Re: [LegacyUG] New Mailing List Software and Servers

[Don Hendershot]

Please God!  Make it stop!

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 22, 2016, at 7:35 PM, William Hoff  wrote:
> 
> Don't use Facebook or Twitter and never will for any reason
> 
>> On Feb 22, 2016, at 8:23 PM, CE WOOD  wrote:
>> 
>> the Facebook page? Why do they assume we all use Facebook?! RIDICULOUS!
>> 
>> 
>> CE
>> 
>> > From: whbosw...@gmail.com
>> > To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
>> > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 21:18:37 -0500
>> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] New Mailing List Software and Servers
>> > 
>> > I totally agree. A notice should have been sent to the list members and not
>> > just the Facebook page which not everybody uses. I am very suspicious of
>> > the type of email I first received because it had all the works of spam or 
>> > a
>> > virus with the way it was written and the password that had to be used. It
>> > also came from somebody I never heard of. I guess they were trying to keep
>> > spammers from striking again.
>> > 
>> > I think it would have been better if they had sent all of us a private
>> > message instead of to the list. With all of the spam messages to the list
>> > recently why wouldn't we suspect this was just another one.
>> > 
>> > I'm going to try to unsubscribe from the old list.
>> > 
>> > Bill Boswell
>> > 
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Legacyusergroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
>> > Behalf Of Barton Lewis
>> > Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 8:48 PM
>> > To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com; mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
>> > Cc: ge...@legacyusers.com
>> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] New Mailing List Software and Servers
>> > 
>> > Brian and Michele and all other responsible parties,
>> > 
>> > I cannot believe that you guys did not handle this differently. I have
>> > gotten something like 40 emails and they're still coming. You couldn't have
>> > avoided this traffic or alerted us as to what's going on? 
>> > 
>> > Barton 
>> > 
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Legacyusergroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
>> > Behalf Of Brian L. Lightfoot
>> > Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 8:17 PM
>> > To: Legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
>> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] New Mailing List Software and Servers
>> > 
>> > Just make sure you give everybody 2 or 3 days notice ahead of time as to
>> > what will be happening otherwise the list will be flooded with messages 
>> > from
>> > users wanting to know why they're being signed up on a new mailing list.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Brian in CA
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Brian/Support [mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com]
>> > Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 2:45 PM
>> > To: Legacy Test; Legacy User Group
>> > Subject: New Mailing List Software and Servers
>> > 
>> > We have had to migrate our old mailing lists to a new server and software.
>> > As part of that migration all users had to be resubscribed to the "New"
>> > List. Everyone on the List will receive a welcome message.
>> > 
>> > The new list server and software requires a password for you to manage your
>> > list subscription. A default password is included in your welcome message
>> > along with the link to your new list account management page where you can
>> > select list options.
>> > 
>> > Brian
>> > Customer Support
>> > Millennia Corporation
>> > br...@legacyfamilytree.com
>> > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
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Re: [LegacyUG] Make a Focus Group

[Don Hendershot]

what is the purpose of sending this 47 times?

Spammed?

~DonH


On Oct 17, 2014, at 10:54 AM, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com 
wrote:

 By creating at Focus Group, you're not creating a new file. You're only 
 creating a list of individuals within the file you're searching.

 ​It might behoove you to read the Help topic on Focus Groups - click on the 
 Help button when you're in the Focus Group window for this information:

 ​
 Saving a Focus Group
 Legacy lets you save up to nine different Focus Group Lists.  To save a Focus 
 Group after building it, click the Save button.   The Save Focus Group window 
 appears.  Select one of the numbered lines, enter the name for the group in 
 the box at the bottom of the screen and click the Save button.

 Loading a Focus Group
 Any saved Focus Group can be loaded back into the regular Focus Group window 
 by clicking the Load button. When the Load Focus Group window opens,  select 
 the desired Focus Group and click the Load button. The group is loaded into 
 the Focus Group window.

 ​This basically saves and loads your Focus Group selection but doesn't create 
 a new file to open in Legacy.

 To view the individuals in the Focus Group, you need to go to Search  
 Miscellaneous tab and select Focus Group. Then Create List.

 To export to a new file, go to File  Export to... and select the gedcom 
 option if you're sharing this with someone who has a different genealogy 
 program or uploading to a website that asks for a gedcom or select Legacy if 
 you want to create a new Legacy file to share with someone or have your group 
 in a separate file.

 ​


 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree


 On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 9:45 AM, aparsons aparsons...@gmail.com wrote:
  I need help making a focus group. I use Windows 7, Legacy 8 Deluxe version
  8.0.0.439. This is what I did.
  View tab; clicked the Focus Group icon; see Focus Group; selected Add
  Individuals and Descendants; Descendant Options; selected Descendants; See
  Number of Generations to include; selected 5; clicked OK. It goes back to to
  Focus Group window; I see Descendants (Direct Line 5 Generations for Thomas
  Huddleston [565] and All Spouses; I click Save; I am in the Save Focus Group
  window. I see Select the location you would like to save this focus group
  to, then enter a name for this focus group I entered Thomas Huddleston and
  clicked Save. I am back to the Focus Group window. This time I clicked on
  Load, see Load Focus Group, I highlight Thomas Huddleston, click Load and I
  am back to the Focus Group window. Clicked OK. I am back to the Family View.
  I went to File; open file; I do not see file named Thomas Huddleston. I see
  the first one I tried called Thomas and Margaret Maginnis Huddleston.fdb I
  click on this - nothing in it. I checked my C drive for file called Thomas
  and Margaret Magnnis Huddleston, there isn't one. Checked for file called
  Thomas Huddleston, nothing.
  I cannot figure out what I am doing wrong and would appreciate help making a
  Focus Group.
  Thank you,
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Re: [LegacyUG] Re: Make a Focus Group

[Don Hendershot]

Wierd!  Everything seems to be working fine now.

~DonH


On Oct 17, 2014, at 12:15 PM, Ron Bernier ronaldbern...@outlook.com wrote:

 Ann,

 Definitely not a problem from your end - I only received one copy.

 Ron Bernier
 Sent from my iPad

 On Oct 17, 2014, at 1:50 PM, aparsons aparsons...@gmail.com wrote:

 I sent it one time, not 47 times. I have no idea why this happened.



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Re: [LegacyUG] 7.5 files corrupted in 8.0

[Don Hendershot]

It sounds like you most likely opened the wrong file.  Double check your file 
names and dates.

~DonH


On Aug 5, 2014, at 12:26 PM, Evert van Dijken evert...@gmail.com wrote:

 I opened my 7.5 family file (fdb) in version 8 (37000 + individuals) and 
 didn't see any problems.
 I also restored a backup of this 7.5 family in version 8 and again I didn't 
 see any problems.
 Of course I couldn't look at all individuals but I did check some direct 
 family lines.

 Could your 7.5 family file be corrupt before you opened this file in version 
 8?

 Evert


 2014-08-05 18:12 GMT+02:00 familyhistoryl...@comcast.net:
 I have been busy completing a 1970-page book using Legacy 7.5 and only 
 yesterday was able to begin working in 8.0  I opened one of my well-reviewed 
 family lines in 8.0 only to find that it is corrupted.  Is this a known 
 problem or has it been fixed?  It appears that I have the latest build of 
 8.0.0.439.

