Re: [LU] Hammers / farewell to Klich

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 I thought we rallied well late 2nd half but overall it was a very average 
performance against one of the poorer teams in the league. 
I agree with your Aaronson comments who looks likes he's struggling big time 
but surprised you haven't picked up on Roca, who really adds nothing to the 
team other than a nice back pass and the occassional corner. He was in the side 
to be the creative midfielder but he doesn't create anything. He was dragged 
off last night, as he is most games, as we chased the game. Obviously, Marsch 
doesn't think he's capable of producing the creativity for goals either. He 
even started with a half fit Forshaw over him against the Geordies ? 10 million 
pounds of pure averageness. 
The playing around the back is back to the bad old days. Koch is terrible at 
placing a pass and was under pressure all night. It usually ends up with 
Meslier punting up front for 5ft 4 Willy to win. 
Gnonto was the highlight for me, almost a one man team at times when he gets 
the ball and runs but is this our tactic, to rely on individuals to beat 3 men 
and put it in the net ? I also thought Adams battled well in the midfield with 
nobody really helping him. 
Tactics are baffling. I think we're going down. 
Missed the Klich send off. Why didn't the club didn't announce this pre-match ?


On Thursday, 5 January 2023 at 10:08:35 GMT, nattan--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 An odd game in many ways , for 63 minutes this was two very mediocre teams 
playing poorly in awful conditions with a bad ref (" who's the  cockney in the 
black?" Sang the crowd )It would have been totally non descript apart from the 
goals, but after the introduction of Harrison things changed and for the last 
25 mins it was fun and exciting. Overall,  probably 2pts dropped rather than 
one gained , and supposedly we have dropped 14 pts when we have gone ahead ( to 
be fair last night we did get a point after being behind  as well, so not sure 
how stats are calculated)

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Re: [LU] Hammers

[Robert Heath]

What nobody is mentioning is the dreaded London Curse.

I normally pay no attention to such superstitious nonsense, but there is no
escaping the fact that we don't just lose every bloody match down
there...we have Incredible bad luck every time.

Yesterday it was the penalty rebound and the var kneecap call, but if you
think back we have had dozens of blows from fate...just a few off the
top of my head: disallowed goal v Palace.. Costa og v
Palace..Berardi red card & pen v Millwall...Casilla fuckup v
Brentford.. terrible penalty decision v Fulham...even Aubameyang
suddenly deciding to play like the 50 million quid striker he is for once
or Kante ditto like a World Cup winner.

You could slam Bamford et al for missing all those chances, but I think the
point was we were never going to score last night.

I wonder how the curse is going to arrange for us to lose at Craven Cottage
next week. My prediction is a 3rd min red card for Raphinha and Bamford
being kidnapped by aliens after he's rounded the keeper.

On Tue, 9 Mar 2021, 16:17 Simon McNally via Leedslist, 
wrote:

> Not much to add to that.
> I think for the corner goal, you’ve got to be looking at the keeper too.
> He’s about 8 yards out when he heads it in - surely the keeper has to take
> responsibility there?
> I did hear that Klich is carrying an injury but he’s looked well off the
> pace for a long time. I think he needs a break from starting. Perhaps the
> step up from the champ is too much for him?
> Agree about Costa. I think he looked lively when coming on as a sub a
> couple of times and deserved a start but I’ve not seen anything to suggest
> he deserves to stay in the team.
> Agree about West Ham. We were the better side for long periods and should
> really have taken something from the game.
> There’s a few I think that have reached their maximum level . I did hear
> talk of 5 signings in the summer?
>
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> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard
> Walker via Leedslist 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 3:23:20 PM
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> Subject: [LU] Hammers
>
> Started really brightly and took West Ham by surprise. We looked quick and
> first to the ball for the first 15 mins and had the ball in the back of the
> net twice, one of which was the closest of off-sides. Then it all went to
> shit as Ayling swung his foot at Lingard in the box and gave away a
> needless free kick. It was really poor stuff from Ayling and capped off a
> really disappointing night for him. Miesler was unlucky with the pen but
> you never expected any luck with Lingard taking it. We then seemed to lose
> all composure and everytime we got the ball we gave away. Llorente made
> some good interceptions but everytime he passed the ball forward it went
> straight to the opposition. They then won a corner and with what was a
> carbon copy of their goal at ER they got the 2nd. Dallas was the culprit at
> ER, this time our international defender Llorente was ball watching and let
> their man sneak in on the back post for an easy header.  We never recovered
> and it was surprising that we went in half-time only 2 down. It was a
> complete collapse after the lively start.
> 2nd half we made some necessary changes. Klich who really hasn't delivered
> over the last few months was taken off with the ineffective Costa. I think
> I've seen enough of Costa as a starting player. He isn't on the same
> wavelength as his team maters and every time he gets the ball he looks weak
> to me and inevitable he will lose the ball or sky one into the stand.
>
> Harrison wasn't much better when he came on but he did try and be positive
> and get forward and with Allioski pushing on we started to look like a
> team. Dallas showed Klich what is required to operate in midfield and
> Raphinha started to look dangerous.
> Llorente then played the pass of the game putting Bamford through with
> only the keeper to beat but he put it wide. Rodrigo came on for the
> ineffective Roberts (playing out of position)  and we pushed forward and
> had West Ham on the ropes. Raph played it in for Bamford and from 6 yards
> he skied into the stand. A really poor miss. That's 3 goals in the last 12
> matches for Bamford and I'd be tempted to give Roberts a go up front. We
> had further chances but you got the feeling that we were never going to
> score.
> I see people saying West Ham won at a canter but I disagree. I think we
> were the brighter side for 60 mins of the game and with some basic
> finishing we would have got a draw out of this game. I really don't think
> they are much better than us.
> Scores:
> Miesler - 7. Unlucky with the pen. Didn't have to do a right lot.
> Ayling - 4. He's had a great season but this game made you realise that
> ultimately if we want to push on he's going to be a squad player at best.
> Dallas - 7. First half at left back he tried to get forward but 

