To Cathy and all who participated in this thread,
After considering your examples of recording English church records using
Source Writer/Church Records>Church Record Books>Created at local level
(parish, congregation, meeting etc) I came up with the following.
SOURCESource List Name: Parish Register for Devon, England-BaptismsChurch name:
Parochial Church Council, Devon Heritage CentreLocation City: ExeterLocation
State: DevonLocation Country: EnglandCollection: Baptism RecordsFormat: Digital
imagesWebsite Creator: South West Heritage Trust / FindmypastWebsite Title:URL:
swheritage.org.uk / fiindmypast.comDate:
SOURCE DETAILTitle: Baptisms in the Parish of Lower Brixham, Devon, EnglandItem
of Interest: Baptism of Abel Godbeer at All Saints, Brixham, Devon. Father:
Abel Godbeer (Shipwright). Mother: Susan Godbeer. Archive Ref: 1955A/PR/1/1.
Page 50. Line 398Date accessed: 25 Apr 2017
FOOTNOTE/ENDNOTE CITATIONParochial Church Council, Devon Heritage Centre
(Exeter, Devon, England), Baptism Records, "Baptisms in the Parish of Lower
Brixham, Devon":Baptism of Abel Godbeer at All Saints, Brixham, Devon. Father:
Abel Godbeer (Shipwright). Mother: Susan Godbeer. Archive Ref: 1955A/PR/1/1.
Page 50. Line 398. digital images. South West Heritage Trust / Findmypast
(swheritage.org.uk / findmypast.com: Accessed 25 Apr 2017) I haven't tried it
yet but I'm hoping a similar approach would work for marriage and banns held in
church records.
Any comments invited.
Barry GodbeerCanada
On Monday, April 24, 2017 12:05 PM, Ian Thomas <[email protected]>
wrote:
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Millennium doesn’t “publish” on-disk templates for SourceWriter: I think their
rules-based code is within some password-protected mdb files (disguised as
.dbm). or at least that is the way that I would code it. Also, whether the
above is right or wrong – if the formatting of sources is so divergent between
times in history and jurisdictions (as for example, the dogs’-breakfast of even
the online BDM databases in the 7 or so States of Australia, over the less than
200 years of record-keeping) it would be a big task for them to research and
implement the rules for sources for additional to those in the USA. (just
my conjectures) Thanks for the tip. I don’t want to accumulate sources
stored in ways that make retrieval or maintenance a big chore, or inflexible.
Ian Thomas Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia From: LegacyUserGroup
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Monday, 24 April 2017 7:03 PM
To: Legacy User Group <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for UK Baptisms Unless Basic sources
were rudimentary or really badly formatted and the Basic Master Source can't be
edited into respectable format, then don't even consider changing Basic Sources
to SourceWriter sources.
It's a slow tedious job which is only worth doing if the source isn't
sufficiently informative and needs to be redone anyway - like some of my early
sources from the 1990s.
Making your own guides to how you enter Basic Sources is a great idea.
Cathy
Ian Thomas wrote:
Carolyn, that sounds interesting. My ancestors and connections to the
side are AU, NZ, England Wales Scotland Ireland. There are very
peripheral USA, Canada, South Africa.
Currently, my use of sources is primitive. I’m not using SourceWriter
(though I thought I should be).
It raises the question to me how difficult it will be to convert my
‘basic’ source entries to SourceWriter. I will check out Help.
Ian Thomas
Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia
*From:*LegacyUserGroup
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *carogene
*Sent:* Monday, 24 April 2017 3:35 PM
*To:* Legacy User Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for UK Baptisms
But you can create your own source templates using the basic system.
I have a set that works well for New Zealand, Australian, UK records.
Developed as the source writer system is way to US centric (long
winded) for my records.
Carolyn
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Cathy Pinner <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Ian,
It's not possible to make your own SourceWriter templates. This
has bee n asked for, but for some reason rejected.