 So far I found that someone born in the 1900s was moved to be a child of the 
 original immigrant in the 1700s.

 After doing a check/repair, it says that I have marriages messed up with 
 husbands and wives swapping places with each other in some cases.

 Sometimes brothers and sisters are listed as married persons.  In at least 
 one of those cases, the child died in infancy and never married.

 Does anyone know what is going on and how I can fix this without great 
 upheaval of 1000s of names?  I don't know how I am to trust any of the 
 information in that file at all now.  I have begun making some changes until 
 I realized what was happening.  I'm trying to get updates in the computer 
 and don't want to work with corrupted files.  Also we have the reunion this 
 weekend where I want to promote Legacy.  I cannot in good conscience promote 
 something with so many problems.

 God bless,
 Ellen


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Re: [LegacyUG] Reasons for upgrading

[Don Hendershot]

Spam!

~DonH


On Dec 26, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Jackie King jskin...@gmail.com wrote:

 When it comes right down to it, whether you upgrade now or later to a later 
 version of Legacy, you will eventually upgrade only because as you upgrade 
 your computer you are almost forced to upgrade the software at some point.

 So whether you choose to upgrade now or in the future, the discussions are 
 relevant to everyone if they want to make sure their favorite options are 
 kept, expanded upon in the future, corrected, or deleted.

 But no - no one should be forced to upgrade immediately.

 Jackie


 On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Leon Chapman chap...@gmail.com wrote:
 Denise:

 Here are a few of the reasons you might want to upgrade to Legacy 8 - the 
 new features:
 Origins Report

 Migration Report

 Migration Mapping

 Instant Duplicate Checking

 Potential Problem Alerts and Gaps

 Shared Events

 Family Bow Tie Chart – Husband  Wife

 Descendant Chart – L to R

 Source Quality

 Source Labels

 Source Clipboard – 5 sources

 Pedigree Citations

 FamilySearch Integration

 Wall Charts – Duplicate lines suppressed

 Chronology View

 User Interface – New

 Tagging – 9

 Automatic Sorting

 Statistics

 Media Relinker

 Media Gatherer

 Web Links

 Color Coding



 My favorites are:

 1. Automatic Sorting

 Legacy 8 sorts spouses, children, and events by dates automatically upon 
 entry -- this is a major savings in time when it comes to data entry.  This 
 option along is worth every penny of the upgrade.



 2. Statistics

The Origins Report, migration report, statistics and enhance mapping are 
 great new features.



 3. The Potential Problems Alerts and Gaps  Duplicate checking

 These features are great and will definitely help keep a better, more 
 accurate database of your family and events.



 4.  The Media Relinker and Gatherer are very powerful tools to bring your 
 pictures together into a better structured location.



 5.  The new User Interface - probably should be #1 on the list

 The new modern user interface brings almost every option out to the user 
 in a simple intuitive graphic icon format.  It is so much easier to use and 
 find what you want to do with this new user interface.  Without question, 
 this is the single most important part of the new Legacy 8 that the user 
 touches during almost any operation within Legacy 8.



 6. FamilySearch Integration

 This feature has greatly been improved and provides an enormous FREE 
 resource to millions of family trees available at FamilySearch.org that is 
 very nicely integrated into Legacy 8.  You can add new people to your tree 
 from the FamilySearch Trees with sourcing with just a few clicks of the 
 mouse.  Sourcing is automatic when you add a person to your database from 
 FamilySearch.org.   You will find it difficult at best to do something 
 similar at other websites like Ancestry.com (Oh! Buy the way, that will cost 
 you $300-400/year to have a membership to access their database).  The 
 $30-40 price of Legacy 8 seems like a bargain, upgrading is even cheaper.



 7. Other new features

I won't spend time on them here, but each of them provides additional 
 reasons for upgrading to Legacy 8.

In my opinion, Legacy 8 is truly the best genealogy software on the 
 market today.



 If you haven't upgraded to Legacy 8, What are you waiting for?


 By the way, I do not receive any $$ from Legacy and am not an employee of 
 their firm.


 ___
 Leon Chapman
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 On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Wendy Howard wendy.how...@gmail.com wrote:
 Denise said: I, too, have Vewsion 7.4.0.45 and am disinclined to
 upgrade.  My version works just fine, and seeing all the emails about
 various 'bugs' gives me pause.

 There are bugs in the version you are using, too - it's just that you're
 not as aware of them as you are these v8 issues due to them being
 discussed here on the list right now.  No program is perfect, but a good
 one is a constant work in progress to fix the bugs that have been found,
 as Legacy is.

 Don't take what you hear on this list as the be-all-and-end-all of your
 decision making about upgrading.  If you're really concerned about them
 in your decision to upgrade or not, consider each one you hear about:

 -- Would it actually affect you, and the way you use the program?
 What's the point of deciding to not upgrade because of these bugs, if
 they're in features you'd never use anyway?

 -- Is it actually a bug, or is it not working the way that person wants
 it to, or is acting the way it is on their machine due to some other
 setting on their computer that can't be replicated on another?

 Genuine bugs will be fixed in time, and you'll only get the fix if you
 upgrade your program.  This could include bugs that were present in
 previous versions, too, if they hadn't been identified earlier.

 Be aware too - what you're seeing here on the list is only a fraction of
 the 

Re: [LegacyUG] Reasons for upgrading

[Don Hendershot]

Must be something really wierd between GMail and my iPhone.  This message 
repeated 50 times and none of thisr would delete.

I went to my Desktop PC and then it deleted.

Sorry for any confusion!

~DonH


On Dec 26, 2013, at 4:05 PM, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com 
wrote:

 Spam This is a legit message to the LUG list.



 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree


 On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Don Hendershot
 donald.henders...@gmail.com wrote:
 Spam!

 ~DonH


 On Dec 26, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Jackie King jskin...@gmail.com wrote:

 When it comes right down to it, whether you upgrade now or later to a later
 version of Legacy, you will eventually upgrade only because as you upgrade
 your computer you are almost forced to upgrade the software at some point.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Lack of Trust

[Don Hendershot]

Unsubscribe!

~DonH


On Dec 18, 2013, at 10:06 AM, William Anderson 
william.murray.ander...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sherry,

 Whilst not having the same concern as Jim, I think I see where he is coming 
 from.

 As I understand his emails,  he wishes that the default behaviour for an 
 existing data file imported into a new/updated installation of Legacy will be 
 that no spelling changes will  be made without explicit approval from the 
 user. Thus forgetting to set particular options at the time of installation 
 of Legacy will not result in unforeseen changes to the data in that file.

 Bill

 -Original Message-
 From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 4:32 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Lack of Trust

 Legacy has already asked your permission to change what you enter
 based on the selection you have in Options  Customize  Data Format.

 There are also options for date formatting in the Dates section

 Nothing is corrupted. You just need to go to Options and set the way
 you want it then you can make corrections in the Master Lists if you
 forgot to set the options your way.


 Sincerely,
 Sherry
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 Legacy Family Tree



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Re: [LegacyUG] Not happy with v8

[Don Hendershot]

Bu-bye!

