Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
As an alternative to notes I have a Master Source called Inference based on Other Data (call it anything you want) and within that source I give the methods and data by which I arrive at an entry (dates places usually). So for an estimated birth year I might quote any record which mentions an age and if they are inconsistent then give an estimated range of birth dates. David On 06/01/2014 07:18, Robert57P_gmail wrote: My thought would be: abt = you have some pretty solid evidence, but not exact (or if the evidence said about) est = YOU made an educated guess, or you KNOW someone else made an educated guess. For example if you had the birth date of 1st and 3rd child, and you had no date on 2nd child but you stuck in a date so 2nd child would show up in correct order. YOU SHOULD PROBABLY PUT A NOTE about this for that child, stating that it was a guess and not based upon any solid evidence. But I'm not sure if putting in things like this is wise 'cause someone else might not see your notes and may take the guess as solid evidence for their file . . . Bob On 01/06/2014 02:08, Kathy Thompson wrote: Where I have specific dates with specific ages I use about aged X in Y - born About Z Where I have an event occuring at a date and that event can only happen after a certain age - marriage, voting, etc - then I use Before on an electoral roll in 1921 - born before 1900 (notes: based on min legal age of 21 to vote in X location at that time) marrying in 1867 - declared as of full age - born before 1846 (notes: based on of full age being the age of 21.) When I have a child of a couple being born/baptised at a known time, I use other clues to establish marriage Baptism - does the register indicate base born or natural or illegitimacy in anoy other way? Yes? then I note that no marriage had occured at that time, otherwise I leave it blank as unless you have confirmed ages for the parents at that time and therefore know that marriage it likely to be within the last year. If I had a child next year, and an assumption was made that I married the year before the child was born, they'd be wrong. I got married 18 years ago. (Yes, Legacy would throw up First child born too long after marriage warning signs) As for whether to use About or Estimated - I prefer About/Abt simply because Est can also mean Established. On 6 January 2014 16:52, Valerie B Garton vbgar...@gmail.com mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com wrote: I have now confused myself: Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890 Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818 Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 - source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth dates assuming parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child Any more suggestions please ? Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages
Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
I agree with most of Kathy's examples. I never use est unless it is established. (And for some reason in the back of my head a long time ago I remember some software when importing gedcom did not properly import est dates) I ALWAYS use abt for any incomplete dates abt 1900 will elicit a complete date from someone, whereas 1900 will just be read and assumed you dont need the full day and month. Marriages are always aft birth year +17 of youngest person in couple, or marriage is bef the birth year of fist child. In Kathys example of a child I would still use married bef 2014 (which is still correct, but at least gives a starting point to look rather than no info at all) For childrens birth its is always aft marriage year or after youngest parents + 17 years. census age to years is always abt. As most of my work is intended to be seen by non genealogists I realize that some data in a field is by far better than no data, especially when working with large families that inter-married and used the same naming traditions. And everyone PLEASE stop putting a womans married name in the surname box. her surname is/was her maiden name. When gedcoms are passed on or info taken from a source that has done that I diligently verify it only to find 98% are in fact having their married name entered in the surname box. It's time the genealogy world starts thinking Big Picture and how not to cause further problems in the future. On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.comwrote: Where I have specific dates with specific ages I use about aged X in Y - born About Z Where I have an event occuring at a date and that event can only happen after a certain age - marriage, voting, etc - then I use Before on an electoral roll in 1921 - born before 1900 (notes: based on min legal age of 21 to vote in X location at that time) marrying in 1867 - declared as of full age - born before 1846 (notes: based on of full age being the age of 21.) When I have a child of a couple being born/baptised at a known time, I use other clues to establish marriage Baptism - does the register indicate base born or natural or illegitimacy in anoy other way? Yes? then I note that no marriage had occured at that time, otherwise I leave it blank as unless you have confirmed ages for the parents at that time and therefore know that marriage it likely to be within the last year. If I had a child next year, and an assumption was made that I married the year before the child was born, they'd be wrong. I got married 18 years ago. (Yes, Legacy would throw up First child born too long after marriage warning signs) As for whether to use About or Estimated - I prefer About/Abt simply because Est can also mean Established. On 6 January 2014 16:52, Valerie B Garton vbgar...@gmail.com wrote: I have now confused myself: Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890 Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818 Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 - source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth dates assuming parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child Any more suggestions please ? Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook
Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
Agreed but it can be difficult when you don't know the maiden name. I started by leaving it blank and then ended up with a collection of forenames at the front of my index. So I now go with the married surname and a title suffix of spouse. These have the advantage of showing in the index in a more appropriate place and also it is easy to produce a list by searching for suffix spouse On 06/01/2014 09:21, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote: SNIP And everyone PLEASE stop putting a womans married name in the surname box. her surname is/was her maiden name. When gedcoms are passed on or info taken from a source that has done that I diligently verify it only to find 98% are in fact having their married name entered in the surname box. SNIP Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Maiden names (Was: When to use est and when to use abt)
I use [---?---] for an unknown surname regardless of gender. The beauty of Legacy is that I can have in Index view Show Alternate Names or Show Married Names activated and so my Mary [---?---] will appear in the list under her married name and I don't have to go searching too far for her. On 6 January 2014 19:34, David Newton lugda...@drdavid.plus.com wrote: Agreed but it can be difficult when you don't know the maiden name. I started by leaving it blank and then ended up with a collection of forenames at the front of my index. So I now go with the married surname and a title suffix of spouse. These have the advantage of showing in the index in a more appropriate place and also it is easy to produce a list by searching for suffix spouse On 06/01/2014 09:21, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote: SNIP And everyone PLEASE stop putting a womans married name in the surname box. her surname is/was her maiden name. When gedcoms are passed on or info taken from a source that has done that I diligently verify it only to find 98% are in fact having their married name entered in the surname box. SNIP Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Gender colors
I don't think you can do it in 8 - I've tried various changes. Graham -Original Message- From: Robert57P_gmail [mailto:robert...@gmail.com] Sent: 06 January 2014 06:54 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Gender colors Where do I change the color of male, female, unknown? I can find it in ver 7.5, but can not find it in version 8. I like to go with the stereotypical colors Blue = boy pink (or red) = girl purple = unknown (combination of blue/red) Thanks, Bob Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Gender colors
Options Change Colours click on any child's name to bring up the gender colour selections. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 06-Jan-2014 1:54 AM, Robert57P_gmail wrote: Where do I change the color of male, female, unknown? I can find it in ver 7.5, but can not find it in version 8. I like to go with the stereotypical colors Blue = boy pink (or red) = girl purple = unknown (combination of blue/red) Thanks, Bob Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Gender colors
Rightclick on background. Change colour scheme Click on name of a child Set desired colours for text. save Bert Graham Love schreef op 6-1-2014 12:42: I don't think you can do it in 8 - I've tried various changes. Graham -Original Message- From: Robert57P_gmail [mailto:robert...@gmail.com] Sent: 06 January 2014 06:54 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Gender colors Where do I change the color of male, female, unknown? I can find it in ver 7.5, but can not find it in version 8. I like to go with the stereotypical colors Blue = boy pink (or red) = girl purple = unknown (combination of blue/red) Thanks, Bob Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp --- Dit e-mailbericht bevat geen virussen en malware omdat avast! Antivirus-bescherming actief is. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Chronology report - options not working
Do you have the chronology limited to the lifespan of the individual? Did those missing events occur during her lifetime? Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 04-Jan-2014 10:12 PM, Carolyn wrote: Having just watched and thoroughly enjoyed Geoff’s webinar, I have been busily sharing events and have also switched on ‘include grandchildren’ in the chronology report. However for random direct females in my tree, eg both my grandmothers, it will include the shared events, but NOT include children, grandchildren or even birth and death of spouse. It will include all of these options in chronology reports reports for most people in my database. Have I missed a tick somewhere, has anyone else had the same problem and found the answer please? Many thanks. Carolyn Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] New computer: what order to do these?
