Re: [LegacyUG] Naming Images and documents
The use of RIN numbers in identifying images and documents may have a downside if you are in the habit of merging individuals together with their immediate families were two RINs become one. If you also have set your RIN numbering to use “Reuse abandoned RINs” (Option 4.4) this could lead to further complications in your image and document identification. Just a thought. Barry Godbeer From: Linda Greethurst Sent: May 9, 2020 9:08 AM To: Legacy User Group Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Naming Images and documents What ever method you develop for your filing system: Keep It Simple, Sensible (KISS) Legacy already assigns everyone a RIN. I have 37 Ole Olsens in my lines. I know, I have the Norse naming system to deal with too; so I know them by their farm name but more importantly, I identify my files and pictures by the RIN too, For example: Ole Olsen Aukrust RIN348 Baptism. Legacy's Index tab is my quick reference to a person and a number. My thought process is since I have already transcribed and translated the document into Legacy, I really don't need to duplicate the info into the filing label. So my system just tells me where to go to see the detail of the document. Or am I overlooking something and making my filing too simplified? On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 11:42 PM Jane Linkswiler wrote: Far north Queensland. Wonderful. I've been in the areahmmm, 3 times so far. Love going to Australia. I hear what you are saying. Actually, if you are going with the 8 folder system, you will have your grandmother as a child in her father's name's folder but with her marriage, you will find her from that point in her husband's name's folder. Going further back with her parents will be increasing their folder size as far back as you choose to go. All branches will still be in that folder. If you see a list, it will be alpha. This is an example of one of my picture's file name: Walden, Irving Holbrook b cert 1871 Mar 31 MA, Worc Co, Milbury, cert copy It is in the Walden folder (my maternal gfather) but so are Hixons (my maternal ggmother) so you see. Actually, Irving was one of my gfather's nephews. Don't know if you've seen any transcriptions on Family Search. I like them for their clarity and, as I wish to have .jpgs, our old friend Microsoft Paint is terrific for putting text down and saving as .jpg. My, I do get wordy, Jane in Phoenix -Original Message- From: LegacyUserGroup On Behalf Of June Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:18 PM To: 'Legacy User Group' Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Naming Images and documents Thanks Jane - I do like your idea of keeping the folders in the direct lines - so 8 grandparent's as you are doing. That makes it neat and easily searchable if the labelling has been done correctly and consistently. It will make it easy to know which folder to go to straight away rather than search through goodness knows how many birth certificates etc as I currently do. Another query though please. If we have Thomas Smith (grandfather) and he marries Susan Marston (grandmother) that is two folders for 2 grandparents. I could then open 2 more folders one for Susan Marston's father (my great grandfather) and one for Susan's mother (my great grandmother). I could then do a sub folder for Thomas Smith's father - keeping each generation of direct line Smith in a sub folder of my grandfather, I could also then create sub folders for her generation. I do see that this would lead me to have more folders/sub folder. and would appear, if I have read it correctly, to be different to what you are doing by keeping the 8 direct lines only. That's if I've understood you, apologies if not. I think I could label the images something like SmithThomas4xgfb1885BapCRotherham. But I need to work on the labelling. Some of the folders might only have 1 or 2 images in depending how far back they are. Let me know what you think and I will give it a trial with a few images and see how it looks and works. Many thanks for your suggestions and help. June in far North Queensland -Original Message- From: LegacyUserGroup On Behalf Of Jane Linkswiler Sent: Saturday, 9 May 2020 11:57 AM To: 'Legacy User Group' Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Naming Images and documents I, for one, still just have folders in the 8 grandparent's names. It is conceivable that that might change and if it does..can't do subfolder to the father, that would tell me to make subfolders for all children which will just get messy. For me. So far, I just like the name followed by a b date. Let me know what you decide and why, please. Jane in Phoenix -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http
Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for UK Baptisms