~DonH


On Dec 1, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Lloyd Hite lhit...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 12/1/2013 4:56 PM, C.G. Ouimet wrote:
 But I may also move to RootsMagic and, since there’s no Legacy ability to 
 import from RootsMagic, that would be a one-way move …

 Â

 As far as I’m concerned, I wasted $39 to downgrade to v8

 I have already made the move.

 Lloyd


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Re: [LegacyUG] Date Validation,.

[Don Hendershot]

Happy Thanksgiving!  Enjoy the time you have with your family and friends today!

~DonH


On Nov 28, 2013, at 9:55 AM, Randy Clark ceddaco...@gmail.com wrote:

 For that I apologize. It seems that more than one person is experiencing a 
 dead end message that references an Error # which Legacy has (not yet) 
 included.


 On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Mike Fry emjay...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 2013/11/28 18:39, Randy Clark wrote:

  Thanks. Apparently the file was backed up. The message was at the end of 
  the
  backup when it was trying to (re?)-open the file. The file itself seems OK.

 Be careful what you're replying to. This thread has nothing to do with your
 Error 3049 at the end of a Backup.

 --
 Regards,
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[LegacyUG] Mobile Interface

[Don Hendershot]

Where can I get a replacement copy of the transfer software for my PC (Legacy) 
to iPhone (Families) use?

My PC crashed and I had to install a new hard drive and reinstall Legacy.  Now, 
I need that link to get my Families database back over from my iPhone to my PC.

Thanks in advance,
~DonH
(Hendershot, Ledford, Sparovic, and Stalcar historian)




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Re: [LegacyUG] Mobile Interface

[Don Hendershot]

Thanks to all who pointed me to Telgen on my Families/PC issue! I'm back in 
business!

~DonH


On Oct 4, 2013, at 9:45 AM, Ronald Bernier ronaldbern...@icloud.com wrote:

 Go to the Telgen web site and download Families Sync

 Sent from my iPad

 On Oct 4, 2013, at 11:28 AM, Don Hendershot donald.henders...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 Where can I get a replacement copy of the transfer software for my PC 
 (Legacy) to iPhone (Families) use?

 My PC crashed and I had to install a new hard drive and reinstall Legacy.  
 Now, I need that link to get my Families database back over from my iPhone 
 to my PC.

 Thanks in advance,
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Re: [LegacyUG] marriages

[Don Hendershot]

Yep!

~Don


On Jun 25, 2013, at 1:40 PM, geoffbr...@juno.com geoffbr...@juno.com wrote:

 To me genealogy is all about connecting people.  The software is just a tool 
 to make it easier.

 Most people have one set of parents; some people have more than one father 
 and/or mother due to adoption or other reasons, but in researching there is 
 always at least the hope of finding at least one father and mother and 
 extending the connection back an additional generation and the software 
 allows for that.

 The question is can you connect someone forward to another person by marriage 
 or parenthood? Having a “stop looking” sign because the researcher has done 
 an exhaustive search and is satisfied that the person was never married and 
 because the researcher is satisfied that the person had no children is 
 helpful, just as it is helpful to document that if they were married and they 
 had no children.  To me these are just signals to stop looking at trying to 
 extend that line by marriage or parenthood.

 Now, if someone has a child, from a genealogy software perspective, it seems 
 only nature that the system is going to allow for that child to have at least 
 one set of parents. If the known man and woman that produced this child were 
 not married then I just check the box that says “This couple did not marry.” 
 To me that is just an indication to not look for a marriage record and to 
 move on.


 -- Original Message --
 From: Ronald Bernier ronaldbern...@bernfrin.org
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] marriages
 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 10:00:01 +

 But it does seem to be a huge deal to you.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:13 PM, Pat Hickin pph...@gmail.com wrote:

 Shingals wrote We none of us can ever *absolutely prove* any fact.  What
 makes this one require special treatment?

 I realize that most facts are not absolutely 100% provable, but we all know 
 that zillions of people have had children out of wedlock. That men may not 
 necessarily even know whether they've produced offspring.

 I just think there should be a way to say (on the individual screen) that an 
 individual never married without also  having to make a statement about 
 offspring.

 That's all I'm asking for.   To me it seems utterly reasonable.   It really 
 does not seem such a big deal to me!

 Pat




 On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote:
 On 24/06/2013 23:07, Don Hendershot wrote:
  omg! Please stop!

 The subject may not be of interest to some of us, but it *is* on topic
 for this mailing list and obviously is of interest to *some*.  I don't
 think any of us have a right to ask others not to discuss something
 which falls within the remit of the list and is not offensive.

 --
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Re: [LegacyUG] marriages

[Don Hendershot]

omg! Please stop!

~Don


On Jun 24, 2013, at 3:44 PM, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

 Pat,

 You say “if there is no known relationship that resulted in a marriage” and 
 continue “the ability to say (on the individual screen) that the individual 
 never married”.

 So if there is no *known* relationship then the person never married? Really 
 – bigamists with an unknown first marriage for  example? And I could give a 
 number of others.

 I have no particular objection to your request, but even by itself for 
 somebody over marriageable age to be declared as to “never have married” 
 because records cannot be found does not make sense.

 Ron Ferguson
 http://www.fergys.co.uk/


 From: Pat Hickin
 Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 10:15 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] marriages

 But if there is no known relationship that resulted in a marriage or in any 
 known children, you don't have a marriage screen.  All I am asking for is the 
 ability to say (on the individual screen) that the individual never married 
 without making any kind of statement in regard to children, since I have no 
 way of knowing (especially for a man and most especially for one long since 
 dead) whether he fathered children.

 It seems so obvious to me!!

 As for those of you who are weary of this discussion, just don't bother to 
 read the correspondence on the subject -- !!

 Pat


 On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Tony Slunka eas-...@pacbell.net wrote:
 Tony

 As a programmer you know that  for the statement This person did not marry 
 and had no children to be true both parts of the statement must be true.

 If there is no marriage/relationship and no child the you would mark the 
 This person did not marry and had no children

 If either part is false than either a child was born or a marriage occurred.

 If a child was born than a marriage/relationship occurred. The marriage 
 screen allows you to mark did not marry if this is the case.

 If a marriage occurred the marriage screen allows you to mark  no children 
 if this is the case.

 Tony S.

 -Original Message-
 From: Tony Rolfe [mailto:geneal...@gillandtony.com]
 Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 9:27 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] marriages

 Jay

 I wrote my first program in 1967 and was a professional programmer and 
 database designer from 1972 until I retired in 2004.  I have designed and 
 implemented databases far more complex than that used by Legacy - which is 
 in no way meant to belittle the Legacy programmers.  No database should be 
 any more complex than necessary.

 If I (or my team) ever implemented something which did not reflect the 
 reality of the situation we were emulating, then we would consider it a bug.

 All Pat and I want is for the statement This person did not marry and had 
 no children to be split into two halves, and for the did not marry half 
 to be available when there is a relationship record created in Legacy.

 If anyone has no use for that, then fine - don't useit.  I have no use 
 for LDS ordinances, so I make no comment about them.

 If a person did not marry, then that is something which should be recorded 
 at the individual level.  It is a little strange to suggest that the fact 
 that someone did not marry should be recorded in a marriage record.

