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Think those 5 were all near the end of the season though so as time went on he was a lot more involved. Nick On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 11:46:12 AM EDT, Richard Naef wrote: > Understand Viera has done pretty well in Italy? I understand he's started 5 all season, with anther 8 sub appearances, so not massive, but hen again Sampadoria are 1st division. We'l have the wages saved from Pablo, Harrison and Brown, plus any cash we get in from Ekuban and any of the other loanees we can sell on. If we had managed to convert another 20% of the chances we created we'd be going up as champions. IF we get an injury free season out of Roofe, Bamford and Tyler, we'll be OK - but it’s a BIG IF. -Original Message- From: Leedslist On Behalf Of Nicholas Armit via Leedslist Sent: 22 May 2019 16:30 To: Matt Anderson Cc: leedslist Subject: Re: [LU] good article I think Jansson, Phillips or Roofe will go or maybe two of the three. We need money coming in to somewhat balance the books. Wood and Viera were sold for the same reason though Woods wanted out I believe. Understand Viera has done pretty well in Italy? Nick On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 11:13:43 AM EDT, Matt Anderson wrote: To be honest if Harrison is worth £20m I’d rather do things on the cheap and use the academy Without 67 injuries and with the experience of falling short plus a couple of decent loans I think we are back in the mix. We fell short because of a bit of mental weakness at the end and bad chance conversion I can’t believe we won’t lose someone important though Sent from my iPhone > On 22 May 2019, at 15:39, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist > wrote: > > No money, no big signings, try to do on the cheap again. This wss the first > summer I really thought we had to make a couple of marquee signings to build > on the previous season. Oh well. > Nick > On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 9:55:57 AM EDT, Jeremy Adams > wrote: > > According to the YEP the club are already warning of a "difficult" summer in > the transfer market and are hinting we'll be looking for academy products to > feature more prominently, plus better loan signings... > > https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/lee > ds-united-latest/andrea-radrizzani-sends-warning-over-difficult-summer > -transfer-window-for-leeds-united-1-9782913 > > From: Leedslist on behalf of Damian > Walsh > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 7:56 AM > To: leedslist > Subject: Re: [LU] good article > > I don't know if "wiser" is the right term but I certainly hope that > the lessons of last season are learnt. Which starts with the transfer > window and the recruitment policy that we follow. > > I don't know if it's a good idea to talk in terms of "we need x > defenders, y midfielders and z attackers", but I do think that it > would be nice for the club to at least tacitly admit that we need to > strengthen in some areas and to act accordingly. > > Damian > > On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 12:46 PM Richard Naef < > rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote: > >> I think he'll be wiser next year and will adjust to what he's learnt >> and seen about the Championship, that and hopefully a couple of >> better players to replace Hernandez and Harrison and some extra cover >> in a couple of places and we are all set for winning it (or 13th >> place) >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Leedslist On Behalf Of >> nat...@sky.com >> Sent: 21 May 2019 10:22 >> To: Leeds List >> Subject: Re: [LU] good article >> >> I think that is it i a nutshell - Bielsa has one way of playing and >>that is the way that got a team of average players with a huge injury >>crisis into top place for so long and then 2 up in the play offs - >>there is no way Warnock et al would have managed that - we can wish >>all we want that he had changed everything and held on for 50 minutes >>BUT it is not what Bielsa does so we have to live with it and enjoy >>it (which I did immensely) or bemoan his deficiencies -take your pick >>because one thing is for sure, if he stays, and I really hope he >>does, we will play exactly the same way next season in every game >>irrespective of the score at any time in any match >> Dave- >> On Tuesday, 21 May 2019, 00:50:26 BST, Nicholas Armit via >>Leedslist < leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: >> >> Dean Smith or Warnock would never have got that squad there in the >>first place. >> On Monday, May 20, 2019, 4:18:30 PM EDT, Robert Heath < >>heathpalai...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Here's the thing...
Re: [LU] good article
My mistake, he’s contracted to June 2020 not 2019 From: seanscr...@aol.com Sent: 22 May 2019 16:59 To: Richard Naef ; leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: Re: [LU] good article Pablo? Is he off? -Original Message- From: Richard Naef mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>> To: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> Sent: Wed, May 22, 2019 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [LU] good article > Understand Viera has done pretty well in Italy? I understand he's started 5 all season, with anther 8 sub appearances, so not massive, but hen again Sampadoria are 1st division. We'l have the wages saved from Pablo, Harrison and Brown, plus any cash we get in from Ekuban and any of the other loanees we can sell on. If we had managed to convert another 20% of the chances we created we'd be going up as champions. IF we get an injury free season out of Roofe, Bamford and Tyler, we'll be OK - but it’s a BIG IF. -Original Message- From: Leedslist mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On Behalf Of Nicholas Armit via Leedslist Sent: 22 May 2019 16:30 To: Matt Anderson mailto:m...@leeds-united.net>> Cc: leedslist mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> Subject: Re: [LU] good article I think Jansson, Phillips or Roofe will go or maybe two of the three. We need money coming in to somewhat balance the books. Wood and Viera were sold for the same reason though Woods wanted out I believe. Understand Viera has done pretty well in Italy? Nick On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 11:13:43 AM EDT, Matt Anderson mailto:m...@leeds-united.net>> wrote: To be honest if Harrison is worth £20m I’d rather do things on the cheap and use the academy Without 67 injuries and with the experience of falling short plus a couple of decent loans I think we are back in the mix. We fell short because of a bit of mental weakness at the end and bad chance conversion I can’t believe we won’t lose someone important though Sent from my iPhone > On 22 May 2019, at 15:39, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist > mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote: > > No money, no big signings, try to do on the cheap again. This wss the first > summer I really thought we had to make a couple of marquee signings to build > on the previous season. Oh well. > Nick >On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 9:55:57 AM EDT, Jeremy Adams >mailto:jeremyadam...@hotmail.com>> wrote: > > According to the YEP the club are already warning of a "difficult" summer in > the transfer market and are hinting we'll be looking for academy products to > feature more prominently, plus better loan signings... > > https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/lee > ds-united-latest/andrea-radrizzani-sends-warning-over-difficult-summer > -transfer-window-for-leeds-united-1-9782913 > > From: Leedslist > mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on behalf > of Damian > Walsh mailto:pussaydam...@gmail.com>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 7:56 AM > To: leedslist > Subject: Re: [LU] good article > > I don't know if "wiser" is the right term but I certainly hope that > the lessons of last season are learnt. Which starts with the transfer > window and the recruitment policy that we follow. > > I don't know if it's a good idea to talk in terms of "we need x > defenders, y midfielders and z attackers", but I do think that it > would be nice for the club to at least tacitly admit that we need to > strengthen in some areas and to act accordingly. > > Damian > > On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 12:46 PM Richard Naef < > rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk<mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>> > wrote: > >> I think he'll be wiser next year and will adjust to what he's learnt >> and seen about the Championship, that and hopefully a couple of >> better players to replace Hernandez and Harrison and some extra cover >> in a couple of places and we are all set for winning it (or 13th >> place) >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Leedslist >> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On >> Behalf Of >> nat...@sky.com<mailto:nat...@sky.com> >> Sent: 21 May 2019 10:22 >> To: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> >> Subject: Re: [LU] good article >> >> I think that is it i a nutshell - Bielsa has one way of playing and >>that is the way that got a team of average players with a huge injury >>crisis into top place for so long and then 2 up in the play offs - >>there is no way Warnock et al would have managed that - we can wish >>all we want that he had changed everything and held on for 50 minutes >>BUT it is not what Bielsa does so we have to live with it and enjoy >>it (whic
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Pablo? Is he off? -Original Message- From: Richard Naef To: Leeds List Sent: Wed, May 22, 2019 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [LU] good article > Understand Viera has done pretty well in Italy? I understand he's started 5 all season, with anther 8 sub appearances, so not massive, but hen again Sampadoria are 1st division. We'l have the wages saved from Pablo, Harrison and Brown, plus any cash we get in from Ekuban and any of the other loanees we can sell on. If we had managed to convert another 20% of the chances we created we'd be going up as champions. IF we get an injury free season out of Roofe, Bamford and Tyler, we'll be OK - but it’s a BIG IF. -Original Message- From: Leedslist On Behalf Of Nicholas Armit via Leedslist Sent: 22 May 2019 16:30 To: Matt Anderson Cc: leedslist Subject: Re: [LU] good article I think Jansson, Phillips or Roofe will go or maybe two of the three. We need money coming in to somewhat balance the books. Wood and Viera were sold for the same reason though Woods wanted out I believe. Understand Viera has done pretty well in Italy? Nick On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 11:13:43 AM EDT, Matt Anderson wrote: To be honest if Harrison is worth £20m I’d rather do things on the cheap and use the academy Without 67 injuries and with the experience of falling short plus a couple of decent loans I think we are back in the mix. We fell short because of a bit of mental weakness at the end and bad chance conversion I can’t believe we won’t lose someone important though Sent from my iPhone > On 22 May 2019, at 15:39, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist > wrote: > > No money, no big signings, try to do on the cheap again. This wss the first > summer I really thought we had to make a couple of marquee signings to build > on the previous season. Oh well. > Nick > On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 9:55:57 AM EDT, Jeremy Adams > wrote: > > According to the YEP the club are already warning of a "difficult" summer in > the transfer market and are hinting we'll be looking for academy products to > feature more prominently, plus better loan signings... > > https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/lee > ds-united-latest/andrea-radrizzani-sends-warning-over-difficult-summer > -transfer-window-for-leeds-united-1-9782913 > > From: Leedslist on behalf of Damian > Walsh > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 7:56 AM > To: leedslist > Subject: Re: [LU] good article > > I don't know if "wiser" is the right term but I certainly hope that > the lessons of last season are learnt. Which starts with the transfer > window and the recruitment policy that we follow. > > I don't know if it's a good idea to talk in terms of "we need x > defenders, y midfielders and z attackers", but I do think that it > would be nice for the club to at least tacitly admit that we need to > strengthen in some areas and to act accordingly. > > Damian > > On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 12:46 PM Richard Naef < > rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote: > >> I think he'll be wiser next year and will adjust to what he's learnt >> and seen about the Championship, that and hopefully a couple of >> better players to replace Hernandez and Harrison and some extra cover >> in a couple of places and we are all set for winning it (or 13th >> place) >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Leedslist On Behalf Of >> nat...