Re: [LU] Hammers

[Nick]

Yeah Klich has been a problem since the new year - if he’s carrying an injury 
then he needs to be allowed to mend, properly. It looks from last night as if 
Dallas can put s shift in there…but also Pablo…that young lad who came on 
recently who’s name I can’t remember.

Bielsa’s game would have worked if we hadn’t collectively left our shooting 
boots at home. Bamford’s were the worst misses (and ones he would have popped 
them in a few weeks ago) but he’s too important to the way the team plays to be 
dropped. Tyler isn’t (yet) fast enough in his head for sustained exposure - he 
might grow into it - but he also blazed two over the bar a week ago. He’s not a 
finisher. Harrison and Raphinha missed decent chances yesterday…I do think 
Tyler was unlucky with that disallowed effort after 3 minutes…how many 
borderline VAR decisions is that now? Costa really isn’t a starting XI player 
at the moment. 

I think Ayling has been good enough this season to be worth a place - he was as 
good as anyone in our opening 15 games or so. He’s been buggered about moving 
around in a makeshift defence.

I like the look of Llorente, once he gets the basic defending bits sorted out - 
it was his man for the second goal. I think him and Koch look like a good bet 
for next season.

The three subs last night pushed us forward and we dominated them. Shame about 
the 25 minutes leading up to half time.

We are safe. We won’t get zero points from the next 10 games. Sheff U and WBA 
will be joined by Newcastle. That said, scoring a couple again would be good.

Nick

> On 9 Mar 2021, at 15:53, Simon McNally via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Not much to add to that.
> I think for the corner goal, you’ve got to be looking at the keeper too. He’s 
> about 8 yards out when he heads it in - surely the keeper has to take 
> responsibility there?
> I did hear that Klich is carrying an injury but he’s looked well off the pace 
> for a long time. I think he needs a break from starting. Perhaps the step up 
> from the champ is too much for him?
> Agree about Costa. I think he looked lively when coming on as a sub a couple 
> of times and deserved a start but I’ve not seen anything to suggest he 
> deserves to stay in the team.
> Agree about West Ham. We were the better side for long periods and should 
> really have taken something from the game.
> There’s a few I think that have reached their maximum level . I did hear talk 
> of 5 signings in the summer?
> 
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> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Walker 
> via Leedslist 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 3:23:20 PM
> To: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org 
> Subject: [LU] Hammers
> 
> Started really brightly and took West Ham by surprise. We looked quick and 
> first to the ball for the first 15 mins and had the ball in the back of the 
> net twice, one of which was the closest of off-sides. Then it all went to 
> shit as Ayling swung his foot at Lingard in the box and gave away a needless 
> free kick. It was really poor stuff from Ayling and capped off a really 
> disappointing night for him. Miesler was unlucky with the pen but you never 
> expected any luck with Lingard taking it. We then seemed to lose all 
> composure and everytime we got the ball we gave away. Llorente made some good 
> interceptions but everytime he passed the ball forward it went straight to 
> the opposition. They then won a corner and with what was a carbon copy of 
> their goal at ER they got the 2nd. Dallas was the culprit at ER, this time 
> our international defender Llorente was ball watching and let their man sneak 
> in on the back post for an easy header.  We never recovered and it was 
> surprising that we went in half-time only 2 down. It was a complete collapse 
> after the lively start.
> 2nd half we made some necessary changes. Klich who really hasn't delivered 
> over the last few months was taken off with the ineffective Costa. I think 
> I've seen enough of Costa as a starting player. He isn't on the same 
> wavelength as his team maters and every time he gets the ball he looks weak 
> to me and inevitable he will lose the ball or sky one into the stand.
> 
> Harrison wasn't much better when he came on but he did try and be positive 
> and get forward and with Allioski pushing on we started to look like a team. 
> Dallas showed Klich what is required to operate in midfield and Raphinha 
> started to look dangerous.
> Llorente then played the pass of the game putting Bamford through with only 
> the keeper to beat but he put it wide. Rodrigo came on for the ineffective 
> Roberts (playing out of position)  and we pushed forward and had West Ham on 
> the ropes. Raph played it in for Bamford and from 6 yards he skied into the 
> stand. A really poor miss. That's 3 goals in the last 12 matches for Bamford 
> and I'd be tempted to give Roberts a go up front. We had further chances but 
> you got the feeling that we were never 