 Yes, I have entered this as a suggestion through proper channels.

 Tony


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Re: [LegacyUG] marriages

[Don Hendershot]

Why does this thread continue ad mausium?  Please exchange E-Mails and take it 
off-line!  It was already old last week.

~Don


On Jun 23, 2013, at 8:49 AM, Ward Walker wnkwal...@rogers.com wrote:

 OK, if we are reasonably clear on the underlying database structure and the
 use of a 'marriage' record for any relationship that produces a child, let
 me ask this: what would be the precise meaning of adding a specific database
 flag (i.e., a checkbox for the individual) that says the person did not
 marry? Such a flag could not have a biological context, but rather would
 have a cultural meaning, certainly subject to interpretation. Wouldn't some
 people interpret it as referring to religious weddings, only. Other people
 would include official civil weddings. What about couples that have lived
 together common law for 40 years, with no wedding? Would checking the box
 include or exclude that? What about a marriage that is annulled after 10
 days?

 My point is that such observations belong in Notes or Event/Facts, where
 they can be explained in context. Having a database construct is only useful
 for such things as generating a symbol next to the name in Family view, or
 for automatically adding a statement in a report (with hard-coded wording),
 or possibly for a search criterion. Such a database construct/checkbox
 should only be used for a fact that is well-defined and not subject to
 personal interpretation.

 To me, even the current checkbox has limited usefulness, for the same
 reasons. It is helpful for the 'no children' part of it. And perhaps the
 'not marry' part can sometimes be a helpful research aid to save me from
 searching records for an official marriage that is somehow already known not
 to exist. But notes can do that too.

  Ward

 -Original Message-
 From: Tony Rolfe
 Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 12:27 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] marriages

 Jay

 I wrote my first program in 1967 and was a professional programmer and
 database designer from 1972 until I retired in 2004.  I have designed
 and implemented databases far more complex than that used by Legacy -
 which is in no way meant to belittle the Legacy programmers.  No
 database should be any more complex than necessary.

 If I (or my team) ever implemented something which did not reflect the
 reality of the situation we were emulating, then we would consider it a bug.

 All Pat and I want is for the statement This person did not marry and
 had no children to be split into two halves, and for the did not
 marry half to be available when there is a relationship record created
 in Legacy.

 If anyone has no use for that, then fine - don't use it.  I have no use
 for LDS ordinances, so I make no comment about them.

 If a person did not marry, then that is something which should be
 recorded at the individual level.  It is a little strange to suggest
 that the fact that someone did not marry should be recorded in a
 marriage record.

 Yes, I have entered this as a suggestion through proper channels.

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Re: [LegacyUG] marriages -- going off-list

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Thanks Ward and all for understanding!

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Re: [LegacyUG] marriages

[Don Hendershot]

Yes

~Don


On Jun 22, 2013, at 6:32 AM, Duane Baker dbake...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Much ado about nothing.

 From: Mike Fry emjay...@gmail.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 4:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] marriages

 On 2013/06/22 07:11, Lee Bruch wrote:

  I can live with it, realizing that what Legacy calls a marriage really
  isn't what is usually called a marriage. Legacy's use of the word marriage
   appears to just mean the linking of people, and it may or may not signify a
   formal marriage.

 At last! Someone else has finally grasped the fact that a Legacy-marriage is
 *not* a marriage (civil, religious or otherwise) between two people. At its' 
 basic
 level, it's just a coupling that produced a child. And as Ron Taylor
 painstakingly tries to explain, it's the device used to construct the 
 beginnings
 of a family group.

 As I said much earlier in the piece, the choice of the word Marriage for this
 linkage between two people, is poor. In earlier days, the choice was okay and
 didn't give rise to all this confusion. As evidenced by this discussion, there
 is much confusion out there.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Never married option in Legacy 8

[Don Hendershot]

Please!  Make it stop!

~Don


On Jun 20, 2013, at 1:46 PM, hwedhlor hwedh...@cox.net wrote:

 Hi Jenny,

 Of course people are concerned about words.  Words are how
 we communicate, for the most part.  Most words have
 definitions that are accepted widely enough to be included
 in current dictionaries.

 In the strictest of definitions of biological genealogy
 the primary purpose of entering the names of two individuals
 of opposite gender in our databases is to identify one as
 the biological father, and the other as the biological
 mother of a child.  Not to identify any residential, social,
 civil or religious associations.  However, tagging all
 sexual relationships that resulted in offspring as
 marriages is ridiculous.

 Those other relationships however are important to defining
 the family environments that existed, and they are
 important to us as family historians in both recording, and
 researching our family histories.  For example, in my case I
 was raised by loving, adoptive parents, and for the first
 decade of my life the only family I knew were members of
 that extended adoptive family. They are, and will remain,
 family to me.  Conversely once I discovered my biological
 relations I expanded my definition of family to include
 each and every one of them, with whom I am also blessed with
 having a loving relationship.  All of those family
 members, biological and adoptive, are in my database, and I
 have identified the relationship between myself and my
 biological and adoptive parents so that I can easily switch
 between the lines within Legacy Family Tree.

 The primary definition of relationship is simply the
 quality or state of being related; connection.  If two
 people create a child then by definition they had a
 relationship in that creation, no matter how fleeting, or
 involuntary that relationship might have been.  No matter
 what the nature, or duration of the relationship, if it
 resulted in offspring then one of the two people involved
 was the father, and the other was the mother.  Conversely as
 genealogists we have no interest in documenting the dating
 history of our family members.  If a relationship that did
 not result in offspring was acknowledged by civil or
 religious documentation, or was recognized by family and/or
 society as a marriage that relationship belongs in our
 databases if we are recording family history.  I'm sure
 there are additional relationships that I've overlooked, and
 short of same-sex relationships the end-user is free to
 document those in Legacy Family Tree to their hearts content.

 John Zimmerman
 Mesa, AZ

 On 20-Jun-13 6:22 AM, Jenny M Benson wrote:
 On 18/06/2013 17:10, John Zimmerman wrote:
 Why not simply rename the Marriage Indormation Window to call it the 
 Relationship Information Window?
 Because then people would quibble over the meaning of the word
 Relationship and say that a one-night-stand or AI or rape or
 whatever does not constitute a Relationship.

 It has long been my opinion that people (not specifically Legacy users)
 get far too hung up on actual words, rather than the intended meaning of
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Re: [LegacyUG] czech names

[Don Hendershot]

My wife's family is from Yugoslavia and the names have special characters as 
well.  I've successfully copy/pasted all them into the Legacy name fields.  I 
haven't had any that didn't stay so far.

Hopefully, the Legacy folks will address this in a future release.

~Don


On May 2, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com 
wrote:

 At this time, Legacy only supports Western European fonts.  You'll
 need to use those fonts in lieu of Czech fonts.


 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree


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 wrote:

 My wifes mothers family is from Bohemia and Monrovia and their name is 
 spelled Buřival and Buřivalová.  How do I put that into the name field or 
 should I use my notes field and use the American name of Burival.
 Also the birth place, he was born at Lanškroun 103, Okres Ústí nad Orlicí, 
 Česká Republika.  How do I put that in the place name.  I know that 103 
 would not be used only in sources as an address.  but was wondering about 
 the place name and their name with the Czech name?