@sky.com >> Sent: 21 May 2019 10:22 >> To: Leeds List >> Subject: Re: [LU] good article >> >> I think that is it i a nutshell - Bielsa has one way of playing and >>that is the way that got a team of average players with a huge injury >>crisis into top place for so long and then 2 up in the play offs - >>there is no way Warnock et al would have managed that - we can wish >>all we want that he had changed everything and held on for 50 minutes >>BUT it is not what Bielsa does so we have to live with it and enjoy >>it (which I did immensely) or bemoan his deficiencies -take your pick >>because one thing is for sure, if he stays, and I really hope he >>does, we will play exactly the same way next season in every game >>irrespective of the score at any time in any match >> Dave- >> On Tuesday, 21 May 2019, 00:50:26 BST, Nicholas Armit via >>Leedslist < leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: >> >> Dean Smith or Warnock would never have got that squad there in the >>first place. >> On Monday, May 20, 2019, 4:18:30 PM EDT, Robert Heath < >>heathpalai...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Here's the thingwhen we went 1-0 up the other n
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> Understand Viera has done pretty well in Italy? I understand he's started 5 all season, with anther 8 sub appearances, so not massive, but hen again Sampadoria are 1st division. We'l have the wages saved from Pablo, Harrison and Brown, plus any cash we get in from Ekuban and any of the other loanees we can sell on. If we had managed to convert another 20% of the chances we created we'd be going up as champions. IF we get an injury free season out of Roofe, Bamford and Tyler, we'll be OK - but it’s a BIG IF. -Original Message- From: Leedslist On Behalf Of Nicholas Armit via Leedslist Sent: 22 May 2019 16:30 To: Matt Anderson Cc: leedslist Subject: Re: [LU] good article I think Jansson, Phillips or Roofe will go or maybe two of the three. We need money coming in to somewhat balance the books. Wood and Viera were sold for the same reason though Woods wanted out I believe. Understand Viera has done pretty well in Italy? Nick On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 11:13:43 AM EDT, Matt Anderson wrote: To be honest if Harrison is worth £20m I’d rather do things on the cheap and use the academy Without 67 injuries and with the experience of falling short plus a couple of decent loans I think we are back in the mix. We fell short because of a bit of mental weakness at the end and bad chance conversion I can’t believe we won’t lose someone important though Sent from my iPhone > On 22 May 2019, at 15:39, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist > wrote: > > No money, no big signings, try to do on the cheap again. This wss the first > summer I really thought we had to make a couple of marquee signings to build > on the previous season. Oh well. > Nick > On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 9:55:57 AM EDT, Jeremy Adams > wrote: > > According to the YEP the club are already warning of a "difficult" summer in > the transfer market and are hinting we'll be looking for academy products to > feature more prominently, plus better loan signings... > > https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/lee > ds-united-latest/andrea-radrizzani-sends-warning-over-difficult-summer > -transfer-window-for-leeds-united-1-9782913 > > From: Leedslist on behalf of Damian > Walsh > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 7:56 AM > To: leedslist > Subject: Re: [LU] good article > > I don't know if "wiser" is the right term but I certainly hope that > the lessons of last season are learnt. Which starts with the transfer > window and the recruitment policy that we follow. > > I don't know if it's a good idea to talk in terms of "we need x > defenders, y midfielders and z attackers", but I do think that it > would be nice for the club to at least tacitly admit that we need to > strengthen in some areas and to act accordingly. > > Damian > > On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 12:46 PM Richard Naef < > rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote: > >> I think he'll be wiser next year and will adjust to what he's learnt >> and seen about the Championship, that and hopefully a couple of >> better players to replace Hernandez and Harrison and some extra cover >> in a couple of places and we are all set for winning it (or 13th >> place) >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Leedslist On Behalf Of >> nat...@sky.com >> Sent: 21 May 2019 10:22 >> To: Leeds List >> Subject: Re: [LU] good article >> >> I think that is it i a nutshell - Bielsa has one way of playing and >>that is the way that got a team of average players with a huge injury >>crisis into top place for so long and then 2 up in the play offs - >>there is no way Warnock et al would have managed that - we can wish >>all we want that he had changed everything and held on for 50 minutes >>BUT it is not what Bielsa does so we have to live with it and enjoy >>it (which I did immensely) or bemoan his deficiencies -take your pick >>because one thing is for sure, if he stays, and I really hope he >>does, we will play exactly the same way next season in every game >>irrespective of the score at any time in any match >> Dave- >> On Tuesday, 21 May 2019, 00:50:26 BST, Nicholas Armit via >>Leedslist < leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: >> >> Dean Smith or Warnock would never have got that squad there in the >>first place. >> On Monday, May 20, 2019, 4:18:30 PM EDT, Robert Heath < >>heathpalai...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Here's the thingwhen we went 1-0 up the other night, I >>am prettty sure that if we'd have had that Dean Smith or Warnock as >>manager, we would have gone through. >> So
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Unless this is a bluff by the club to try and get other clubs to be ‘realistic’ when dealing with us, it’s not quite the brave new future I was expecting. By all means promote the under 23s and others who are ready/good enough, but it’s a pretty underwhelming state of affairs. How long before the ‘we should get Becchio back’ debate begins :-( Sent from my iPad > On 22 May 2019, at 16:13, Matt Anderson wrote: > > To be honest if Harrison is worth £20m I’d rather do things on the cheap and > use the academy > > Without 67 injuries and with the experience of falling short plus a couple of > decent loans I think we are back in the mix. > > We fell short because of a bit of mental weakness at the end and bad chance > conversion > > I can’t believe we won’t lose someone important though > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 22 May 2019, at 15:39, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist >> wrote: >> >> No money, no big signings, try to do on the cheap again. This wss the first >> summer I really thought we had to make a couple of marquee signings to build >> on the previous season. Oh well. >> Nick >> On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 9:55:57 AM EDT, Jeremy Adams >> wrote: >> >> According to the YEP the club are already warning of a "difficult" summer in >> the transfer market and are hinting we'll be looking for academy products to >> feature more prominently, plus better loan signings... >> >> https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/leeds-united-latest/andrea-radrizzani-sends-warning-over-difficult-summer-transfer-window-for-leeds-united-1-9782913 >> ________ >> From: Leedslist on behalf of Damian Walsh >> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 7:56 AM >> To: leedslist >> Subject: Re: [LU] good article >> >> I don't know if "wiser" is the right term but I certainly hope that the >> lessons of last season are learnt. Which starts with the transfer window >> and the recruitment policy that we follow. >> >> I don't know if it's a good idea to talk in terms of "we need x defenders, >> y midfielders and z attackers", but I do think that it would be nice for >> the club to at least tacitly admit that we need to strengthen in some areas >> and to act accordingly. >> >> Damian >> >> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 12:46 PM Richard Naef < >> rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> I think he'll be wiser next year and will adjust to what he's learnt and >>> seen about the Championship, that and hopefully a couple of better players >>> to replace Hernandez and Harrison and some extra cover in a couple of >>> places and we are all set for winning it (or 13th place) >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Leedslist On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com >>> Sent: 21 May 2019 10:22 >>> To: Leeds List >>> Subject: Re: [LU] good article >>> >>> I think that is it i a nutshell - Bielsa has one way of playing and that >>> is the way that got a team of average players with a huge injury crisis >>> into top place for so long and then 2 up in the play offs - there is no way >>> Warnock et al would have managed that - we can wish all we want that he had >>> changed everything and held on for 50 minutes BUT it is not what Bielsa >>> does so we have to live with it and enjoy it (which I did immensely) or >>> bemoan his deficiencies -take your pick because one thing is for sure, if >>> he stays, and I really hope he does, we will play exactly the same way next >>> season in every game irrespective of the score at any time in any match >>> Dave- >>>On Tuesday, 21 May 2019, 00:50:26 BST, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist < >>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: >>> >>> Dean Smith or Warnock would never have got that squad there in the first >>> place. >>>On Monday, May 20, 2019, 4:18:30 PM EDT, Robert Heath < >>> heathpalai...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Here's the thingwhen we went 1-0 up the other night, I am >>> prettty sure that if we'd have had that Dean Smith or Warnock as manager, >>> we would have gone through. >>> So the question is...do we want to succeed ugly or fail >>> gloriously? (Obvs we would prefer to succeed gloiriously, but that might >>> not be an option.) On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 6:57 PM Nicholas Armit via >>> Leedslist wrote: >>> >>> Great piece. We truly have been privile
Re: [LU] good article
