprised at sacking rumours

How can he be surprised given the results and performances since he came in ?
Two most worrying quotes, to me. "We’re going to have to work hard because 
we’ve seen the calibre of players who are in this league, the calibre of clubs. 
But it doesn’t mean we can’t do it if we’re all on the same page, 
over-achieving and building a hungry, competitive squad."and then "It’ll be a 
smaller squad and a hungrier squad"
Why, when we have the biggest crowds, most TV appearances and right up there 
with biggest income (bar parachute payments) , can't we buy that calibre of 
player so that they just need to do well not 'over-achieve' ?Also given that, 
due to injuries we are playing two non full backs as full back and will be 
starting with at least one young inexperienced centre half and no recognised 
midfield player on the bench v Villa, isn't the squad already too small ?
Dave

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[LU] Dead or just had enough

[Nigel Goodman]

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Re: [LU] Bolton ticket offer

[Nigel Sykes]

And presumably, the logistics mean that the free seats probably won't be
next to those of the people whose friends hold the ST's, so they're even
less likely to enjoy the experience enough to return.

But still, better than having an empty ground.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

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From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Jim Moran
Sent: 15 March 2018 10:09
To: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Bolton ticket offer

When I had a ST and couldn't make games a few years back I couldn't give my
ticket away!

On 15 March 2018 at 09:32, nat...@sky.com <nat...@sky.com> wrote:

> Radz is going for it with his latest ticket offer - ST holders can 
> bring a friend for free to Bolton gameNot sure if this is an 
> indication of how they think the fans will be deserting in droves as 
> the season peters out or is just an attempt to get non match going 
> fans interested again I am not sure these offers work in any 
> meaningful way - yes we will get a full house on the day (or come 
> close) and therefore take more money in the shop and catering outlets 
> but I know from personal experience that fans who come for free will 
> only come for free. The group of us who have STs will sometimes have 
> one available for free / very cheap when the ST holder cannot make it 
> (indeed one of the lads is missing this Saturday) but whoever has used 
> it has only ever come back when the free ST is available again - not 
> one of the 7-10 lads who have used it over the last 20+ years or so 
> has become a regular attendee or bought a ST , and some of them have 
> been ex ST holders Dave 
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[LU] Our owner has a bee in his bonnet

[Nigel Sykes]

Radz was tweeting, mid-game tonight:

"We have our own problems but we should play in a fair competition. Not
legal and fair let one team owned by a fund whom has shares in the biggest
players agency with evident benefits (top European clubs giving players with
options to buy ..why the other 23 teams can't have same treatment ? We
should play all 24 with the same rules and opportunities (it s enough to
google it)  <https://twitter.com/EFL> @EFL"

and

 

"Congratulations to the best team but hope the league can be fair and equal
to all 24 teams"



Any idea what he's moaning about?

 

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Re: [LU] Saiz

[Nigel Sykes]

Apart from the petulance, Saiz has been about the only thing to admire about
us all season.  The 6 games he missed mean we don't even have to imagine how
appalling things would be without him.

Also, I think Alioski is a decent player - but only when Saiz is playing.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

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Sent: 07 March 2018 15:14
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Saiz

I don't think it is just Saiz that Heck needs to get the best out of.  He
has to find a combination and formation that gets the best out of all of
them.

As has been mentioned before, Only Jannson, Forshaw, Saiz and Hernandez (+
Ayling injured)  look capable of performing well enough on a regular basis.
To be fair to Berardi, he is steady enough and even the much-maligned Cooper
is less error-prone than last year.

Of the others, I believe that Lasogga, Roofe, Alioski, Dallas, Vieira,
Phillips, O'Kane all have something to offer.
The problem is that they either have more flaws than attributes or are just
so inconsistent as to be unreliable.

Heck has to work out where/how to play them, to maximise their strengths and
hide their weaknesses.
Then work out what the f*** to do about the left-back and goalkeeper
positions, because Wiedwald and De Bock are too error prone to even make it
into the group above.   If 5 of the 7  in that group play at their best we
can beat Wolves. If none do, we'll get hammered.

KOT.


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[LU] We've had our problems, but...

[Nigel Sykes]

.spare a thought for Dulwich Hamlet FC, who have just been told they can't
use their own name anymore, thanks to what appear to be some truly appalling
shitsharks who own their ground!