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Re: [LegacyUG] Panic!

[Don Hendershot]

Your .fdb or other files be set to Read Only if you moved software using a CD.

~Don


On Apr 8, 2013, at 9:21 AM, BK Ford pastors...@gmail.com wrote:

 Responding to this while traveling, so not at my computer. But I tried two 
 installs, both from the actual web site, so I'm confident it's the latest 
 version. The first time I tried while the problem child was still on the 
 computer. The second time I tried was after I had done an uninstall from the 
 Control Panel Remove Programs. Still have not had a chance to try all the 
 suggestions from Ron.



 Sent from my iPad

 On Apr 8, 2013, at 8:31 AM, Freuler freu...@frontier.com wrote:

 It is possibly a versioning thing. Maybe you aren't installing the latest 
 V6. There might be confusion in the registry because you are installing a 
 previous version over a later one.

 On Apr 8, 2013, at 6:22 AM, Virginia Blakelock vblakel...@gmail.com wrote:

 Barbara -

 The Legacy Help site has detailed instructions for handling
 Installation problems.  Perhaps you will find some suggestions there:

 http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/helpWindows87andVista.asp

 Virginia



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Re: [LegacyUG] Multimedia Locations

[Don Hendershot]

I normally really enjoy being on this alias.  I'm now starting to find it 
annoying to get over 100 E-Mails on only 2 topics on a Sunday.

Just saying,
~Don


On Feb 18, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Randy Clark ceddaco...@gmail.com wrote:

 Not only Millenium but Millenia as well.


 On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Brian L. Lightfoot 
 br...@the-lightfoots.com wrote:
 I find it a very pleasant surprise that anybody responds on a Sunday, let 
 alone a Sunday before a national holiday here in the states (Its Presidents 
 Day, or a combination of what used to be George Washington's Birthday and 
 Abraham Lincoln's birthday.). Only Millenium would a user get that kind of 
 support; not with any other genealogical software.

 Brian in CA


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 From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
 Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 1:58 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Multimedia Locations

 On 18/02/2013 00:55, Brian L. Lightfoot wrote:
  PS to Brian in Support - Why are you there on this holiday weekend?

 You don't think he'd abandon us in our hour of need, do you?

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Re: [LegacyUG] Webinar Wednesday - Eastern European Genealogy

[Don Hendershot]

I have had a modicum of success cutting and pasting both Given and Surname
fields that contain diacritical marks in the Individual's Information
dialog box.  For example, Matevž Štalcar, my wife's grandfather from
Slovenia, has a mark above the z and the S that do show up properly.  They
even print out of Legacy for me in the reports I've tried so far.

There are some diacritics, however, that don't copy/paste and I don't
remember what those are off-hand.  You'll have to experiment and discover
what works and what doesn't.

Perhaps copy/paste will serve as a (abeit weak and only partial)
work-around till Legacy gets that pretty necessary requirement
implemented.  It doesn't seem to me that it would be rocket-science for a
good software company to implement.

I suspect one could somehow install and/or select a proper Windows True
Type Font (TTF) for their particular PC and Legacy might use it as-is.
I've been out of the PC Super-user loop too long to remember exactly how to
(potentially) work-out that process.  I used to know a process to install,
implement and select new TTF in Windows.  One could likely be obtained from
the Web.  Perhaps a PC guru (Legacy?) could suggest a step-by-step for
the more sophisticated user to follow with a strong disclaimer for the
novice that it could really, really mess up his/her PC. -- Or, not.  Just a
thought.

Best,
Don Hendershot

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 4:53 PM, John Bernacki
johnberna...@tadaust.org.auwrote:

   It is very inconvenient that Legacy does not handle Eastern European
 diacritics. I suggested that capability to Legacy a few years ago, hoping
 it would be included in an updated version before I was ready to publish my
 family history. If Legacy eventually does handle the diacritics, I will
 need to spend much time doing “search and replace”.

 Regards,
 John Bernacki

  *From:* Jacob Psutka 4freeb...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:22 AM
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Webinar Wednesday - Eastern European Genealogy

 Geoff,

 To go along with the Eastern Europe webinar, I hope there are plans in the
 immediate future (like Legacy 8) to have unicode in Legacy so that proper
 names and addresses can be recorded.

 Regards,

 Jacob Psutka


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Re: [LegacyUG] Marriage images in a report

[Don Hendershot]

Thanks Leon!  That looks  like an excellent approach.  Luckily, I don't have 
many marriage pics linked yet.  Unfortunately, I have hundreds of individuals 
with multiple image links. I have a bit of work to do there.

I really like the idea of labeling them clearly and having that info. show in a 
report!

Many thanks!
~Don


On Dec 14, 2012, at 9:34 AM, Leon Chapman chap...@gmail.com wrote:

 The trick is to always attach pictures to an Event, eg, Individual event, 
 marriage event.
 The event pictures will print in the reports.
 I have many events under marriage for a couple and have a picture attached to 
 each event.

 You can only print one picture per event, so name your events something 
 associated with the picture -- e.g.,
 1. Marriage picture
 2. 20th anniversay picture
 3. Yellowstone vacation
 4. Family reunion

 Using different event names will help in your reports rather than just using 
 Family Picture for every event name.

 I also do the same thing for each individual that I have multiple pictures 
 for.  Individuals might have event picture names:
 1.  HS graduation
 2.  College graduation
 3.  Army boot camp
 4. Tombstone

 I normally only have one picture assigned to each individual that appears in 
 the Family Group screen and all the other pictures go in as events to the 
 individual.  The events also let's you have a picture caption and a date 
 (very important to put a date with each event  picture) and notes associated 
 witht the picture.

 When you print the Chrolology Report,, all of these picture events will be 
 part of the person's report.  They also appear in the descendant reports if 
 you select to print events and pictures as part of the options.

 You can also chose to print a picture scrapbook for an individual and all the 
 event pictures will be included in the scrapbook for that individual.

 I have published 4 books of over 300 pages each using this method and it 
 works very nicely.

 Good luck.


 ___
 Leon Chapman
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 -



 On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Don Hendershot donald.henders...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Legacy 7.5 with updates.

 I've attached pictures (.jpg) to several Marriages from the Marriage 
 Information screen.  How can I include those images in a  Decendant report? 
 I get the images linked to Individuals but none of the marriage images.

 I went to Reports  All Reports  Decendants.  I checkmarked Decendant Book 
  Report Options  Pictures  Picture of husband and wife.  I don't see 
 any other options to get pictures of married couples into a Decendant report.

 Is this possible?  Any thoughts appreciated!

 Thanks!
 ~Don H
 [Researching Hendershot, Ledford, Bader, Gutting, Nash, and Leach], 
 [Stalcar, Sparovic, Soja, Derganc, Ivec, Bukovec and Kostelic]




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Re: [LegacyUG] Future updates

[Don Hendershot]

I disagree with belaboring a  negative assessment of Milleniums' performance;  
especially at the Legacy 7.5 price point!

Millennia does an excellent job in a small niche market with a steep 
middle-managent learning curve and with pretty limited resources.

I expect some hickups, as long as it doesn't become the norm, and I want to 
make sure I always give credit where credit is due.