tric (long winded) for my records. Carolyn On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Cathy Pinner <genea...@gmail.com <mailto:genea...@gmail.com>> wrote: Ian, It's not possible to make your own SourceWriter templates. This has bee n asked for, but for some reason rejected. Another tip for UK records. Anything at the The National Archives can be sourced using a Census template that has the relevant fields for the Department code and series number in the Master Source and a field for the piece number in the Source Detail. I add folio and page to the piece box as well to follow TNA citation style. In this detail Elizabeth Shown Mills seems to break her principles of keeping a reference together. I haven't seen the latest editions of her work to see if she's amended her English Census models. Cathy Ian Thomas <mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com <mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com >> Monday, 24 April 2017 7:07 AM Wouldn't it be great if Millenia provided add on packages that covered the different methods of recording in various countries at different times, but that would be a daunting task I'm sure. Or – does anyone know whether Legacy’s SourceWriter Templates created by others for their specific purpose are “transferrable”? That is, are they a separate named file on the creator’s disk, which could be uploaded to a site where others might download and then install into their Legacy system on their computer? If that is a possibility, in effect, a Legacy community resource could be created. I’m not sure whether the format of SourceWriter has changed, from v8 (or before?) to v9 of Legacy. Ian Thomas Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia Barry Godbeer <mailto:b_goodbee...@rogers.com <mailto:b_goodbee...@rogers.com>> Monday, 24 April 2017 2:12 AM Cathy, p; Thank you for your quick and helpful reply. You seem to have found a way to record non US sources in Legacy that would work for me. One of my concerns was possibly having a different Master Source for every church. If I understand your two examples correctly you have some Master Sources for individual churches and some for a central depository depending on where you sourced the information. Rather than have a mix I think I will start off my baptism Master Sources using a central depository (SWHT/Parochial Church Council/Findmypast), understan ding that nothing works for ever. I have overlooked marriage banns in the past because I didn't know what to do with them. Now you have given me direction. Wouldn't it be great if Millenia provided add on packages that covered the different methods of recording in various countries at different times, but that would be a daunting task I'm sure. Thanks again, Barry Godbeer On Saturday, April 22, 2017 9:56 PM, Cathy Pinner <geneakit@ gmail.com <mailto:genea...@gmail.com>> wrote: Barry, Church Records include Baptisms, Burials and Marriages. The records are recorded in Church Registers or "record books" in Legacy speak. So you're looking for Church records > Church record books > created at local level (parish, congregation, meeting, etc) > and then the format you've used. I've chosen to use the Microfilm/fiche rather than online images as I've seem some at the Archives on microfilm in a rare visit to England and some & nbsp; online. I use the Film ID in the Master Source to acknowledge both sources: eg: Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust & Parochial Church Council & FindMyPast I actually make a Master Source for each church but I could have instead chosen to make a Master Source for each Archive. In my case: Dorset History Centre, the London Metropolitan Archives, etc. I learn where the registers actually are arc hived. So one Master Source reads: St Margaret (Topsham, Devon, England); Images courtesy of So uth West Heritage Trust and Parochial Church Council & FindMyPast, Devon Heritage Centre, Exeter. and a source citation: St Margaret (Topsham, Devon, England), "Marriages 1417A/PR/1/15 1837-1881," Page 1, No 1 1837 marriage of William Harris & Rebecca Mawditt; Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust and Parochial Church Council & FindMyPast, Devon Heritage Centre, Exeter. This "1417A/PR/1/15" is the Archive reference for that particular register. If it's not obvi
Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for UK Baptisms
Cathy, Thank you for your quick and helpful reply. You seem to have found a way to record non US sources in Legacy that would work for me. One of my concerns was possibly having a different Master Source for every church. If I understand your two examples correctly you have some Master Sources for individual churches and some for a central depository depending on where you sourced the information. Rather than have a mix I think I will start off my baptism Master Sources using a central depository (SWHT/Parochial Church Council/Findmypast), understanding that nothing works for ever. I have overlooked marriage banns in the past because I didn't know what to do with them. Now you have given me direction. Wouldn't it be great if Millenia provided add on packages that covered the different methods of recording in various countries at different times, but that would be a daunting task I'm sure. Thanks again, Barry Godbeer On Saturday, April 22, 2017 9:56 PM, Cathy Pinner <genea...