Re: [LU] Hammers

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Not much to add to that.
I think for the corner goal, you’ve got to be looking at the keeper too. He’s 
about 8 yards out when he heads it in - surely the keeper has to take 
responsibility there?
I did hear that Klich is carrying an injury but he’s looked well off the pace 
for a long time. I think he needs a break from starting. Perhaps the step up 
from the champ is too much for him?
Agree about Costa. I think he looked lively when coming on as a sub a couple of 
times and deserved a start but I’ve not seen anything to suggest he deserves to 
stay in the team.
Agree about West Ham. We were the better side for long periods and should 
really have taken something from the game.
There’s a few I think that have reached their maximum level . I did hear talk 
of 5 signings in the summer?

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Walker via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 3:23:20 PM
To: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: [LU] Hammers

Started really brightly and took West Ham by surprise. We looked quick and 
first to the ball for the first 15 mins and had the ball in the back of the net 
twice, one of which was the closest of off-sides. Then it all went to shit as 
Ayling swung his foot at Lingard in the box and gave away a needless free kick. 
It was really poor stuff from Ayling and capped off a really disappointing 
night for him. Miesler was unlucky with the pen but you never expected any luck 
with Lingard taking it. We then seemed to lose all composure and everytime we 
got the ball we gave away. Llorente made some good interceptions but everytime 
he passed the ball forward it went straight to the opposition. They then won a 
corner and with what was a carbon copy of their goal at ER they got the 2nd. 
Dallas was the culprit at ER, this time our international defender Llorente was 
ball watching and let their man sneak in on the back post for an easy header.  
We never recovered and it was surprising that we went in half-time only 2 down. 
It was a complete collapse after the lively start.
2nd half we made some necessary changes. Klich who really hasn't delivered over 
the last few months was taken off with the ineffective Costa. I think I've seen 
enough of Costa as a starting player. He isn't on the same wavelength as his 
team maters and every time he gets the ball he looks weak to me and inevitable 
he will lose the ball or sky one into the stand.