What is the argument for keeping both V7 and V8 on the same computer? On Sunday, January 5, 2014 5:14 PM, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: On our website www.LegacyFamilyTree.com, go to Help Center Tips Moving Your Family File from One Computer to Another You'll find detailed instructions on reinstalling Legacy and moving your data and media files to the new computer. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Dee Ziegler dee.zieg...@gmail.com wrote: New computer, Windows7. Advice, please: In what order should these be done? * Load Legacy7, standard, from flash drive. (Flash drive has two separate families, which I'd like to keep separate for now.) I do want to have both Legacy7 and Legacy8 on this computer. *Load Legacy8 software, standard, from website. *Load the INFORMATION from Legacy7 into the Legacy8 software. Thanks for sharing your experience with a technotimid user. Dee in Maryland Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] New member
Hi, I have joined the user group several times but never get any mail. Just wondering if this email gets through. J Sue Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Cloning settings to 2nd computer
On your desktop copy, be sure you have clicked Save ALL current settings as User-Defaults (under Options - Customize - Options for Default Settings). Then copy all the .usr files in your My Documents/Legacy Family Tree/_AppData/usr to the matching directory on your lapton. Then in Legacy on the laptop, Options - Customize - Options for Default Settings - Reset to User-Defaults. -Original Message- From: Robert57P_gmail [mailto:robert...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 12:53 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Cloning settings to 2nd computer Once I have version 8 tweaked how I like it on my desktop PC, what files to I need to copy to my laptop to have those same tweaks in place? Also - in the CUSTOMIZE box, there are several settings with gbl. I'm assuming they are GLOBAL. That is, those settings are in effect no matter what family file I open, correct? And some of the settings have ff - I'm guessing those are specific to the family file I have opened (correct?). But what in the heck does ff stand for? Instead of saying gbl and ff, why not just spell them out? Thanks again for a great upgrade. Lots of nice new features. Sorry for the multiple questions today. (And, yes, I have tried to find the answers in the manual.) Bob Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] New member
Your emails are coming through. Send request to support@legacyfamilytree to reset your Legacy User Group account. After they do the reset, you should start receiving emails from the group. From: Sue and Garry Mills [mailto:sue...@iinet.net.au] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 6:52 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] New member Hi, I have joined the user group several times but never get any mail. Just wondering if this email gets through. J Sue Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] New member
Thank you Terry and Kurt. The emails are now coming through. Sue Your emails are coming through. Send request to support@legacyfamilytree to reset your Legacy User Group account. After they do the reset, you should start receiving emails from the group. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] New member
Sorry. Meant Jim Terry. J Thank you Terry and Kurt. The emails are now coming through. Sue Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Gender colors
Thank you. That top msg of the Set Color Scheme did not sink in. I ASSUMED I could only click on the links within that SET COLOR SCHEME box - did not realize once that box is up that items on the main window in the background were selectable/changeable. Thanks much, Bob On 01/06/2014 07:05, Bert van Kootwijk wrote: Rightclick on background. Change colour scheme Click on name of a child Set desired colours for text. save Bert Graham Love schreef op 6-1-2014 12:42: I don't think you can do it in 8 - I've tried various changes. Graham -Original Message- From: Robert57P_gmail [mailto:robert...@gmail.com] Sent: 06 January 2014 06:54 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Gender colors Where do I change the color of male, female, unknown? I can find it in ver 7.5, but can not find it in version 8. I like to go with the stereotypical colors Blue = boy pink (or red) = girl purple = unknown (combination of blue/red) Thanks, Bob Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp --- Dit e-mailbericht bevat geen virussen en malware omdat avast! Antivirus-bescherming actief is. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] can't open my family files
All the other responses are mostly correct. I suspect that while you may have originally installed v7.4, you also just updated to v7.5 maybe by accident and didn't realize it. That is why you now v7.5 is asking you to convert. Before you convert, I'd use Windows File Manager to create a copy of your family file and add the label of v7.4 in the file name and save it just in case you ever want to go back. I don't know why you'd ever want to go back to v7.4 but making that copy gives you the chance. The fire up Legacy v7.5 and go ahead and convert your family file (not the v7.4 one) and enjoy. Keep your v7.4 installation disc and don't throw it away. You can always re-install v7.4 and update from there if needed. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Turnham [mailto:bdturn...@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 12:48 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] can't open my family files Hello all I have just joined this group and hope that someone can help me. I haven't used my Legacy for some time. I purchased the De Luxe version 7.4 (from my disc) but maybe I updated from there but I can't get into the program to check as explained next. I went in today and tried to open a family file. It said that the format had changed and did I want to convert to the new format and cautioned that if I did that I might not be able to see the data or something like that. I clicked don't convert but I could not open the family file. Would someone please explain what is going on? Thanks for any help. Barbara Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] New member
BEFORE you contact support for this problem, check your own spam filters and/or look in you “junk” or “spam” folder of email to see if they are getting through but just being routed there. Brian in CA From: Sue and Garry Mills [mailto:sue...@iinet.net.au] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 4:52 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] New member Hi, I have joined the user group several times but never get any mail. Just wondering if this email gets through. J Sue Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Maiden names (Was: When to use est and when to use abt)
Since I nad too many women whose names were Mary, Elizabeth, and Catherine, I came up with this method. With an unknown woman's surname I put her first name in the appropriate place followed by (sp of [husband's first name or initial] and then in the surname box I put [husband's surname]) So, the () are in two different spaces. I believe you'll find that it is then found in the appropriate surname but it's obvious that it's not hers. Perhaps this will show as an example: Mary (sp of George Smith) Good luck. Karen On Monday, January 6, 2014 2:57 AM, Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.com wrote: I use [---?---] for an unknown surname regardless of gender. The beauty of Legacy is that I can have in Index view Show Alternate Names or Show Married Names activated and so my Mary [---?---] will appear in the list under her married name and I don't have to go searching too far for her. On 6 January 2014 19:34, David Newton lugda...@drdavid.plus.com wrote: Agreed but it can be difficult when you don't know the maiden name. I started by leaving it blank and then ended up with a collection of forenames at the front of my index. So I now go with the married surname and a title suffix of spouse. These have the advantage of showing in the index in a more appropriate place and also it is easy to produce a list by searching for suffix spouse On 06/01/2014 09:21, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote: SNIP And everyone PLEASE stop putting a womans married name in the surname box. her surname is/was her maiden name. When gedcoms are passed on or info taken from a source that has done that I diligently verify it only to find 98% are in fact having their married name entered in the surname box. SNIP Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Unknown Maiden names (Was: When to use est and when to use abt)
I do something that is similar Mary ? (Wife of George Smith) I also use a similar format for unknown husbands and parents ? Smith (Husband of Mary Jones) ? Smith (Father of Mary Smith) Thanks, David C Abernathy Email disclaimers This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus == From: Karen Blackmore [mailto:stk...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 7:35 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Maiden names (Was: When to use est and when to use abt) Since I nad too many women whose names were Mary, Elizabeth, and Catherine, I came up with this method. With an unknown woman's surname I put her first name in the appropriate place followed by (sp of [husband's first name or initial] and then in the surname box I put [husband's surname]) So, the () are in two different spaces. I believe you'll find that it is then found in the appropriate surname but it's obvious that it's not hers. Perhaps this will show as an example: Mary (sp of George Smith) Good luck. Karen On Monday, January 6, 2014 2:57 AM, Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.com wrote: I use [---?---] for an unknown surname regardless of gender. The beauty of Legacy is that I can have in Index view Show Alternate Names or Show Married Names activated and so my Mary [---?---] will appear in the list under her married name and I don't have to go searching too far for her. On 6 January 2014 19:34, David Newton lugda...@drdavid.plus.com wrote: Agreed but it can be difficult when you don't know the maiden name. I started by leaving it blank and then ended up with a collection of forenames at the front of my index. So I now go with the married surname and a title suffix of spouse. These have the advantage of showing in the index in a more appropriate place and also it is easy to produce a list by searching for suffix spouse On 06/01/2014 09:21, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote: SNIP And everyone PLEASE stop putting a womans married name in the surname box. her surname is/was her maiden name. When gedcoms are passed on or info taken from a source that has done that I diligently verify it only to find 98% are in fact having their married name entered in the surname box. SNIP Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] no issue in preferred marriage
I have come across a situation where the family member (wife) is the family member and the second wife of the husband. Accordingly I would set this as the preferred marriage. They had no children but I cannot enter this option by way of the tick box. Is this an issue with others? Thanks Bernie -- Bernie H Blog site http://haushornung.weebly.com/ Data site http://www3.telus.net/hornunghouse/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] no issue in preferred marriage
On the Marriage Information window, click This couple had o children Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Bernd Hornung ber@telus.net wrote: I have come across a situation where the family member (wife) is the family member and the second wife of the husband. Accordingly I would set this as the preferred marriage. They had no children but I cannot enter this option by way of the tick box. Is this an issue with others? Thanks Bernie Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Register for Webinar Wednesday - What is a One-Name Study and Why Do One? by Kirsty Gray
Join us this Wednesday, January 8, for a free webinar with Kirsty Gray, the Chairman of the Guild of One-Name Studies. She will present, Are You a GOON? What is a One-Name Study and Why Done One?http://www.familytreewebinars.com/webinar_details.php?webinar_id=202 *Webinar Description* A one-name study is a project researching all occurrences of a surname, as opposed to a particular pedigree (ancestors of one person) or descendancy (descendants of one person or couple). Some 'one-namers' restrict their research geographically, perhaps to one country, but true one-namers collect all occurrences worldwide. A charitable organisation, the Guild of One-Name Studies http://www.one-name.org/(GOONS) is dedicated to promoting the public understanding of one-name studies and the preservation and accessibility of the resultant information. Kirsty will guide you through the 'Seven Pillars of Wisdom' - the Art of a One-Name Study. Join us for the live webinar Wednesday, January 8, 2014 at 2pm Eastern U.S. Register today to reserve your virtual seat. *Registration is free but space is limited to the first 1,000 people to join that day.* Before joining, please visit www.java.com to ensure you have the latest version of Java which our webinar software requires. When you join, if you receive a message that the webinar is full, you know we've reached the 1,000 limit, so we invite you to view the recording which should be published to the webinar archives within an hour or two of the event's conclusion. [image: Registerbut]http://www.familytreewebinars.com/webinar_details.php?webinar_id=202 Or register for multiple webinars at once by clicking herehttp://www.familytreewebinars.com/upcoming-webinars-multireg.php . *Test Your Webinar Connection* To ensure that your webinar connection is ready to go, click herehttp://support.citrixonline.com/en_US/Webinar/help_files/G2W060001?title=Test+Your+Connection+before+Your+Session%7D . *Can't make it to the live event?