Re: [LegacyUG] Event Clipboard Issue

[Larry]

That's the one I used. I just meant in the lower right of the screen. Sorry I 
should have been clearer. The issue has been resolved thanks to everyone on the 
LUG!

Robert Runion sarge1...@cox.net wrote:

I believe you have to click on the left icon to put the data on the clipboard 
- the right icon pastes the data to another location.

On Mar 11, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Larry Lee wrote:

 Anybody else have this issue in Version: 7.5.0.166?

 When editing an Event,  clicking the Icon (bottom right) to copy to
 the clipboard does nothing.

 Larry  Lee
 There are no problems! Only challenges.



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RE: [LegacyUG] Printing

[Michele Lewis]

And a fine job they do!  I have had two charts printed and I am very happy with 
both.

Michele


-Original Message-
From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Printing

Legacy doesn't print the charts up. They're printed by Generation Maps in 
Pleasant Grove, UT.

You can contact them at i...@generationmaps.com or by calling 801-836-6748.


Sincerely,
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Legacy Family Tree





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Re: [LegacyUG] Centennia - is there anything similar for the UK

[Scott Hall]

There is GenMap UK (http://www.archersoftware.co.uk/genmap01.htm), but I
know little of it -- I think it may be more of a way to map your data than
to provide you with boundary changes over time.

Scott

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:55 AM, Olwyn Bourne dobou...@hotmail.com wrote:

  I'm nervous about asking a question which has possibly been asked a
 million times before but .Is there a UK equivalent to AniMap
 and Centennia?
 Regards

 Olwyn


 --
 From: jbro...@gmail.com
 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:02:50 -0400
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Centennia
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

 Scott -

 I am a happy user of both AniMap and Centennia. The short answers to your
 questions are: Is Centennia as detailed as Animap - no. Is it worth its
 price - yes.

 First, I wish AniMap went to the township level, not just county
 (township being smaller political jurisdictions). In many counties of my
 ancestors the township changes were as significant for record finding as
 counties. You will find a similar problem in Centennia. Note that Centennia
 says it is based upon actual control of land, not political boundaries.
 Centennia has a free period of time download that you should check out
 before buying to see if the detail suits your need.

 I have found the mist value (to me) of Centennia to be able to see and
 understand the trials and tribulations of the populace at the various
 times and places of my immigrant ancestors homeland. That provides
 important insights into the why they emigrated question. Worth the price
 to me.

 John

 On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Scott Hall seh0...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anyone have an opinion on Centennia, the mapping software for Europe?

 I currently have AniMap and find it very useful for figuring out the
 history of county borders in the U.S.  Is Centennia as detailed?

 Here's my situation --
 I want to record place names in accordance with the common standard, that
 is, at the time the event occurred.  I have an entire family who came from
 Saint Wendel, which is in the Saarland of Germany.  Tracking the history of
 this region is not easy, as it has been, at various times in the last 200
 years, part of Lichtenstein, Prussia, Bavaria, the German Empire, Germany,
 an independent state, and a protectorate of the United Nations.

 If Centennia does nothing more than show me the change in borders of
 Germany, that's probably not enough detail for me.  I'd like to see the
 evolution of the Rheinland-Pflaz, and even, if possible Sankt Wendel Kreis,
 the district that Sankt Wendel sits in.

 So, particularly for users of AniMap, is Centennia worth its price?

 Thanks,
 Scott






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Re: [LegacyUG] UTF-8 Polish, Slovak, Ukranian, non-English characters

[John Magyari]

After reading Michele's comment about Polish Characters I tried the
following:

In Legacy I tried to use Ukrainian, Polish and Slovak letters and I
could figure out how to enter them.

I exported a UTF-8 Gedcom 5.5.1 file with 4 people in Legacy an English
person whose father was Ukrainian whose father was Polish whose father
was Slovak used all english characters for names..

I then edited created Gedcom file with notepad and added Cyrillic,
Polish and Slovak characters to the appropriate person's name.

I then imported into Genbox, FTM2012 both imported gedcom no errors and
were able to create charts with all characters.

I then imported into Legacy did not see any error messages,  non-English
characters were not displayed correctly.

Names stored in fdb tables IR, MR, NR and NX appeared as they do in
Legacy but not like they do in the Gedcom,

Legacy export mentions UTF-8 and Ansel which both should support Polish,
Slovak and Ukrainian (Cyrillic) characters.

Here's the gedcom

0 HEAD
1 SOUR Legacy
2 VERS 7.5
2 NAME Legacy (R)
2 CORP Millennia Corp.
3 ADDR PO Box 9410
4 CONT Surprise, AZ 85374
1 DEST Gedcom5.5.1
1 DATE 12 Mar 2012
1 SUBM @S0@
1 FILE R:\Program Files\Legacy\Data\UTF8.ged
1 GEDC
2 VERS 5.5.1
2 FORM LINEAGE-LINKED
1 CHAR UTF-8
0 @S0@ SUBM
1 NAME John Magyari
0 @I1@ INDI
1 NAME English /E2/
2 GIVN English
2 SURN E2
1 SEX M
1 _UID D2E6041F943745EFA4B75A476B01DDE302B7
1 CHAN
2 DATE 12 Mar 2012
3 TIME 05:03
1 FAMC @F3@
0 @I2@ INDI
1 NAME Ukrainian /U2лджє/
2 GIVN Ukrainian
2 SURN U2лджє
1 SEX M
1 _UID E4BF8AAB39B34493BAC6D52004B69B056A21
1 CHAN
2 DATE 12 Mar 2012
3 TIME 05:03
1 FAMS @F3@
1 FAMC @F1@
0 @I3@ INDI
1 NAME Polish /P2żśłą/
2 GIVN Polish
2 SURN P2żśłą
1 SEX M
1 _UID 69BD6EF9F49C4624BCE63281EAA9DF4896F4
1 CHAN
2 DATE 12 Mar 2012
3 TIME 05:03
1 FAMS @F1@
1 FAMC @F2@
0 @I4@ INDI
1 NAME Slovak /S2ôúäň/
2 GIVN Slovak
2 SURN S2ôúäň
1 SEX M
1 _UID CF781FD94CA144F6B6496BDE23C5458C67F0
1 CHAN
2 DATE 12 Mar 2012
3 TIME 05:03
1 FAMS @F2@
0 @F1@ FAM
1 HUSB @I3@
1 MARR
1 CHIL @I2@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 12 Mar 2012
3 TIME 05:03
0 @F2@ FAM
1 HUSB @I4@
1 MARR
1 CHIL @I3@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 12 Mar 2012
3 TIME 05:03
0 @F3@ FAM
1 HUSB @I2@
1 MARR
1 CHIL @I1@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 12 Mar 2012
3 TIME 05:03
0 TRLR





On 3/11/2012 5:19 AM, Michele Lewis wrote:

 Speaking of Polish locations…  Be aware that Legacy does not include
 the needed alphabet set to be able to write the Polish characters.

 Michele

 *From:*John Magyari [mailto:jmagy...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:08 AM
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields
 vs 4 Fields

 Thanks for everyone's ideas.
 Some of my Polish time periods use 4 some 5 positions

 I decided to force all 5 location positions into 4.  Having same
 number of fields helps with sorting.

 Ideally if would be nice to specify Number of locations field MAX.Â
 Then if entered with less fields specify which fields to become null.
 ie. MaxPositions = 5,  LessPositionOrder if less 2,3if less than MAX
 ie For Me for Poland
 city, administration, county, state, country (1,2,3,4,5)
 If less fields entered enter Nulls
 city, county, state, country (Null 1 field - admin)
 city, state, country (Null other 2 fields -admin, county)
 city, state (Null other 3 fields)
 state (Null other 4 fields)


 I will use 4 fields, and in the process converted all locations with
 fewer positions to 4 position system.

 john







 On 3/11/2012 4:04 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote:

 John,

 Â

 By all means use the American four field standard for American
 locations, but for other countries use their own formats, normally the
 way in which they are written.

 Â

 Ron Ferguson

 http://www.fergys.co.uk/

 Â

 Â

 *From:*John Magyari mailto:jmagy...@gmail.com

 *Sent:*Thursday, March 08, 2012 7:35 PM

 *To:*LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

 *Subject:*[LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4
 Fields

 Â

 Typically for US locations i have 4 FIELDS
 City, County, State, Country

 How do others handle European Countries?

 For example I have a village in Poland Area

 1900's part of Austria Hungary

 Village, District, Province, Country 4 FIELDS
 Lipowiec, Sanok District, Galicia Province, Austria-Hungary

 Same place in 1940's 4 FIELDS
 Lipowiec, Sanok District, Krosno Voivodeship, Poland

 Almost all places in Current Day Poland 1950's through today *5 FIELDS
 City, Gmina, County, Voivodeship, COUNTRY
 Lipowiec, Dukla Gmina, Krosno County
 wlmailhtml://wiki/Krosno_County, Subcarpathian Voivodeship
 wlmailhtml://wiki/Subcarpathian_Voivodeship, Poland

 and since 2012 *5 Fields
 Lipowiec, Jasliska Gmina, Krosno County
 wlmailhtml://wiki/Krosno_County, Subcarpathian Voivodeship
 wlmailhtml://wiki/Subcarpathian_Voivodeship, Poland

 When some locations ideally be 5 FIELDS, do you go back and update
 those with 4 Fields?

 With some 

RE: [LegacyUG] UTF-8 Polish, Slovak, Ukranian, non-English characters

[Michele Lewis]

Good grief!  I am nowhere near computer savvy enough to do all of that!  I 
think I will just wait until Legacy adds the alphabet set!



michele



From: John Magyari [mailto:jmagy...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 8:55 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] UTF-8 Polish, Slovak, Ukranian, non-English characters



After reading Michele's comment about Polish Characters I tried the following:

In Legacy I tried to use Ukrainian, Polish and Slovak letters and I could 
figure out how to enter them.

