Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Kris]

In the beginning I tried to follow the empty comma standard, four 
places, and no designations as regards township, county, etc.  But it 
wasn't useful and I found myself going back later and not knowing 
exactly what the location was supposed to be -- having to look it up 
again.


Now, I put those designations in the location list.  Census records that 
are in the "Washington Twp., DeKalb County, Missouri, USA" are listed 
that way.  I put cemeteries in the locations lists, too.


I took a hint from Elizabeth Shown Mills's summary of source citations: 
The purpose is to help those coming later find the source.  Same for 
locations:  The purpose is to record as much as possible where the event 
took place.  I didn't find the comma system sufficient to do that for me.


On 4/2/2017 7:31 PM, Brian Lightfoot wrote:

I started adding the additional word “County” to all my county
descriptors, regardless of if the city or township was also known. I
found that I have a great deal of ancestors in and around Ashland
County, Ohio so I noticed many docs from a variety of sources merely
stating “Ashland, Ohio”. But a close examination of the source itself
revealed some were from the city of Ashland, some were from the
Township of Ashland, and others were merely describing the county of
Ashland. I found other citations giving the location as “Ashland,
Ashland, Ohio” which by many others’ convention would seem to be
describing the city of Ashland in Ashland County but in reality was
describing the Township of Ashland (not all parts were within the
city limits) in Ashland County.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Steve Hayes]

On 3 Apr 2017 at 0:42, Ian Thomas wrote:

> It would be helpful to know the ways that location "descriptions" are used in
> a number of countries. The UK and USA examples/preferences are commonly given
> but other European and N/S American would be of interest to me. I noticed a
> distinct way that my aunt's address was given on her letters from 1950s/60s
> which is different than the USA pattern. 

I don't think ways of addressing letters should necessarily be used for 
locations of events. If people were married in a particular church, for 
example, the postal address of the church 20 or 200 years earlier would be of 
little use. 

In the UK, for example, the street name and number and postal code are 
sufficient for letter delivery. Town, villiage and county are unnecessary, 
but are nevertheless of interest to genealiogists. 

I find it odd that in the USA towns, and even quite small villages are 
referred to as "cities" for purposes of postal delivery. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Ian Thomas]

It would be helpful to know the ways that location "descriptions" are used in a 
number of countries. The UK and USA examples/preferences are commonly given but 
other European and N/S American would be of interest to me. I noticed a 
distinct way that my aunt's address was given on her letters from 1950s/60s 
which is different than the USA pattern. 

Ian Thomas
Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

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Behalf Of Gmail
Sent: Monday, 3 April 2017 9:01 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

What about elsewhere in the world.

For example for the city of Nice in France the proper way to present the 
toponym is:

Nice, 06088, Alpes-Maritimes, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur, France

Georges

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part de Leonard J. McCown Envoyé : 2 avril 2017 17:49 À : 'Legacy User Group' 
 Objet : Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, 
Place names

Years ago I learned to leave a space for a place that was missing, to mark its 
place, and also to tell the person that it is a town, village, etc., and the 
next is the county (at least in the USA). I have continued that, but have 
started a no-no also, by adding Co. to the county so it is clear. Too many 
places and counties are named the same . . . Dallas, Dallas Co., Texas.
I decided what's best for me and to make it clear when I am dead and others 
might be using my database. If they don't like it, they can change it then.

Personally I think it is a good idea. Was there an option to remove that in the 
set up for Legacy?



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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Brian Lightfoot]

I started adding the additional word “County” to all my county descriptors, 
regardless of if the city or township was also known. I found that I have a 
great deal of ancestors in and around Ashland County, Ohio so I noticed many 
docs from a variety of sources merely stating “Ashland, Ohio”. But a close 
examination of the source itself revealed some were from the city of Ashland, 
some were from the Township of Ashland, and others were merely describing the 
county of Ashland. I found other citations giving the location as “Ashland, 
Ashland, Ohio” which by many others’ convention would seem to be describing the 
city of Ashland in Ashland County but in reality was describing the Township of 
Ashland (not all parts were within the city limits) in Ashland County.

 

Thus I end up with the following variations:

Ashland, Ashland County, Ohio (meaning in the city of Ashland)

Ashland Township, Ashland County, Ohio (self-explanatory)

And finally “, Ashland County, Ohio” meaning a location somewhere in the county 
with the township not known.

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Sherry
Sent: Sunday, April 2, 2017 3:58 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

 

I add "County" only when I don't know the city.

, King county, Washington, United States 

Seattle, King, Washington, United States.

Although I can understand how confusing it might be if the city and county are 
the same.

Plus I'm not a fan of abbreviations so I spell "county" out. There might be 
those who aren't sure what "Co." means.  It's a common abbreviation for 
"company"

The WA abbreviation for Washington state is also the abbreviation for Western 
Australia and there's a town there with the same name as where I live in 
Washington!