Legacy 7.5 is a very good product at a very good price!  I wouldn't hesitate to 
buy it again right now.

~Don


On Nov 21, 2012, at 7:15 AM, Mike Fry emjay...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 2012/11/21 14:59, Ronald Bernier wrote:

 with all due respect, you are entitled to your opinion, but there are some of
 us who are interested in learning if a new release is imminent, or if there
 are new improvements on the horizon.  If you are not interested in this
 information, that is all well and good, just delete any related emails.  You
 keep saying the release of version 7 was a problem - again, many of us
 disagree with your assessment.  I mean no disrepect, but everytime someone
 asks a question along this line, you send the exact same response word for
 word.

 I beg to differ. The release of version 7 was a shambles. Millennia made the
 mistake of raising expectations and then couldn't deliver on the several dates
 that they proposed. This led to a furore within this group, with a lot of 
 people
 just asking When, When, When and displaying a lack of patience because 
 of
 their raised expectations.

 The correct way of handling future releases, and Millennia is not Apple or
 Microsoft, is not to make sound until there's something concrete in the
 pipeline. And even then, the announcement should only mention a date that can 
 be
 met with 100% certainty.

 Until then... you'll just have to develop some patience.

 --
 Regards,
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources and dates

[Don Hendershot]

The only time Legacy does  not properly convert a date I enter is because I 
make a mistake when I enter it.

Try this. Re-enter those 'bad' dates  taking special care to to it properly.  
i.e. No extra spaces, no special characters, no all-thumbs typing, etc..

Computers don't think or care!  So - 99.9% of the time, we users are the 
problem. Over my 41+ years designing and using computers, I have always had to 
make myself slow down and be methodical with data entry.

Always double-check your actual entries first.  It could be something as simple 
as that.

I'll be watching this thread aa I may learn something new here as well.

~Don


On Nov 14, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Pat Hickin pph...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can someone tell me why it is that when I am entering source data and have a 
 field labeled Date or Date Recorded and I enter the date as MM/DD/ 
 Legacy converts the date to, say, 07 Nov 2012 and at other times leaves it 
 as 11/7/2012.   Since the latter could be misconstrued as 11 Jul 2012 it 
 would seem desirable for Legacy to make the conversion so that I could 
 correct it if necessary.

 Does anyone know the reason why certain date fields are NOT converted 
 (although most of them are)??

 Thanks,
 Pat


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Re: [LegacyUG] Y-DNA List

[Don Hendershot]

Nice!  Thank you.

~Don


On Oct 30, 2012, at 10:18 AM, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

 For the last few days I have had a niggle, or to be accurate my mind has. It
 started just after there was a post which asked why someone used Ancestors
 Tagging instead of Descendants, to which I replied that they were different.
 A piece of information which I had never really thought about. Last night,
 over a contemplative pint, I realised that this information could be put to
 use in selecting males for Y-DNA GEDCOMs as requested by, say FT-DNA.

 Create a GEDCOM for Y-DNA:

 Part 1

 Select three unused Tags (or make sure that they are cleared) - I am going
 to use 1, 2, and 3
 Starting with myself
 Go to Advanced Tagging and select Tag 1
 Select Ancestors
 Select Direct Line Ancestors
 Uncheck Include other spouses
 OK and then Close

 Part 2

 Starting with my oldest male direct line ancestor
 Go to Advanced Tagging and select Tag 2
 Select Descendants
 Select Descendants  (includes all descendants)
 OK and then Close

 Part 3

 SearchFindDetail Search

 1st Row

 Individual: Male
 Where to look: Tag 1
 Equals
 Tagged

 AND

 2nd Row

 Individual Male
 Where to look: Tag 2
 Equals
 Tagged

 Now ensure that Clear list before this search is checked and then Create
 List

 Part 4

 On the new screen click options then Advanced Tagging and select Tag 3
 Select Everyone in Search List
 Close

 Part 5

 Create GEDCOM selecting Tag 3 as the criteria.

 Tested and verified today.

 Enjoy!!




 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors

[Don Hendershot]

I can't help but smile.  Twenty-three steps to do this?

I think you need to be standing on just your left foot, it has to be done on a 
Tuesday and it will only work on Dec. 21st when all the stars are in alignment.

Here is an opportunity for Legacy to provide a good, new feature.  The 
step-by-step process to automate at least parts of this is already provided.

2 cents,
~Don


On Oct 28, 2012, at 6:02 AM, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

 Ron,

 Did you check that?

 Since the OP uses the Basic version and not Deluxe I tested your method in
 the Basic version using myself as the start, and found that my mother was
 tagged and all her direct line ancestors, of both sexes.

 I then ran the same in the Deluxe version with the same results.

 I would not say that this is a bug because the radio button for including
 spouses, sates clearly “include *other* spouses” i.e. *not* the preferred
 spouse (in my view).

 Ron Ferguson
 http://www.fergys.co.uk/


 From: Ron Taylor
 Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:31 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors

 Here's how it is done.
 1) Check the box Enable tagging options in
 OptionsCustomizeGeneralTagging Options.  Click Save.

 2) Navigate to the individual for whom direct line ancestry will be exported
 to a GEDCOM so that person is highlighted (called the current individual).
 3) Control-T to open the Advanced Tagging window.  It should show the
 highlighted person from step 2 in the field just below Individual Tagging.
 4) Set the Untag radio button and set Make changes on #: to a tag number
 that can be cleared.
 5) Next Set the Tag radio button, keep the Make changes on #: tag number
 that was cleared in step 4.
 6) Click on the Ancestors button.  The individual highlighted in step 2
 should show in the field just below Current Individual.
 7) Enter the Number of Generations to include that will be tagged.
 8) Set the Direct Line Ancestors radio button.
 9) If the export will be to a GEDCOM, this step is unnecessary because the 3
 boxes described will be set again at step 18.  An export to another Legacy
 database will use the 3 boxes at this step.  Uncheck the 3 boxes just below
 that radio button titled Include Other Spouses, Include Siblings, and
 Include Spouses of Siblings.  (If you wish to export complete group sheets
 for all the direct line ancestors, then leave these 3 boxes checked.)
 10) Click OK to have the designated ancestors tagged.
 11) Click FileExport toGEDCOM file to open the GEDCOM Export window.
 12) Click the Privacy tab and check the boxes as desired.  If you want all
 private items to export, click the button Check All and it will set all
 the other boxes for you.
 13) Click the Options tab.
 14) Select from the pull-down menu Produce file for: the intended file
 format for the export.
 15) Select from the pull-down menu Character Set: the intended character
 set for the export.
 16) Set or check any of the remaining options for the export.
 17) Click the button Record Selection then set the radio button
 18) Set the radio button All records with an individual tag of: and the
 tag number from step 5.  Then uncheck the 3 boxes that were described in
 step 9 or check them if desired.
 19) Click Close.
 20) Click Select File Name and Start Export.
 21) Enter a file name that will receive the GEDCOM exported data.
 22) Legacy will export the GEDCOM information to the file specified in step
 21 and then display a Message window that shows how many individuals and
 families were exported.  Click OK.
 23) Use the exported GEDCOM file as desired.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors

[Don Hendershot]

Insert a big, gigantic grin here!