I exported a UTF-8 Gedcom 5.5.1 file with 4 people in Legacy an English person 
whose father was Ukrainian whose father was Polish whose father was Slovak used 
all english characters for names..

I then edited created Gedcom file with notepad and added Cyrillic, Polish and 
Slovak characters to the appropriate person's name.

I then imported into Genbox, FTM2012 both imported gedcom no errors and were 
able to create charts with all characters.

I then imported into Legacy did not see any error messages,  non-English 
characters were not displayed correctly.

Names stored in fdb tables IR, MR, NR and NX appeared as they do in Legacy but 
not like they do in the Gedcom,

Legacy export mentions UTF-8 and Ansel which both should support Polish, Slovak 
and Ukrainian (Cyrillic) characters.

Here's the gedcom

0 HEAD
1 SOUR Legacy
2 VERS 7.5
2 NAME Legacy (R)
2 CORP Millennia Corp.
3 ADDR PO Box 9410
4 CONT Surprise, AZ 85374
1 DEST Gedcom5.5.1
1 DATE 12 Mar 2012
1 SUBM @S0@
1 FILE R:\Program Files\Legacy\Data\UTF8.ged
1 GEDC
2 VERS 5.5.1
2 FORM LINEAGE-LINKED
1 CHAR UTF-8
0 @S0@ SUBM
1 NAME John Magyari
0 @I1@ INDI
1 NAME English /E2/
2 GIVN English
2 SURN E2
1 SEX M
1 _UID D2E6041F943745EFA4B75A476B01DDE302B7
1 CHAN
2 DATE 12 Mar 2012
3 TIME 05:03
1 FAMC @F3@
0 @I2@ INDI
1 NAME Ukrainian /U2лджє/
2 GIVN Ukrainian
2 SURN U2лджє
1 SEX M
1 _UID E4BF8AAB39B34493BAC6D52004B69B056A21
1 CHAN
2 DATE 12 Mar 2012
3 TIME 05:03
1 FAMS @F3@
1 FAMC @F1@
0 @I3@ INDI
1 NAME Polish /P2żśłą/
2 GIVN Polish
2 SURN P2żśłą
1 SEX M
1 _UID 69BD6EF9F49C4624BCE63281EAA9DF4896F4
1 CHAN
2 DATE 12 Mar 2012
3 TIME 05:03
1 FAMS @F1@
1 FAMC @F2@
0 @I4@ INDI
1 NAME Slovak /S2ôúäň/
2 GIVN Slovak
2 SURN S2ôúäň
1 SEX M
1 _UID CF781FD94CA144F6B6496BDE23C5458C67F0
1 CHAN
2 DATE 12 Mar 2012
3 TIME 05:03
1 FAMS @F2@
0 @F1@ FAM
1 HUSB @I3@
1 MARR
1 CHIL @I2@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 12 Mar 2012
3 TIME 05:03
0 @F2@ FAM
1 HUSB @I4@
1 MARR
1 CHIL @I3@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 12 Mar 2012
3 TIME 05:03
0 @F3@ FAM
1 HUSB @I2@
1 MARR
1 CHIL @I1@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 12 Mar 2012
3 TIME 05:03
0 TRLR





On 3/11/2012 5:19 AM, Michele Lewis wrote:

Speaking of Polish locations…  Be aware that Legacy does not include the 
needed alphabet set to be able to write the Polish characters.

Â

Michele

Â

From: John Magyari [mailto:jmagy...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:08 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 Fields

Â

Thanks for everyone's ideas.
Some of my Polish time periods use 4 some 5 positions

I decided to force all 5 location positions into 4.  Having same number of 
fields helps with sorting.

Ideally if would be nice to specify Number of locations field MAX.  Then if 
entered with less fields specify which fields to become null.
ie. MaxPositions = 5,  LessPositionOrder if less 2,3if less than MAX
ie For Me for Poland
city, administration, county, state, country (1,2,3,4,5)
If less fields entered enter Nulls
city, county, state, country (Null 1 field - admin)
city, state, country (Null other 2 fields -admin, county)
city, state (Null other 3 fields)
state (Null other 4 fields)


I will use 4 fields, and in the process converted all locations with fewer 
positions to 4 position system.

john







On 3/11/2012 4:04 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote:

John,

ÂÂ

By all means use the American four field standard for American locations, but 
for other countries use their own formats, normally the way in which they are 
written.

ÂÂ

Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/

ÂÂ

ÂÂ

From: John Magyari mailto:jmagy...@gmail.com

Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 7:35 PM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 Fields

ÂÂ

Typically for US locations i have 4 FIELDS
City, County, State, Country

How do others handle European Countries?

For example I have a village in Poland Area

1900's part of Austria Hungary

Village, District, Province, Country 4 FIELDS
Lipowiec, Sanok District, Galicia Province, Austria-Hungary

Same place in 1940's 4 FIELDS
Lipowiec, Sanok District, Krosno Voivodeship, Poland

Almost all places in Current Day Poland 1950's through today *5 FIELDS
City, Gmina, County, Voivodeship, COUNTRY
Lipowiec, Dukla Gmina, Krosno County wlmailhtml://wiki/Krosno_County , 
Subcarpathian Voivodeship wlmailhtml://wiki/Subcarpathian_Voivodeship , Poland

and since 

Re: [LegacyUG] Centennia

[John Roose]

Scott -

It goes to national (physically controlled) boundaries is my sense -
haven't done a thorough check.

But, as an example, in 1750 the area which is Germany in 2012 - all the
states, city states, electorates, etc are shown because that was the
reality at the time - there was no Germany. Also in 1750 in France - it
shows the areas of Lorraine were in Franceand also shows the smaller areas
within Lorraine (Salm, Saarwerden, Saar)  that were part of Nassau.
However, there were no other boundaries within France shown.

Hope that helps. Play with the free period to explore it further.

John

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Scott Hall seh0...@gmail.com wrote:

 John:

 Thanks for your opinion.  I'll try the free version and see what I think.

 To clarify, is what you are saying that Centennia only shows country
 (national) boundaries, or does it go to the next level down?

 Thanks,
 Scott

 On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Scott Hall seh0...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anyone have an opinion on Centennia, the mapping software for Europe?

 I currently have AniMap and find it very useful for figuring out the
 history of county borders in the U.S.  Is Centennia as detailed?

 Here's my situation --
 I want to record place names in accordance with the common standard, that
 is, at the time the event occurred.  I have an entire family who came from
 Saint Wendel, which is in the Saarland of Germany.  Tracking the history of
 this region is not easy, as it has been, at various times in the last 200
 years, part of Lichtenstein, Prussia, Bavaria, the German Empire, Germany,
 an independent state, and a protectorate of the United Nations.

 If Centennia does nothing more than show me the change in borders of
 Germany, that's probably not enough detail for me.  I'd like to see the
 evolution of the Rheinland-Pflaz, and even, if possible Sankt Wendel Kreis,
 the district that Sankt Wendel sits in.

 So, particularly for users of AniMap, is Centennia worth its price?

 Thanks,
 Scott


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[LegacyUG] Location defaults changed

[Gene Young]

Has anyone else noticed that once again Millenia has decided that they
are smarter than the end users and changed the default behavior of
location entries?  I used to enter a new location for the USA and the
location had USA in it.  Millenia must have decided that I was too
stupid to really know what I want and changed it to United States.  No
warning, no way to change it back to the correct way (the correct way
being what I want, not what Millenia thinks I should want.)  ???

Why do they continuously change my database with out my permission.  If
they are going to change something they should give fair warning and a
means to change the default back to what the USER prefers, not what
Millenia decides the user should use.  And if there is a means to change
the default it should be so noted in the help file.

I am starting to see why there have been so many posts from unhappy
users of late.
--

Gene Young
Researching Young, Harer, Cox  Sallada
With Legacy Family Tree
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Re: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed

[Gene Young]

On 3/12/2012 9:49 AM, James Cook wrote:
 Couldn't say for sure, but under Options in the View -  Master Lists
 -  Locations, there are options to switch between USA and United
 States.  I expect the option was simply defaulted to United States as
 this is the consistency/standard promoted by Family Search and is
 necessary should one wish to use the Legacy Family Search tool.
 Shouldn't be a big deal to switch it back, though I understand the
 frustration of having your data mangled w/o warning.

 - jc

Thank you for the response Jamesm however there is no option to change
this in View -  Master Lists -  Locations.  I believe you are
referring to the selection to expand/contract location names.  This
apparently only acts on existing entries that Legacy has already screwed
up.  I searched everywhere for a location to change the default,
including scouring the help file, before I posted.  That is what really
has me PO'ed.  If you change something that will clearly adversely
affect the end users, update the help file with directions on how to
make it right again.

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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy Locking up after Update

[Alan Pereira]

Just tried the Potential problems and all works fine for me.
Version 7.5.0.166 Windows 7 64 bit

Alan Pereira


-Original Message-
From: James Cook [mailto:jc1...@gmail.com]
Sent: 12 March 2012 14:00
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy Locking up after Update

I updated Legacy yesterday, and I also got access to NFS.  I was going through 
some of the Legacy Family Search videos and cleaning up my data, but 
encountered some lockups.  Can anyone confirm or is it just me?

Run the Tools - Potential Problems.  This will run to 100% complete, but then 
lock up.  Legacy will not respond, but takes between 45 -50% of CPU.
If I stop Legacy and come back in, and choose to look at the existing list (not 
create a new one) it locks up there too.

Also, if I pick the 3D option in the bing maps (Master Location List screen), 
it locks up there.

TIA,

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Re: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed

[James Cook]

Ah, you are right, that's what I was thinking of.  Frustrating for sure!


On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Gene Young n2...@cfl.rr.com wrote:
 I believe you are
 referring to the selection to expand/contract location names.  This
 apparently only acts on existing entries that Legacy has already screwed
 up.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Locking up after Update

[James Cook]

I was afraid that was going to be the answer.