Another tip for UK records. Anything at the The National Archives
can be sourced using a Census template that has the relevant
fields for the Department code and series number in the Master
Source and a field for the piece number in the Source Detail.
I add folio and page to the piece box as well to follow TNA
citation style. In this detail Elizabeth Shown Mills seems to
break her principles of keeping a reference together. I haven't
seen the latest editions of her work to see if she's amended her
English Census models.
Cathy
Ian Thomas <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected] >>
Monday, 24 April 2017 7:07 AM
Wouldn't it be great if Millenia provided add on packages that
covered the different methods of recording in various
countries at different times, but that would be a daunting
task I'm sure.
Or – does anyone know whether Legacy’s SourceWriter Templates
created by others for their specific purpose are
“transferrable”? That is, are they a separate named file on
the creator’s disk, which could be uploaded to a site where
others might download and then install into their Legacy
system on their computer?
If that is a possibility, in effect, a Legacy community
resource could be created.
I’m not sure whether the format of SourceWriter has changed,
from v8 (or before?) to v9 of Legacy.
Ian Thomas
Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia
Barry Godbeer <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
Monday, 24 April 2017 2:12 AM
Cathy,
&nbs p; Thank you for your quick and helpful reply.
You seem to have found a way to record non US sources in
Legacy that would work for me. One of my concerns was possibly
having a different Master Source for every church. If I
understand your two examples correctly you have some Master
Sources for individual churches and some for a central
depository depending on where you sourced the information.
Rather than have a mix I think I will start off my baptism
Master Sources using a central depository (SWHT/Parochial
Church Council/Findmypast), understan ding that nothing works
for ever. I have overlooked marriage banns in the past because
I didn't know what to do with them. Now you have given me
direction.
Wouldn't it be great if Millenia provided add on packages that
covered the different methods of recording in various
countries at different times, but that would be a daunting
task I'm sure.
Thanks again,
Barry Godbeer
On Saturday, April 22, 2017 9:56 PM, Cathy Pinner
<geneakit@ gmail.com <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Barry,
Church Records include Baptisms, Burials and Marriages. The
records are recorded in Church Registers or "record books" in
Legacy speak.
So you're looking for Church records > Church record books >
created at local level (parish, congregation, meeting, etc) >
and then the format you've used. I've chosen to use the
Microfilm/fiche rather than online images as I've seem some at
the Archives on microfilm in a rare visit to England and some
& nbsp; online.
I use the Film ID in the Master Source to acknowledge both
sources: eg: Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust &
Parochial Church Council & FindMyPast
I actually make a Master Source for each church but I could
have instead chosen to make a Master Source for each Archive.
In my case: Dorset History Centre, the London Metropolitan
Archives, etc.
I learn where the registers actually are arc hived.
So one Master Source reads: St Margaret (Topsham, Devon,
England); Images courtesy of So uth West Heritage Trust and
Parochial Church Council & FindMyPast, Devon Heritage Centre,
Exeter.
and a source citation:
St Margaret (Topsham, Devon, England), "Marriages
1417A/PR/1/15 1837-1881," Page 1, No 1 1837 marriage of
William Harris & Rebecca Mawditt; Images courtesy of South
West Heritage Trust and Parochial Church Council & FindMyPast,
Devon Heritage Centre, Exeter.
This "1417A/PR/1/15" is the Archive reference for that
particular register. If it's not obvious on the online site, I
& nbsp; look at the Archive catalogue and find it and also record
their microfilm number, if any is given. At the archives you
can usually only see parish registers on microfilm - and
probably now the online images.
The Source Detail has a "Title" field for the name of the
actual register ( or church and register if you chose to have
one Master Source for Devon Heritage Centre)
Then one for Item of interest where I record the page and
record number from the register etc
Here's one for Dorset: Saint Lawrence (Folke, Do rset,
England), "Christenings PE/FOL/RE 2/1 1813-1906," p 1, no 3
baptism of George Uppill (1813); Images courtesy DHC and
Ancestry.com; DHC microfilm MIC/R/511, Dorset History Centre,
Dorchester.