~Don


On Oct 28, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

 The type of coding can be set by using the drop-down menu (arrow) next to the 
 box below that for the GEDCOM type setting. But I use utf8 as it is this 
 setting which I find best for all non alphanumeric characters, and it is the 
 one commonly used by the sites to which I send the GEDCOM.

 The only time when I use ANSI is Legacy to Legacy transfers, using the Legacy 
 GEDCOM format.
 Ron Ferguson
 http://www.fergys.co.uk/
 GOONS #5307


 R G Strong-genes rgstrongge...@gmail.com wrote:

 Also be aware, that if you use special characters for foreign words, that
 you need to change the GEDCOM character set to ANSI, as the characters will
 not export correctly with the default character set for the GEDCOM. Legacy
 changed the default and I have not found away to change the default back to
 ANSI.

 -Original Message-
 From: Ron Taylor
 Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:52 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors

 You are right.  It can't be done in one simple step by pressing the right
 key.  I have searched for years to find the magic button that will do all my
 genealogy.

 As a DNA Project Coordinator, I will assume that what was requested is the
 male direct line ancestors versus all the direct line ancestors.  To produce
 a GEDCOM file of just the male direct line, you should manually tag each of
 those male ancestors instead of steps 5 thru 10.  If you want their spouses,
 then tag them also.  Another option would be to use the LtoolsAdvanced
 TaggingY-DNA which can set tags for Y-DNA descendants.  This could be done
 on tag2 and then reselect for individuals with tag1 and tag2 which would be
 ancestors of the highlighted individual that have the same Y-DNA.

 One more idea would be to use the Legacy ChartingDescendantDNAMale
 Y-DNACarriers Only to produce a chart of the possible Y-DNA candidates from
 the Legacy database and then use it to guide you in setting tags.  This
 chart is only for descendants of an individual like the results of the
 LtoolsAdvanced TaggingY-DNA but should include the ancestor line you want
 for the GEDCOM export so it can be verified.

 Sorry that some of these processes can seem difficult but with a little
 experience they will be easy to execute.  Maybe Millennia will automate
 routines that are frequently requested.

 Ron Taylor

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Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors

[Don Hendershot]

Thanks for the additional insight!  I understand.  I'm not elated but ... what 
can you do?

~Don


On Oct 28, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

 Absolutely correct, Dave.
 Ron Ferguson
 http://www.fergys.co.uk/
 GOONS #5307


 Dave Naylor davidcnay...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 28 Oct 2012  Don Hendershot wrote:

 I can't help but smile.  Twenty-three steps to do this? I
 think you need to be standing on just your left foot, it has to
 be done on a Tuesday and it will only work on Dec. 21st when
 all the stars are in alignment. Here is an opportunity for
 Legacy to provide a good, new feature.  The step-by-step
 process to automate at least parts of this is already
 provided.

 Don... when Millennia first added the capability to include DNA test
 results I made the suggestion to automate the generation of an
 ancestral paternal-only gedcom (for Y-DNA purposes) and an ancestral
 maternal-only gedcom (for mt-DNA purposes).  Since then there's the
 additional need for an all-lineage ancestral gedcom (for at-DNA
 purposes).  As is obvious, these weren't seen as desirable features
 for Legacy.  So instead, Legacy users have to resort to using one of
 the many add-ons or other utilities to fill this need.

 I gave up wasting my 2 cents!

 It's extremely frustrating when users on the many DNA forums ask
 which genealogy program is the best for their use and we cannot
 recommend Legacy for any DNA testing features.

 Cheers! -- Dave N.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Ipad App for legacy

[Don Hendershot]

I have the Families App on my iPhone and love it!

There is a separate Sync executable you download and put on your Windows PC. 
You run that program whenever you want to  transfer a Legacy database in either 
direction.

Note that it doesn't really merge databases.  It simply transfers the entire 
database.  I never make updates to my data on my PC and iPhone at the same time.

~Don


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 If you are referring to the Families app from TelGen, the companion Families 
 Sync app that you use to create the file for your mobile device supports 
 creating the file for both Apple devices and Android devices. I have a 
 Windows computer (obviously) running Legacy, and use Families on an Ipod 
 Touch with no problem.

 Paul Gray


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 Sent: October-24-12 8:02 AM
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 Subject: [LegacyUG] Ipad App for legacy

 On the App for the IPAD, how do I load my family tree that was on a Windows 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Ipad App for legacy

[Don Hendershot]

The data itself can be transferred to your iPad; not just the pictures.  The 
real question is Is there a version of Legacy available that will work on the 
iPad and, therefore, allow you to use that data?.

Either way, you'll need to learn how to use a new Operating System.

~Don

On Oct 24, 2012, at 3:17 PM, MJ SA michs...@gmail.com wrote:

 My laptop crashed last night. I went to Best Buy to buy an ultra book,
 than they talked me into getting the IPAD. I asked them if data can be
 transferred from the PC to the IPAD they said NO, only pictures can be
 transferred.  So than I went back to looking at laptops and they
 showed me the new Windows 8 that can't be sold til Friday. The
 keyboard folds back and it is like using the Ipad. So I will go back
 on Friday and get it. But another email just talked about different
 operating systems with Windows 8, so now I don't know what kind of
 Windows 8I looked at.

 On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Don Hendershot
 donald.henders...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have the Families App on my iPhone and love it!

 There is a separate Sync executable you download and put on your Windows 
 PC. You run that program whenever you want to  transfer a Legacy database in 
 either direction.

 Note that it doesn't really merge databases.  It simply transfers the entire 
 database.  I never make updates to my data on my PC and iPhone at the same 
 time.

 ~Don


 On Oct 24, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Paul Gray grayp...@telus.net wrote:

 If you are referring to the Families app from TelGen, the companion 
 Families Sync app that you use to create the file for your mobile device 
 supports creating the file for both Apple devices and Android devices. I 
 have a Windows computer (obviously) running Legacy, and use Families on an 
 Ipod Touch with no problem.

 Paul Gray


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 Sent: October-24-12 8:02 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Ipad App for legacy

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Re: [LegacyUG] Basic Source Format vs Source Writer

[Don Hendershot]

lol

~Don


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wrote:

 I knew that NARA is an acronym for the National Archives and Records
 Administration.
 I'm also waiting for answer to Don's question. What does the NARA
 mneumonic mean?

 I know a mneumonic for the resistor color code - 0 Black, 1 Brown, 2
 Red, 3 Orange, 4 Yellow, 5 Green, 6 Blue, 7 Violet, 8 Grey, 9 White.
 Since it is slightly off-color and off-topic I will not divulge it
 here.

 --
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 On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Don Hendershot
 donald.henders...@gmail.com wrote:
 Please excuse the newbie question.  What does the NARA mneumonic mean?

 Thanks,
 ~DonH


 On Oct 9, 2012, at 8:35 AM, mvmc...@aol.com wrote:

 The current NARA GIL [General Information Leaflet] is:

 (GIL 17) Citing Records in the National Archives of the United States, [rev.
 2010], 12 pp.
 http://www.archives.gov/publications/general-info-leaflets/index.html This
 is a PDF format and can be downloaded

 NARA published one way back in 1990 called Using Records in the National
 Archives for Genealogical Research GIL #5. This was replace by a GIL #110.
 But when NARA replaced it they did not include the source citation templates
 which were all geared to genealogists.