* No worries. Its recording will be available for free indefinitely. Webinar Subscribers http://legacy.familytreewebinars.com/memberships-c11.php have unlimited access to all webinar recordings for the duration of their membership. *About the presenter* [image: Kgray-100]http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/.a/6a00d8341d219b53ef01a3fbc5b62a970b-pi Kirsty is a professional genealogist and Heir Hunter who runs her own research company Family Wise Limited (www.family-wise.co.uk). As a freelance author, she has published articles in family, local and social history magazines and handbooks across the globe. She has been researching the story of her paternal West Country family for many years and, having realised in the late 1990s that her eccentric hobby was called a one-name study, joined the Guild of One-Name Studies (registering the Sillifant surname) and soon became Secretary and then in 2010, the Chairman. In 2011, Kirsty took over from Penny Christensen as Director of English Studies for the National Institute for Genealogical Studies, updating previous courses and expanding the provision for online genealogical research courses about English records. Having published Tracing Your West Country Ancestors in 2013, Kirsty is now working on Tracing Your Industrial Ancestors with Pen and Sword Books and is a founder member and Chair of the Society for One-Place Studies, a new international society for family and local historians. Although a relative youngster in the field of genealogy, Kirsty has been involved in family history for almost two decades and has lectured on various stages from local to international. Having traded in her day job as a teacher to follow her passion, Kirsty is widely sought after as a family history tutor, lecturer and motivational speaker in the UK. Register for Kirsty's webinars: - Are You a GOON? What is a One-Name Study and Why Do One?http://www.familytreewebinars.com/webinar_details.php?webinar_id=202 Jan 8 - Searching for Surnames: Challenges, Pitfalls and the Downright Ridiculoushttp://www.familytreewebinars.com/webinar_details.php?webinar_id=204 Feb 26 *Add it to your Google Calendar* With our Google Calendar button, you will never forget our upcoming webinars. Simply click the button to add it to your calendar. You can then optionally embed the webinar events (and even turn them on and off) into your own personal calendar. If you have already added the calendar, you do not have to do it again - the new webinar events will automatically appear. http://www.google.com/calendar/render?cid=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fcalendar%2Ffeeds%2Flegacyfamilytree.com_1dbb76rklg9uqeajd75dr9odnk%2540group.calendar.google.com%2Fpublic%2Fbasic *Webinar time* The webinar will be live on Wednesday, January 8, 2014 at: - 7pm Wiltshire, England - 2pm Eastern (U.S.) - 1pm Central - 12pm Mountain - 11am Pacific - 7pm GMT Or use this Time Zone Converterhttp://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc . *Here's
Re: [LegacyUG] no issue in preferred marriage
False alarm. Got caught up in early Massachusetts looping families where they only used 5-6 first names and got lost. Now am found. Bernie On 06/01/2014 10:24 AM, Sherry/Support wrote: On the Marriage Information window, click This couple had o children Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Bernd Hornung ber@telus.net wrote: I have come across a situation where the family member (wife) is the family member and the second wife of the husband. Accordingly I would set this as the preferred marriage. They had no children but I cannot enter this option by way of the tick box. Is this an issue with others? Thanks Bernie Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- Bernie H Blog site http://haushornung.weebly.com/ Data site http://www3.telus.net/hornunghouse/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture
Sherry The method that the Picture Centre help files give are the same as what I have described, and give the result as I described. CE You have summed the situation up perfectly, why is it necessary to use such a convoluted process ? Jo Poi On 06 January 2014 at 1:06 AM, CE WOOD wrote: She is wondering why the convoluted process. It is a major pain to have to jump through so many hoops when most pictures have the same caption, date, and description. Considering Legacy is based on Access, it is possible to allow the entry at the Individual/Event/whatever level to carry over to the Picture Center and ALSO have a way to add specific details to a specific use of that picture. Programmers can do it; it's just a matter of doing it CE From: she...@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 14:14:45 -0800 When you're in Picture Center, if you add the Caption Date and Description to the Picture List tab, then it will be automatically added when you link a picture. If it's added to the Attached Pics tab, then it applies only to that instance you're linking to. This is fully explained in the Help file for Picture Center. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 7:21 AM, Jo Poi wrote: I'm curious to find ot why. If I go to Picture Centre and complete details on the picture of Caption/Date/Description. When I attach to any person from the Picture Centre the Caption/Date/Description all appear with the picture. But when I attach the same picture via the individual's information to for eg, an event or marriage picture or baptism picture, the Caption/Date/Description do not appear. As the 2nd method is a lot quicker/easier its natural to go this way, until I realise it is not the way to go. Why is it necessary to use the long way round ? Jo Poi Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture
If you have added the caption, date and description to the Picture List tab, then when you attach the picture, it should be showing on the Attached Pics tab. You have to add it to the Picture List tab *before* attaching the picture. This sticks and goes along with attaching the picture every time it's not at all convuluted! I've just linked the same picture to several individuals and every time the caption, date and description was transferred to the Attached Pic and I was able to confirm that in the Media Gallery for the individuals. However... the data is stored in the PicList.dbm file which is in the folder where the picture is stored. If you move the picture or rename it, you will lose the data stored in that file. If you move all pics in that folder to a new folder, then you need to make sure you move the PicList.dbm file as well. If you move part of the pics, there's no way to take the dbm file along with it. The programmers are trying to think of a better way to store the data to avoid this caveat Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Jo Poi jo...@hush.com wrote: Sherry The method that the Picture Centre help files give are the same as what I have described, and give the result as I described. CE You have summed the situation up perfectly, why is it necessary to use such a convoluted process ? Jo Poi Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] New computer: what order to do these?
On 6 January 2014 13:16, Duane Baker dbake...@yahoo.com wrote: What is the argument for keeping both V7 and V8 on the same computer? In my case, one of my Family Files is shared with someone who hasn't yet upgraded to V8 (and may never do so). Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture
It would not be convoluted if the info you add to a picture while editing the individual on the Individual page carried over to the Picture List. As it is now, you have to go to the Picture List itself to add the basic info to a picture. That means, you have to exit out of the individual, go to the Picture List, add the picture and info, then go back to the Individual/Event, and repeat this maneuver for each picture you add. That is convoluted. CE From: she...@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 11:02:48 -0800 If you have added the caption, date and description to the Picture List tab, then when you attach the picture, it should be showing on the Attached Pics tab. You have to add it to the Picture List tab *before* attaching the picture. This sticks and goes along with attaching the picture every time it's not at all convuluted! I've just linked the same picture to several individuals and every time the caption, date and description was transferred to the Attached Pic and I was able to confirm that in the Media Gallery for the individuals. However... the data is stored in the PicList.dbm file which is in the folder where the picture is stored. If you move the picture or rename it, you will lose the data stored in that file. If you move all pics in that folder to a new folder, then you need to make sure you move the PicList.dbm file as well. If you move part of the pics, there's no way to take the dbm file along with it. The programmers are trying to think of a better way to store the data to avoid this caveat Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Jo Poi jo...@hush.com wrote: Sherry The method that the Picture Centre help files give are the same as what I have described, and give the result as I described. CE You have summed the situation up perfectly, why is it necessary to use such a convoluted process ? Jo Poi Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture
In TNG when I load a picture with data in the IPTC fields (I use Irfanview to enter the data in the IPTC fields first) into TNG all the information is automatically pulled from the IPTC fields and displayed with the picture. In this picture for example http://bgibbard.ca/genealogy/showmedia.php?mediaID=4779 All the information shown in the grid below the picture was pulled automatically from the data stored inside the jpg itself. And if I change the data in the IPTC fields and refresh the page, the displayed data changes with it. Could something similar be done in Legacy? In that way even if the picture is moved the data is contained within it. Brant Gibbard Toronto, ON http://bgibbard.ca -Original Message- From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com] Sent: January-06-14 2:03 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture If you have added the caption, date and description to the Picture List tab, then when you attach the picture, it should be showing on the Attached Pics tab. You have to add it to the Picture List tab *before* attaching the picture. This sticks and goes along with attaching the picture every time it's not at all convuluted! I've just linked the same picture to several individuals and every time the caption, date and description was transferred to the Attached Pic and I was able to confirm that in the Media Gallery for the individuals. However... the data is stored in the PicList.dbm file which is in the folder where the picture is stored. If you move the picture or rename it, you will lose the data stored in that file. If you move all pics in that folder to a new folder, then you need to make sure you move the PicList.dbm file as well. If you move part of the pics, there's no way to take the dbm file along with it. The programmers are trying to think of a better way to store the data to avoid this caveat Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Jo Poi jo...@hush.com wrote: Sherry The method that the Picture Centre help files give are the same as what I have described, and give the result as I described. CE You have summed the situation up perfectly, why is it necessary to use such a convoluted process ? Jo Poi Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] File extensions
Sherry, Pursuing this a little further... I now have the new Legacy 8 installed on my primary desktop and also on a laptop - both using Windows 7 (32 bit on the desktop OS; 64 bit on the laptop). On my desktop version I have the following folder structure on my D drive where the following are stored: GENEALOGY STUFF Individuals Tombstone Photos Legacy Audio-Video Legacy Docs-Obits,Birth,Death,Marriage,Will Info This scheme worked fine on the desktop for Legacy 7.5. Legacy 8 links to these respective location(s) and contents for individuals. My problem is syncing isn't working as it did with Legacy 7.5. I use SugarSync2 (Nov 5 2013 version) to sync between my desktop and laptop. I can't seem to get the laptop Legacy 8 directed to the SugarSync2 location that contains the information referenced in the above noted structure. Unlike Legacy 7.5 where you could specify the path for Picture files; Sound files; Video files; Document files; Legacy 8 doesn't accommodate this having only the option 6.1 Default location of family files (which specifies the path where the photos, video, documents reside on the laptop) and 6.2 Default location of media files. Using Legacy 8's recommended Media Relinker on the laptop when trying to link to a specific file in one of these folders produces a list saying ALL my media files are missing! In addition, on my desktop I get a notice under the SugarSync2 View File Transfer Status that there are 4 files awaiting downloading from the laptop with a file extension of 2 each for .ldb and another 2 for ~Rc3.ldb. These NEVER get sync'd back to the desktop. Looking at the list of file extensions you mentioned in the HELP file I don't see a definition of what .ldb files are! In Legacy 7.5 there was no issue. I changed something in a Legacy entry on the desktop and it was sync'd with the laptop next time I logged on. Same going the other direction. A change in a Legacy entry on the laptop was sync'd with the desktop when I logged on next time. SugarSync2 took care of changes going both directions. This isn't the case with Legacy 8. I don't think this is a problem with the SugarSync2 application. It seems to be more of a problem of communication to Legacy 8 to recognize where the files are. Any thoughts? gc On Fri, 3 Jan 2014 12:38:11 -0800 Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com writes: Gary, If you go to the Help file in Legacy and look up File extensions you can find a list of all the files used in Legacy. Don't delete anything with your file name. Those files work with the data in your Family File. They have an older date because you may not have used the applicable feature for awhile (RGD = Research Guidance, CAL = calculated relationships, FG = focus group you've created) In fact, we don't recommend that you delete *anything* in the Legacy folders unless you *know* what it is (saved documents, etc) without direction from Support. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Is it possible to switch from IE to Firefox?
Is it possible to switch browsers from Internet Explorer to Firefox in Legacy 8? When I clicked on Watch Webinar it took me to IE; however, I would prefer to use Firefox. Archived messages indicate that the earlier version of Legacy used only IE. Is this still the case or is there a way now to change it to Firefox? Thanks Sally Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Is it possible to switch from IE to Firefox?