Does that help?
Cathy
Barry Godbeer wrote:
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Sunday, 23 April 2017 9:55 AM
Barry,
Church Records include Baptisms, Burials and Marriages. The
records are recorded in Church Registers or "record boo ks" in
Legacy speak.
So you're looking for Church records > Church record books >
created at local level (parish, congregation, meeting, etc) >
and then the format you've used. I've chosen to use the
Microfilm/fiche rather than online images as I've seem some at
the Archives on microfilm in a rare visit to England and some
online.
I use the Film ID in the Master Source to acknowledge both
sources: eg: Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust &
Parochial Church Council & FindMyPast
&nb sp; I actually make a Master Source for each church but I could
have instead chosen to make a Master Source for each Archive.
In my case: Dorset History Centre, the London Metropolitan
Archives, etc.
I learn where the registers actually are arc hived.
So one Master Source reads: St Margaret (Topsham, Devon,
England); Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust and
Parochial Church Council & FindMyPast, Devon Heritage Centre,
Exeter.
and a source citation:
St Margaret (Topsham , Devon, England), "Marriages
1417A/PR/1/15 1837-1881," Page 1, No 1 1837 marriage of
William Harris & Rebecca Mawditt; Images courtesy of South
West Heritage Trust and Parochial Church Council & FindMyPast,
Devon Heritage Centre, Exeter.
This "1417A/PR/1/15" is the Archive reference for that
particular register. If it's not obvious on the online site, I
look at the Archive catalogue and find it and also record
their microfilm number, if any is given. At the archives you
can usually only see parish registers on microfilm - and
; probably now the online images.
The Source Detail has a "Title" field for the name of the
actual register ( or church and register if you chose to have
one Master Source for Devon Heritage Centre)
Then one for Item of interest where I record the page and
record number from the register etc
Here's one for Dorset: Saint Lawrence (Folke, Dorset,
England), "Christenings PE/FOL/RE 2/1 1813-1906," p 1, no 3
baptism of George Uppill (1813); Images courtesy DHC and
Ancestry.com; DHC microfilm MIC/R/511, Dorset History Centre,
&nb sp; Dorchester.
Does that help?
Cathy
Barry Godbeer wrote:
Barry Godbeer <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
Sunday, 23 April 2017 5:39 AM
I am having a hard time finding the a appropriate Source
Writer for Baptisms in various counties in England and Wales.
The Source Writer for Church Records mentions nothing about
Baptisms, unless I have developed tunnel vision, and it is
the re right under my nose.
My OS is Microsoft Vista and my LFT is 8.0.0.598. Must update
computer soon!
As attachments are not allowed I will try to explain my problem.
I have an image of a Baptism, viewed in Findmypast, in the
Parish of Lower Brixham (Devon, England) that has a page
number and an entry number with a reference to South West
Heritage Trust and Parochial Church Council in the left margin.
The transcript, copyright of Findmypast, has, besides the name
of the individual, date of Baptism, father and mother,etc it
&nb sp; list the
location of the Baptism as Brixham, All Saints (not mentioned
on the image), the Archive as South West Heritage Trust (no
mention of the Parochial Church Council), an archive reference
(1955A/PR/1/1) that makes no mention of the page number or
line number and whose archive reference is it?
For sourcing purposes who holds the original Baptism document,
the Parochial Church Council, South West Heritage Trust or
Findmypast? Only the South West Heritage Trust and Findmypast
have URLs. In years to come which of the three wil l still be
around?
Do I select Source Writer>Church Records>Church Record
Books>created at local level (parish, congregation, meetings,
etc and do I do the best I can with that? The Source Detail
related to this Master Source is not very informative.
To date I have not attached any images or transcripts to any
sources or citations which might help complete the picture of
the source, but that's another To Do Task.
So does anyone have any suggestions? Has anyone with ancestors
in England come up with a solution that makes sense?
Barry Godbeer
Canada
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