I think Jansson, Phillips or Roofe will go or maybe two of the three. We need money coming in to somewhat balance the books. Wood and Viera were sold for the same reason though Woods wanted out I believe. Understand Viera has done pretty well in Italy? Nick On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 11:13:43 AM EDT, Matt Anderson wrote: To be honest if Harrison is worth £20m I’d rather do things on the cheap and use the academy Without 67 injuries and with the experience of falling short plus a couple of decent loans I think we are back in the mix. We fell short because of a bit of mental weakness at the end and bad chance conversion I can’t believe we won’t lose someone important though Sent from my iPhone > On 22 May 2019, at 15:39, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist > wrote: > > No money, no big signings, try to do on the cheap again. This wss the first > summer I really thought we had to make a couple of marquee signings to build > on the previous season. Oh well. > Nick > On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 9:55:57 AM EDT, Jeremy Adams > wrote: > > According to the YEP the club are already warning of a "difficult" summer in > the transfer market and are hinting we'll be looking for academy products to > feature more prominently, plus better loan signings... > > https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/leeds-united-latest/andrea-radrizzani-sends-warning-over-difficult-summer-transfer-window-for-leeds-united-1-9782913 > > From: Leedslist on behalf of Damian Walsh > > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 7:56 AM > To: leedslist > Subject: Re: [LU] good article > > I don't know if "wiser" is the right term but I certainly hope that the > lessons of last season are learnt. Which starts with the transfer window > and the recruitment policy that we follow. > > I don't know if it's a good idea to talk in terms of "we need x defenders, > y midfielders and z attackers", but I do think that it would be nice for > the club to at least tacitly admit that we need to strengthen in some areas > and to act accordingly. > > Damian > > On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 12:46 PM Richard Naef < > rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote: > >> I think he'll be wiser next year and will adjust to what he's learnt and >> seen about the Championship, that and hopefully a couple of better players >> to replace Hernandez and Harrison and some extra cover in a couple of >> places and we are all set for winning it (or 13th place) >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Leedslist On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com >> Sent: 21 May 2019 10:22 >> To: Leeds List >> Subject: Re: [LU] good article >> >> I think that is it i a nutshell - Bielsa has one way of playing and that >> is the way that got a team of average players with a huge injury crisis >> into top place for so long and then 2 up in the play offs - there is no way >> Warnock et al would have managed that - we can wish all we want that he had >> changed everything and held on for 50 minutes BUT it is not what Bielsa >> does so we have to live with it and enjoy it (which I did immensely) or >> bemoan his deficiencies -take your pick because one thing is for sure, if >> he stays, and I really hope he does, we will play exactly the same way next >> season in every game irrespective of the score at any time in any match >> Dave- >> On Tuesday, 21 May 2019, 00:50:26 BST, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist < >> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: >> >> Dean Smith or Warnock would never have got that squad there in the first >> place. >> On Monday, May 20, 2019, 4:18:30 PM EDT, Robert Heath < >> heathpalai...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Here's the thingwhen we went 1-0 up the other night, I am >> prettty sure that if we'd have had that Dean Smith or Warnock as manager, >> we would have gone through. >> So the question is...do we want to succeed ugly or fail >> gloriously? (Obvs we would prefer to succeed gloiriously, but that might >> not be an option.) On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 6:57 PM Nicholas Armit via >> Leedslist wrote: >> >> Great piece. We truly have been privileged. >> Nick >> On Saturday, May 18, 2019, 6:47:25 AM EDT, Nick < >> n...@6haroldplace.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >> https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/18/marcelo-bielsa-play-off-leeds-championship >> >> Nick >> ___ >> Leedslist mailing list >> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >&
Re: [LU] good article
To be honest if Harrison is worth £20m I’d rather do things on the cheap and use the academy Without 67 injuries and with the experience of falling short plus a couple of decent loans I think we are back in the mix. We fell short because of a bit of mental weakness at the end and bad chance conversion I can’t believe we won’t lose someone important though Sent from my iPhone > On 22 May 2019, at 15:39, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist > wrote: > > No money, no big signings, try to do on the cheap again. This wss the first > summer I really thought we had to make a couple of marquee signings to build > on the previous season. Oh well. > Nick >On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 9:55:57 AM EDT, Jeremy Adams > wrote: > > According to the YEP the club are already warning of a "difficult" summer in > the transfer market and are hinting we'll be looking for academy products to > feature more prominently, plus better loan signings... > > https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/leeds-united-latest/andrea-radrizzani-sends-warning-over-difficult-summer-transfer-window-for-leeds-united-1-9782913 > > From: Leedslist on behalf of Damian Walsh > > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 7:56 AM > To: leedslist > Subject: Re: [LU] good article > > I don't know if "wiser" is the right term but I certainly hope that the > lessons of last season are learnt. Which starts with the transfer window > and the recruitment policy that we follow. > > I don't know if it's a good idea to talk in terms of "we need x defenders, > y midfielders and z attackers", but I do think that it would be nice for > the club to at least tacitly admit that we need to strengthen in some areas > and to act accordingly. > > Damian > > On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 12:46 PM Richard Naef < > rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote: > >> I think he'll be wiser next year and will adjust to what he's learnt and >> seen about the Championship, that and hopefully a couple of better players >> to replace Hernandez and Harrison and some extra cover in a couple of >> places and we are all set for winning it (or 13th place) >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Leedslist On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com >> Sent: 21 May 2019 10:22 >> To: Leeds List >> Subject: Re: [LU] good article >> >> I think that is it i a nutshell - Bielsa has one way of playing and that >> is the way that got a team of average players with a huge injury crisis >> into top place for so long and then 2 up in the play offs - there is no way >> Warnock et al would have managed that - we can wish all we want that he had >> changed everything and held on for 50 minutes BUT it is not what Bielsa >> does so we have to live with it and enjoy it (which I did immensely) or >> bemoan his deficiencies -take your pick because one thing is for sure, if >> he stays, and I really hope he does, we will play exactly the same way next >> season in every game irrespective of the score at any time in any match >> Dave- >> On Tuesday, 21 May 2019, 00:50:26 BST, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist < >> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: >> >> Dean Smith or Warnock would never have got that squad there in the first >> place. >> On Monday, May 20, 2019, 4:18:30 PM EDT, Robert Heath < >> heathpalai...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Here's the thingwhen we went 1-0 up the other night, I am >> prettty sure that if we'd have had that Dean Smith or Warnock as manager, >> we would have gone through. >> So the question is...do we want to succeed ugly or fail >> gloriously? (Obvs we would prefer to succeed gloiriously, but that might >> not be an option.) On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 6:57 PM Nicholas Armit via >> Leedslist wrote: >> >> Great piece. We truly have been privileged. >> Nick >> On Saturday, May 18, 2019, 6:47:25 AM EDT, Nick < >> n...@6haroldplace.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >> https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/18/marcelo-bielsa-play-off-leeds-championship >> >> Nick >> ___ >> Leedslist mailing list >> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org >> >> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ >> >> RIP Jimmy WAC-COE >> >> ___ >> Leedslist mailing list >> Info and options: https://m
Re: [LU] good article
No money, no big signings, try to do on the cheap again. This wss the first summer I really thought we had to make a couple of marquee signings to build on the previous season. Oh well. Nick On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 9:55:57 AM EDT, Jeremy Adams wrote: According to the YEP the club are already warning of a "difficult" summer in the transfer market and are hinting we'll be looking for academy products to feature more prominently, plus better loan signings... https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/leeds-united-latest/andrea-radrizzani-sends-warning-over-difficult-summer-transfer-window-for-leeds-united-1-9782913 From: Leedslist on behalf of Damian Walsh Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 7:56 AM To: leedslist Subject: Re: [LU] good article I don't know if "wiser" is the right term but I certainly hope that the lessons of last season are learnt. Which starts with the transfer window and the recruitment policy that we follow. I don't know if it's a good idea to talk in terms of "we need x defenders, y midfielders and z attackers", but I do think that it would be nice for the club to at least tacitly admit that we need to strengthen in some areas and to act accordingly. Damian On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 12:46 PM Richard Naef < rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote: > I think he'll be wiser next year and will adjust to what he's learnt and > seen about the Championship, that and hopefully a couple of better players > to replace Hernandez and Harrison and some extra cover in a couple of > places and we are all set for winning it (or 13th place) > > -Original Message- > From: Leedslist On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com > Sent: 21 May 2019 10:22 > To: Leeds List > Subject: Re: [LU] good article > > I think that is it i a nutshell - Bielsa has one way of playing and that > is the way that got a team of average players with a huge injury crisis > into top place for so long and then 2 up in the play offs - there is no way > Warnock et al would have managed that - we can wish all we want that he had > changed everything and held on for 50 minutes BUT it is not what Bielsa > does so we have to live with it and enjoy it (which I did immensely) or > bemoan his deficiencies -take your pick because one thing is for sure, if > he stays, and I really hope he does, we will play exactly the same way next > season in every game irrespective of the score at any time in any match > Dave- > On Tuesday, 21 May 2019, 00:50:26 BST, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist < > leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: > > Dean Smith or Warnock would never have got that squad there in the first > place. > On Monday, May 20, 2019, 4:18:30 PM EDT, Robert Heath < > heathpalai...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Here's the thingwhen we went 1-0 up the other night, I am > prettty sure that if we'd have had that Dean Smith or Warnock as manager, > we would have gone through. > So the question is...do we want to succeed ugly or fail > gloriously? (Obvs we would prefer to succeed gloiriously, but that might > not be an option.) On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 6:57 PM Nicholas Armit via > Leedslist wrote: > > Great piece. We truly have been privileged. > Nick > On Saturday, May 18, 2019, 6:47:25 AM EDT, Nick < > n...@6haroldplace.co.uk> wrote: > > > https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/18/marcelo-bielsa-play-off-leeds-championship > > Nick > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Jimmy WAC-COE > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Jimmy WAC-COE > > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Jimmy WAC-COE > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Jimmy WA
Re: [LU] good article