 

Sherry



 

On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Leonard J. McCown  wrote:

Years ago I learned to leave a space for a place that was
missing, to mark its place, and also to tell the person that
it is a town, village, etc., and the next is the county (at
least in the USA). I have continued that, but have started a
no-no also, by adding Co. to the county so it is clear. Too
many places and counties are named the same . . . Dallas,
Dallas Co., Texas. I decided what's best for me and to make
it clear when I am dead and others might be using my
database. If they don't like it, they can change it then.

Personally I think it is a good idea. Was there an option to
remove that in the set up for Legacy?

 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Steve Hayes]

On 2 Apr 2017 at 17:49, Leonard J. McCown wrote:

> Years ago I learned to leave a space for a place that was
> missing, to mark its place, and also to tell the person that
> it is a town, village, etc., and the next is the county (at
> least in the USA). I have continued that, but have started a
> no-no also, by adding Co. to the county so it is clear. Too
> many places and counties are named the same . . . Dallas,
> Dallas Co., Texas. I decided what's best for me and to make
> it clear when I am dead and others might be using my
> database. If they don't like it, they can change it then.
> 
> Personally I think it is a good idea. Was there an option to
> remove that in the set up for Legacy?

There is no option to "remove" it, though there is an option not to show it 
in reports. 

If, say, I know that someone was born in Ohio, USA, I can enter it as 

Ohio, USA

and Legacy will display and print it like that. 

but I can also enter it as

 ,  , Ohio, USA

to show that the city and county are missing. 

And then I can have Legacy print it like that, or to strip away the leading 
commas. 

I generally enter just what I know, so I don't put in blank spaces. If I 
later find the name of a town where the person was born, I'll just add that, 
like 

Columbus, Ohio, USA.

and not

Columbus,  , Ohio, USA


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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Gmail]

What about elsewhere in the world.

For example for the city of Nice in France the proper way to present the
toponym is:

Nice, 06088, Alpes-Maritimes, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur, France

Georges

-Message d'origine-
De : LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] De la
part de Leonard J. McCown
Envoyé : 2 avril 2017 17:49
À : 'Legacy User Group' 
Objet : Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

Years ago I learned to leave a space for a place that was missing, to mark
its place, and also to tell the person that it is a town, village, etc., and
the next is the county (at least in the USA). I have continued that, but
have started a no-no also, by adding Co. to the county so it is clear. Too
many places and counties are named the same . . . Dallas, Dallas Co., Texas.
I decided what's best for me and to make it clear when I am dead and others
might be using my database. If they don't like it, they can change it then.

Personally I think it is a good idea. Was there an option to remove that in
the set up for Legacy?



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217 West 14th Street, Irving, Texas 75060-5903
972-254-7952
leon...@mccown.org -- http://www.mccown.org People will not look forward to
posterity who never look backward to their ancestors. -- Edmund Burke, 1790

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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Sherry]

I add "County" only when I don't know the city.

, King county, Washington, United States
Seattle, King, Washington, United States.

Although I can understand how confusing it might be if the city and county
are the same.

Plus I'm not a fan of abbreviations so I spell "county" out. There might be
those who aren't sure what "Co." means.  It's a common abbreviation for
"company"

The WA abbreviation for Washington state is also the abbreviation for
Western Australia and there's a town there with the same name as where I
live in Washington!

Sherry



On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Leonard J. McCown 
wrote:

Years ago I learned to leave a space for a place that was
> missing, to mark its place, and also to tell the person that
> it is a town, village, etc., and the next is the county (at
> least in the USA). I have continued that, but have started a
> no-no also, by adding Co. to the county so it is clear. Too
> many places and counties are named the same . . . Dallas,
> Dallas Co., Texas. I decided what's best for me and to make
> it clear when I am dead and others might be using my
> database. If they don't like it, they can change it then.
>
> Personally I think it is a good idea. Was there an option to
> remove that in the set up for Legacy?
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Leonard J. McCown]

Years ago I learned to leave a space for a place that was
missing, to mark its place, and also to tell the person that
it is a town, village, etc., and the next is the county (at
least in the USA). I have continued that, but have started a
no-no also, by adding Co. to the county so it is clear. Too
many places and counties are named the same . . . Dallas,
Dallas Co., Texas. I decided what's best for me and to make
it clear when I am dead and others might be using my
database. If they don't like it, they can change it then.

Personally I think it is a good idea. Was there an option to
remove that in the set up for Legacy?



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217 West 14th Street, Irving, Texas 75060-5903
972-254-7952
leon...@mccown.org -- http://www.mccown.org
People will not look forward to posterity who never look
backward to
their ancestors. -- Edmund Burke, 1790

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Re: [LegacyUG] Test Message

[CE WOOD]

I know its the rules of the list itself, but those rules exist because the list 
programmers have not instituted the means to vet images. I am not a programmer, 
but those with whom I am familiar know how to do it. Do you not view images 
online? There are many ways to do it.