@gmail.com> wrote: Barry, Church Records include Baptisms, Burials and Marriages. The records are recorded in Church Registers or "record books" in Legacy speak. So you're looking for Church records > Church record books > created at local level (parish, congregation, meeting, etc) > and then the format you've used. I've chosen to use the Microfilm/fiche rather than online images as I've seem some at the Archives on microfilm in a rare visit to England and some online. I use the Film ID in the Master Source to acknowledge both sources: eg: Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust & Parochial Church Council & FindMyPast I actually make a Master Source for each church but I could have instead chosen to make a Master Source for each Archive. In my case: Dorset History Centre, the London Metropolitan Archives, etc. I learn where the registers actually are archived. So one Master Source reads: St Margaret (Topsham, Devon, England); Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust and Parochial Church Council & FindMyPast, Devon Heritage Centre, Exeter. and a source citation: St Margaret (Topsham, Devon, England), "Marriages 1417A/PR/1/15 1837-1881," Page 1, No 1 1837 marriage of William Harris & Rebecca Mawditt; Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust and Parochial Church Council & FindMyPast, Devon Heritage Centre, Exeter. This "1417A/PR/1/15" is the Archive reference for that particular register. If it's not obvious on the online site, I look at the Archive catalogue and find it and also record their microfilm number, if any is given. At the archives you can usually only see parish registers on microfilm - and probably now the online images. The Source Detail has a "Title" field for the name of the actual register ( or church and register if you chose to have one Master Source for Devon Heritage Centre) Then one for Item of interest where I record the page and record number from the register etc Here's one for Dorset: Saint Lawrence (Folke, Dorset, England), "Christenings PE/FOL/RE 2/1 1813-1906," p 1, no 3 baptism of George Uppill (1813); Images courtesy DHC and Ancestry.com; DHC microfilm MIC/R/511, Dorset History Centre, Dorchester. Does that help? Cathy Barry Godbeer wrote: I am having a hard time finding the a appropriate Source Writer for Baptisms in various counties in England and Wales. The Source Writer for Church Records mentions nothing about Baptisms, unless I have developed tunnel vision, and it is there right under my nose. My OS is Microsoft Vista and my LFT is 8.0.0.598. Must update computer soon! As attachments are not allowed I will try to explain my problem. I have an image of a Baptism, viewed in Findmypast, in the Parish of Lower Brixham (Devon, England) that has a page number and an entry number with a reference to South West Heritage Trust and Parochial Church Council in the left margin. The transcript, copyright of Findmypast, has, besides the name of the individual, date of Baptism, father and mother,etc it list the location of the Baptism as Brixham, All Saints (not mentioned on the image), the Archive as South West Heritage Trust (no mention of the Parochial Church Council), an archive reference (1955A/PR/1/1) that makes no mention of the page number or line number and whose archive reference is it? For sourcing purposes who holds the original Baptism document, the Parochial Church Council, South West Heritage Trust or Findmypast? Only the South West Heritage Trust and Findmypast have URLs. In years to come which of the three will still be around? Do I select Source Writer>Church Records>Church Record Books>created at local level (parish, congregation, meetings, etc and do I do the best I can with that? The Source Detail related to this Master Source is not very informative. To date I have not attached any images or transcripts
[LegacyUG] Source Writer for UK Baptisms
I am having a hard time finding the a appropriate Source Writer for Baptisms in various counties in England and Wales. The Source Writer for Church Records mentions nothing about Baptisms, unless I have developed tunnel vision, and it is there right under my nose. My OS is Microsoft Vista and my LFT is 8.0.0.598. Must update computer soon! As attachments are not allowed I will try to explain my problem. I have an image of a Baptism, viewed in Findmypast, in the Parish of Lower Brixham (Devon, England) that has a page number and an entry number with a reference to South West Heritage Trust and Parochial Church Council in the left margin. The transcript, copyright of Findmypast, has, besides the name of the individual, date of Baptism, father and mother,etc it list the location of the Baptism as Brixham, All Saints (not mentioned on the image), the Archive as South West Heritage Trust (no