According to the YEP the club are already warning of a "difficult" summer in the transfer market and are hinting we'll be looking for academy products to feature more prominently, plus better loan signings... https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/leeds-united-latest/andrea-radrizzani-sends-warning-over-difficult-summer-transfer-window-for-leeds-united-1-9782913 From: Leedslist on behalf of Damian Walsh Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 7:56 AM To: leedslist Subject: Re: [LU] good article I don't know if "wiser" is the right term but I certainly hope that the lessons of last season are learnt. Which starts with the transfer window and the recruitment policy that we follow. I don't know if it's a good idea to talk in terms of "we need x defenders, y midfielders and z attackers", but I do think that it would be nice for the club to at least tacitly admit that we need to strengthen in some areas and to act accordingly. Damian On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 12:46 PM Richard Naef < rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote: > I think he'll be wiser next year and will adjust to what he's learnt and > seen about the Championship, that and hopefully a couple of better players > to replace Hernandez and Harrison and some extra cover in a couple of > places and we are all set for winning it (or 13th place) > > -Original Message- > From: Leedslist On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com > Sent: 21 May 2019 10:22 > To: Leeds List > Subject: Re: [LU] good article > > I think that is it i a nutshell - Bielsa has one way of playing and that > is the way that got a team of average players with a huge injury crisis > into top place for so long and then 2 up in the play offs - there is no way > Warnock et al would have managed that - we can wish all we want that he had > changed everything and held on for 50 minutes BUT it is not what Bielsa > does so we have to live with it and enjoy it (which I did immensely) or > bemoan his deficiencies -take your pick because one thing is for sure, if > he stays, and I really hope he does, we will play exactly the same way next > season in every game irrespective of the score at any time in any match > Dave- > On Tuesday, 21 May 2019, 00:50:26 BST, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist < > leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: > > Dean Smith or Warnock would never have got that squad there in the first > place. > On Monday, May 20, 2019, 4:18:30 PM EDT, Robert Heath < > heathpalai...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Here's the thingwhen we went 1-0 up the other night, I am > prettty sure that if we'd have had that Dean Smith or Warnock as manager, > we would have gone through. > So the question is...do we want to succeed ugly or fail > gloriously? (Obvs we would prefer to succeed gloiriously, but that might > not be an option.) On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 6:57 PM Nicholas Armit via > Leedslist wrote: > > Great piece. We truly have been privileged. > Nick > On Saturday, May 18, 2019, 6:47:25 AM EDT, Nick < > n...@6haroldplace.co.uk> wrote: > > > https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/18/marcelo-bielsa-play-off-leeds-championship > > Nick > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Jimmy WAC-COE > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Jimmy WAC-COE > > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Jimmy WAC-COE > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Jimmy WAC-COE > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/grou
Re: [LU] good article
I don't know if "wiser" is the right term but I certainly hope that the lessons of last season are learnt. Which starts with the transfer window and the recruitment policy that we follow. I don't know if it's a good idea to talk in terms of "we need x defenders, y midfielders and z attackers", but I do think that it would be nice for the club to at least tacitly admit that we need to strengthen in some areas and to act accordingly. Damian On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 12:46 PM Richard Naef < rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote: > I think he'll be wiser next year and will adjust to what he's learnt and > seen about the Championship, that and hopefully a couple of better players > to replace Hernandez and Harrison and some extra cover in a couple of > places and we are all set for winning it (or 13th place) > > -Original Message- > From: Leedslist On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com > Sent: 21 May 2019 10:22 > To: Leeds List > Subject: Re: [LU] good article > > I think that is it i a nutshell - Bielsa has one way of playing and that > is the way that got a team of average players with a huge injury crisis > into top place for so long and then 2 up in the play offs - there is no way > Warnock et al would have managed that - we can wish all we want that he had > changed everything and held on for 50 minutes BUT it is not what Bielsa > does so we have to live with it and enjoy it (which I did immensely) or > bemoan his deficiencies -take your pick because one thing is for sure, if > he stays, and I really hope he does, we will play exactly the same way next > season in every game irrespective of the score at any time in any match > Dave- > On Tuesday, 21 May 2019, 00:50:26 BST, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist < > leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: > > Dean Smith or Warnock would never have got that squad there in the first > place. > On Monday, May 20, 2019, 4:18:30 PM EDT, Robert Heath < > heathpalai...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Here's the thingwhen we went 1-0 up the other night, I am > prettty sure that if we'd have had that Dean Smith or Warnock as manager, > we would have gone through. > So the question is...do we want to succeed ugly or fail > gloriously? (Obvs we would prefer to succeed gloiriously, but that might > not be an option.) On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 6:57 PM Nicholas Armit via > Leedslist wrote: > > Great piece. We truly have been privileged. > Nick > On Saturday, May 18, 2019, 6:47:25 AM EDT, Nick < > n...@6haroldplace.co.uk> wrote: > > > https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/18/marcelo-bielsa-play-off-leeds-championship > > Nick > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Jimmy WAC-COE > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Jimmy WAC-COE > > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Jimmy WAC-COE > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Jimmy WAC-COE > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Jimmy WAC-COE > ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] good article
I think he'll be wiser next year and will adjust to what he's learnt and seen about the Championship, that and hopefully a couple of better players to replace Hernandez and Harrison and some extra cover in a couple of places and we are all set for winning it (or 13th place) -Original Message- From: Leedslist On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com Sent: 21 May 2019 10:22 To: Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] good article I think that is it i a nutshell - Bielsa has one way of playing and that is the way that got a team of average players with a huge injury crisis into top place for so long and then 2 up in the play offs - there is no way Warnock et al would have managed that - we can wish all we want that he had changed everything and held on for 50 minutes BUT it is not what Bielsa does so we have to live with it and enjoy it (which I did immensely) or bemoan his deficiencies -take your pick because one thing is for sure, if he stays, and I really hope he does, we will play exactly the same way next season in every game irrespective of the score at any time in any match Dave- On Tuesday, 21 May 2019, 00:50:26 BST, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist wrote: Dean Smith or Warnock would never have got that squad there in the first place. On Monday, May 20, 2019, 4:18:30 PM EDT, Robert Heath wrote: Here's the thingwhen we went 1-0 up the other night, I am prettty sure that if we'd have had that Dean Smith or Warnock as manager, we would have gone through. So the question is...do we want to succeed ugly or fail gloriously? (Obvs we would prefer to succeed gloiriously, but that might not be an option.) On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 6:57 PM Nicholas Armit via Leedslist wrote: Great piece. We truly have been privileged. Nick On Saturday, May 18, 2019, 6:47:25 AM EDT, Nick wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/18/marcelo-bielsa-play-off-leeds-championship Nick ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] good article
I think that is it i a nutshell - Bielsa has one way of playing and that is the way that got a team of average players with a huge injury crisis into top place for so long and then 2 up in the play offs - there is no way Warnock et al would have managed that - we can wish all we want that he had changed everything and held on for 50 minutes BUT it is not what Bielsa does so we have to live with it and enjoy it (which I did immensely) or bemoan his deficiencies -take your pick because one thing is for sure, if he stays, and I really hope he does, we will play exactly the same way next season in every game irrespective of the score at any time in any match Dave- On Tuesday, 21 May 2019, 00:50:26 BST, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist wrote: Dean Smith or Warnock would never have got that squad there in the first place. On Monday, May 20, 2019, 4:18:30 PM EDT, Robert Heath wrote: Here's the thingwhen we went 1-0 up the other night, I am prettty sure that if we'd have had that Dean Smith or Warnock as manager, we would have gone through. So the question is...do we want to succeed ugly or fail gloriously? (Obvs we would prefer to succeed gloiriously, but that might not be an option.) On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 6:57 PM Nicholas Armit via Leedslist wrote: Great piece. We truly have been privileged. Nick On Saturday, May 18, 2019, 6:47:25 AM EDT, Nick wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/18/marcelo-bielsa-play-off-leeds-championship Nick ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] good article
Dean Smith or Warnock would never have got that squad there in the first place. On Monday, May 20, 2019, 4:18:30 PM EDT, Robert Heath wrote: Here's the thingwhen we went 1-0 up the other night, I am prettty sure that if we'd have had that Dean Smith or Warnock as manager, we would have gone through. So the question is...do we want to succeed ugly or fail gloriously? (Obvs we would prefer to succeed gloiriously, but that might not be an option.) On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 6:57 PM Nicholas Armit via Leedslist wrote: Great piece. We truly have been privileged. Nick On Saturday, May 18, 2019, 6:47:25 AM EDT, Nick wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/18/marcelo-bielsa-play-off-leeds-championship Nick ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
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Answer is we wouldn't have got there with Smith - he only succeeded because of Grealish and Abraham who made the difference and if we still had Warnock, we'd be fucked. -Original Message- From: Leedslist On Behalf Of Robert Heath Sent: 20 May 2019 21:18 To: Nicholas Armit Cc: Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] good article Here's the thingwhen we went 1-0 up the other night, I am prettty sure that if we'd have had that Dean Smith or Warnock as manager, we would have gone through. So the question is...do we want to succeed ugly or fail gloriously? (Obvs we would prefer to succeed gloiriously, but that might not be an option.) On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 6:57 PM Nicholas Armit via Leedslist < leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: > Great piece. We truly have been privileged. > Nick > On Saturday, May 18, 2019, 6:47:25 AM EDT, Nick < > n...@6haroldplace.co.uk> wrote: > > > https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/18/marcelo-bielsa-play-o > ff-leeds-championship > > Nick > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: > https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Jimmy WAC-COE > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: > https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Jimmy WAC-COE > ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