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Alan Pereira alanpere...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
 Just tried the Potential problems and all works fine for me.
 Version 7.5.0.166 Windows 7 64 bit

 Alan Pereira


 -Original Message-
 From: James Cook [mailto:jc1...@gmail.com]
 Sent: 12 March 2012 14:00
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy Locking up after Update

 I updated Legacy yesterday, and I also got access to NFS.  I was going 
 through some of the Legacy Family Search videos and cleaning up my data, but 
 encountered some lockups.  Can anyone confirm or is it just me?

 Run the Tools - Potential Problems.  This will run to 100% complete, but 
 then lock up.  Legacy will not respond, but takes between 45 -50% of CPU.
 If I stop Legacy and come back in, and choose to look at the existing list 
 (not create a new one) it locks up there too.

 Also, if I pick the 3D option in the bing maps (Master Location List screen), 
 it locks up there.

 TIA,

 --
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 http://loosestacks.blogspot.com/



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Re: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed

[Sherry/Support]

It was changed to United States because that's the standard for
submitting data to the newFamilySearch site.  The programmer changed
the way the country is returned when you use the Geo Location
Database.  We need to comply with their standards for not only the LDS
users but anyone who wishes to contribute to that database.

You can always change it back by going to the Master Location List and
clicking on Options  Expand/Contract Location Parts.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree



On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Gene Young n2...@cfl.rr.com wrote:
 Has anyone else noticed that once again Millenia has decided that they
 are smarter than the end users and changed the default behavior of
 location entries?  I used to enter a new location for the USA and the
 location had USA in it.  Millenia must have decided that I was too
 stupid to really know what I want and changed it to United States.  No
 warning, no way to change it back to the correct way (the correct way
 being what I want, not what Millenia thinks I should want.)  ???

 Why do they continuously change my database with out my permission.  If
 they are going to change something they should give fair warning and a
 means to change the default back to what the USER prefers, not what
 Millenia decides the user should use.  And if there is a means to change
 the default it should be so noted in the help file.

 I am starting to see why there have been so many posts from unhappy
 users of late.
 --

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Re: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed

[Tessa]

could you do a global search and replace; I noticed when I was adding
a few this switch I just fixed it on the new entries and made a note
when I add a location that I need to correct.  It would be nice to
have a work around AND if these changes were highlighted before - and
i know you can check what the changes are but highlighting the biggies
would just be thoughtful.

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Sherry/Support
she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:
 It was changed to United States because that's the standard for
 submitting data to the newFamilySearch site.  The programmer changed
 the way the country is returned when you use the Geo Location
 Database.  We need to comply with their standards for not only the LDS
 users but anyone who wishes to contribute to that database.

 You can always change it back by going to the Master Location List and
 clicking on Options  Expand/Contract Location Parts.


 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree



 On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Gene Young n2...@cfl.rr.com wrote:
 Has anyone else noticed that once again Millenia has decided that they
 are smarter than the end users and changed the default behavior of
 location entries?  I used to enter a new location for the USA and the
 location had USA in it.  Millenia must have decided that I was too
 stupid to really know what I want and changed it to United States.  No
 warning, no way to change it back to the correct way (the correct way
 being what I want, not what Millenia thinks I should want.)  ???

 Why do they continuously change my database with out my permission.  If
 they are going to change something they should give fair warning and a
 means to change the default back to what the USER prefers, not what
 Millenia decides the user should use.  And if there is a means to change
 the default it should be so noted in the help file.

 I am starting to see why there have been so many posts from unhappy
 users of late.
 --

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RE: [LegacyUG] UTF-8 Polish, Slovak, Ukranian, non-English characters

[mbstx]

A better question is when/if Legacy will add these sets. Marianne-Original Message-
From: Michele Lewis 
Sent: Mar 12, 2012 8:13 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] UTF-8 Polish, Slovak, Ukranian, non-English characters






Good grief! I am nowhere near computer savvy enough to do all of that! I think I will just wait until Legacy adds the alphabet set!micheleFrom: John Magyari [mailto:jmagy...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 8:55 AMTo: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.comSubject: Re: [LegacyUG] UTF-8 Polish, Slovak, Ukranian, non-English charactersAfter reading Michele's comment about Polish Characters I tried the following:In Legacy I tried to use Ukrainian, Polish and Slovak letters and I could figure out how to enter them.I exported a UTF-8 Gedcom 5.5.1 file with 4 people in Legacy an English person whose father was Ukrainian whose father was Polish whose father was Slovak used all english characters for names..I then edited created Gedcom file with notepad and added Cyrillic, Polish and Slovak characters to the appropriate person's name.I then imported into Genbox, FTM2012 both imported gedcom no errors and were able to create charts with all characters.I then imported into Legacy did not see any error messages, non-English characters were not displayed correctly.Names stored in fdb tables IR, MR, NR and NX appeared as they do in Legacy but not like they do in the Gedcom,Legacy export mentions UTF-8 and Ansel which both should support Polish, Slovak and Ukrainian (Cyrillic) characters.Here's the gedcom0 HEAD1 SOUR Legacy2 VERS 7.52 NAME Legacy (R)2 CORP Millennia Corp.3 ADDR PO Box 94104 CONT Surprise, AZ 853741 DEST Gedcom5.5.11 DATE 12 Mar 20121 SUBM @S0@1 FILE R:\Program Files\Legacy\Data\UTF8.ged1 GEDC2 VERS 5.5.12 FORM LINEAGE-LINKED1 CHAR UTF-80 @S0@ SUBM1 NAME John Magyari0 @I1@ INDI1 NAME English /E2/2 GIVN English2 SURN E21 SEX M1 _UID D2E6041F943745EFA4B75A476B01DDE302B71 CHAN2 DATE 12 Mar 20123 TIME 05:031 FAMC @F3@0 @I2@ INDI1 NAME Ukrainian /U2лджє/2 GIVN Ukrainian2 SURN U2лджє1 SEX M1 _UID E4BF8AAB39B34493BAC6D52004B69B056A211 CHAN2 DATE 12 Mar 20123 TIME 05:031 FAMS @F3@1 FAMC @F1@0 @I3@ INDI1 NAME Polish /P2żśłą/2 GIVN Polish2 SURN P2żśłą1 SEX M1 _UID 69BD6EF9F49C4624BCE63281EAA9DF4896F41 CHAN2 DATE 12 Mar 20123 TIME 05:031 FAMS @F1@1 FAMC @F2@0 @I4@ INDI1 NAME Slovak /S2ôúäň/2 GIVN Slovak2 SURN S2ôúäň1 SEX M1 _UID CF781FD94CA144F6B6496BDE23C5458C67F01 CHAN2 DATE 12 Mar 20123 TIME 05:031 FAMS @F2@0 @F1@ FAM1 HUSB @I3@1 MARR1 CHIL @I2@1 CHAN2 DATE 12 Mar 20123 TIME 05:030 @F2@ FAM1 HUSB @I4@1 MARR1 CHIL @I3@1 CHAN2 DATE 12 Mar 20123 TIME 05:030 @F3@ FAM1 HUSB @I2@1 MARR1 CHIL @I1@1 CHAN2 DATE 12 Mar 20123 TIME 05:030 TRLROn 3/11/2012 5:19 AM, Michele Lewis wrote: Speaking of Polish locations… Be aware that Legacy does not include the needed alphabet set to be able to write the Polish characters.ÂMicheleÂFrom: John Magyari [mailto:jmagy...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:08 AMTo: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.comSubject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 FieldsÂThanks for everyone's ideas.Some of my Polish time periods use 4 some 5 positionsI decided to force all 5 location positions into 4. Having same number of fields helps with sorting.Ideally if would be nice to specify Number of locations field MAX. Then if entered with less fields specify which fields to become null.ie. MaxPositions = 5, LessPositionOrder if less 2,3if less than MAXie For Me for Polandcity, administration, county, state, country (1,2,3,4,5)If less fields entered enter Nullscity, county, state, country (Null 1 field - admin)city, state, country (Null other 2 fields -admin, county)city, state (Null other 3 fields)state (Null other 4 fields)I will use 4 fields, and in the process converted all locations with fewer positions to 4 position system.johnOn 3/11/2012 4:04 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote: John,ÂÂBy all means use the American four field standard for American locations, but for other countries use their own formats, normally the way in which they are written.ÂÂRon Fergusonhttp://www.fergys.co.uk/ÂÂÂÂFrom: John Magyari Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 7:35 PMTo: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 FieldsÂÂTypically for US locations i have 4 FIELDSCity, County, State, CountryHow do others handle European Countries?For example I have a village in Poland Area1900's part of Austria HungaryVillage, District, Province, Country 4 FIELDSLipowiec, Sanok District, Galicia Province, Austria-HungarySame place in 1940's 4 FIELDSLipowiec, Sanok District, Krosno Voivodeship, PolandAlmost all places in Current Day Poland 1950's through today *5 FIELDSCity, Gmina, County, Voivodeship, COUNTRYLipowiec, Dukla Gmina, Krosno 

Re: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed

[Tessa]

Thanks Randy - I will now go and read what is changed before I update.

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Randy Clark ceddaco...@gmail.com wrote:
 There was a headsup on the Feb 15 revisions noted
 at http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/RevisionHistory7.asp


 On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Tessa murke...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree - I was only trying to provide a workaround. Legacy does need
 to remember that many of us are not going to put information on public
 trees. And as I said I would rather get a heads up from Legacy about
 this type of change than figure it out on my own when I find
 inconsistencies in my database not caused by me.

 On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Gene Young n2...@cfl.rr.com wrote:
  On 3/12/2012 11:49 AM, Tessa wrote:
  could you do a global search and replace; I noticed when I was adding
  a few this switch I just fixed it on the new entries and made a note
  when I add a location that I need to correct.  It would be nice to
  have a work around AND if these changes were highlighted before - and
  i know you can check what the changes are but highlighting the biggies
  would just be thoughtful.
 