mention of the Parochial Church Council), an archive reference (1955A/PR/1/1) that makes no mention of the page number or line number and whose archive reference is it? For sourcing purposes who holds the original Baptism document, the Parochial Church Council, South West Heritage Trust or Findmypast? Only the South West Heritage Trust and Findmypast have URLs. In years to come which of the three will still be around? Do I select Source Writer>Church Records>Church Record Books>created at local level (parish, congregation, meetings, etc and do I do the best I can with that? The Source Detail related to this Master Source is not very informative. To date I have not attached any images or transcripts to any sources or citations which might help complete the picture of the source, but that's another To Do Task. So does anyone have any suggestions? Has anyone with ancestors in England come up with a solution that makes sense? Barry Godbeer Canada-- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Version 8.0.0.499
Hi John, Like Mike Fry said I think my problem with the .499 installation was Windows related and had nothing to do with how Legacy runs. I have since re-downloaded Legacy and using the program without any trouble not withstanding any bugs (not found by me) there may be in the program itself. Barry Godbeer On Monday, June 1, 2015 9:49 AM, Hannigan Family Research resea...@hannigangenealogy.us wrote: I got an email this morning about this being available for download. Is it fixed? Are there still bugs that need to be resolved before it is ready for 'Prime Time' installation. Thanks. John Hannigan Houston, Texas On Friday 5 29 2015 4:41 PM, Barry Godbeer wrote: I have just downloaded the latest version (twice), once from within the Legacy program and once from the Legacy website. Each time the install has hung with the message Updating System Configuration, Please wait... Anyone else with the same problem? If I open the program I get a message that the install is not complete and will shut down! Barry Godbeer Brampton, Canada Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Version 8.0.0.499
Fingers crossed I have just downloaded the update again and so far no problems.Upon reflection the problem may have occurred as a result of my impatiens. On the first download yesterday there seemed to be a period of inactivity so I pressed Download again.! The subsequent result was the freeze up.Panic over.Barry GodbeerBrampton, Canada On Friday, May 29, 2015 6:10 PM, Barry Godbeer b_goodbee...@rogers.com wrote: I have just downloaded the latest version (twice), once from within the Legacy program and once from the Legacy website. Each time the install has hung with the message Updating System Configuration, Please wait... Anyone else with the same problem? If I open the program I get a message that the install is not complete and will shut down! Barry GodbeerBrampton, Canada Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Version 8.0.0.499
I have just downloaded the latest version (twice), once from within the Legacy program and once from the Legacy website. Each time the install has hung with the message Updating System Configuration, Please wait... Anyone else with the same problem? If I open the program I get a message that the install is not complete and will shut down! Barry GodbeerBrampton, Canada Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sharing Sources
Thank you Jenny, Brian and Cathy for your replies. First I must admit to a severe case of brain cramp. My first attempt at entering sources was in Family Treemaker many years ago (program was DOS and on a 3 1/2 disc!). When I transferred the file over to Legacy Family Tree several years ago the sources that I had entered all ended up as Basic Sources in LFT as you know. I started using Source Writer a couple of years ago for census events, at first copying, using Clipboard, sources from one individual to other family members and editing as necessary, that worked fine. I took a break from genealogy and when I came back I created a new Source Writer for a Census choosing Online Database instead of Online Images as my source. Dah! This choice presents a different Citation/Detail window. Why the difference is not clear to me as they are both ask for similar information but in a different order. I also started to use Sharing instead of copying from from one individual to another. I will have to re-enter Census years 1891 to 1841 (I worked backwards). On reflection the advantage of copying and pasting (using Clipboard) Sources from one individual to another is that you can edit subsequent individuals by entering their names and correcting the Folio and Page changes rather than only having the first individuals name (without RIN) and two Folio #s and Page #s. I had also taken advantage when editing of adding the maiden name of married women to their census ID. Maybe RIN should be added also? A Sharing aspect would come from the common Place in the Event that shows