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Here's the thingwhen we went 1-0 up the other night, I am prettty sure that if we'd have had that Dean Smith or Warnock as manager, we would have gone through. So the question is...do we want to succeed ugly or fail gloriously? (Obvs we would prefer to succeed gloiriously, but that might not be an option.) On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 6:57 PM Nicholas Armit via Leedslist < leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: > Great piece. We truly have been privileged. > Nick > On Saturday, May 18, 2019, 6:47:25 AM EDT, Nick < > n...@6haroldplace.co.uk> wrote: > > > https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/18/marcelo-bielsa-play-off-leeds-championship > > Nick > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Jimmy WAC-COE > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Jimmy WAC-COE > ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
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Great piece. We truly have been privileged. Nick On Saturday, May 18, 2019, 6:47:25 AM EDT, Nick wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/18/marcelo-bielsa-play-off-leeds-championship Nick ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
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Definitely showing your age with those specific snooker anecdotes Jeremy! :-) Rather Hurricane Higgins (or Jimmy White!) then Bill Werbeniuk Nick On Saturday, May 18, 2019, 9:39:23 AM EDT, Jeremy Adams wrote: Bielsa took an average team and got them to third place. In Guardiola's first season he took a team that had finished fourth before to second place, and that was a team littered with stars! It took Guardiola two seasons to win the title, Bielsa will do it next year (if he stays) He's created a philosophy all through the club, and I can't imagine that there won't be players who would love to come and play for him at Leeds. So I think we'll have a decent shot at getting some of our targets this summer, coupled with the fact that some U23 players can step up and know the system, I really believe we've got a shot at promotion. And if not, I can't think of any other manager in the world that I'd rather have at this club. Yes we fell short this season, yes he has no plan B and believes solely in the purity of his philosophy but fuck me what a philosophy! I'd rather be supporting this team, who go out to play football and try to create as many chances as they can, than say a team like Cardiff under Warnock, whose philosophy is to win by not losing, keep it tight at the back and hope to nick something on the break. It's like the difference between Hurricane Higgins and Steve Davis, when Higgins played it was thrilling to watch (well as thrilling as snooker can be) Steve Davis may have won more but he was as dull as fuck. Jeremy From: Leedslist on behalf of nat...@sky.com Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2019 7:26 AM To: Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] good article I like the comments - all those who say they are Leeds fans saying what a great season it has been and how desperate they are for MB to stay - other fans either trying to 'big up' their team or whinge about Leeds, with a few who cannot understand why we do not want rid of a manager who had promotion in the bag and blew it (twice) I just know I have loved this season - yes it was heartbreaking at the end and all self inflicted (Wigan, Sheff U in the league and then Derby on Wednesday) but during the season from that first match v Stoke we knew we had something special going on Bielsa's recent record does suggest that he cannot repeat this a second season but, for me, as long as the players and, to a lesser degree, the fans, still believe in him (the shouts of 'get rid / hoof it' have become less and less over the course of the season and have brought some condescending comments of 'your first game this season mate' or ' have you not understood this season' etc) then I think we can do it next year. Yes, we need much better luck with injuries and we need to sort out a few problem positions but if we keep the bulk of the squad , which we should be able to, and then get some top additions either on loan or permanent and then bring through the likes of Shackleton, Clarke, Gotts, Odour,Stevens, Stujick, Halme and of course Edmondson then the future is looking great The last few months have been tiring and I am ready for a rest but I know in a few weeks time I will begin to miss that buzz of going to ER and will end up going to the home pre season friendly saying 'this is always shit, why are we here ?' Dave On Saturday, 18 May 2019, 11:47:22 BST, Nick wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/18/marcelo-bielsa-play-off-leeds-championship Nick ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
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It's exhausting isn't it Dave and I don't even get to go to games. Nick On Saturday, May 18, 2019, 7:26:48 AM EDT, nat...@sky.com wrote: I like the comments - all those who say they are Leeds fans saying what a great season it has been and how desperate they are for MB to stay - other fans either trying to 'big up' their team or whinge about Leeds, with a few who cannot understand why we do not want rid of a manager who had promotion in the bag and blew it (twice) I just know I have loved this season - yes it was heartbreaking at the end and all self inflicted (Wigan, Sheff U in the league and then Derby on Wednesday) but during the season from that first match v Stoke we knew we had something special going on Bielsa's recent record does suggest that he cannot repeat this a second season but, for me, as long as the players and, to a lesser degree, the fans, still believe in him (the shouts of 'get rid / hoof it' have become less and less over the course of the season and have brought some condescending comments of 'your first game this season mate' or ' have you not understood this season' etc) then I think we can do it next year. Yes, we need much better luck with injuries and we need to sort out a few problem positions but if we keep the bulk of the squad , which we should be able to, and then get some top additions either on loan or permanent and then bring through the likes of Shackleton, Clarke, Gotts, Odour,Stevens, Stujick, Halme and of course Edmondson then the future is looking great The last few months have been tiring and I am ready for a rest but I know in a few weeks time I will begin to miss that buzz of going to ER and will end up going to the home pre season friendly saying 'this is always shit, why are we here ?' Dave On Saturday, 18 May 2019, 11:47:22 BST, Nick wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/18/marcelo-bielsa-play-off-leeds-championship Nick ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
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like the Higgins/Davis analogy... > On 18 May 2019, at 14:39, Jeremy Adams wrote: > > Bielsa took an average team and got them to third place. In Guardiola's first > season he took a team that had finished fourth before to second place, and > that was a team littered with stars! It took Guardiola two seasons to win the > title, Bielsa will do it next year (if he stays) He's created a philosophy > all through the club, and I can't imagine that there won't be players who > would love to come and play for him at Leeds. So I think we'll have a decent > shot at getting some of our targets this summer, coupled with the fact that > some U23 players can step up and know the system, I really believe we've got > a shot at promotion. > > And if not, I can't think of any other manager in the world that I'd rather > have at this club. Yes we fell short this season, yes he has no plan B and > believes solely in the purity of his philosophy but fuck me what a philosophy! > I'd rather be supporting this team, who go out to play football and try to > create as many chances as they can, than say a team like Cardiff under > Warnock, whose philosophy is to win by not losing, keep it tight at the back > and hope to nick something on the break. It's like the difference between > Hurricane Higgins and Steve Davis, when Higgins played it was thrilling to > watch (well as thrilling as snooker can be) Steve Davis may have won more but > he was as dull as fuck. > > Jeremy > > > From: Leedslist on behalf of nat...@sky.com > > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2019 7:26 AM > To: Leeds List > Subject: Re: [LU] good article > > I like the comments - all those who say they are Leeds fans saying what a > great season it has been and how desperate they are for MB to stay - other > fans either trying to 'big up' their team or whinge about Leeds, with a few > who cannot understand why we do not want rid of a manager who had promotion > in the bag and blew it (twice) > I just know I have loved this season - yes it was heartbreaking at the end > and all self inflicted (Wigan, Sheff U in the league and then Derby on > Wednesday) but during the season from that first match v Stoke we knew we > had something special going on > Bielsa's recent record does suggest that he cannot repeat this a second > season but, for me, as long as the players and, to a lesser degree, the fans, > still believe in him (the shouts of 'get rid / hoof it' have become less and > less over the course of the season and have brought some condescending > comments of 'your first game this season mate' or ' have you not understood > this season' etc) then I think we can do it next year. Yes, we need much > better luck with injuries and we need to sort out a few problem positions but > if we keep the bulk of the squad , which we should be able to, and then get > some top additions either on loan or permanent and then bring through the > likes of Shackleton, Clarke, Gotts, Odour,Stevens, Stujick, Halme and of > course Edmondson then the future is looking great > The last few months have been tiring and I am ready for a rest but I know in > a few weeks time I will begin to miss that buzz of going to ER and will end > up going to the home pre season friendly saying 'this is always shit, why are > we here ?' > Dave >On Saturday, 18 May 2019, 11:47:22 BST, Nick > wrote: > > https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/18/marcelo-bielsa-play-off-leeds-championship > > Nick > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Jimmy WAC-COE > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Jimmy WAC-COE > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
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Bielsa took an average team and got them to third place. In Guardiola's first season he took a team that had finished fourth before to second place, and that was a team littered with stars! It took Guardiola two seasons to win the title, Bielsa will do it next year (if he stays) He's created a philosophy all through the club, and I can't imagine that there won't be players who would love to come and play for him at Leeds. So I think we'll have a decent shot at getting some of our targets this summer, coupled with the fact that some U23 players can step up and know the system, I really believe we've got a shot at promotion. And if not, I can't think of any other manager in the world that I'd rather have at this club. Yes we fell short this season, yes he has no plan B and believes solely in the purity of his philosophy but fuck me what a philosophy! I'd rather be supporting this team, who go out to play football and try to create as many chances as they can, than say a team like Cardiff under Warnock, whose philosophy is to win by not losing, keep it tight at the back and hope to nick something on the break. It's like the difference between Hurricane Higgins and Steve Davis, when Higgins played it was thrilling to watch (well as thrilling as snooker can be) Steve Davis may have won more but he was as dull as fuck. Jeremy From: Leedslist on behalf of nat...@sky.com Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2019 7:26 AM To: Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] good article I like the comments - all those who say they are Leeds fans saying what a great season it has been and how desperate they are for MB to stay - other fans either trying to 'big up' their team or whinge about Leeds, with a few who cannot understand why we do not want rid of a manager who had promotion in the bag and blew it (twice) I just know I have loved this season - yes it was heartbreaking at the end and all self inflicted (Wigan, Sheff U in the league and then Derby on Wednesday) but during the season from that first match v Stoke we knew we had something special going on Bielsa's recent record does suggest that he cannot repeat this a second season but, for me, as long as the players and, to a lesser degree, the fans, still believe in him (the shouts of 'get rid / hoof it' have become less and less over the course of the season and have brought some condescending comments of 'your first game this season mate' or ' have you not understood this season' etc) then I think we can do it next year. Yes, we need much better luck with injuries and we need to sort out a few problem positions but if we keep the bulk of the squad , which we should be able to, and then get some top additions either on loan or permanent and then bring through the likes of Shackleton, Clarke, Gotts, Odour,Stevens, Stujick, Halme and of course Edmondson then the future is looking great The last few months have been tiring and I am ready for a rest but I know in a few weeks time I will begin to miss that buzz of going to ER and will end up going to the home pre season friendly saying 'this is always shit, why are we here ?' Dave On Saturday, 18 May 2019, 11:47:22 BST, Nick wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/18/marcelo-bielsa-play-off-leeds-championship Nick ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