Links through the Legacy Home tab will default to IE if it doesn't run in the Legacy browser. Legacy uses low-level IE functions for links in the Legacy Home tab. You can change default browser in Legacy in Options Customize Launch, but that doesn't affect the Legacy Home tab. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Sally Smith sesmith...@comcast.net wrote: Is it possible to switch browsers from Internet Explorer to Firefox in Legacy 8? When I clicked on Watch Webinar it took me to IE; however, I would prefer to use Firefox. Archived messages indicate that the earlier version of Legacy used only IE. Is this still the case or is there a way now to change it to Firefox? Thanks Sally Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Is it possible to switch from IE to Firefox?
Does Legacy 8 have any problem with using Chrome or Opera 12.16 as default browsers? From: Sherry/Support [she...@legacyfamilytree.com] Sent: Monday, 06 January, 2014 01:59 PM To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Is it possible to switch from IE to Firefox? Links through the Legacy Home tab will default to IE if it doesn't run in the Legacy browser. Legacy uses low-level IE functions for links in the Legacy Home tab. You can change default browser in Legacy in Options Customize Launch, but that doesn't affect the Legacy Home tab. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Sally Smith sesmith...@comcast.net wrote: Is it possible to switch browsers from Internet Explorer to Firefox in Legacy 8? When I clicked on Watch Webinar it took me to IE; however, I would prefer to use Firefox. Archived messages indicate that the earlier version of Legacy used only IE. Is this still the case or is there a way now to change it to Firefox? Thanks Sally --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Chronology report - options not working
Thanks Brian, I have continued to tick and untick the options, and find that I can have bmd for whole family or events, but not both. For some females I do get both to show, but for random ones its one or the other. These are all events and bmd that occured during the selected persons lifespan. Looking forward to a solution, many thanks for your time. Carolyn Original message From: Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com Date: 07/01/2014 03:33 (GMT+12:00) To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Chronology report - options not working There is a known problem in Chronology view for females. The error is related to the setting for individual events in the chronology view. A problem report has been submitted to have this fixed. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 04-Jan-2014 10:12 PM, Carolyn wrote: Having just watched and thoroughly enjoyed Geoff’s webinar, I have been busily sharing events and have also switched on ‘include grandchildren’ in the chronology report. However for random direct females in my tree, eg both my grandmothers, it will include the shared events, but NOT include children, grandchildren or even birth and death of spouse. It will include all of these options in chronology reports reports for most people in my database. Have I missed a tick somewhere, has anyone else had the same problem and found the answer please? Many thanks. Carolyn Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Is it possible to switch from IE to Firefox?
You don't have to watch the webinar through your Legacy program. You could, in Firefox, go to the webinars page (http://www.familytreewebinars.com/) and watch the video there. The same goes for any other link in the Legacy News section of the Legacy Home tab - you can right-click on the link, select Copy shortcut, then switch to your preferred browser and paste (Ctrl-V or right-click Paste) the URL to the address bar there. Then press Enter or click on the icon/button that makes it fetch that page. You get much the same news items by subscribing to the Legacy News newsletter (subscribe at http://legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp), and clicking on links in those emails will see the page opened in your default browser. The exact content and timing is possibly different - I don't normally pay any attention to the news in the Home tab so can't say on that, but I do get the email newsletter and follow Legacy on Facebook. Having so many options (just like the program!) means we can all pick and choose what suits us. Hope this helps. :-) Wendy Sally Smith said the following on 7/01/2014 8:29 a.m.: Is it possible to switch browsers from Internet Explorer to Firefox in Legacy 8? When I clicked on Watch Webinar it took me to IE; however, I would prefer to use Firefox. Archived messages indicate that the earlier version of Legacy used only IE. Is this still the case or is there a way now to change it to Firefox? Thanks Sally Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture
You can add the picture to persons and their events within the Picture Center. I've never had to leave Picture Center to go to an individual to add pictures. Generally I add all the information to the pictures first before attaching them to any people. In the Picture List, you will first have to browse to the folder where your pictures are located then attach them. Bill Boswell From: CE WOOD [mailto:wood...@msn.com] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 2:14 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture It would not be convoluted if the info you add to a picture while editing the individual on the Individual page carried over to the Picture List. As it is now, you have to go to the Picture List itself to add the basic info to a picture. That means, you have to exit out of the individual, go to the Picture List, add the picture and info, then go back to the Individual/Event, and repeat this maneuver for each picture you add. That is convoluted. CE From: she...@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 11:02:48 -0800 If you have added the caption, date and description to the Picture List tab, then when you attach the picture, it should be showing on the Attached Pics tab. You have to add it to the Picture List tab *before* attaching the picture. This sticks and goes along with attaching the picture every time it's not at all convuluted! I've just linked the same picture to several individuals and every time the caption, date and description was transferred to the Attached Pic and I was able to confirm that in the Media Gallery for the individuals. However... the data is stored in the PicList.dbm file which is in the folder where the picture is stored. If you move the picture or rename it, you will lose the data stored in that file. If you move all pics in that folder to a new folder, then you need to make sure you move the PicList.dbm file as well. If you move part of the pics, there's no way to take the dbm file along with it. The programmers are trying to think of a better way to store the data to avoid this caveat Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Jo Poi jo...@hush.com wrote: Sherry The method that the Picture Centre help files give are the same as what I have described, and give the result as I described. CE You have summed the situation up perfectly, why is it necessary to use such a convoluted process ? Jo Poi Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] New computer: what order to do these?
Seriously, what is the argument for NOT keeping both V7 and V8 on the same computer? Charles From: Mary Young [mailto:m...@cmy.org.uk] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 2:08 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] New computer: what order to do these? On 6 January 2014 13:16, Duane Baker dbake...@yahoo.com wrote: What is the argument for keeping both V7 and V8 on the same computer? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c) I use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess. In my file I know that a 'Cal' date was *my* guess and did not come from any other source. Bob -Original Message- From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt I have now confused myself: Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890 Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818 Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 - source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth dates assuming parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child Any more suggestions please ? Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] New computer: what order to do these?
Charles, I must say that I have not yet removed V7, but in my view the argument for removing it is that for most of us, it serves no purpose. Since the file structures are different, one would need to main dual data entry if one was to keep both databases current. And, for most of us, that’s unnecessary and a waste of time. If one is not going to keep the database current, there is simply no reason to keep the program around. Just my two cents. Paul Gray From: Charles Apple [mailto:apple1...@centurylink.net] Sent: January-06-14 1:56 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] New computer: what order to do these? Seriously, what is the argument for NOT keeping both V7 and V8 on the same computer? Charles From: Mary Young [mailto:m...@cmy.org.uk] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 2:08 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] New computer: what order to do these? On 6 January 2014 13:16, Duane Baker dbake...@yahoo.com wrote: What is the argument for keeping both V7 and V8 on the same computer? _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6979 - Release Date: 01/06/14 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Gender colors
This works unless you have the children in Scrolling List (grid) view. Change the view, change the colours, then go back to Scrolling List (grid) view and the colours will be visable. Bob -Original Message- From: Brian/Support [mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com] Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 3:59 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Gender colors Options Change Colours click on any child's name to bring up the gender colour selections. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 06-Jan-2014 1:54 AM, Robert57P_gmail wrote: Where do I change the color of male, female, unknown? I can find it in ver 7.5, but can not find it in version 8. I like to go with the stereotypical colors Blue = boy pink (or red) = girl purple = unknown (combination of blue/red) Thanks, Bob Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] New computer: what order to do these?