  On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Sherry/Support
  she...@legacyfamilytree.com  wrote:
  It was changed to United States because that's the standard for
  submitting data to the newFamilySearch site. Â The programmer changed
  the way the country is returned when you use the Geo Location
  Database. Â We need to comply with their standards for not only the
  LDS
  users but anyone who wishes to contribute to that database.
 
  You can always change it back by going to the Master Location List and
  clicking on Options  Expand/Contract Location Parts.
 
 
  Sincerely,
  Sherry
  Technical Support
  Legacy Family Tree
 
   Yes, I could do either or both of those things.  The point is I should
  not be forced to do either of them to maintain continuity within MY
  database.  It should be an OPTIONAL choice, not a forced choice.  I have
  no intention of submitting my data to newFamilySearch so I should not be
  forced to use their standard.
 
  --
 
  Gene Young
  Researching Young, Harer, Cox  Sallada
  With Legacy Family Tree
  http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm
 
 
 
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RE: [LegacyUG] UTF-8 Polish, Slovak, Ukranian, non-English characters

[CE WOOD]

We not live so long.  They have told us they would have to totally rewrite the 
whole program, which isn't going to happen in my lifetime, at least.
CE
From: msz...@mindspring.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] UTF-8 Polish, Slovak, Ukranian, non-English characters
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 11:19:31 -0500



A better question is when/if Legacy will add these sets.  Marianne

-Original Message-

From: Michele Lewis

Sent: Mar 12, 2012 8:13 AM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] UTF-8 Polish, Slovak, Ukranian, non-English characters



Good grief!  I am nowhere near computer savvy enough to do all of that!  I 
think I will just wait until Legacy adds the alphabet set! michele From: John 
Magyari [mailto:jmagy...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 8:55 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] UTF-8 Polish, Slovak, Ukranian, non-English characters 
After reading Michele's comment about Polish Characters I tried the following:

In Legacy I tried to use Ukrainian, Polish and Slovak letters and I could 
figure out how to enter them.

I exported a UTF-8 Gedcom 5.5.1 file with 4 people in Legacy an English person 
whose father was Ukrainian whose father was Polish whose father was Slovak used 
all english characters for names..

I then edited created Gedcom file with notepad and added Cyrillic, Polish and 
Slovak characters to the appropriate person's name.

I then imported into Genbox, FTM2012 both imported gedcom no errors and were 
able to create charts with all characters.

I then imported into Legacy did not see any error messages,  non-English 
characters were not displayed correctly.

Names stored in fdb tables IR, MR, NR and NX appeared as they do in Legacy but 
not like they do in the Gedcom,

Legacy export mentions UTF-8 and Ansel which both should support Polish, Slovak 
and Ukrainian (Cyrillic) characters.

Here's the gedcom

0 HEAD
1 SOUR Legacy
2 VERS 7.5
2 NAME Legacy (R)
2 CORP Millennia Corp.
3 ADDR PO Box 9410
4 CONT Surprise, AZ 85374
1 DEST Gedcom5.5.1
1 DATE 12 Mar 2012
1 SUBM @S0@
1 FILE R:\Program Files\Legacy\Data\UTF8.ged
1 GEDC
2 VERS 5.5.1
2 FORM LINEAGE-LINKED
1 CHAR UTF-8
0 @S0@ SUBM
1 NAME John Magyari
0 @I1@ INDI
1 NAME English /E2/
2 GIVN English
2 SURN E2
1 SEX M
1 _UID D2E6041F943745EFA4B75A476B01DDE302B7
1 CHAN
2 DATE 12 Mar 2012
3 TIME 05:03
1 FAMC @F3@
0 @I2@ INDI
1 NAME Ukrainian /U2лджє/
2 GIVN Ukrainian
2 SURN U2лджє
1 SEX M
1 _UID E4BF8AAB39B34493BAC6D52004B69B056A21
1 CHAN
2 DATE 12 Mar 2012
3 TIME 05:03
1 FAMS @F3@
1 FAMC @F1@
0 @I3@ INDI
1 NAME Polish /P2żśłą/
2 GIVN Polish
2 SURN P2żśłą
1 SEX M
1 _UID 69BD6EF9F49C4624BCE63281EAA9DF4896F4
1 CHAN
2 DATE 12 Mar 2012
3 TIME 05:03
1 FAMS @F1@
1 FAMC @F2@
0 @I4@ INDI
1 NAME Slovak /S2ôúäň/
2 GIVN Slovak
2 SURN S2ôúäň
1 SEX M
1 _UID CF781FD94CA144F6B6496BDE23C5458C67F0
1 CHAN
2 DATE 12 Mar 2012
3 TIME 05:03
1 FAMS @F2@
0 @F1@ FAM
1 HUSB @I3@
1 MARR
1 CHIL @I2@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 12 Mar 2012
3 TIME 05:03
0 @F2@ FAM
1 HUSB @I4@
1 MARR
1 CHIL @I3@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 12 Mar 2012
3 TIME 05:03
0 @F3@ FAM
1 HUSB @I2@
1 MARR
1 CHIL @I1@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 12 Mar 2012
3 TIME 05:03
0 TRLR





On 3/11/2012 5:19 AM, Michele Lewis wrote: Speaking of Polish locations…  Be 
aware that Legacy does not include the needed alphabet set to be able to write 
the Polish characters. Michele From: John Magyari [mailto:jmagy...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:08 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 
Fields Thanks for everyone's ideas.
Some of my Polish time periods use 4 some 5 positions

I decided to force all 5 location positions into 4.  Having same number of 
fields helps with sorting.

Ideally if would be nice to specify Number of locations field MAX.  Then if 
entered with less fields specify which fields to become null.
ie. MaxPositions = 5,  LessPositionOrder if less 2,3if less than MAX
ie For Me for Poland
city, administration, county, state, country (1,2,3,4,5)
If less fields entered enter Nulls
city, county, state, country (Null 1 field - admin)
city, state, country (Null other 2 fields -admin, county)
city, state (Null other 3 fields)
state (Null other 4 fields)


I will use 4 fields, and in the process converted all locations with fewer 
positions to 4 position system.

john







On 3/11/2012 4:04 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote: John, By all means use the 
American four field standard for American locations, but for other countries 
use their own formats, normally the way in which they are written. Ron 
Fergusonhttp://www.fergys.co.uk/  From: John Magyari Sent: Thursday, 
March 08, 2012 7:35 PMTo: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] 
How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 Fields Typically for US 
locations i have 4 FIELDS
City, County, State, Country

How do others handle European Countries?

For 

Re: [LegacyUG] 1940

[Tim Rosenlof]

Jackie,

Good information, Thank you !

Tim

On 3/11/2012 10:33 AM, Jackie King wrote:
 Tim -

 The National Archives this time around is digitizing the images and
 making them available to anyone who wants them, as I understand it.
 (Someone correct me, but the last time around, didn't the companies have
 to digitize the images themselves and that created a huge delay as I
 remember it.)

 So it is not impossible for a number of companies to do their own
 indexes - however with the three companies jointly efforting the
 digitizing and the hosting of a rather large collection, and then making
 it available free (with no time limit on how long it is available), I
 really wonder how many companies are going to want to effort it.  (Add
 in that the joint effort is also being backed by a number of prominent
 genealogical societies.)

 What I believe really is also new this time around are efforts such as
 Legacy to make the indexes even easier to use.  Thanks to the tool it
 has released, I am finding families in other censuses that I really need
 to be looking up.

 Jackie

 On 3/11/2012 11:25 AM, Tim Rosenlof wrote:
 I wonder how they are going to distribute them ? National Archives going
 to offer the images to the largest companies for indexing ? And I would
 suppose the microfilms will be delivered soon afterward ? The images
 being made available to all so we can find our ancestors by their ED ?
 Etc 

 I have no clue. Fill me in,

 Tim Rosenlof

 On 3/11/2012 9:24 AM, Maureen Lake wrote:
 Archives.com and Find My Past have teamed together with FamilySearch to 
 index the 1940 census and to keep it free in perpetuity.  FamilySearch has 
 pledged their indexers to have the entire census, all 132+ million people, 
 in six months.  They expect to have the first images available to index by 
 noon on April 2nd, and the first state posted within a week.

 Maureen

 Sent from my iPad

 On Mar 11, 2012, at 8:00 AM, Ron Fergusonronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
 wrote:

 Michele,

 I do not think so, I understand the findmypast.com are also indexing this
 census.

 Ron Ferguson
 http://www.fergys.co.uk/

 -Original Message-
 From: Michele Lewis
 Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 12:06 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] 1940

 I know FamilySearch will be indexing the 1940 census (I am an indexer) but
 Ancestry.com will also be indexing.  Is this a joint venture between the 
 two
 or will there be 2 separate indexes?  I figure this isn't too far off topic
 because of the census tools in Legacy :) :) :)

 Michele




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Re: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed

[Larry McCumber]

Has Legacy Family Tree been sold to LDS?  I didn't buy Legacy to be
compliant with LDS Family Search standards.  Don't change my database.
Just give me the option and I will decide how I want my data.

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Sherry/Support 
she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:

 It was changed to United States because that's the standard for
 submitting data to the newFamilySearch site.  The programmer changed
 the way the country is returned when you use the Geo Location
 Database.  We need to comply with their standards for not only the LDS
 users but anyone who wishes to contribute to that database.

 You can always change it back by going to the Master Location List and
 clicking on Options  Expand/Contract Location Parts.


 Sincerely,
 Sherry
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 On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Gene Young n2...@cfl.rr.com wrote:
  Has anyone else noticed that once again Millenia has decided that they
  are smarter than the end users and changed the default behavior of
  location entries?  I used to enter a new location for the USA and the
  location had USA in it.  Millenia must have decided that I was too
  stupid to really know what I want and changed it to United States.  No
  warning, no way to change it back to the correct way (the correct way
  being what I want, not what Millenia thinks I should want.)  ???
 