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I like the comments - all those who say they are Leeds fans saying what a great season it has been and how desperate they are for MB to stay - other fans either trying to 'big up' their team or whinge about Leeds, with a few who cannot understand why we do not want rid of a manager who had promotion in the bag and blew it (twice) I just know I have loved this season - yes it was heartbreaking at the end and all self inflicted (Wigan, Sheff U in the league and then Derby on Wednesday) but during the season from that first match v Stoke we knew we had something special going on Bielsa's recent record does suggest that he cannot repeat this a second season but, for me, as long as the players and, to a lesser degree, the fans, still believe in him (the shouts of 'get rid / hoof it' have become less and less over the course of the season and have brought some condescending comments of 'your first game this season mate' or ' have you not understood this season' etc) then I think we can do it next year. Yes, we need much better luck with injuries and we need to sort out a few problem positions but if we keep the bulk of the squad , which we should be able to, and then get some top additions either on loan or permanent and then bring through the likes of Shackleton, Clarke, Gotts, Odour,Stevens, Stujick, Halme and of course Edmondson then the future is looking great The last few months have been tiring and I am ready for a rest but I know in a few weeks time I will begin to miss that buzz of going to ER and will end up going to the home pre season friendly saying 'this is always shit, why are we here ?' Dave On Saturday, 18 May 2019, 11:47:22 BST, Nick wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/18/marcelo-bielsa-play-off-leeds-championship Nick ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] good article
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/18/marcelo-bielsa-play-off-leeds-championship Nick ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] Good article
http://sportwitness.co.uk/leeds-united-marching-world-club-reinflated/ ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org FLAME WARS 'R US
Re: [LU] Good article in the Telegraph
Interesting that the tough fixture list he mentions for the next month are the same four teams Redfearn faced in his first caretaker spell. Although two of them have changed manager since. Tim W. From: To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2015, 21:22 Subject: [LU] Good article in the Telegraph In which Henry Winter suggests that Cellino might be dictating tactics: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/fa-cup/11323478/Leeds-United-go-back-to-their-worst-nightmare-as-they-face-Sunderland-in-the-FA-Cup.html Cheers! Sean ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Good article in the Telegraph
In which Henry Winter suggests that Cellino might be dictating tactics: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/fa-cup/11323478/Leeds-United-go-back-to-their-worst-nightmare-as-they-face-Sunderland-in-the-FA-Cup.html Cheers! Sean ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Good article in the Telegraph
Mussolini made the trains run on time. Has our Italian has derailed us? :( Dr Michael Benjamin, Community Psychiatrist --- myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT http://www.myRay.com http://www.myRay.org -- Mental Health: http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com Auditing || Quality Control http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com/alamo/ Blog: http://www.DrMichaelBenjamin.com On 3 January 2015 at 23:22, [broken-address] seanscr...@aol.com-is-broken.gn.apc.org wrote: In which Henry Winter suggests that Cellino might be dictating tactics: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/fa-cup/11323478/Leeds-United-go-back-to-their-worst-nightmare-as-they-face-Sunderland-in-the-FA-Cup.html Cheers! Sean ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Good (?) article in mailonline
Ironic that the Rhinestone Cowboy should feel it's his place to provide an opinion on financial aspects of LUFC in the Mail piece? On Sunday, 20 July 2014, 21:34, Paul Cundell p...@cundell.com wrote: There's no such thing as a good article in mailonline.There's very rarely a true article in mailonline. Ask George Clooney. 'Sources' tend to be the tea lady in the Mail canteen and 'Sources Close' tend to be the post boy to the Sports Editor. Cheers Paul On 20 July 2014 09:41, nat...@sky.com nat...@sky.com wrote: The 'Headline read Leeds United - Still Damned after all these years? Fans should be wary of convicted fraudster Massimo Cellino, as Italian owner promises Premier League football by 2016 * Italian has told players to bring their own sandwiches to training, buy their own matchday socks and demanded they live in Leeds * He hired Dave Hockaday off the back of seven defeats in eight games for Forest Green Rovers * Cellino has promised to buy back Elland Road 'by November' and said the club will be playing Premier League football within two years * Fans are believing in the Italian after the nightmare they have endured under owners like Peter Risdale It then gives a summary of Cellino so far and a few other things re Bromby and Naylor Is mainly anti Cellino without being a real hatchet job and sort of sums up many of the views on this list and elsewhere http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2698679/Leeds-United-Still-Damned-years-Fans-wary-Italian-owner-Massimo-Cellino.html ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Good (?) article in mailonline
The 'Headline read Leeds United - Still Damned after all these years? Fans should be wary of convicted fraudster Massimo Cellino, as Italian owner promises Premier League football by 2016 * Italian has told players to bring their own sandwiches to training, buy their own matchday socks and demanded they live in Leeds * He hired Dave Hockaday off the back of seven defeats in eight games for Forest Green Rovers * Cellino has promised to buy back Elland Road 'by November' and said the club will be playing Premier League football within two years * Fans are believing in the Italian after the nightmare they have endured under owners like Peter Risdale It then gives a summary of Cellino so far and a few other things re Bromby and Naylor Is mainly anti Cellino without being a real hatchet job and sort of sums up many of the views on this list and elsewhere http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2698679/Leeds-United-Still-Damned-years-Fans-wary-Italian-owner-Massimo-Cellino.html Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Good (?) article in mailonline
That's it then, if the Daily Mail is the definitive news about Leeds then we're doomed! Living in Australia, and on a daily basis reading all major UK news sources, the only thing I can say is that the drivel that comes out of the Daily Mail is plentiful enough to feed my partner's mother's partner's pig farm! Cellino IN! -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com Sent: Sunday, 20 July 2014 6:41 PM To: leeds list Subject: [LU] Good (?) article in mailonline The 'Headline read Leeds United - Still Damned after all these years? Fans should be wary of convicted fraudster Massimo Cellino, as Italian owner promises Premier League football by 2016 * Italian has told players to bring their own sandwiches to training, buy their own matchday socks and demanded they live in Leeds * He hired Dave Hockaday off the back of seven defeats in eight games for Forest Green Rovers * Cellino has promised to buy back Elland Road 'by November' and said the club will be playing Premier League football within two years * Fans are believing in the Italian after the nightmare they have endured under owners like Peter Risdale It then gives a summary of Cellino so far and a few other things re Bromby and Naylor Is mainly anti Cellino without being a real hatchet job and sort of sums up many of the views on this list and elsewhere http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2698679/Leeds-United-Still -Damned-years-Fans-wary-Italian-owner-Massimo-Cellino.html Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Good (?) article in mailonline
The Mail would find a negative spin on The Second Coming. Not even fit for bog roll. Nigel. On 20 July 2014 10:19, Peter Castlehouse dubca...@iinet.net.au wrote: That's it then, if the Daily Mail is the definitive news about Leeds then we're doomed! Living in Australia, and on a daily basis reading all major UK news sources, the only thing I can say is that the drivel that comes out of the Daily Mail is plentiful enough to feed my partner's mother's partner's pig farm! Cellino IN! -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com Sent: Sunday, 20 July 2014 6:41 PM To: leeds list Subject: [LU] Good (?) article in mailonline The 'Headline read Leeds United - Still Damned after all these years? Fans should be wary of convicted fraudster Massimo Cellino, as Italian owner promises Premier League football by 2016 * Italian has told players to bring their own sandwiches to training, buy their own matchday socks and demanded they live in Leeds * He hired Dave Hockaday off the back of seven defeats in eight games for Forest Green Rovers * Cellino has promised to buy back Elland Road 'by November' and said the club will be playing Premier League football within two years * Fans are believing in the Italian after the nightmare they have endured under owners like Peter Risdale It then gives a summary of Cellino so far and a few other things re Bromby and Naylor Is mainly anti Cellino without being a real hatchet job and sort of sums up many of the views on this list and elsewhere http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2698679/Leeds-United-Still -Damned-years-Fans-wary-Italian-owner-Massimo-Cellino.html Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER -- vectoria.co.uk concentrichron.com -- Mindbrix -- Dream it, draw it, build it, love it 69 Derby Street Beeston Nottingham NG9 2LG +44 7905 311 352 ni...@mindbrix.co.uk www.mindbrix.co.uk Skype: ntbarber twitter.com/mindbrix ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Good (?) article in mailonline
Seconded - what next - Cellini gives you cancer? Italian club owner murdered the sainted Diana? Sent from my iPhone On 20 Jul 2014, at 10:02, Damian Walsh pussaydam...@gmail.com wrote: If the Mail is against him, then all I can say is Cellino IN! Damian On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:41 AM, nat...@sky.com nat...@sky.com wrote: The 'Headline read Leeds United - Still Damned after all these years? Fans should be wary of convicted fraudster Massimo Cellino, as Italian owner promises Premier League football by 2016 * Italian has told players to bring their own sandwiches to training, buy their own matchday socks and demanded they live in Leeds * He hired Dave Hockaday off the back of seven defeats in eight games for Forest Green Rovers * Cellino has promised to buy back Elland Road 'by November' and said the club will be playing Premier League football within two years * Fans are believing in the Italian after the nightmare they have endured under owners like Peter Risdale It then gives a summary of Cellino so far and a few other things re Bromby and Naylor Is mainly anti Cellino without being a real hatchet job and sort of sums up many of the views on this list and elsewhere http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2698679/Leeds-United-Still-Damned-years-Fans-wary-Italian-owner-Massimo-Cellino.html Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Good (?) article in mailonline