Paul, Point well taken, thank you. Although, I have not yet removed V7, I have been considering the extraneous work that would be required to maintain both databases, as well as the necessity of that extra work. Charles From: Paul Gray [mailto:graypa...@outlook.com] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 4:43 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] New computer: what order to do these? Charles, I must say that I have not yet removed V7, but in my view the argument for removing it is that for most of us, it serves no purpose. Since the file structures are different, one would need to main dual data entry if one was to keep both databases current. And, for most of us, that’s unnecessary and a waste of time. If one is not going to keep the database current, there is simply no reason to keep the program around. Just my two cents. Paul Gray Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Report Settings
V8 8.0.0.367 -Descendant Narrative Report has Noted Events indented 2.75, nearly half-way across the page, for every generation. I don't like to waste paper when printing Reports. My preference for each generation indent is 0.3, and I'd like to indent Noted Events by 0.3 within each person's entry. Can this be selected somewhere? Thanks Mary Young Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
Bob, You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not a calculated date. Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a calculated date. However you use the program within your PC. and is best for you ..is great. But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take into consideration that others will never know you changed the expected data. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net wrote: If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c) I use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess. In my file I know that a 'Cal' date was *my* guess and did not come from any other source. Bob -Original Message- From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt I have now confused myself: Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890 Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818 Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 - source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth dates assuming parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child Any more suggestions please ? Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Report Settings
Mary, Open the Descendant Narrative Report menu. under Options Indent each gen. (input your preference here) inches I use 0.3 On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Mary Young m...@cmy.org.uk wrote: V8 8.0.0.367 -Descendant Narrative Report has Noted Events indented 2.75, nearly half-way across the page, for every generation. I don't like to waste paper when printing Reports. My preference for each generation indent is 0.3, and I'd like to indent Noted Events by 0.3 within each person's entry. Can this be selected somewhere? Thanks Mary Young Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
Parentheses and brackets are different. You used parentheses; is that what you meant to say? CE From: rgaus...@telus.net To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 13:48:31 -0800 Another common method is to use the married (husband's) name in brackets - Jane married John Doe, use Jane (Doe). Bob -Original Message- From: David Newton [mailto:lugda...@drdavid.plus.com] Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 1:35 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt Agreed but it can be difficult when you don't know the maiden name. I started by leaving it blank and then ended up with a collection of forenames at the front of my index. So I now go with the married surname and a title suffix of spouse. These have the advantage of showing in the index in a more appropriate place and also it is easy to produce a list by searching for suffix spouse On 06/01/2014 09:21, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote: SNIP And everyone PLEASE stop putting a womans married name in the surname box. her surname is/was her maiden name. When gedcoms are passed on or info taken from a source that has done that I diligently verify it only to find 98% are in fact having their married name entered in the surname box. SNIP Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
What American English calls parentheses, British English calls (round) brackets. --Charlene On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 4:54 PM, CE WOOD wood...@msn.com wrote: Parentheses and brackets are different. You used parentheses; is that what you meant to say? CE From: rgaus...@telus.net To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 13:48:31 -0800 Another common method is to use the married (husband's) name in brackets - Jane married John Doe, use Jane (Doe). Bob -Original Message- From: David Newton [mailto:lugda...@drdavid.plus.com] Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 1:35 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt Agreed but it can be difficult when you don't know the maiden name. I started by leaving it blank and then ended up with a collection of forenames at the front of my index. So I now go with the married surname and a title suffix of spouse. These have the advantage of showing in the index in a more appropriate place and also it is easy to produce a list by searching for suffix spouse On 06/01/2014 09:21, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote: SNIP And everyone PLEASE stop putting a womans married name in the surname box. her surname is/was her maiden name. When gedcoms are passed on or info taken from a source that has done that I diligently verify it only to find 98% are in fact having their married name entered in the surname box. SNIP Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Font request at startup
I downloaded LFT8 a few days ago. Every time I start the program I get a screen for selecting the fonts. What do I need to do differently to stop this? Thanks. Karen Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture
Also, I have thousands of pictures for locations, which for me, includes abbeys, castles, churches, maps (used for old empires, battlefields), graveyards, etc. I attach those pictures in the Master Location list. I can't attach pictures to a location in Picture List, only to a person. If someone is buried in Tintern Abbey, I do not want a picture of Tintern Abbey attached to the individual; I want it attached to Tintern Abbey. Can't do that in Picture List. CE From: whbosw...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 18:18:02 -0500 I would only use the Picture Center if I have a lot of images to add to different people, otherwise I would do it on the Individual page too. Bill Boswell From: CE WOOD [mailto:wood...@msn.com] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 4:00 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture Hmmm I add individuals and their events on the Individual page, adding the pictures at the same time as I add the events, which is the easiest way to do it. CE From: whbosw...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 15:51:17 -0500You can add the picture to persons and their events within the Picture Center. I've never had to leave Picture Center to go to an individual to add pictures. Generally I add all the information to the pictures first before attaching them to any people. In the Picture List, you will first have to browse to the folder where your pictures are located then attach them. Bill Boswell Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Data files
I recently upgraded to Legacy 8. (I have not yet unlocked the Deluxe version) I have two separate databases for my paternal and maternal sides of my family. I have not done much with my maternal side in the last few years. Now I want to look at my maternal file, which I've used with Leg 7.5 within the last few months. With Leg 7, when I attempted to open a database, it would show me the last two or three files I had used. But Leg 8 gives me a whole *slew* of files and I don't know which is the most recent. Any ideas on how I can determine that? Thanks, Pat Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Data files
if you're looking at the recently used list, the one at the top is the most recent, the one at the bottom is the oldest Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Pat Hickin pph...@gmail.com wrote: I recently upgraded to Legacy 8. (I have not yet unlocked the Deluxe version) I have two separate databases for my paternal and maternal sides of my family. I have not done much with my maternal side in the last few years. Now I want to look at my maternal file, which I've used with Leg 7.5 within the last few months. With Leg 7, when I attempted to open a database, it would show me the last two or three files I had used. But Leg 8 gives me a whole slew of files and I don't know which is the most recent. Any ideas on how I can determine that? Thanks, Pat Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
Thanks Charlene :) -Original Message- From: Charlene C [mailto:charlene...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 3:02 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt What American English calls parentheses, British English calls (round) brackets. --Charlene On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 4:54 PM, CE WOOD wood...@msn.com wrote: Parentheses and brackets are different. You used parentheses; is that what you meant to say? CE From: rgaus...@telus.net To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 13:48:31 -0800 Another common method is to use the married (husband's) name in brackets - Jane married John Doe, use Jane (Doe). Bob -Original Message- From: David Newton [mailto:lugda...@drdavid.plus.com] Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 1:35 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt Agreed but it can be difficult when you don't know the maiden name. I started by leaving it blank and then ended up with a collection of forenames at the front of my index. So I now go with the married surname and a title suffix of spouse. These have the advantage of showing in the index in a more appropriate place and also it is easy to produce a list by searching for suffix spouse On 06/01/2014 09:21, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote: SNIP And everyone PLEASE stop putting a womans married name in the surname box. her surname is/was her maiden name. When gedcoms are passed on or info taken from a source that has done that I diligently verify it only to find 98% are in fact having their married name entered in the surname box. SNIP Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Data files
In the upper left corner of the screen is a button called System. Click on that to see the list of the most recently used files. And, as Sherry pointed out, the one at the top is the most recently used file. Joseph Leavitt On 1/6/2014 4:05 PM, Pat Hickin wrote: I recently upgraded to Legacy 8. (I have not yet unlocked the Deluxe version) I have two separate databases for my paternal and maternal sides of my family. I have not done much with my maternal side in the last few years. Now I want to look at my maternal file, which I've used with Leg 7.5 within the last few months. With Leg 7, when I attempted to open a database, it would show me the last two or three files I had used. But Leg 8 gives me a whole /slew/ of files and I don't know which is the most recent. Any ideas on how I can determine that? Thanks, Pat Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Data files
Well, but, I date my files and the first one listed is not the most recently modified file! Also, I don't see a button that says System. So now what?? Pat On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:00 PM, JV Leavitt jleavi...@att.net wrote: In the upper left corner of the screen is a button called System. Click on that to see the list of the most recently used files. And, as Sherry pointed out, the one at the top is the most recently used file. Joseph Leavitt On 1/6/2014 4:05 PM, Pat Hickin wrote: I recently upgraded to Legacy 8. (I have not yet unlocked the Deluxe version) I have two separate databases for my paternal and maternal sides of my family. I have not done much with my maternal side in the last few years. Now I want to look at my maternal file, which I've used with Leg 7.5 within the last few months. With Leg 7, when I attempted to open a database, it would show me the last two or three files I had used. But Leg 8 gives me a whole /slew/ of files and I don't know which is the most recent. Any ideas on how I can determine that? Thanks, Pat Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
First post here. This has been an interesting thread. I have a woman whose maiden name I do not know. For the given name I entered Maria (maiden name unknown), and the surname entered was Barbie. Now I'm wondering if I do an internet search through Legacy, will the (maiden name unknown) be the reason I might get zero hits? If so, is there another way that will give better results? Ed On Monday, January 6, 2014 6:47 PM, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net wrote: Thanks Charlene :) -Original Message- From: Charlene C [mailto:charlene...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 3:02 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt What American English calls parentheses, British English calls (round) brackets. --Charlene On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 4:54 PM, CE WOOD wood...@msn.com wrote: Parentheses and brackets are different. You used parentheses; is that what you meant to say? CE From: rgaus...@telus.net To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 13:48:31 -0800 Another common method is to use the married (husband's) name in brackets - Jane married John Doe, use Jane (Doe). Bob -Original Message- From: David Newton [mailto:lugda...@drdavid.plus.com] Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 1:35 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt Agreed but it can be difficult when you don't know the maiden name. I started by leaving it blank and then ended up with a collection of forenames at the front of my index. So I now go with the married surname and a title suffix of spouse. These have the advantage of showing in the index in a more appropriate place and also it is easy to produce a list by searching for suffix spouse On 06/01/2014 09:21, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote: SNIP And everyone PLEASE stop putting a womans married name in the surname box. her surname is/was her maiden name. When gedcoms are passed on or info taken from a source that has done that I diligently verify it only to find 98% are in fact having their married name entered in the surname box. SNIP Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Data files
Hi Pat, If I'm reading you correctly, you want to open a file in Legacy v8 that you've not opened in v8 before, and you're not sure which file to open? If you've never opened this file in v8, the list of recently opened files there is not going to help you. (For future reference, you reach this in v8 by clicking on the blue L in the top left-hand corner.) Is it because you don't know what folder the file is in? Or that you don't know what the file is called? Or both? Wendy Pat Hickin said the following on 7/01/2014 2:20 p.m.: Well, but, I date my files and the first one listed is not the most recently modified file! Also, I don't see a button that says System. So now what?? Pat On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:00 PM, JV Leavitt jleavi...@att.net mailto:jleavi...@att.net wrote: In the upper left corner of the screen is a button called System. Click on that to see the list of the most recently used files. And, as Sherry pointed out, the one at the top is the most recently used file. Joseph Leavitt On 1/6/2014 4:05 PM, Pat Hickin wrote: I recently upgraded to Legacy 8. (I have not yet unlocked the Deluxe version) I have two separate databases for my paternal and maternal sides of my family. I have not done much with my maternal side in the last few years. Now I want to look at my maternal file, which I've used with Leg 7.5 within the last few months. With Leg 7, when I attempted to open a database, it would show me the last two or three files I had used. But Leg 8 gives me a whole /slew/ of files and I don't know which is the most recent. Any ideas on how I can determine that? Thanks, Pat Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Data files