  Why do they continuously change my database with out my permission.  If
  they are going to change something they should give fair warning and a
  means to change the default back to what the USER prefers, not what
  Millenia decides the user should use.  And if there is a means to change
  the default it should be so noted in the help file.
 
  I am starting to see why there have been so many posts from unhappy
  users of late.
  --
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed

[Mike Fry]

On 2012/03/12 19:49, Larry McCumber wrote:

 Has Legacy Family Tree been sold to LDS?  I didn't buy Legacy to be compliant
 with LDS Family Search standards.  Don't change my database.  Just give me the
 option and I will decide how I want my data.

Quit moaning! It won't do any good! 5 minutes to run through the Master
Locations List and change them all (and all usages) to what you want.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
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Re: [LegacyUG] Centennia - is there anything similar for the UK

[Ron Ferguson]

Scott,

It is designed for the mapping of data, and not boundary changes.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


From: Scott Hall
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 12:46 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Centennia - is there anything similar for the UK

There is GenMap UK (http://www.archersoftware.co.uk/genmap01.htm), but I know 
little of it -- I think it may be more of a way to map your data than to 
provide you with boundary changes over time.

Scott


On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:55 AM, Olwyn Bourne dobou...@hotmail.com wrote:

  I'm nervous about asking a question which has possibly been asked a million 
times before but .Is there a UK equivalent to AniMap and Centennia?
  Regards

  Olwyn




--
  From: jbro...@gmail.com
  Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:02:50 -0400
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Centennia
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

  Scott -

  I am a happy user of both AniMap and Centennia. The short answers to your 
questions are: Is Centennia as detailed as Animap - no. Is it worth its price - 
yes.

  First, I wish AniMap went to the township level, not just county (township 
being smaller political jurisdictions). In many counties of my ancestors the 
township changes were as significant for record finding as counties. You will 
find a similar problem in Centennia. Note that Centennia says it is based upon 
actual control of land, not political boundaries. Centennia has a free period 
of time download that you should check out before buying to see if the detail 
suits your need.

  I have found the mist value (to me) of Centennia to be able to see and 
understand the trials and tribulations of the populace at the various times 
and places of my immigrant ancestors homeland. That provides important insights 
into the why they emigrated question. Worth the price to me.

  John


  On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Scott Hall seh0...@gmail.com wrote:

Anyone have an opinion on Centennia, the mapping software for Europe?

I currently have AniMap and find it very useful for figuring out the 
history of county borders in the U.S.  Is Centennia as detailed?

Here's my situation --
I want to record place names in accordance with the common standard, that 
is, at the time the event occurred.  I have an entire family who came from 
Saint Wendel, which is in the Saarland of Germany.  Tracking the history of 
this region is not easy, as it has been, at various times in the last 200 
years, part of Lichtenstein, Prussia, Bavaria, the German Empire, Germany, an 
independent state, and a protectorate of the United Nations.

If Centennia does nothing more than show me the change in borders of 
Germany, that's probably not enough detail for me.  I'd like to see the 
evolution of the Rheinland-Pflaz, and even, if possible Sankt Wendel Kreis, the 
district that Sankt Wendel sits in.

So, particularly for users of AniMap, is Centennia worth its price?

Thanks,
Scott




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Re: [LegacyUG] UTF-8 Polish, Slovak, Ukranian, non-English characters

[Bob]

On 2012-03-12 12:34, CE WOOD wrote:
 We not live so long.  They have told us they would have to totally
 rewrite the whole program, which isn't going to happen in my lifetime,
 at least.

 CE

I'll not only agree with that, but I'll go even further.  I no longer
expect that Legacy will ever be rewritten.  The perfect time to have
done that would have been before either Legacy 6 or Legacy 7 were
released.  Both of those have been so buggy that it is obvious that the
code base has become so haphazard that they can no longer maintain it
even for relatively simple changes.  For every bug fixed they seem to
create at least one additional totally unrelated bug.  It's a losing
battle for users, who have to dread every single update for fear that it
will make some previously-working-perfectly part of the program totally
unusable for them.

Even though I purchased Legacy 7 when it was released (based on their
statement that they learned from Legacy 6), I'm still using Legacy 6
because they don't keep breaking it and I have the security of knowing
that all the bugs left in it are the only bugs I have to worry about.

Both the web-page output and the charting output were released in
extremely primitive form and then immediately abandoned that way.  They
both need massive updating to make them far more flexible and usable.
Since that has not happened in all the years that followed their
introduction, I find it absurd to think that they will ever update the
entire program.

The fact that Legacy still uses programming standards that Microsoft
abandoned with Windows 95 about 17 years ago shows that the programmers
at Millennia are unwilling to adapt to the technology of the current
century.  I could be wrong, and I would love it if that is the case, but
there is no evidence that would give me any hope at all.

Bob



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Re: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed

[Larry Lee]

When selecting Family Search icon, How about having an option pop-up-
o  Use Family Search program
 (US Country Name will change to 'United States' to be compatible with
Family Search)
  [This will make the change and start the Family Search program]
o   Do not change my Country Name setting
 (Won't be able to use Family Search program)
   [This will not make any changes - null response - and stay in
Legacy program]
Larry


On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Larry McCumber lemccum...@gmail.comwrote:

 Has Legacy Family Tree been sold to LDS?  I didn't buy Legacy to be
 compliant with LDS Family Search standards.  Don't change my database.
 Just give me the option and I will decide how I want my data.

 On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Sherry/Support 
 she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:

 It was changed to United States because that's the standard for
 submitting data to the newFamilySearch site.  The programmer changed

 the way the country is returned when you use the Geo Location
 Database.  We need to comply with their standards for not only the LDS

 users but anyone who wishes to contribute to that database.

 You can always change it back by going to the Master Location List and
 clicking on Options  Expand/Contract Location Parts.


 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree



 On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Gene Young n2...@cfl.rr.com wrote:
  Has anyone else noticed that once again Millenia has decided that they
  are smarter than the end users and changed the default behavior of
  location entries?  I used to enter a new location for the USA and the
  location had USA in it.  Millenia must have decided that I was too
  stupid to really know what I want and changed it to United States.  No
  warning, no way to change it back to the correct way (the correct way
  being what I want, not what Millenia thinks I should want.)  ???
 
  Why do they continuously change my database with out my permission.  If
  they are going to change something they should give fair warning and a
  means to change the default back to what the USER prefers, not what
  Millenia decides the user should use.  And if there is a means to change
  the default it should be so noted in the help file.
 
  I am starting to see why there have been so many posts from unhappy
  users of late.
  --
 
  Gene Young
 



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Re: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed

[James Cook]

That was my thought initially, but after a follow-up from the OPer, it
seems that when entering new locations (and I guess when geolocating),
Legacy now returns United States ALWAYS.  So, if you are one who
prefers USA, you must manually change it every time.  Not friendly at
all.


On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Mike Fry mike...@iafrica.com wrote:
 Quit moaning! It won't do any good! 5 minutes to run through the Master
 Locations List and change them all (and all usages) to what you want.



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Re: [LegacyUG] UTF-8 Polish, Slovak, Ukranian, non-English characters

[Larry Lee]

Bob,

You said -
The fact that Legacy still uses programming standards that Microsoft
abandoned with Windows 95 about 17 years ago shows that the programmers
at Millennia are unwilling to adapt to the technology of the current
century

Does this mean that the MS Jet Database Engine is no longer supported,
therefore, the Legacy program will be limited from future development? Or
something else?

Larry



On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Bob byoabm8a4h...@wowway.com wrote:

 The fact that Legacy still uses programming standards that Microsoft
 abandoned with Windows 95 about 17 years ago shows that the programmers at
 Millennia are unwilling to adapt to the technology of the current
 century.  I could be wrong, and I would love it if that is the case, but
 there is no evidence that would give me any hope at all.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed

[Bob]

On 2012-03-12 12:49, Larry McCumber wrote:
 Has Legacy Family Tree been sold to LDS?  I didn't buy Legacy to be
 compliant with LDS Family Search standards.  Don't change my
 database.  Just give me the option and I will decide how I want my data.


I couldn't agree more!  There are many organizations in the genealogy
field, each with their own standards and preferences.  No user should be
forced to use the standards of a single organization just because it
makes a single program feature more convenient.

And changing data that a user has entered has always been considered a
dirty trick at best.  I don't think I'll ever get around to installing
the Legacy 7 program that I purchased.  It keeps getting worse than
Legacy 6.

Bob



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[LegacyUG] Merging people.

[Elizabeth]

I have been attempting to merge two people called Edward Bailey but he
appears twice with his wife Elizabeth Edwards, both times married to
the same spouse, once with a child and once not.  The problem I have
is that he and his wife have duplicate RINs so Merge won't let me do
it.  He only appears once as his parents' son but twice in the next
generation.

I thought Legacy didn't allow more than one person to have a
particular RIN?  I am using version 7.5.0.154.

Any suggestions welcome.

--

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researching ALLAMBRIDGE (Dorset, Somerset and anywhere else they might turn up)



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Re: [LegacyUG] UTF-8 Polish, Slovak, Ukranian, non-English characters

[Bob]

On 2012-03-12 13:34, Larry Lee wrote:
 Bob,

 You said -
 The fact that Legacy still uses programming standards that Microsoft
 abandoned with Windows 95 about 17 years ago shows that the
 programmers at Millennia are unwilling to adapt to the technology of
 the current century

 Does this mean that the MS Jet Database Engine is no longer supported,
 therefore, the Legacy program will be limited from future development?
 Or something else?

 Larry

  I doubt that the MS Jet Database Engine supports the UTF character
set, but I'm not a PC programmer (used to be a mainframe programmer), so
I cannot speak to just which programming tools and features within a
program are still current or functionally obsolete.