Paddy Kenny, looking older than his 36 years, poured his curves into a figure-hugging goalkeeper's jersey On 20 Jul 2014, at 12:14, [broken-address] Leeds List forzale...@aol.com-is-broken.gn.apc.org wrote: Seconded - what next - Cellini gives you cancer? Italian club owner murdered the sainted Diana? ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Good (?) article in mailonline
There's no such thing as a good article in mailonline.There's very rarely a true article in mailonline. Ask George Clooney. 'Sources' tend to be the tea lady in the Mail canteen and 'Sources Close' tend to be the post boy to the Sports Editor. Cheers Paul On 20 July 2014 09:41, nat...@sky.com nat...@sky.com wrote: The 'Headline read Leeds United - Still Damned after all these years? Fans should be wary of convicted fraudster Massimo Cellino, as Italian owner promises Premier League football by 2016 * Italian has told players to bring their own sandwiches to training, buy their own matchday socks and demanded they live in Leeds * He hired Dave Hockaday off the back of seven defeats in eight games for Forest Green Rovers * Cellino has promised to buy back Elland Road 'by November' and said the club will be playing Premier League football within two years * Fans are believing in the Italian after the nightmare they have endured under owners like Peter Risdale It then gives a summary of Cellino so far and a few other things re Bromby and Naylor Is mainly anti Cellino without being a real hatchet job and sort of sums up many of the views on this list and elsewhere http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2698679/Leeds-United-Still-Damned-years-Fans-wary-Italian-owner-Massimo-Cellino.html ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Good article in the Guardian - worth a read
With the strap line Leeds United is the story of how not to run a football club Now convicted fraudster Massimo Cellino is free to take over at Leeds, what next for their long-suffering fans? http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/apr/05/leeds-united-massimo-cellini-takeover? ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] good article by Henry Winter
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/leeds-united/10612353/Leeds-show-whos-the-boss.html I do think Henry has a soft spot for us - both club and fans - he often tweats good things about us dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] good article by Henry Winter
This is a really good article. I'd urge everyone to read it. Winter clearly has one or more sources inside the club telling him what was going on. It's the first I'd heard of a 4 million pound payment due, which might explain - but not excuse - some of the shenanigans. Cheers! Sean -Original Message- From: nattan nat...@sky.com To: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Sat, Feb 1, 2014 4:40 pm Subject: [LU] good article by Henry Winter http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/leeds-united/10612353/Leeds-show-whos-the-boss.html I do think Henry has a soft spot for us - both club and fans - he often tweats good things about us dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] good article by Henry Winter
I follow Winter on Twitter and he's always pro-Leeds. Sent from my iPad On 1 Feb 2014, at 22:37, seanscr...@aol.com wrote: This is a really good article. I'd urge everyone to read it. Winter clearly has one or more sources inside the club telling him what was going on. It's the first I'd heard of a 4 million pound payment due, which might explain - but not excuse - some of the shenanigans. Cheers! Sean -Original Message- From: nattan nat...@sky.com To: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Sat, Feb 1, 2014 4:40 pm Subject: [LU] good article by Henry Winter http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/leeds-united/10612353/Leeds-show-whos-the-boss.html I do think Henry has a soft spot for us - both club and fans - he often tweats good things about us dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Good article by Phil Hay - sums up Warnock position well
http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/leeds-united/latest-whites-news/phil-hay-warnock-is-on-his-way-out-of-leeds-united-it-s-just-a-matter-of-how-and-when-1-5417480 Of some interest is his championing of Nigel Adkins as Colin's successor - guesswork / wishful thinking / or inside knowledge ? Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Good article by Phil Hay - sums up Warnock position well
With that of David Conn we look not awfully good. Dr Michael Benjamin, Community Psychiatrist --- myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT http://www.myRay.com http://www.myRay.org -- Mental Health: http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com Auditing || Quality Control http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com/alamo/ Blog: http://www.DrMichaelBenjamin.com On 16 February 2013 14:46, David Nattan nat...@sky.com wrote: http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/leeds-united/latest-whites-news/phil-hay-warnock-is-on-his-way-out-of-leeds-united-it-s-just-a-matter-of-how-and-when-1-5417480 Of some interest is his championing of Nigel Adkins as Colin's successor - guesswork / wishful thinking / or inside knowledge ? Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Good article by Phil Hay - sums up Warnock position well
Please! Would love him to be manager! GFH just been slated on sky sports by assorted washed up pundits Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: David Nattan nat...@sky.com Sender: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 12:46:15 To: leeds listleedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: [LU] Good article by Phil Hay - sums up Warnock position well http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/leeds-united/latest-whites-news/phil-hay-warnock-is-on-his-way-out-of-leeds-united-it-s-just-a-matter-of-how-and-when-1-5417480 Of some interest is his championing of Nigel Adkins as Colin's successor - guesswork / wishful thinking / or inside knowledge ? Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
[LU] good article on the state of things at ER
http://ken-demange.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/lamentable-leeds-lacking-leaders-at-all.html Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
[LU] Good article (apart from headline) from Telegraph - very long
Sam Wallace: The Kirkland attack was horrific – but let's keep some perspective When he reflects on his attack on Chris Kirkland at Hillsborough on Friday, the Leeds United fan in question might wonder why he picked the night the Sky Sports HD cameras were in town – capable of reading the LUFC tattoo on his neck, never mind capturing his grinning face. Violent, cowardly and thuggish? Undoubtedly, but not exactly the Professor Moriarty of football-related crime, is he? And as for his fellow pitch invaders, one of them – you will have to refer back to the video clip for this one – appears to be, for reasons best known to himself, fighting with the goal net. Kirkland, thankfully, was not seriously injured. As for his assailant, widely named in newspapers and on social media there is a good chance he will be given a custodial sentence. His banning order from football grounds will be so long there is even a chance Leeds might be back in the Premier League by the time he is permitted legally to watch them in person.# If he is found guilty of assault, encroachment on the pitch, encouraging others to follow him – and the distinct possibility that he may have breached an existing banning order – it will be a long rap sheet. Gloucestershire police made an arrest yesterday. It was appalling to watch. He deserves to be punished. But what about the wisdom of the wider clamour for a crackdown and for the police and the courts to get tough with football fans? The problem with an incident as regrettable as the one at Hillsborough is that it often provokes a sharp lurch to the right, when it comes to attitudes towards football's so-called problem and demands more of police and courts. Yet the legislation introduced around a decade ago to deter football disorder is already draconian and civil liberties groups have asked serious questions about the measures' ethical basis. The football banning order (FBO) remains the cornerstone of football policing and the Football (Disorder) Act of 2000 means that a fan does not necessarily need to have a criminal conviction in order to be served one. The police can apply to a court for an FBO on the basis that they have evidence that the individual is considered likely to cause disorder around a match. There are around 3,000 FBOs currently in place, of which 500 are on complaint, or for those who have not been convicted of an offence. FBOs typically include a ban from an exclusion zone around an individual's home ground, a ban from all grounds in the country and the requirement to surrender one's passport while England are playing abroad. FBOs last a minimum of three years. The concern among fans' groups, including the Football Supporters' Federation (FSF), is that police are applying for banning orders on relatively low-level public order offences. While discretion is used by the police, that might include swearing at a ground. Or gesturing at opposing fans. Entering a ground drunk can trigger an arrest, and potentially an FBO. And before the clubs grab the moral high ground, it should be pointed out that they all serve alcohol. In general, there is little sympathy for football supporters or a desire to hear about what they regard as maltreatment. One only needs to witness the struggle of the families of victims of the 1989 Hillsborough disaster for justice to recognise that and Friday's incident at the same ground will not help. Four years ago, more than 80 Stoke City fans were rounded up by Greater Manchester Police (GMP) under Section 27 of the Violent Crime Reduction Act– designed to break up drunken groups – and transported back home without watching their team play at Old Trafford. They were held for four hours, placed on coaches with no toilets and told by police that they had to urinate in paper cups. They sued GMP with the help of FSF. The most recent Home Office statistics for football-related disorder, for the 2010-2011 season, reported a total of 3,089 arrests out of an estimated total attendance of 37m. That is, as the Home Office itself points out, less than 0.01 per cent of all supporters or one arrest for every 12,249 tickets sold. It was 9 per cent down on the 2009-2010 season. Yet even now, the authorities continue to video innocent supporters watching games, a practice that understandably upsets many supporters. Police are likely to take your name if you are ejected for persistent standing or having a ticket in the wrong section of a ground, even though these are not criminal offences. There has also been the introduction of bubble matches, the term used to describe the style of policing for games identified as being at high-risk of disorder. Away supporters are given no alternative but to collect their tickets at a designated location and be bussed in and out en masse under police supervision, as will be the case for the Burnley v Blackburn Rovers, the east Lancashire derby, next month. It should
Re: [LU] Good article (apart from headline) from Telegraph - very long