Thank you, Sherry, for clarifying my statement. I forgot about the difference in that button when different styles are chosen. You're the best. Joseph Leavitt On 1/6/2014 6:00 PM, Sherry/Support wrote: It's the 10 last *viewed*, not modified. In the upper left corner you'll find either a System button or a round L button, depending on the style chosen under Design Styles (upper right corner) Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Pat Hickin pph...@gmail.com wrote: Well, but, I date my files and the first one listed is not the most recently modified file! Also, I don't see a button that says System. So now what?? Pat Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Data files
I have the round L button -- but now I don't see the DesignStyles -- I looked in Help for Design and there is nothing. Pat On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:00 PM, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.comwrote: It's the 10 last *viewed*, not modified. In the upper left corner you'll find either a System button or a round L button, depending on the style chosen under Design Styles (upper right corner) Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Pat Hickin pph...@gmail.com wrote: Well, but, I date my files and the first one listed is not the most recently modified file! Also, I don't see a button that says System. So now what?? Pat Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Data files
Far top right is the Design button. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Pat Hickin pph...@gmail.com wrote: I have the round L button -- but now I don't see the DesignStyles -- I looked in Help for Design and there is nothing. Pat On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:00 PM, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: It's the 10 last *viewed*, not modified. In the upper left corner you'll find either a System button or a round L button, depending on the style chosen under Design Styles (upper right corner) Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
Hi Jay, Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’, and when/how do the rest of you use the term? I’ve not seen it used for another particular purpose, so I am interested in knowing how you understand it and what others are expecting to see by that. Would you use ‘Est’ as a guess/fill in date? I also use FTM and the default is to change circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt. I want to differentiate between that terminology and my guess. I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) and will most often put in an estimated date or a range (also an estimate/guess) to better sort the individual. Bob From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt Bob, You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not a calculated date. Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a calculated date. However you use the program within your PC. and is best for you ..is great. But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take into consideration that others will never know you changed the expected data. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net wrote: If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c) I use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess. In my file I know that a 'Cal' date was *my* guess and did not come from any other source. Bob -Original Message- From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt I have now confused myself: Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890 Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818 Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 - source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth dates assuming parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child Any more suggestions please ? Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
As one of the rest of you, allow me to pipe in here. I suppose an honest, though humorous entry would be guess instead of Estimated, but Estimated means the same to me anyway. Moreover, I have come to regard the term about, or abt to mean 'guess,' since, most of the time, you find it to have been a (wild) guess. Sometimes it is based on an often used formula, but isn't that also a guess? I rather like using the term Estimated. I must admit that I've used Est as an abbreviation for that, but since I've learned from this list that some of you think that Est means Established, I will, in the future, spell it out. sigh Joseph Leavitt On 1/6/2014 6:46 PM, Bob Austen wrote: Hi Jay, Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’, and when/how do the rest of you use the term? I’ve not seen it used for another particular purpose, so I am interested in knowing how you understand it and what others are expecting to see by that. Would you use ‘Est’ as a guess/fill in date?I also use FTM and the default is to change circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt. I want to differentiate between that terminology and my guess. I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) and will most often put in an estimated date or a range (also an estimate/guess) to better sort the individual. Bob *From:*Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt Bob, You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not a calculated date. Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a calculated date. However you use the program within your PC. and is best for you ..is great. But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take into consideration that others will never know you changed the expected data. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net mailto:rgaus...@telus.net wrote: If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c) I use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess. In my file I know that a 'Cal' date was *my* guess and did not come from any other source. Bob -Original Message- From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt I have now confused myself: Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890 Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818 Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 - source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth dates assuming parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child Any more suggestions please ? Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009:
RE: [LegacyUG] Updateing from Legacy 7 to Legacy 8
Could someone tell me what the A with a hat on means – and I can hear you all laughing !!! Remember when starting we were all told that there is no silly question in genealogy !! Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney From: anair...@insightbb.com [mailto:anair...@insightbb.com] Sent: Sunday, 5 January 2014 3:47 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Updateing from Legacy 7 to Legacy 8 I keep My Documents folder in Dropbox and have for a long time.  I want to add that Legacy 8 installed these folders perfectly in Dropbox/My Documents/LegacyFamily Tree. Thus I have a constant backup it can be accessed by all my computers.  Thank you Legacy On 1/4/2014 10:31 AM, Paula Ryburn wrote: Cathy,  This explanation is excellent!  A keeper, for when I finally upgrade.  It does indeed clarify the upgrade process and foundational changes that come with v8.  THANKS!  --Paula in Texas From: Cathy Pinner genea...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Updateing from Legacy 7 to Legacy 8 Hi Bob, The change with Legacy 8 is that the program itself is installed to Program Files. A folder is created in My Documents called Legacy Family Tree. In that folder is a folder called _AppData. This folder contains all your settings. You cannot place this folder anywhere else. If you move it, it will be recreated when you open Legacy next and you will have lost your specific settings and be back with the defaults. In that folder (Documents/Legacy Family Tree) is also a folder for Data and a folder for Media populated with the Sample File and the Sample File pictures. You can use these folders for your own data or put your own data wherever you like. If you know you have good backups of your Legacy 7 data and you are happy with where the Legacy 7 data is, you can convert the files where they are. You can't go back from Legacy 8 so without a good backup, you can't still use Legacy 7 for that report you must have today but find there is a bug in Legacy 8. I wouldn't convert files where they are but I'm a belt and braces person when it comes to important data. Most likely wherever the converted file is you'll find your media is still all linked. If you want your data somewhere other than where your Legacy 7 data is or the new default location THEN you need to open Legacy 8 with the Sample file and change the Default Location for data in the options - customise 6.1 BEFORE asking to open your own file(s). Legacy 8 will offer to copy it to the Default Data Location - whatever is listed in 6.1 and convert it there. Note that all the Options - Customise settings now have a number. Some people find that some or all of the media is not still linked. This is because over the years the exact way the link has been saved has changed and if you've never shifted the media, Legacy has been very accommodating. The programmers realised that by being so accommodating, they were sometimes linking to a different photo of the same name so have made changes to ensure this doesn't happen. If some or all of your media isn't linked after the conversion, using the Media Relinker Tool is the easiest way to go. Those reading this who have been using the old Legacy defaults of C:\Legacy\Data ad C:\Legacy\Pictures etc would be wise to let Legacy 8 help you move to the new defaults with the conversion open to copy the file to the new default and then convert - and the Gather my Media Tool to copy your media if you're not confident with using Windows/File Explorer to move files around. Does that clarify at all? Cathy  At 05:16 AM 17/12/2013, you wrote: I too have been curious about this. The folder structure of Legacy 7 and earlier was different from what I've seen/heard for Legacy 8. For Legacy 7 and earlier I believe the default was: Data docs pictures sounds videos (Or was Data folder, by default, at the same level as the others . . . I forget) But with Legacy 8 it appears it is: main folder data media Do pictures, sounds, videos, and docs all default to this one media folder now? (assuming one starts from scratch and accepts the defaults.) I do not see a way to individually specify these individual media locations under Legacy 8 - all I see is ONE setting at 6.2. Do they get stored in sub-folders under media, such as: media/pictures media/docs media/video media/sounds What about when I open my Legacy 7 file using Legacy 8 and it converts it and makes a brand new database, does it move EVERYTHING to the new location(s)? Or are my pictures left at their old location? Personally, I've always created this folder structure to avoid the windows rules when it gets stored under My Documents. This allowed others to more easily get to the files if they logged into my computer under their name. windata legacy7 ,,,PattonTree ,,,...Data ,,,...Docs
RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
An example of a Calculated Date is a Birth Date determined from a Date of Death and an Age at Death given in years, months and days. From: Bob Austen [mailto:rgaus...@telus.net] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 8:47 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt Hi Jay, Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’, and when/how do the rest of you use the term? I’ve not seen it used for another particular purpose, so I am interested in knowing how you understand it and what others are expecting to see by that. Would you use ‘Est’ as a guess/fill in date? I also use FTM and the default is to change circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt. I want to differentiate between that terminology and my guess. I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) and will most often put in an estimated date or a range (also an estimate/guess) to better sort the individual. Bob From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt Bob, You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not a calculated date. Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a calculated date. However you use the program within your PC. and is best for you ..is great. But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take into consideration that others will never know you changed the expected data. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net wrote: If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c) I use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess. In my file I know that a 'Cal' date was *my* guess and did not come from any other source. Bob -Original Message- From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt I have now confused myself: Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890 Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818 Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 - source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth dates assuming parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child Any more suggestions please ? Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages
RE: [LegacyUG] Updateing from Legacy 7 to Legacy 8
It’s a format control or other character (I’ve seen apostrophes translated to it) that hasn’t translated properly from one email system to another. From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 9:55 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Updateing from Legacy 7 to Legacy 8 Could someone tell me what the A with a hat on means – and I can hear you all laughing !!! Remember when starting we were all told that there is no silly question in genealogy !! Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney From: anair...@insightbb.com [mailto:anair...@insightbb.com] Sent: Sunday, 5 January 2014 3:47 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Updateing from Legacy 7 to Legacy 8 I keep My Documents folder in Dropbox and have for a long time.  I want to add that Legacy 8 installed these folders perfectly in Dropbox/My Documents/LegacyFamily Tree. Thus I have a constant backup it can be accessed by all my computers.  Thank you Legacy On 1/4/2014 10:31 AM, Paula Ryburn wrote: Cathy,  This explanation is excellent!  A keeper, for when I finally upgrade.  It does indeed clarify the upgrade process and foundational changes that come with v8.  THANKS!  --Paula in Texas From: Cathy Pinner genea...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Updateing from Legacy 7 to Legacy 8 Hi Bob, The change with Legacy 8 is that the program itself is installed to Program Files. A folder is created in My Documents called Legacy Family Tree. In that folder is a folder called _AppData. This folder contains all your settings. You cannot place this folder anywhere else. If you move it, it will be recreated when you open Legacy next and you will have lost your specific settings and be back with the defaults. In that folder (Documents/Legacy Family Tree) is also a folder for Data and a folder for Media populated with the Sample File and the Sample File pictures. You can use these folders for your own data or put your own data wherever you like. If you know you have good backups of your Legacy 7 data and you are happy with where the Legacy 7 data is, you can convert the files where they are. You can't go back from Legacy 8 so without a good backup, you can't still use Legacy 7 for that report you must have today but find there is a bug in Legacy 8. I wouldn't convert files where they are but I'm a belt and braces person when it comes to important data. Most likely wherever the converted file is you'll find your media is still all linked. If you want your data somewhere other than where your Legacy 7 data is or the new default location THEN you need to open Legacy 8 with the Sample file and change the Default Location for data in the options - customise 6.1 BEFORE asking to open your own file(s). Legacy 8 will offer to copy it to the Default Data Location - whatever is listed in 6.1 and convert it there. Note that all the Options - Customise settings now have a number. Some people find that some or all of the media is not still linked. This is because over the years the exact way the link has been saved has changed and if you've never shifted the media, Legacy has been very accommodating. The programmers realised that by being so accommodating, they were sometimes linking to a different photo of the same name so have made changes to ensure this doesn't happen. If some or all of your media isn't linked after the conversion, using the Media Relinker Tool is the easiest way to go. Those reading this who have been using the old Legacy defaults of C:\Legacy\Data ad C:\Legacy\Pictures etc would be wise to let Legacy 8 help you move to the new defaults with the conversion open to copy the file to the new default and then convert - and the Gather my Media Tool to copy your media if you're not confident with using Windows/File Explorer to move files around. Does that clarify at all? Cathy  At 05:16 AM 17/12/2013, you wrote: I too have been curious about this. The folder structure of Legacy 7 and earlier was different from what I've seen/heard for Legacy 8. For Legacy 7 and earlier I believe the default was: Data ...docs ...pictures ...sounds ...videos (Or was Data folder, by default, at the same level as the others . . . I forget) But with Legacy 8 it appears it is: main folder ...data ...media Do pictures, sounds, videos, and docs all default to this one media folder now? (assuming one starts from scratch and accepts the defaults.) I do not see a way to individually specify these individual media locations under Legacy 8 - all I see is ONE setting at 6.2. Do they get stored in sub-folders under media, such as: ...media/pictures ...media/docs ...media/video ...media/sounds What about when I open my Legacy 7 file using Legacy 8 and it converts it and makes a brand new database, does it move EVERYTHING to the new location(s)? Or are my pictures left