up in the Master Location listing where you can see a list of the individuals at the same Place/Location. I now see were the difference comes from the Place (Location) in the Event and Location Details as the second prompts for Parish, City etc. Why so is not obvious to me but I guess Elizabeth Shown Mills knows best. As pointed out some sources can be accessed from several organizations. For the England and Wales Census I have used the National Archives as the source and if you visit their site they make reference to Findmypast and Ancestry. There could also be a reference to Family Search. As an aside the FreeBMD website URL recently changed, nothing lasts forever. I think I will list secondary websites in Repository Notes. On the task of re-entering the Census Data from 1841 to 1891 I will proceed using the Clipboard instead of Sharing so that I can edit as necessary. I will also change my selection to Online Images. Thanks again for your responses. Barry Godbeer Brampton Ontario Canada On Friday, September 19, 2014 1:04 AM, Cathy Pinner genea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Barry, Re census over two pages - convention some places seems to be to only use the reference for the head of household, but like Paula I add both. Re the Source Detail order for the English censuses. In her examples Elizabeth Shown Mills doesn't follow her principles to keep reference together or The National Archives of the UK citation advice though she does take into account the US National Archives citation methods. I put the folio and page numbers in the piece number field to overcome what I see as an error So I'll enter 326 folio 23, page 2 and folio 24, page 3 all in the Piece field. I'm not sure what template you are using. I use the Basic Format as I've seen the Census pages in so many different places/ways from images on CD and microfilm and fiche to online images at various sites. For some other National Archives of UK sources, I use a Census source as it has space for the name of the series and the series number and use the microfilm template. Instead of film series/no I put images courtesy of the National Archives and findmypast.co.uk and ancestry.com ... as so many now are found on more than one website - but they're not as prolific as the census images online and for these lesser used sources I and others need to know which websites hold the images. I don't want a different master source for everywhere I look at the same set of images. I wouldn't have a different master source if I was accessing a book at a number of different libraries. When seeing the actual image of the original I think Shown Mills gives more prominence to the secondary repository than the actual source. Re Shared Events - I don't use them. I still use the Event Clipboard to copy an event to other relevant people. Cathy Barry Godbeer mailto:b_goodbee...@rogers.com Thursday, 18 September 2014 10:11 AM Version 8.0.0.439 Deluxe Edition OS Vista Home Edition I have been creating Events using Source Writer based on England and Wales Census records from 1841 to 1911 and have the following issues with the sharing of Sources. Many families are spread over two pages and therefore have two different references eg RG9 PN 326 Folio 23 Page 2 and RG9 PN 326 Folio 24 Page 3 to enter into the Credit box of the Source Detail.Is this the right thing to do
[LegacyUG] Sharing Sources
Version 8.0.0.439 Deluxe Edition OS Vista Home Edition I have been creating Events using Source Writer based on England and Wales Census records from 1841 to 1911 and have the following issues with the sharing of Sources. Many families are spread over two pages and therefore have two different references eg RG9 PN 326 Folio 23 Page 2 and RG9 PN 326 Folio 24 Page 3 to enter into the Credit box of the Source Detail.Is this the right thing to do or not share the Source Detail and treat each member of the household separately with their own specific reference.? I note also that having entered information into the Place on the Event template and sharing that Event with several individuals those individuals are not listed at the same Place (Location) in the Master Location listing. Is this an oversight or intended? When entering an existing Place on the Event template auto fill will present one or more options as the Place is typed in. However this is not the case when entering the Location Details in the Source Detail. Are these two boxes to receive the same information or is something else expected? I note also that the Source Detail for Census 1841 through 1901 has a different layout to that of the 1911 Census. It's asking for similar information so why the difference? It might be helpful also if the RIN was attached to the individual's name that is being shared with others. Some of the above might be considered Suggested Changes but I will wait and see what response I get to this email. Thanks, Barry Godbeer Brampton Ontario Canada Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