But when it comes to the Windows OS, the fact that Legacy still places
data files in the program folder is the most obvious and totally
ridiculous issue!  Separate folders for Program Files and Data Files
have been the standard since I bought my first PC in 1995.  Millennia's
only solution to their not being standards-compliant is to tell users
to install the program in a place that is contrary to Microsoft
standards and then to turn-off Microsoft recommended security features.
To them this somehow equates to Legacy being Windows 7 compliant.

Bob



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Re: [LegacyUG] Merging people.

[Sherry/Support]

Per our website www.LegacyFamilyTree.com  Help Center  Tips 
Relationships in Legacy  Tips on Fixing Relationship Problems.  You
can also access this through the Legacy Home tab by clicking Tips
from the Experts in the Support section.



Problem 7:An individual is married to the same spouse more than once
(same spouse RIN; different MRINs).

Solution: Open the Spouse List by clicking on View, then select Spouse
List and choose either the husband or wife on the submenu.  Next, in
the Spouse List highlight the duplicate marriage, and click Unlink on
the right side of the window. The Unlink window is displayed. This
window shows the name of the current individual from whom the spouse
will be unlinked along with a list of any children that are currently
linked to these two people.  Where one linking has no children and the
other has the children. unlink the one that doesn't have the children
attached.  In this situation you can safely continue with the
unlinking, and the children will remain linked to both of their
parents. Only the superfluous marriage will disappear.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree



On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Elizabeth roobee...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have been attempting to merge two people called Edward Bailey but he
 appears twice with his wife Elizabeth Edwards, both times married to
 the same spouse, once with a child and once not.  The problem I have
 is that he and his wife have duplicate RINs so Merge won't let me do
 it.  He only appears once as his parents' son but twice in the next
 generation.

 I thought Legacy didn't allow more than one person to have a
 particular RIN?  I am using version 7.5.0.154.

 Any suggestions welcome.

 --

 Elizabeth
 researching ALLAMBRIDGE (Dorset, Somerset and anywhere else they might turn 
 up)




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Re: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed

[Eric Wiggers]

I will third that opinion.  I reverted back to the nice stable version 
7.5.0.142 and will stay there for the
foreseeable future - it does everything I need it to do.  After the unwelcome 
overwriting of my web pages
setup user files caused by installation of the next updated version - and 
enough other subsequent problems
I've been reading about here latelyCannot overstate the importance of 
backing up everything before
updating.

Eric

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From: Bob byoabm8a4h...@wowway.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed


On 2012-03-12 12:49, Larry McCumber wrote:
 Has Legacy Family Tree been sold to LDS?  I didn't buy Legacy to be
 compliant with LDS Family Search standards.  Don't change my
 database.  Just give me the option and I will decide how I want my data.


I couldn't agree more!  There are many organizations in the genealogy
field, each with their own standards and preferences.  No user should be
forced to use the standards of a single organization just because it
makes a single program feature more convenient.

And changing data that a user has entered has always been considered a
dirty trick at best.  I don't think I'll ever get around to installing
the Legacy 7 program that I purchased.  It keeps getting worse than
Legacy 6.

Bob



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RE: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed

[Bobby Johnson]

I am a bit confused!  I have consistently used USA and it remains USA after 
updating to 166.  I do have the Do not change what I type checked in the 
OptionsCustomizeData Entry window.  Maybe that would solve this problem of it 
changing to United States.

Bobby

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Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 2:39 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed

On 2012-03-12 12:49, Larry McCumber wrote:
 Has Legacy Family Tree been sold to LDS?  I didn't buy Legacy to be
 compliant with LDS Family Search standards.  Don't change my database.
 Just give me the option and I will decide how I want my data.


I couldn't agree more!  There are many organizations in the genealogy field, 
each with their own standards and preferences.  No user should be forced to use 
the standards of a single organization just because it makes a single program 
feature more convenient.

And changing data that a user has entered has always been considered a dirty 
trick at best.  I don't think I'll ever get around to installing the Legacy 7 
program that I purchased.  It keeps getting worse than Legacy 6.

Bob





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Re: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed

[Jerry]

I understand well the argument that Legacy should have informed the
users so they could make the choice between USA and United States.  I
actually intend on changing our locations to comply with the United
States standard since it was pointed out to me by Sherry there is a need
to do so for the public records.

But I don't understand why so many on the list have apparently opted to
just be stingy and not share their work with others.  True, you should
be given credit for the work you've done, but why not be willing to
share with your extended family?   I don't get it...

Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org

On 3/12/2012 2:24 PM, James Cook wrote:
 That was my thought initially, but after a follow-up from the OPer, it
 seems that when entering new locations (and I guess when geolocating),
 Legacy now returns United States ALWAYS.  So, if you are one who
 prefers USA, you must manually change it every time.  Not friendly at
 all.


 On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Mike Frymike...@iafrica.com  wrote:
 Quit moaning! It won't do any good! 5 minutes to run through the Master
 Locations List and change them all (and all usages) to what you want.






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Re: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed

[Larry McCumber]

It has nothing to do with USA vs United States.  It has everything to do
with Legacy changing MY data.  Problem is I have to much data to switch to
another genealogy program.  GEDCOMs do not work and data is always lost.
I do my research for my family and have no desire for anyone else to see or
use.  Color me stingy.  Don't care.

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Jerry jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com wrote:

 I understand well the argument that Legacy should have informed the
 users so they could make the choice between USA and United States.  I
 actually intend on changing our locations to comply with the United
 States standard since it was pointed out to me by Sherry there is a need
 to do so for the public records.

 But I don't understand why so many on the list have apparently opted to
 just be stingy and not share their work with others.  True, you should
 be given credit for the work you've done, but why not be willing to
 share with your extended family?   I don't get it...

 Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org

 On 3/12/2012 2:24 PM, James Cook wrote:
  That was my thought initially, but after a follow-up from the OPer, it
  seems that when entering new locations (and I guess when geolocating),
  Legacy now returns United States ALWAYS.  So, if you are one who
  prefers USA, you must manually change it every time.  Not friendly at
  all.
 
 
  On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Mike Frymike...@iafrica.com  wrote:
  Quit moaning! It won't do any good! 5 minutes to run through the Master
  Locations List and change them all (and all usages) to what you want.
 
 
 



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Re: [LegacyUG] Merging people.

[Elizabeth]

Many thanks, Sherry - that sorted it.  Luckily no complications with
divorce and remarriage in the 19th century!

On 12 March 2012 20:27, Larry Lee ldlee...@gmail.com wrote:
 Sherry,

 This corrects one problem but it is possible to have a couple that got
 divorced then later remarried. This would cause one RIN each but two MRINS
 Larry




 On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Sherry/Support
 she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:

 Per our website www.LegacyFamilyTree.com  Help Center  Tips 
 Relationships in Legacy  Tips on Fixing Relationship Problems.  You
 can also access this through the Legacy Home tab by clicking Tips
 from the Experts in the Support section.



 Problem 7:An individual is married to the same spouse more than once
 (same spouse RIN; different MRINs).

 Solution: Open the Spouse List by clicking on View, then select Spouse
 List and choose either the husband or wife on the submenu.  Next, in
 the Spouse List highlight the duplicate marriage, and click Unlink on
 the right side of the window. The Unlink window is displayed. This
 window shows the name of the current individual from whom the spouse
 will be unlinked along with a list of any children that are currently
 linked to these two people.  Where one linking has no children and the
 other has the children. unlink the one that doesn't have the children
 attached.  In this situation you can safely continue with the
 unlinking, and the children will remain linked to both of their
 parents. Only the superfluous marriage will disappear.


 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree



 On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Elizabeth roobee...@gmail.com wrote:
  I have been attempting to merge two people called Edward Bailey but he
  appears twice with his wife Elizabeth Edwards, both times married to
  the same spouse, once with a child and once not.  The problem I have
  is that he and his wife have duplicate RINs so Merge won't let me do
  it.  He only appears once as his parents' son but twice in the next
  generation.
 
  I thought Legacy didn't allow more than one person to have a
  particular RIN?  I am using version 7.5.0.154.
 
  Any suggestions welcome.
 
  --
 
  Elizabeth
  researching ALLAMBRIDGE (Dorset, Somerset and anywhere else they might
  turn up)
 



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Re: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed

[Bob]

On 2012-03-12 15:25, Jerry wrote:
 I understand well the argument that Legacy should have informed the
 users so they could make the choice between USA and United States.
Actually the users made their choice when they entered their data.
Legacy should have respected it.


On 2012-03-12 15:25, Jerry wrote:
 But I don't understand why so many on the list have apparently opted to
 just be stingy and not share their work with others.  ...  but why not be 
 willing to
 share with your extended family
I think almost everyone is willing to share with family, since much of
their data came from those same family members.  It's entirely different
to be sharing with the entire internet, which many are reluctant to do
for various very good reasons.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Merging people.

[Brian/Support]

There is no problem at all, where a couple legitimately married twice
you should have two MRINs for them. What Sherry was pointing out was how
to fix it when they couple did not marry twice.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
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We are changing the world of genealogy!
When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence.
Thanks.

On 12/03/2012 4:27 PM, Larry Lee wrote:
 Sherry,

 This corrects one problem but it is possible to have a couple that got
 divorced then later remarried. This would cause one RIN each but two MRINS
 Larry



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Re: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed

[Larry Lee]

Amen, sister.  Very well said.  I am not LDS either but wouldn't have 25%
of the info I now have if not for their genealogical endeavors.

Larry



On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Michele Lewis ancestor...@gmail.comwrote:

 I have been watching this conversation in bewilderment.  I have put USA
 and I have put United States.  Not once has Legacy changed what I have
 entered (except when I used the expand/contract feature).  I now have all
 my locations with United States to conform to the LDS standard.  Just for
 the records, I am not LDS but I am very grateful to the LDS church for
 everything they have done to preserve records through microfilming.  They
 are the experts when it comes to genealogy research so I do respect their
 opinion on what the standard should be.  