[LegacyUG] Short locations and Remove Quoted Given names
When Short Location Names on Screens is set from Options Customise 8.3, the locations are shown in short form on the Family screen, Pedigree (in the pop-up boxes), on the Descendants screen and Index screens. On the Chronology screen they have to be set separately from Options Display options Formatting. This is a bit of an anomaly but at least it works. However in Legacy Charting there does not appear to be any provision for short locations, and this is a situation with limited space where short locations would be very useful. This could be one the items under Appearance Box items Item options. In the same vein, Charting has no provision to Remove Quoted Given Names, which would tidy up the data presentation and leave a bit more space. Have I overlooked a setup option somewhere? Do I have any support to make a couple of suggestion to Legacy, or are these items already somewhere in the pipeline? Boyd --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Data files
Thanks, Sherry, I found the design button! And, Wendy, You're right, I don't know the name of the file or the folder, though I think that with all your help I have now found the file! Thanks! Pat On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.comwrote: Far top right is the Design button. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Pat Hickin pph...@gmail.com wrote: I have the round L button -- but now I don't see the DesignStyles -- I looked in Help for Design and there is nothing. Pat On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:00 PM, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: It's the 10 last *viewed*, not modified. In the upper left corner you'll find either a System button or a round L button, depending on the style chosen under Design Styles (upper right corner) Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
I regard Circa or About as an approximate date based on supplied data of some significance - say a census, birth/death/marriage certificate - where the date can be closely determined. Example, if a marriage took place in 1921 and the bride's age was shown as 21 years one could assume her birth to be about 1900 (likely 1899-1900). I would enter this as c 1900. Her birth would be expected to be at least 21 years, and not more than 22 years, prior to the marriage date. She could have been born in 1899! Did I calculate this date? No... I determined/derived her birth based on the given data. Calculate must have a more significant meaning than simple addition (math). So I am looking for an acceptable, cross platform (other programs), term that I can simply put in as an approximate date (guess/best estimate) that won't be misinterpreted by others viewing my data. Apparently Est is not acceptable and it seems that Calculated has a specific meaning of which I am not privy to. I would like to know what that meaning is and the accepted norm for its usage. Sorry, I really am at a loss on this, especially when it seems everyone else will assume Cal to be a calculated date. Bob -Original Message- From: JV Leavitt [mailto:jleavi...@att.net] Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 7:27 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt As one of the rest of you, allow me to pipe in here. I suppose an honest, though humorous entry would be guess instead of Estimated, but Estimated means the same to me anyway. Moreover, I have come to regard the term about, or abt to mean 'guess,' since, most of the time, you find it to have been a (wild) guess. Sometimes it is based on an often used formula, but isn't that also a guess? I rather like using the term Estimated. I must admit that I've used Est as an abbreviation for that, but since I've learned from this list that some of you think that Est means Established, I will, in the future, spell it out. sigh Joseph Leavitt On 1/6/2014 6:46 PM, Bob Austen wrote: Hi Jay, Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’, and when/how do the rest of you use the term? I’ve not seen it used for another particular purpose, so I am interested in knowing how you understand it and what others are expecting to see by that. Would you use ‘Est’ as a guess/fill in date?I also use FTM and the default is to change circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt. I want to differentiate between that terminology and my guess. I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) and will most often put in an estimated date or a range (also an estimate/guess) to better sort the individual. Bob *From:*Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt Bob, You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not a calculated date. Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a calculated date. However you use the program within your PC. and is best for you ..is great. But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take into consideration that others will never know you changed the expected data. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net mailto:rgaus...@telus.net wrote: If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c) I use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess. In my file I know that a 'Cal' date was *my* guess and did not come from any other source. Bob -Original Message- From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt I have now confused myself: Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890 Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818 Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 - source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth dates assuming parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child Any more suggestions please ? Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook
RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
I agree with Kurt for calculated. I usually only use that when I have used the date calculator. I stick close to the dictionary definitions below. About - near in time, approximately. Example: In a 1900 census a child is listed as 7 so I use about 1893 for birth year. Estimate - to form an approximate judgment or opinion. Example: A child is said to be 18 months old when his sister was born and I know her birth date is March 20, 1882 so I estimate his birth date to be September 1880. Calculated - determined or ascertained by mathematical methods. Example: A Birth Date determined from a Date of Death and an Age at Death given in years, months and days using the date calculator. Larry Lee On Jan 6, 2014 9:03 PM, Kurt Kneeland kurt-kneel...@sbcglobal.net wrote: An example of a Calculated Date is a Birth Date determined from a Date of Death and an Age at Death given in years, months and days. *From:* Bob Austen [mailto:rgaus...@telus.net] *Sent:* Monday, January 06, 2014 8:47 PM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt Hi Jay, Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’, and when/how do the rest of you use the term? I’ve not seen it used for another particular purpose, so I am interested in knowing how you understand it and what others are expecting to see by that. Would you use ‘Est’ as a guess/fill in date?I also use FTM and the default is to change circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt. I want to differentiate between that terminology and my guess. I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) and will most often put in an estimated date or a range (also an estimate/guess) to better sort the individual. Bob *From:* Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com1familytree@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt Bob, You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not a calculated date. Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a calculated date. However you use the program within your PC. and is best for you ..is great. But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take into consideration that others will never know you changed the expected data. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net wrote: If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c) I use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess. In my file I know that a 'Cal' date was *my* guess and did not come from any other source. Bob -Original Message- From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt I have now confused myself: Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890 Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818 Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 - source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth dates assuming parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child Any more suggestions please ? Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support:
RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
Thanks Kurt, I didn’t see this before my last email. I can see, from your example, where one could ‘calculate’ the birth date (month, day, year) given that data. However, If the Age at Death only gave ‘years’ then the birth could only be given as the year (about) and thus, not calculated.Seems a very limited usage for the term. Larry Lee, excellent answer, thank you. Thanks List, probably enough press on this subject. Bob From: Kurt Kneeland [mailto:kurt-kneel...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 8:02 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt An example of a Calculated Date is a Birth Date determined from a Date of Death and an Age at Death given in years, months and days. From: Bob Austen [mailto:rgaus...@telus.net] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 8:47 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt Hi Jay, Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’, and when/how do the rest of you use the term? I’ve not seen it used for another particular purpose, so I am interested in knowing how you understand it and what others are expecting to see by that. Would you use ‘Est’ as a guess/fill in date? I also use FTM and the default is to change circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt. I want to differentiate between that terminology and my guess. I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) and will most often put in an estimated date or a range (also an estimate/guess) to better sort the individual. Bob From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt Bob, You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not a calculated date. Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a calculated date. However you use the program within your PC. and is best for you ..is great. But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take into consideration that others will never know you changed the expected data. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net wrote: If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c) I use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess. In my file I know that a 'Cal' date was *my* guess and did not come from any other source. Bob -Original Message- From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt I have now confused myself: Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890 Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818 Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 - source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth dates assuming parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child Any more suggestions please ? Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User
Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
A Calculated date would most usually be a date of birth that is calculated from the date of death as some times stated on older death records. Like a person who died on Nov. 4, 1975 and his tombstone reads aged 51 Years, 9 Months 18 days. Since there is no birth record to substantiate an exact date, the date should be listed as Cal. Jan 22, 1824. Many young infants who have death records and no birth records can be found are often using a calculated birth date based upon the age notaded in the death register. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net wrote: Hi Jay, Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’, and when/how do the rest of you use the term? I’ve not seen it used for another particular purpose, so I am interested in knowing how you understand it and what others are expecting to see by that. Would you use ‘Est’ as a guess/fill in date?I also use FTM and the default is to change circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt. I want to differentiate between that terminology and my guess. I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) and will most often put in an estimated date or a range (also an estimate/guess) to better sort the individual. Bob *From:* Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt Bob, You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not a calculated date. Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a calculated date. However you use the program within your PC. and is best for you ..is great. But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take into consideration that others will never know you changed the expected data. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net wrote: If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c) I use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess. In my file I know that a 'Cal' date was *my* guess and did not come from any other source. Bob -Original Message- From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt I have now confused myself: Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890 Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818 Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 - source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth dates assuming parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child Any more suggestions please ? Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online
RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
Many thanks, I see the significance. From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 9:43 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt A Calculated date would most usually be a date of birth that is calculated from the date of death as some times stated on older death records. Like a person who died on Nov. 4, 1975 and his tombstone reads aged 51 Years, 9 Months 18 days. Since there is no birth record to substantiate an exact date, the date should be listed as Cal. Jan 22, 1824. Many young infants who have death records and no birth records can be found are often using a calculated birth date based upon the age notaded in the death register. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net wrote: Hi Jay, Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’, and when/how do the rest of you use the term? I’ve not seen it used for another particular purpose, so I am interested in knowing how you understand it and what others are expecting to see by that. Would you use ‘Est’ as a guess/fill in date? I also use FTM and the default is to change circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt. I want to differentiate between that terminology and my guess. I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) and will most often put in an estimated date or a range (also an estimate/guess) to better sort the individual. Bob From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt Bob, You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not a calculated date. Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a calculated date. However you use the program within your PC. and is best for you ..is great. But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take into consideration that others will never know you changed the expected data. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net wrote: If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c) I use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess. In my file I know that a 'Cal' date was *my* guess and did not come from any other source. Bob -Original Message- From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt I have now confused myself: Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890 Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818 Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 - source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth dates assuming parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child Any more suggestions please ? Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009:
Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
Bob, In the example you provided I would think that either Abt. or Cir. (Circa) would both work fine. They both imply that the actual date should be around that time. Remember, your basing her age of 21 as someone else estimation or did the other person have specific data to know her true age. Maybe she was 25 but looked 21? As a general rule of thumb I use the about in almost all circumstances, I do use Circa, but that is usually only for implication of a date for a spouse. There are no black and white rules here, but it is best to try to avoid potential confusion in consideration that many persons who eventually will see, use, save, share your data may not be privy to your specific instances of how you applied each term. Jay On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:42 PM, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net wrote: I regard Circa or About as an approximate date based on supplied data of some significance - say a census, birth/death/marriage certificate - where the date can be closely determined. Example, if a marriage took place in 1921 and the bride's age was shown as 21 years one could assume her birth to be about 1900 (likely 1899-1900). I would enter this as c 1900. Her birth would be expected to be at least 21 years, and not more than 22 years, prior to the marriage date. She could have been born in 1899! Did I calculate this date? No... I determined/derived her birth based on the given data. Calculate must have a more significant meaning than simple addition (math). So I am looking for an acceptable, cross platform (other programs), term that I can simply put in as an approximate date (guess/best estimate) that won't be misinterpreted by others viewing my data. Apparently Est is not acceptable and it seems that Calculated has a specific meaning of which I am not privy to. I would like to know what that meaning is and the accepted norm for its usage. Sorry, I really am at a loss on this, especially when it seems everyone else will assume Cal to be a calculated date. Bob -Original Message- From: JV Leavitt [mailto:jleavi...@att.net] Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 7:27 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt As one of the rest of you, allow me to pipe in here. I suppose an honest, though humorous entry would be guess instead of Estimated, but Estimated means the same to me anyway. Moreover, I have come to regard the term about, or abt to mean 'guess,' since, most of the time, you find it to have been a (wild) guess. Sometimes it is based on an often used formula, but isn't that also a guess? I rather like using the term Estimated. I must admit that I've used Est as an abbreviation for that, but since I've learned from this list that some of you think that Est means Established, I will, in the future, spell it out. sigh Joseph Leavitt On 1/6/2014 6:46 PM, Bob Austen wrote: Hi Jay, Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’, and when/how do the rest of you use the term? I’ve not seen it used for another particular purpose, so I am interested in knowing how you understand it and what others are expecting to see by that. Would you use ‘Est’ as a guess/fill in date?I also use FTM and the default is to change circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt. I want to differentiate between that terminology and my guess. I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) and will most often put in an estimated date or a range (also an estimate/guess) to better sort the individual. Bob *From:*Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt Bob, You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not a calculated date. Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a calculated date. However you use the program within your PC. and is best for you ..is great. But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take into consideration that others will never know you changed the expected data. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net mailto:rgaus...@telus.net wrote: If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c) I use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess. In my file I know that a 'Cal' date was *my* guess and did not come from any other source. Bob -Original Message- From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt I have now confused myself: Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890 Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818 Child born 1867
Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
One could also use the term SWAG. Scientific, Wild, Ars, Guess Sent from my Kindle Fire In God We Trust Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
Bob, In your Legacy program go to ViewCalendar And you will see at the bottom you can input dates and calculate the appropriate result. Jay On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net wrote: Thanks Kurt, I didn’t see this before my last email. I can see, from your example, where one could ‘calculate’ the birth date (month, day, year) given that data. However, If the Age at Death only gave ‘years’ then the birth could only be given as the year (about) and thus, not calculated. Seems a very limited usage for the term. Larry Lee, excellent answer, thank you. Thanks List, probably enough press on this subject. Bob *From:* Kurt Kneeland [mailto:kurt-kneel...@sbcglobal.net] *Sent:* Monday, 6 January, 2014 8:02 PM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt An example of a Calculated Date is a Birth Date determined from a Date of Death and an Age at Death given in years, months and days. *From:* Bob Austen [mailto:rgaus...@telus.net rgaus...@telus.net] *Sent:* Monday, January 06, 2014 8:47 PM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt Hi Jay, Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’, and when/how do the rest of you use the term? I’ve not seen it used for another particular purpose, so I am interested in knowing how you understand it and what others are expecting to see by that. Would you use ‘Est’ as a guess/fill in date?I also use FTM and the default is to change circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt. I want to differentiate between that terminology and my guess. I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) and will most often put in an estimated date or a range (also an estimate/guess) to better sort the individual. Bob *From:* Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com1familytree@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt Bob, You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not a calculated date. Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a calculated date. However you use the program within your PC. and is best for you ..is great. But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take into consideration that others will never know you changed the expected data. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net wrote: If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c) I use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess. In my file I know that a 'Cal' date was *my* guess and did not come from any other source. Bob -Original Message- From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt I have now confused myself: Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890 Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818 Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 - source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth dates assuming parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child Any more suggestions please ? Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server -
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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
Oh dear. I started this thread and am now more confused than ever ? Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 7 January 2014 4:53 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt Bob, In your Legacy program go to ViewCalendar And you will see at the bottom you can input dates and calculate the appropriate result. Jay On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net wrote: Thanks Kurt, I didn’t see this before my last email. I can see, from your example, where one could ‘calculate’ the birth date (month, day, year) given that data. However, If the Age at Death only gave ‘years’ then the birth could only be given as the year (about) and thus, not calculated.Seems a very limited usage for the term. Larry Lee, excellent answer, thank you. Thanks List, probably enough press on this subject. Bob From: Kurt Kneeland [mailto:kurt-kneel...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 8:02 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt An example of a Calculated Date is a Birth Date determined from a Date of Death and an Age at Death given in years, months and days. From: Bob Austen [mailto:rgaus...@telus.net] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 8:47 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt Hi Jay, Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’, and when/how do the rest of you use the term? I’ve not seen it used for another particular purpose, so I am interested in knowing how you understand it and what others are expecting to see by that. Would you use ‘Est’ as a guess/fill in date? I also use FTM and the default is to change circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt. I want to differentiate between that terminology and my guess. I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) and will most often put in an estimated date or a range (also an estimate/guess) to better sort the individual. Bob From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt Bob, You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not a calculated date. Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a calculated date. However you use the program within your PC. and is best for you ..is great. But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take into consideration that others will never know you changed the expected data. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net wrote: If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c) I use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess. In my file I know that a 'Cal' date was *my* guess and did not come from any other source. Bob -Original Message- From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt I have now confused myself: Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890 Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818 Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 - source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth dates assuming parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child Any more suggestions please ? Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines:
Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
Valerie, In the Legacy HELP guide under Dates Approximate the page of text explains fairly well what dates and prefixes you can use. If you stick to that, you will be in good shape. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 10:00 PM, Valerie B Garton vbgar...@gmail.comwrote: Oh dear. I started this thread and am now more confused than ever ? Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney *From:* Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, 7 January 2014 4:53 PM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt Bob, In your Legacy program go to ViewCalendar And you will see at the bottom you can input dates and calculate the appropriate result. Jay On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net wrote: Thanks Kurt, I didn’t see this before my last email. I can see, from your example, where one could ‘calculate’ the birth date (month, day, year) given that data. However, If the Age at Death only gave ‘years’ then the birth could only be given as the year (about) and thus, not calculated. Seems a very limited usage for the term. Larry Lee, excellent answer, thank you. Thanks List, probably enough press on this subject. Bob *From:* Kurt Kneeland [mailto:kurt-kneel...@sbcglobal.net] *Sent:* Monday, 6 January, 2014 8:02 PM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt An example of a Calculated Date is a Birth Date determined from a Date of Death and an Age at Death given in years, months and days. *From:* Bob Austen [mailto:rgaus...@telus.net rgaus...@telus.net] *Sent:* Monday, January 06, 2014 8:47 PM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt Hi Jay, Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’, and when/how do the rest of you use the term? I’ve not seen it used for another particular purpose, so I am interested in knowing how you understand it and what others are expecting to see by that. Would you use ‘Est’ as a guess/fill in date?I also use FTM and the default is to change circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt. I want to differentiate between that terminology and my guess. I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) and will most often put in an estimated date or a range (also an estimate/guess) to better sort the individual. Bob *From:* Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com1familytree@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt Bob, You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not a calculated date. Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a calculated date. However you use the program within your PC. and is best for you ..is great. But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take into consideration that others will never know you changed the expected data. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net wrote: If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c) I use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess. In my file I know that a 'Cal' date was *my* guess and did not come from any other source. Bob -Original Message- From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt I have now confused myself: Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890 Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818 Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 - source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth dates assuming parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child Any more suggestions please ? Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers..com/http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009:
RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
That all sounds very responsible, but though our forebears probably were better at calculating ages for days, months and years, without computers, how accurate and conscientious were they? No doubt that is allowed for in the term, calculated, but it's still our guestimate that they had the information and were rigorous in their calculation. Calculated - determined or ascertained by mathematical methods. Example: A Birth Date determined from a Date of Death and an Age at Death given in years, months and days using the date calculator. arry Lee --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
I created a master source called Guesstimate and use it as the name implies... On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 10:15 PM, grayscot2 graysc...@gmail.com wrote: That all sounds very responsible, but though our forebears probably were better at calculating ages for days, months and years, without computers, how accurate and conscientious were they? No doubt that is allowed for in the term, calculated, but it's still our guestimate that they had the information and were rigorous in their calculation. Calculated - determined or ascertained by mathematical methods. Example: A Birth Date determined from a Date of Death and an Age at Death given in years, months and days using the date calculator. arry Lee --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