CE

From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Wendy Howard 
Sent: Sunday, April 2, 2017 2:27 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Test Message

What "fixes" would they be?

It is not a matter of something not working the way it should that
prevents images being included in posts to this list - it is the rules
of this list itself.

There are ways to work around this restriction, by uploading any images
somewhere, and then including a link to them in your post.

Wendy

CE WOOD wrote on 2/04/2017 07:49:
>
> I couldn't agree more! It's a real shame they did that instead of
> making the easy fixes to this list whereby screen shots are safe.
>
>
>
>
> CE
>
>
> 
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup  on
> behalf of Hot.Rod.Wife 
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 1, 2017 12:40 PM
> *To:* Legacy User Group
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Test Message
> The list is a lot quieter than it use to be.  Once they started the
> Facebook page, this list really dropped off.  The Facebook page is too
> chaotic for me.
>
> Sherry
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab® S
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Donald Quigley 
> Date: 4/1/17 12:32 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Test Message
>
> ??? haven’t rec’d any messages since Wednesday ???
>
> Donald Quigley
>
> Escondido, CA
>
> Quigley Doyle Family Tree 
Quigley Doyle Family Tree
donquigley.net
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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list, Place names

[Wendy Howard]

You need to decide for yourself if you are going to conform to the 
four-field convention for locations, or not.  There are good arguments 
for both.


I'm a non-conformist in this regard.  I use as many commas as are needed 
to record the place I have at hand at the time, and I don't use commas 
to mark an empty field.  This means I have locations recorded with 
variations in the number of fields, including simple a country:


England
New Zealand

or just a region/county and country:

Yorkshire, England
Waikato, New Zealand

or even down to a street address (since I choose to not use the Address 
fields in many cases):


126 Mays Road, St Albans, Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand
125 Great Saffron Hill, Holborn, London, England
4 Wellington Court, Albion Road, Hammersmith, London, England

When you're looking at the Master Locations, you can choose to sort 
right-to-left (smallest unit first), or left-to-right, which is very 
handy for grouping together all the locations in the same country, then 
the same region/county/state (depending on the country in question).


Have a think about what YOU want to see in YOUR database, and work from 
there.


Hope this helps.  :-)

Wendy

Jennifer Hardess wrote on 2/04/2017 13:27:


I am trying to tidy up my locations / place name list. I notice that 
if I only have 2 or 3 names in a sequence e.g. London, England or 
Horsham, Victoria, Australia I end up with a comma or two before the 
place in the master location list. I have my


Master location list starting with the Country e.g. England. I need 
advice as  to how I can eradicate that comma. Is there a “standards list”


I can refer to somewhere? Especially for England...do I add the county 
name or whatever? I have tried looking up the place name on the 
internet e.g. using Wikipedia but often “Hundred” or borough is quoted 
in the information.


I am in Australia & it is very confusing, & time-consuming!

Thanks, Jen Hardess




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Re: [LegacyUG] Test Message

[Wendy Howard]

What "fixes" would they be?

It is not a matter of something not working the way it should that 
prevents images being included in posts to this list - it is the rules 
of this list itself.


There are ways to work around this restriction, by uploading any images 
somewhere, and then including a link to them in your post.


Wendy

CE WOOD wrote on 2/04/2017 07:49:


I couldn't agree more! It's a real shame they did that instead of 
making the easy fixes to this list whereby screen shots are safe.





CE



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behalf of Hot.Rod.Wife 

*Sent:* Saturday, April 1, 2017 12:40 PM
*To:* Legacy User Group
*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Test Message
The list is a lot quieter than it use to be.  Once they started the 
Facebook page, this list really dropped off.  The Facebook page is too 
chaotic for me.


Sherry



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab® S


 Original message 
From: Donald Quigley 
Date: 4/1/17 12:32 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Test Message

??? haven’t rec’d any messages since Wednesday ???

Donald Quigley

Escondido, CA

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Re: [LegacyUG] Test Message

[Jean Gobel]

Thanks, Bob.  Will do today.
Jean

From: Bob Austen
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 8:38 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Test Message
Hi Jean,

This should be an easy fix for the programmers.  Send it in as a suggestion 
using ‘Make a Suggestion’ from the Legacy Home screen.

Bob

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Behalf Of Jean Gobel
Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 5:51 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Test Message

Hi All,
Not a question, but a wish-for.
When entering things in Legacy, the curser usually anticipates and goes to the 
next spot.  When adding a photo, I always find myself typing (or rather NOT 
typing) in mid-air.  You select the picture to enter, hit open, which it does 
at the correct spot in Legacy, providing you a place to type description and 
other info.  The curser is nowhere.  Wish it would be at the Caption block, 
waiting for me...
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