 ** **

 michele

 ** **

 *From:* Larry McCumber [mailto:lemccum...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Monday, March 12, 2012 4:38 PM
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed

 ** **

 It has nothing to do with USA vs United States.  It has everything to do
 with Legacy changing MY data.  Problem is I have to much data to switch to
 another genealogy program.  GEDCOMs do not work and data is always lost.
 I do my research for my family and have no desire for anyone else to see
 or use.  Color me stingy.  Don't care.

 On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Jerry jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I understand well the argument that Legacy should have informed the
 users so they could make the choice between USA and United States.  I
 actually intend on changing our locations to comply with the United
 States standard since it was pointed out to me by Sherry there is a need
 to do so for the public records.

 But I don't understand why so many on the list have apparently opted to
 just be stingy and not share their work with others.  True, you should
 be given credit for the work you've done, but why not be willing to
 share with your extended family?   I don't get it...

 Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org


 On 3/12/2012 2:24 PM, James Cook wrote:
  That was my thought initially, but after a follow-up from the OPer, it
  seems that when entering new locations (and I guess when geolocating),
  Legacy now returns United States ALWAYS.  So, if you are one who
  prefers USA, you must manually change it every time.  Not friendly at
  all.
 
 
  On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Mike Frymike...@iafrica.com  wrote:
  Quit moaning! It won't do any good! 5 minutes to run through the Master
  Locations List and change them all (and all usages) to what you want.
 
 
 


 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed

[Eric Wiggers]

The number one priority of any genealogy software should be to preserve the 
data that the users have input,
representing perhaps years of labor.  If that data needs to be changed for 
internal or external purposes,
ideally the software should inform the users before the fact, and then give 
the users a choice based on why
the changes would be necessary (to perform certain specified functions).  
Perhaps more ideally, if the user
then does opt to have the data changed, the next step might be to offer a 
backup of the effected data in the
existing format, before proceeding with changes.  My five cents' worth...


- Original Message -
From: Bob byoabm8a4h...@wowway.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed


On 2012-03-12 15:25, Jerry wrote:
 I understand well the argument that Legacy should have informed the
 users so they could make the choice between USA and United States.
Actually the users made their choice when they entered their data.
Legacy should have respected it.


On 2012-03-12 15:25, Jerry wrote:
 But I don't understand why so many on the list have apparently opted to
 just be stingy and not share their work with others.  ...  but why not be 
 willing to
 share with your extended family
I think almost everyone is willing to share with family, since much of
their data came from those same family members.  It's entirely different
to be sharing with the entire internet, which many are reluctant to do
for various very good reasons.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Linking to a spreadsheet

[Mike Fry]

On 2012/03/12 23:28, Larry Lee wrote:
 Can someone tell me if it possible to link a spreadsheet to a source?I know I
 can put a copy to view in the picture gallery.

 What I want to do is have a Hyperlink that would open an actual worksheet in
 Excel or LibreOffice Calc.

Clue: A spreadsheet is just a file! Attach it as a file. Then when you
double-click on it, the default program that you've got set up for the type of
file, might activate.

--
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Johannesburg



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Re: [LegacyUG] Linking to a spreadsheet

[Eric Wiggers]

Larry:

Does your use of the word hyperlink imply the spreadsheet file lives in the 
cloud on an Internet server
somewhere, or locally on the PC that Legacy is running on?  In case of the 
latter, Mike's answer applies.

Eric

- Original Message -
From: Mike Fry mike...@iafrica.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Linking to a spreadsheet


On 2012/03/12 23:28, Larry Lee wrote:
 Can someone tell me if it possible to link a spreadsheet to a source?I know I
 can put a copy to view in the picture gallery.

 What I want to do is have a Hyperlink that would open an actual worksheet in
 Excel or LibreOffice Calc.

Clue: A spreadsheet is just a file! Attach it as a file. Then when you
double-click on it, the default program that you've got set up for the type of
file, might activate.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg



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RE: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed

[mbstx]

Being grateful to the LDS for their records is one thing. For Legacy to actually change a user's record without their consent is quite another. BTW, I actually do use the full United States in my records - that is a choice I made. If Legacy next decides it should be United States of America (to distinguish from the United States of Mexico, which is the correct name for our friends to the south) I would be as upset as other on this forum are at the present situation. Marianne-Original Message-
From: Michele Lewis 
Sent: Mar 12, 2012 3:55 PM
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Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed






I have been watching this conversation in bewilderment. I have put USA and I have put United States. Not once has Legacy changed what I have entered (except when I used the expand/contract feature). I now have all my locations with United States to conform to the LDS standard. Just for the records, I am not LDS but I am very grateful to the LDS church for everything they have done to preserve records through microfilming. They are the experts when it comes to genealogy research so I do respect their opinion on what the standard should be. micheleFrom: Larry McCumber [mailto:lemccum...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 4:38 PMTo: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.comSubject: Re: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changedIt has nothing to do with USA vs United States. It has everything to do with Legacy changing MY data. Problem is I have to much data to switch to another genealogy program. GEDCOMs do not work and data is always lost. I do my research for my family and have no desire for anyone else to see or use. Color me stingy. Don't care.On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Jerry jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com wrote:I understand well the argument that Legacy should have informed theusers so they could make the choice between USA and United States. Iactually intend on changing our locations to comply with the UnitedStates standard since it was pointed out to me by Sherry there is a needto do so for the public records.But I don't understand why so many on the list have apparently opted tojust be stingy and not share their work with others. True, you shouldbe given credit for the work you've done, but why not be willing toshare with your extended family?  I don't get it...Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.orgOn 3/12/2012 2:24 PM, James Cook wrote: That was my thought initially, but after a follow-up from the OPer, it seems that when entering new locations (and I guess when geolocating), Legacy now returns "United States" ALWAYS. So, if you are one who prefers USA, you must manually change it every time. Not friendly at all. On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Mike Frymike...@iafrica.com wrote: Quit moaning! It won't do any good! 5 minutes to run through the Master Locations List and change them all (and all usages) to what you want.Legacy User Group guidelines:http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspArchived messages after Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.aspFollow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com).To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.aspLegacy User Group guidelines:http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspArchived messages after Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.aspFollow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com).To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Re: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed

[Lloyd]

At 04:25 PM 3/12/2012, you wrote:
But I don't understand why so many on the list have apparently opted to
just be stingy and not share their work with others.  True, you should
be given credit for the work you've done, but why not be willing to
share with your extended family?   I don't get it...

Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org

I will tell you why I will not share my data on the internet. A
couple of years ago i posted my family tree on a website and several
people got information from it and even wrote me wanting info that
was not on the webpage. BUT, when I would e-mail them for
information, they would ignore my e-mail. So I removed my data from
the internet and do not intend to put it back on. I am going on 81
years old and when I get to the place where I cannot work on my data,
then I am going to delete it all. not going to leave a trace. None of
my grandchildren are interested in taking it over.

Lloyd



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Re: [LegacyUG] Linking to a spreadsheet

[Larry Lee]

Thanks Guys,

It is on my PC.  All I can say is Doh. And it did work.
Larry



On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Eric Wiggers e...@ericwiggers.com wrote:

 Larry:

 Does your use of the word hyperlink imply the spreadsheet file lives in
 the cloud on an Internet server
 somewhere, or locally on the PC that Legacy is running on?  In case of the
 latter, Mike's answer applies.

 Eric

 - Original Message -
 From: Mike Fry mike...@iafrica.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 5:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Linking to a spreadsheet


 On 2012/03/12 23:28, Larry Lee wrote:
  Can someone tell me if it possible to link a spreadsheet to a source?I
 know I
  can put a copy to view in the picture gallery.
 
  What I want to do is have a Hyperlink that would open an actual
 worksheet in
  Excel or LibreOffice Calc.

 Clue: A spreadsheet is just a file! Attach it as a file. Then when you
 double-click on it, the default program that you've got set up for the
 type of
 file, might activate.

 --
 Regards,
 Mike Fry
 Johannesburg



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RE: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed

[Michele Lewis]

I don't post my stuff on the internet either.   I don't like people copying my 
work and publishing it as their own and copying the material without bothering 
to cite it properly. Lloyd, send me your stuff when the time comes.  I would be 
interested in it and I promise to take care of it.  My children and husband 
couldn't care less about my research so I understand perfectly.

michele



-Original Message-
From: Lloyd [mailto:lhite3...@juno.com]
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:05 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed

At 04:25 PM 3/12/2012, you wrote:
But I don't understand why so many on the list have apparently opted to
just be stingy and not share their work with others.  True, you should
be given credit for the work you've done, but why not be willing to
share with your extended family?   I don't get it...

Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org

I will tell you why I will not share my data on the internet. A couple of years 
ago i posted my family tree on a website and several people got information 
from it and even wrote me wanting info that was not on the webpage. BUT, when I 
would e-mail them for information, they would ignore my e-mail. So I removed my 
data from the internet and do not intend to put it back on. I am going on 81 
years old and when I get to the place where I cannot work on my data, then I am 
going to delete it all. not going to leave a trace. None of my grandchildren 
are interested in taking it over.

Lloyd




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Re: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed

[SalUDevil]

Lloyd makes me want to cry.  I didn't start my genealogy until I  retired. 
Lloyd, tuck that work away someplace.  Trust me, someone  will come along,
a randchild maybe, who will bless you for all your hard  work.

Sally

In a message dated 3/12/2012 5:19:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ancestor...@gmail.com writes:
I don't post my stuff on the internet  either.   I don't like people
copying my work and publishing it as  their own and copying the material without
bothering to cite it properly. Lloyd,  send me your stuff when the time
comes.  I would be interested in it and I  promise to take care of it.  My
children and husband couldn't care less  about my research so I understand
perfectly.

michele
---
I am going on 81 years old and when I get to  the place where I cannot work
on my data, then I am going to delete it all. not  going to leave a trace.
None of my grandchildren are interested in taking it  over.

Lloyd




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RE: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

I think it is Estat Unis de Mexico (bad spelling?)