Harrison wasn't much better when he came on but he did try and be positive and 
get forward and with Allioski pushing on we started to look like a team. Dallas 
showed Klich what is required to operate in midfield and Raphinha started to 
look dangerous.
Llorente then played the pass of the game putting Bamford through with only the 
keeper to beat but he put it wide. Rodrigo came on for the ineffective Roberts 
(playing out of position)  and we pushed forward and had West Ham on the ropes. 
Raph played it in for Bamford and from 6 yards he skied into the stand. A 
really poor miss. That's 3 goals in the last 12 matches for Bamford and I'd be 
tempted to give Roberts a go up front. We had further chances but you got the 
feeling that we were never going to score.
I see people saying West Ham won at a canter but I disagree. I think we were 
the brighter side for 60 mins of the game and with some basic finishing we 
would have got a draw out of this game. I really don't think they are much 
better than us.
Scores:
Miesler - 7. Unlucky with the pen. Didn't have to do a right lot.
Ayling - 4. He's had a great season but this game made you realise that 
ultimately if we want to push on he's going to be a squad player at best.
Dallas - 7. First half at left back he tried to get forward but didn't really 
figure but 2nd half in Klich's position he made us realise what we are missing.
Llorente - 5. Is he a midfielder playing as central defender  ?I;m not 
convinced by his defensive abilities. His passing was off most of the game but 
he showed he does have an eye for a pass with the ball to Bamford. I laughed 
when someone on WhatsApp said 'I preferred Llorente when he was injured'
Cooper - 7. Definitely our best defender on the night. I do worry when he sees 
so much of the ball and we are relying on him for that cross field ball which 
he's actually not bad but it asks a lot of the winger when he does find them.
Klich - 3. What has happened to him ? Has he finally found his level ? Is he 
fit ? Not sure but he's certainly struggling at the mo. I wouldn't be starting 
with him v Chelsea.
Costa - 3. Saw a lot of the ball in the first 15 mins but didn't do a lot with 
it. Even his 'cross' for Robert's goal looked like he mishit it. Time is 
running out for the lad.
Raphinha - 7. Not his best game but was always positive and always lively. He 
also created the best chance of the game by putting it on a plate for Bamford.
Bamford - 4. His general play was ok, he was lively and 

Re: [LU] Hammers

[Richard Naef]

inspire confidence.I was very happy with Becchio. Just look at the goal,
he worked very hard to regain possession, played a simple ball to the
wing and then put in the rebound. The goal was not difficult but it was
brave,  there was a high boot very close to his face.Win, lose or draw

Just seen it again on TV, the boot was inches away from his head, if it had
connected matey would have been sent off and Becchio would have been
lobomtomised 

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Re: [LU] Hammers

[Mark Humphries]

We can beat them - but I think it has 0-0 written all over it.

Unless they get ANOTHER penalty, they have had loads this season it feels
like.

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Unlike all else.. sudden feeling of another disappointment on the  way.

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Re: [LU] Hammers

[Neil Hackett]

I watched it on TV and was very satisfied. The team worked extremely hard. 
Snodgrass covered an a wful lot of ground, I lost count of how often he came 
back to give vital cover. I thought everyone played well, except for O'Dea. I 
would not say O'dea played poorly but he does not inspire confidence.I was very 
happy with Becchio. Just look at the goal, he worked very hard to regain 
possession, played a simple ball to the wing and then put in the rebound. The 
goal was not difficult but it was brave,  there was a high boot very close to 
his face.Win, lose or draw this is a team I am happy to cheer for. Hard working 
and organized, lots of enthusiasm, everyone doing their job. Get well, Muamba.
  Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 21:22:01 +
 From: david.nat...@btinternet.com
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: [LU] Hammers
 
 Pre match I would have been happy with a deserved point . Post match we got a 
 point and we deserved it, so am I happy? No, not at all ! My main feeling is 
 one of disappointment and a touch of deja vu!
 It was not a great game by any stretch but it was enthralling contest and was 
 a hard fought battle.
 There were few real clear cut chances, 
 We matched one of the best teams in the Division and every single player gave 
 their all in a very committed performance , so why am I not happy ? Well in a 
 game that had 0-0 written all over it from early on, we managed to take the 
 lead with a few minutes to go, when Becchio did what Becchio does, a header 
 from a yard out into an empty net, being the first to re-act as the ball came 
 back off the bar. All we had to do then, is to do what we had done so well 
 for the previous 88 mins or whatever - defend properly and keep them out. 
 Instead , we turned back into the team of McAllister and late Grayson and let 
 them equalise from a straight forward corner into the box ! To be fair one of 
 out players was on the floor at the time - a push maybe ?-and my mates and 
 fans around me were happier than I am, but it just seemed as if our old 
 faults had come back.
 Alcohol has wiped indiviual bits of action from my mind but I do remember 
 Lonnergan tipping one over the bar and Green pulling off a great save at the 
 other end (my mate said it was a good height for the keeper) as chances were 
 at a real premium. The bit of action I remember most involved new boy 
 Robinson He went flying into a tackle and, I thought, won the ball fair and 
 square - the ref disagreed and gave a foul and booked him.Within the space of 
 a minute he made 2 bone crunching tackles  to break up a move of theirs - top 
 quality commitment and great defending/
 
 So all in all , a bit of a disappointment result wise and a dent in our slim 
 play off chances  but a day when a full house were teated to a totally 
 committed and hard working performance - roll on Tuesday v Forest and lets 
 hope the returning thousands saw enough to persuade them to come back for 
 that one. 
 Da ve
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