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/dulwich-hamlet-
ground-owners-meadow-legacy-trademark-name-warn-against-further-use-a8242836
.html

 

Nigel

(the Dublin one)

 

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Re: [LU] 3 nil defeat

[Nigel Sykes]

Couldn't agree more about midfielders.  And especially about Batts (my 
favourite Leeds player).  Been saying all season that we simply must get a ball 
winning/distributing midfielder or we are entirely at the mercy of any team who 
is willing to try harder than us in midfield (which isn't exactly hard!).

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of 
{broken-address} Richard Walker
Sent: 03 March 2018 21:44
To: Nicholas Armit
Cc: Leeds List; {broken-address} Nicholas Armit
Subject: Re: [LU] 3 nil defeat

Cheers Nick. I've spent over 40 years watching Leeds week in week out so I like 
to think I've got the measure of most players I watch. 
Most players can be gauged within 4-5 games but I'd say the exception to this 
is the centre back position and strikers. I've seen players arrive at Leeds who 
look like a fish out of water. Chris Fairclough, Peter Haddock and Rio were all 
awful on their debuts and first few appearances but all turned out to be good 
signings ( not sure Rio lived up to his fee?).
In terms of strikers they tend to be rated until they come to Leeds - Keith  
Edwards, Jim Melrose, Derek Parlane, George McCluskey, Noel Hunt, Barn door 
Billy Painter, Darren Huckerby, Ian Rush to name a few.

But midfielders just stand out. They just need to make themselves available, 
take the ball, and give it to someone. Easy ? No. David Batty was the best I've 
ever seen at this. He is everything I've ever loved about football. Such 
simplicity but brilliantly effective in making a team tick. Olivier Dacourt was 
also good at this  but he added a driving ability which allowed him to be more 
attacking. Both truly great midfielders.

O'Kane has no awareness. Watch him when he gets the ball. He's head down , one 
dimensional. It's either a pass backward or he just motors forward with no real 
intention. Batty was ultra aware of his team mates. He got the ball, looked up 
and passed but then looked how he can help. He was the cog at the heart of the 
machine. It's a shame that O'Kane will never be able to perform at even 25% 
effectiveness of David Batty , but that's why Bournemouth let him go !

We are Leeds!

Rich


> On 3 Mar 2018, at 20:36, Nicholas Armit <arm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> I may have to give in to the greatness of Rich Walker. I have always thought 
> O’Kane is a neat tidy thinking man’s player. But the last two games have 
> shown he is shite.
> 
> The Viera comment made me laugh out loud in the pub (well Faux Midwest 
> Mexican Cantina really) where assorted Ameicans wondered what is wrong with 
> me.
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
> On Saturday, March 3, 2018, 1:25 PM, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
> <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure he has many options as Lonergan sis currently injured however 
> I'd put Farrel Bayley Peacock in (or someone with a name like that). He 
> cannot be any worse. 
> Poor performance last night and and it completely ruined a decent 
> night in the pub.Even though that starting XI is massively lacking I 
> don't think they have any chance when they're playing with a keeper 
> who is worth 1-2 goals for the opposition. Right from the start 
> Wieldwald is dithering and putting us on the back foot. We actually 
> came out of the trap pretty lively but as soon as Boro came forward 
> and put in a cross the hapless Kraut tries to punch and actually 
> misses leaving it on a plate for Downing. Luckily the fact that he 
> missed it totally surprised him and he missed. Following that you 
> could just see any little confidence Wieldwald had just disappear and 
> he was reduced, not for the first time, to a dithering keeper rooted 
> to his line. The second goal for me showed that he's even lost his 
> confidence to shot stop which to be fair to him he hasn't been that 
> bad it since he arrived. However, there was general agreement in the 
> pub that
> 1) He should never play again2) He is the worst keeper ever to play for Leeds 
> (ok most of the pub have forgotten about Rabuchka)3) The decision to remove 
> Green and bring in Wieldwald goes down as one of the worst pieces of football 
> management ever witnessed. Up there with selling Cantona. 
> Having said that, Hecky for me is displaying all the qualities of bringing 
> mediocrity to the club. His team selection last night was a case of don't 
> change a winning team but Brentford played us off the park for large periods 
> of the game and 9 times out of 10 we would have lost that game and 9 times 
> out of 10 a midfield of Philips, O'Kane, Dallas and Allioski will not get you 
> any points in this division. Hecky seems to be making the same mistakes as TC 
> but then adding his own unique cock-ups i.e. giving Dallas a star

Re: [LU] 50 years!