--- On Mon, 3/12/12, mbstx msz...@mindspring.com wrote:


From: mbstx msz...@mindspring.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Date: Monday, March 12, 2012, 3:02 PM



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Being grateful to the LDS for their records is one thing.  For Legacy to 
actually change a user's record without their consent is quite another.  BTW, I 
actually do use the full United States in my records - that is a choice I 
made.  If Legacy next decides it should be United States of America (to 
distinguish from the United States of Mexico, which is the correct name for our 
friends to the south) I would be as upset as other on this forum are at the 
present situation.  Marianne

-Original Message-
From: Michele Lewis
Sent: Mar 12, 2012 3:55 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed





I have been watching this conversation in bewilderment.  I have put USA and I 
have put United States.  Not once has Legacy changed what I have entered 
(except when I used the expand/contract feature).  I now have all my locations 
with United States to conform to the LDS standard.  Just for the records, I am 
not LDS but I am very grateful to the LDS church for everything they have done 
to preserve records through microfilming.  They are the experts when it comes 
to genealogy research so I do respect their opinion on what the standard should 
be. 
 
michele
 
From: Larry McCumber [mailto:lemccum...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 4:38 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed
 
It has nothing to do with USA vs United States.  It has everything to do with 
Legacy changing MY data.  Problem is I have to much data to switch to another 
genealogy program.  GEDCOMs do not work and data is always lost. 
I do my research for my family and have no desire for anyone else to see or 
use.  Color me stingy.  Don't care.

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Jerry jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com wrote:
I understand well the argument that Legacy should have informed the
users so they could make the choice between USA and United States.  I
actually intend on changing our locations to comply with the United
States standard since it was pointed out to me by Sherry there is a need
to do so for the public records.

But I don't understand why so many on the list have apparently opted to
just be stingy and not share their work with others.  True, you should
be given credit for the work you've done, but why not be willing to
share with your extended family?   I don't get it...

Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org


On 3/12/2012 2:24 PM, James Cook wrote:
 That was my thought initially, but after a follow-up from the OPer, it
 seems that when entering new locations (and I guess when geolocating),
 Legacy now returns United States ALWAYS.  So, if you are one who
 prefers USA, you must manually change it every time.  Not friendly at
 all.


 On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Mike Frymike...@iafrica.com  wrote:
 Quit moaning! It won't do any good! 5 minutes to run through the Master
 Locations List and change them all (and all usages) to what you want.








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Re: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed

[Bob]

On 2012-03-12 16:37, Eric Wiggers wrote:
 The number one priority of any genealogy software should be to preserve the 
 data that the users have input,
 representing perhaps years of labor.  If that data needs to be changed for 
 internal or external purposes,
 ideally the software should inform the users before the fact, and then give 
 the users a choice based on why
 the changes would be necessary (to perform certain specified functions).  
 Perhaps more ideally, if the user
 then does opt to have the data changed, the next step might be to offer a 
 backup of the effected data in the
 existing format, before proceeding with changes.  My five cents' worth...

In my case I changed from United States to USA years ago.  With the long
form, the sentences in reports were much longer and reading them was so
tedious and repetitive that even I did not want to do it, much less
family members who have no interest in genealogy.

If I were going to expand USA, which I'm not, United States would be
only my third choice.  I would greatly prefer United States of America
since it makes no logical sense to expand the U and the S but not
the A.

I have never used FamilySearch, but I assume that Legacy interacts with
it by passing data back and forth.  In that case, Legacy could do the
conversion both to and from USA and United States during the passing
of data between Legacy and FamilySearch rather than simply trashing the
users' data file.  They probably chose the latter because it was a
little bit easier for them, no matter how much extra work was created
for many users.  Having to change United States back to USA all the
time is a task that it is all too easy for forget occasionally and one
that users should not be expected to do at all.



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Re: [LegacyUG] SQLite Error 1 - duplicate column name: TagValue

[Luc Comeau]

Hi,

First, make sure you are running the latest version of Legacy.  The latest
version is 7.5.0.166.

Second, The Legacy FamilySearch feature creates a separate database with
the same file name as your Legacy database but with the file extension of
FSD.  It is located in the same directory as your Legacy database file.
 It this case, please delete that FSD file (or rename it) and run Legacy
and Legacy FamilySearch again.

Thanks,
Luc Comeau
Legacy Family Tree


On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 13:53, Paul Rogers rogers...@gmail.com wrote:

 After waiting for months and months I have finally got access to the NFS.

 Eagerly I fired up Legacy and went to the FamilySearch screen only to be
 faced with the above SQLite error which then caused Legacy FS to hang.

 There appears to be no mention of SQLite errors on Legacy's support page
 so is there some kind soul that can give me a solution [?]

 I have also reported this as a potential bug to Legacy but suspect I might
 get a quicker response from the User Group.

 Thanks in advance for any help you are able to give.

 Paul




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Re: [LegacyUG] SQLite Error 1 - duplicate column name: TagValue

[Paul Rogers]

Hi Luc

I am running the latest 166 update.

Deleting the fsd file worked a treat - now have access to NFS.

Thanks for your help.

Paul
On Mar 12, 2012 11:12 PM, Luc Comeau l...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:

 Hi,

 First, make sure you are running the latest version of Legacy.  The latest
 version is 7.5.0.166.

 Second, The Legacy FamilySearch feature creates a separate database with
 the same file name as your Legacy database but with the file extension of
 FSD.  It is located in the same directory as your Legacy database file.
  It this case, please delete that FSD file (or rename it) and run Legacy
 and Legacy FamilySearch again.

 Thanks,
 Luc Comeau
 Legacy Family Tree


 On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 13:53, Paul Rogers rogers...@gmail.com wrote:

 After waiting for months and months I have finally got access to the NFS.

 Eagerly I fired up Legacy and went to the FamilySearch screen only to be
 faced with the above SQLite error which then caused Legacy FS to hang.

 There appears to be no mention of SQLite errors on Legacy's support page
 so is there some kind soul that can give me a solution [?]

 I have also reported this as a potential bug to Legacy but suspect I
 might get a quicker response from the User Group.

 Thanks in advance for any help you are able to give.

 Paul




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RE: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed

[Paul Gray]

Ok, I’m back at version 142, so I haven’t seen this.



Did Legacy actually change your master location list?



From what others are saying, it doesn’t sound like it. It sounds like they 
have changed a default from USA to United States when you are adding a new 
location.



Paul Gray



From: Larry McCumber [mailto:lemccum...@gmail.com]
Sent: March-12-12 2:38 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed



It has nothing to do with USA vs United States.  It has everything to do with 
Legacy changing MY data.  Problem is I have to much data to switch to another 
genealogy program.  GEDCOMs do not work and data is always lost.
I do my research for my family and have no desire for anyone else to see or 
use.  Color me stingy.  Don't care.

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Jerry jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com wrote:

I understand well the argument that Legacy should have informed the
users so they could make the choice between USA and United States.  I
actually intend on changing our locations to comply with the United
States standard since it was pointed out to me by Sherry there is a need
to do so for the public records.

But I don't understand why so many on the list have apparently opted to
just be stingy and not share their work with others.  True, you should
be given credit for the work you've done, but why not be willing to
share with your extended family?   I don't get it...

Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org


On 3/12/2012 2:24 PM, James Cook wrote:
 That was my thought initially, but after a follow-up from the OPer, it
 seems that when entering new locations (and I guess when geolocating),
 Legacy now returns United States ALWAYS.  So, if you are one who
 prefers USA, you must manually change it every time.  Not friendly at
 all.


 On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Mike Frymike...@iafrica.com  wrote:
 Quit moaning! It won't do any good! 5 minutes to run through the Master
 Locations List and change them all (and all usages) to what you want.







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Re: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed

[Vivian Gullickson White]

Well, if you read the Revision History for 12 Feb 2012 before you
upgraded it tells you:
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/RevisionHistory7.asp


Changed Items

Geo Location Database - It will now return United States instead of
USA when selecting a location from the USA.

I usually look at the changes before I update to see if I really wish
to update at this time :)

Vivian



On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Gene Young n2...@cfl.rr.com wrote:
 Has anyone else noticed that once again Millenia has decided that they
 are smarter than the end users and changed the default behavior of
 location entries?  I used to enter a new location for the USA and the
 location had USA in it.  Millenia must have decided that I was too
 stupid to really know what I want and changed it to United States.  No
 warning, no way to change it back to the correct way (the correct way
 being what I want, not what Millenia thinks I should want.)  ???

 Why do they continuously change my database with out my permission.  If
 they are going to change something they should give fair warning and a
 means to change the default back to what the USER prefers, not what
 Millenia decides the user should use.  And if there is a means to change
 the default it should be so noted in the help file.

 I am starting to see why there have been so many posts from unhappy
 users of late.
 --

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 Researching Young, Harer, Cox  Sallada
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Locking up after Update

[James Cook]

Still doing it today, after Check  Repair (3 images have been
renamed) and a reboot.  I did do a backup before updating Legacy, but
when after the update it told me my file was not in the correct format
and had to be updated too.  It warned me that doing so would make it
incompatible with prior versions (makes sense).  I'd really like to
get a problem report.  What do I try next?



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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Locking up after Update

[James Cook]

Just as a test, I opened the Sample.fdb file, and the Potential
Problems locks up on that one too.


On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 8:34 PM, James Cook jc1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Still doing it today, after Check  Repair (3 images have been
 renamed) and a reboot.  I did do a backup before updating Legacy, but
 when after the update it told me my file was not in the correct format
 and had to be updated too.  It warned me that doing so would make it
 incompatible with prior versions (makes sense).  I'd really like to
 get a problem report.  What do I try next?



--
James Cook
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Locking up after Update

[James Cook]

Further Experimentation...

If I click either the Create Problems List or the View Existing
Problems List the dang things locks up every time.  However, if I
click the Preview button, I get a report back.



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