Spot on Rich. We have to put our own house in order. On 22 October 2012 10:47, Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.ukwrote: Thanks for posting that Dave, a good article covering the issue of how badly treated football fans are and how much of our civil liberties have been removed. But while football grounds are generally much safer than 20 or 30 years ago, until we do police ourselves and get rid of the scum who chant at Dave Jones about unfounded allegations and destroy seats and advertising hoardings its going to be difficult to argue a case for a relaxation of the draconian treatment normal law abiding fans receive. ttfn Richard ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate -- vectoria.co.uk concentrichron.com -- Mindbrix -- Dream it, draw it, build it, love it 69 Derby Street Beeston Nottingham NG9 2LG +44 7905 311 352 ni...@mindbrix.co.uk www.mindbrix.co.uk Skype: ntbarber twitter.com/mindbrix ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Good article (apart from headline) from Telegraph - very long
Spot on Rich. We have to put our own house in order. Great, I'll get some berets and badges made up - perhaps a cravat with woggle would look good as well and we can start at the next away match we can both get to, Millwall maybe? Anyone else want to sign up? ttfn Richard ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Good article (apart from headline) from Telegraph - very long
As a cub scout leader I can provide the woggles !! I do remember the 'Guardian Anglels ' on the trams in Manchester - they did not last long ! Dave Spot on Rich. We have to put our own house in order. Great, I'll get some berets and badges made up - perhaps a cravat with woggle would look good as well and we can start at the next away match we can both get to, Millwall maybe? Anyone else want to sign up? ttfn Richard ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Good article (apart from headline) from Telegraph - very long
As a cub scout leader I can provide the woggles !! I do remember the 'Guardian Anglels ' on the trams in Manchester - they did not last long ! Yeah, I think it was the sarcasm they couldn't handle. Being from new york they were only used to being confronted by meth addicts with guns. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Good article (apart from headline) from Telegraph - very long
They tried them on the London Underground and they didn't last long there either. IIRC they caused more bother than they solved. Sent from my iPhone On 22 Oct 2012, at 11:52, Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk wrote: As a cub scout leader I can provide the woggles !! I do remember the 'Guardian Anglels ' on the trams in Manchester - they did not last long ! Yeah, I think it was the sarcasm they couldn't handle. Being from new york they were only used to being confronted by meth addicts with guns. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Good article (apart from headline) from Telegraph - very long
agreed, an excellent piece. I also liked the fact that Peter Beagrie made the point on the night around the songs the Owls fans were singing too. Not that there's any excuses - the bloke's an idiot and unfortunately for him is going to get a sharp and probably over the top lesson is how expensive character flaws can be! From: DAVID NATTAN david.nat...@btinternet.com To: listleedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Monday, 22 October 2012, 10:37 Subject: [LU] Good article (apart from headline) from Telegraph - very long Sam Wallace: The Kirkland attack was horrific – but let's keep some perspective When he reflects on his attack on Chris Kirkland at Hillsborough on Friday, the Leeds United fan in question might wonder why he picked the night the Sky Sports HD cameras were in town – capable of reading the LUFC tattoo on his neck, never mind capturing his grinning face. Violent, cowardly and thuggish? Undoubtedly, but not exactly the Professor Moriarty of football-related crime, is he? And as for his fellow pitch invaders, one of them – you will have to refer back to the video clip for this one – appears to be, for reasons best known to himself, fighting with the goal net. Kirkland, thankfully, was not seriously injured. As for his assailant, widely named in newspapers and on social media there is a good chance he will be given a custodial sentence. His banning order from football grounds will be so long there is even a chance Leeds might be back in the Premier League by the time he is permitted legally to watch them in person.# If he is found guilty of assault, encroachment on the pitch, encouraging others to follow him – and the distinct possibility that he may have breached an existing banning order – it will be a long rap sheet. Gloucestershire police made an arrest yesterday. It was appalling to watch. He deserves to be punished. But what about the wisdom of the wider clamour for a crackdown and for the police and the courts to get tough with football fans? The problem with an incident as regrettable as the one at Hillsborough is that it often provokes a sharp lurch to the right, when it comes to attitudes towards football's so-called problem and demands more of police and courts. Yet the legislation introduced around a decade ago to deter football disorder is already draconian and civil liberties groups have asked serious questions about the measures' ethical basis. The football banning order (FBO) remains the cornerstone of football policing and the Football (Disorder) Act of 2000 means that a fan does not necessarily need to have a criminal conviction in order to be served one. The police can apply to a court for an FBO on the basis that they have evidence that the individual is considered likely to cause disorder around a match. There are around 3,000 FBOs currently in place, of which 500 are on complaint, or for those who have not been convicted of an offence. FBOs typically include a ban from an exclusion zone around an individual's home ground, a ban from all grounds in the country and the requirement to surrender one's passport while England are playing abroad. FBOs last a minimum of three years. The concern among fans' groups, including the Football Supporters' Federation (FSF), is that police are applying for banning orders on relatively low-level public order offences. While discretion is used by the police, that might include swearing at a ground. Or gesturing at opposing fans. Entering a ground drunk can trigger an arrest, and potentially an FBO. And before the clubs grab the moral high ground, it should be pointed out that they all serve alcohol. In general, there is little sympathy for football supporters or a desire to hear about what they regard as maltreatment. One only needs to witness the struggle of the families of victims of the 1989 Hillsborough disaster for justice to recognise that and Friday's incident at the same ground will not help. Four years ago, more than 80 Stoke City fans were rounded up by Greater Manchester Police (GMP) under Section 27 of the Violent Crime Reduction Act– designed to break up drunken groups – and transported back home without watching their team play at Old Trafford. They were held for four hours, placed on coaches with no toilets and told by police that they had to urinate in paper cups. They sued GMP with the help of FSF. The most recent Home Office statistics for football-related disorder, for the 2010-2011 season, reported a total of 3,089 arrests out of an estimated total attendance of 37m. That is, as the Home Office itself points out, less than 0.01 per cent of all supporters or one arrest for every 12,249 tickets sold. It was 9 per cent down on the 2009-2010 season. Yet even now, the authorities continue to video innocent supporters watching games, a practice that understandably upsets many supporters. Police are likely to take your name
[LU] Good article from sabotage times
While it is hard to look past the exploits of Don Revie and his cabal of brilliant players, without John Barr many of the stars of the best Leeds team in history wouldn’t have gone near Elland Rd. Give it up for the super scout… In an age when Britain’s biggest clubs scour the world for stars, prospects can seem limited for Scottish talent on a bigger stage, as the national game lurches from crisis to crisis and Scots players takes on the cast of ‘poor relations’. But it wasn’t always the case. In 1966, the year England won the world cup (as the English media never tire of reminding everyone), Scots contributed a remarkable 20 per cent of players within the squads of, what was then, the English First Division and throughout the 70s and 80s no self-respecting top tier dressing room was complete without a Scottish contingent at its beating heart. In no small part, that record is a legacy of the work begun in the 1960s by two unheralded Scottish scouts, John Barr at Elland Road and Jimmy Dickie at Old Trafford. As a young manager at St Mirren, Sir Alex Ferguson knew both men and benefited from their advice. He says: “I learned about scouting by watching games with them.” And indeed to this day Sir Alex maintains that the one attribute that he wishes he’d been born with with was John Barr’s ability to evaluate young prospects so consistently accurately. Sir Alex says: “ John used to visit me at Love Street and when I came to Manchester, Jimmy became my main Scottish scout.” Ferguson says the two professional rivals “were of the old school. They always treated people with respect. Even though they were competing for the same boys’ signatures, they went about their jobs with an integrity that didn’t harm their friendship”. After spending four years as a prisoner in Germany, he resumed his career with QPR, eventually graduating to a scouting position with the club. Though the two scouts are associated with a raft of Scottish stars from a bygone golden age, Sir Alex says that their legacy has been felt just keenly, for the Man United boss, in recent times. “I remember when David Beckham was just a young boy his parents came to see me and asked if I’d consider releasing David. He was still quite small and their concern was that it would break his heart not to make it at United and that it might be better to release him early. I assured them though that David Beckham could have a career at United and also that he would grow to be able to compete at the top level. I’d like to think that view was in some part shaped by the experience of watching young players with John when I was starting out as a manager in Scotland.” John Barr’s career began at Third Lanark, where he played as a centre-half, and, like Bill Shankly and Matt Busby, his contemporaries, his playing career was interrupted by war. After spending four years as a prisoner in Germany, he resumed his career with QPR, eventually graduating to a scouting position with the club. It was not, however, until he moved to Leeds to join Don Revie in 1961 that he began to make his reputation, maintaining his association with Leeds until his death in 1997, aged 80. Under Revie’s stewardship and inspired by Barr’s signings, Leeds United became the dominant force in English football between 1967 and 1974. Scottish prospects like Bremner, Lorimer, McQueen, Jordan and the Gray brothers, constituted the backbone of the side, becoming world-class talents. The statistical record of that period: two League Championships, the FA Cup, one League Cup and two European Fairs Cups, barely does them justice. If Leeds weren’t winning, they were usually a close second. As Tony Collins, Leeds’ chief scout under Revie, recalls: “We were so strong that we could have put the milkman in goal and it wouldn’t have affected the result in many games.” “Barr convinced players that Leeds would be the club of the future, even while they were still in the Second Division in the early 1960s – Peter Lorimer” This superiority allowed youngsters to be introduced into the first team, giving Barr a platform to attract the cream of Scottish talent. According to Lorimer: “Barr convinced players that Leeds would be the club of the future, even while they were still in the Second Division in the early 1960s.” By 1973, there were 17 Scots on the books at Leeds. Most of them, like Bremner, McQueen, Jordan, Harvey, the Gray brothers and Peter Lorimer were just as important to the national side as they were to Revie’s domination of the early 1970s. The solid Scottish values of integrity, modesty and patience exemplified by Barr and Dickie may be unfashionable now, but the lessons of their insight influenced Ferguson. “The great scout has a vision of how a player’s potential might develop, rather than assessing their raw ability,” he says. “That can only be learned by watching different types of players develop. It is the kind of experience that