[Nigel Goodman]

   Top Cat !
> On 2 Mar 2018, at 5:44 pm, Rob Heath  wrote:
> 
> 50 years!
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Re: [LU] another new crest / badge

[Nigel Sykes]

I don't have too much of a problem with the salute.  But the badge is awful
- like an MLS badge, or a kids' team.

But, someone put it quite eloquently on Twitter - saying that the salute is
an unspoken thing between Leeds fans.  Like a masonic handshake or whatever.
If you know about it, you know about it.  Putting it out there on the badge
smacks of something wrong... commercialism maybe.  Whatever.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Richard
Naef
Sent: 24 January 2018 16:04
To: Leeds List (leedslist@gn.apc.org)
Subject: Re: [LU] another new crest / badge

I actually agree, I think the salute is Leeds.

ttfn

Richard

From: Richard Walker [mailto:richleed...@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 24 January 2018 15:59
To: Richard Naef <rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>; errand. fivefold
<errand.fivef...@talk21.com>; Ted <tedhea...@gmail.com>; Graham Farr
<graham.f...@yara.com>
Cc: Leeds List (leedslist@gn.apc.org) <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
Subject: Re: [LU] another new crest / badge

Quite like it mysen. Leeds salute is part of our history. I remember being
in many away end when someone spots someone in the home end doing a secret
Leeds salute. Minute later it kicks off.

Huddersfield was the classic. Their whole stand emptied.




From: Richard Naef
<rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk<mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>>
To: errand. fivefold
<errand.fivef...@talk21.com<mailto:errand.fivef...@talk21.com>>; Ted
<tedhea...@gmail.com<mailto:tedhea...@gmail.com>>; Graham Farr
<graham.f...@yara.com<mailto:graham.f...@yara.com>>
Cc: "Leeds List (leedslist@gn.apc.org<mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>)"
<leedslist@gn.apc.org<mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2018, 13:10
Subject: Re: [LU] another new crest / badge

Looks OK to me and they have gone through a consultation process.  Lets face
it whatever they had done the list would have moaned, old white geezers
don't like change do they?

ttfn

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist
[mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org<mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>]
On Behalf Of errand.fivefold
Sent: 24 January 2018 12:43
To: Ted <tedhea...@gmail.com<mailto:tedhea...@gmail.com>>; Graham Farr
<graham.f...@yara.com<mailto:graham.f...@yara.com>>
Cc: Leeds List (leedslist@gn.apc.org<mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>)
<leedslist@gn.apc.org<mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: Re: [LU] another new crest / badge

That New badge is for want of a better
expression..fu@king<mailto:expression..fu@king> pathetic.
IMHO


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
 Original message From: Ted
<tedhea...@gmail.com<mailto:tedhea...@gmail.com>> Date: 24/01/2018  12:35
(GMT+00:00) To: Graham Farr
<graham.f...@yara.com<mailto:graham.f...@yara.com>> Cc: "Leeds List
(leedslist@gn.apc.org<mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>)"
<leedslist@gn.apc.org<mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> Subject: Re: [LU]
another new crest / badge "Another"?  We've had the last one for 20 years!!!

I'm undecided on it. It might grow on me.

Funny - they say they've consulted with over 10,000 fans.  Yesterday was the
first I'd heard about it!  Did anyone else knew it was imminent?

Ted H


On 24 January 2018 at 12:09, Graham Farr
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> Hate it
>
> Bring back 70's smiley
>
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Re: [LU] Playstation

[Nigel Sykes]

Or take a look at the "Gaviscon Extra Strength" bottle.  Somehow apt...

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

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Sent: 24 January 2018 14:31
To: Graham Farr
Cc: Leeds List (leedslist@gn.apc.org)
Subject: Re: [LU] Playstation

This is where we find out that our new shirt sponsor is Playstation, Elland
Road is now the Sony Center, and that the club's name has been changed to
Yorkshire Whites All-stars.

On 24 January 2018 at 14:00, Graham Farr <graham.f...@yara.com> wrote:

> Can't we get Sony to sue the club ?
>
> Just Google
>
> ProEvolution Soccer 2
>
> It is identical !
>
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