 The source templates in GIL #110 are more generic for any researcher not the
 specific ones for a compiled military service record, a pension application,
 a bounty land application file or a census.

 Marie

 Marie Varrelman Melchiori, CG, CGL
 Melchiori Research Services, L.L.C.
 ---
 CG, Certified Genealogist and CGL, Certified Genealogical Lecturer are
 service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists ® , used under
 license by Board-certified associates after periodic competency evaluations.

 In a message dated 10/9/2012 5:21:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
 pph...@gmail.com writes:

 Marie,



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Re: [LegacyUG] Basic Source Format vs Source Writer

[Don Hendershot]

Thanks Michele  Lee!

~Don


On Oct 10, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Lee Bruch lbr...@nwlink.com wrote:

 NARA = National Archives and Record Administration.
 If you are anywhere in the neighborhood of one of the regional National 
 Archives repositories be sure to drop in. They can be immensely helpful to 
 genealogists, and have electronic access to all federal electronic records. 
 And they give you access to any of the original documents stored for that 
 region in that regional repository. And all of the information that any of 
 the private for-profit genealogy companies “sell” is available for free 
 there. And the computers there have free access to all of those companies 
 websites.
 The regional repository here in Seattle is a great source for me.
 Look them up on the web at http://www.archives.gov/


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 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 9:26 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Cc: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Basic Source Format vs Source Writer

 Please excuse the newbie question.  What does the NARA mneumonic mean?

 Thanks,
 ~DonH


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Re: [LegacyUG] Date Order

[Don Hendershot]

Thanks!

~Don


On Oct 4, 2012, at 8:48 AM, bgsu1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Don Hendershot donald.henders...@gmail.com proclaimed:

 Apparently, it is not possible to sort the date column on the Index Tab.  Is 
 there a relatively quick way to get the data to display like that?  If not, 
 can one generate a report or output a .cvs or .xls file.

 Bring up the 'Name List' and look for 'Print...'.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Date Order

[Don Hendershot]

Thanks much Sherry for the quick and insightful responce!

I will look into GenView too. It sounds like a good tool.

I've worked as a Corporate Application Engineer in the Support Group for a 
high-end commercial software company for 16 years.

I can say, after monitoring this E-Mail alias and from personal experience, 
that Legacy Support is top-notch!

Thanks!

~Don


On Oct 4, 2012, at 8:50 AM, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com 
wrote:

 The Index view is another way of looking at the Name List. Like the
 Name LIst, it can only be sorted by #, Given and Surname. You can save
 the Index Report (click on the Print button in the Name List) as csv
 but Excel doesn't know what to do with dates prior to 1901 so you
 won't get a good sort by dates.

 GenViewer, an add-on program which we sell, does sort by column. You
 might want to take a look at that. It's an *awesome* viewer which will
 read the FDB file (as well as several other genealogy file types) and
 allows you to do some great searches, sorts and has some basic report
 printing features. My favorite feature is the self-viewing gedcom,
 which allows you to create a file that has a run-time of GenViewer so
 you can view the file on any computer without installing any programs.

 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree


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 donald.henders...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 I'm a new Legacy user here and am really enjoying the excellent Legacy 
 Support and the insightful comments from fellow users!

 Apparently, it is not possible to sort the date column on the Index Tab.  Is 
 there a relatively quick way to get the data to display like that?  If not, 
 can one generate a report or output a .cvs or .xls file. I've been looking 
 but don't see anything obvious yet.

 Thanks!
 ~DonH



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Re: [LegacyUG] Date Order

[Don Hendershot]

Thank for the tips Richard!

~Don


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 Don,

 An XLS will not help as Excel time begins Jan 1, 1900. Anything before
 that is text.
 A really handy and inexpensive  program, ltools, will let you easily
 look at it and sort dates perfectly.

 --
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 donald.henders...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 I'm a new Legacy user here and am really enjoying the excellent Legacy 
 Support and the insightful comments from fellow users!

 Apparently, it is not possible to sort the date column on the Index Tab.  Is 
 there a relatively quick way to get the data to display like that?  If not, 
 can one generate a report or output a .cvs or .xls file. I've been looking 
 but don't see anything obvious yet.

 Thanks!
 ~DonH




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Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text

[Don Hendershot]

Second the motion!

~Don


On Sep 18, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Tim Rosenlof spa...@xmission.com wrote:

 On 9/18/2012 12:39 PM, Brian Johnson wrote:
 No, it remains at whatever the last instance was. Mine has always been
 set to plain text and has never changed.

 Brian

 How about this thread be DROPPED !

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 Utah, USA
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Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text

[Don Hendershot]

Please!  Make it stop!

~Don


On Sep 18, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Bernhard Scholz scholz-c...@gmx.de wrote:

 Ron,

 the question in the first email was about the possibility to attach an image 
 or
 to use plain text or not.

 Thanks for checking RootsWeb.
 The scrubbing isn't the best sollution as information could be lost.
 Would you like to rewrite your emails several times until it fit to the 
 filters.

 I don't.

 In my opinion it's not Legacy's job to check if something is insulting.
 That's the problem of the writer and the reader.

 Why is it Unfortunately Millennia doesn't want to offend customers by having
 email rejected.
 If they did it we would be a situation like we have in many countries.
 As an example I'm thinking of eg. the old GDR.
 Everybody not thinking like them was rejected.


 Bernhard



 -Original Message-
 From: Ron Bernier [mailto:ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net]
 Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 12:35 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text

 Lloyd,
 It doesn't happen with RootsWeb.  Attachments are blocked and the email is
 rejected.  If a message is not plain text, the RootsWeb server attempts to 
 strip
 out the HTML code and then posts the plain text.  If the message can't be
 scrubbed it is rejected.  A very simple solution.

 You have to remember, RootsWeb lists are a convenience for people to
 communicate.  RootsWeb isn't concerned about insulting anyone for rejecting 
 the
 person's email.  On the other hand, the Legacy list serves two purposes - 
 first,
 it allows users to exchange ideas.
 Second, it is also used for users (customers) to communicate with support via
 the list.  Unfortunately Millennia doesn't want to offend customers by having
 email rejected, so the have made a conscious decision to use email software 
 that
 cannot be configured to block attachments and HTML messages.

 Ron Bernier
 Sent from my iPad

 On Sep 16, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Lloyd Hite lhite3...@juno.com wrote:

 On 9/16/2012 4:30 PM, Ron Bernier wrote:
 forced to have to put our anti-virus software to the test.
 Unfortunately, every time this discussion arises, there are certain
 individuals who basically respond that they will post in whatever
 format that they choose to post in and they display a total lack of
 concern/regard for everyone else on the list.

 Ron Bernier
 Woonsocket, RI

 Legacy should make a ruling of one warning and then next time booted
 off the list for a couple of months. I wonder if these HTML lovers
 have tried this with the rootsweb lists.

 Lloyd

 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Traveling with legacy

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I love the Legacy Families application on my iPhone!  It is very 
user-friendly in my experience.  It may work well for you if your eyesight is 
good with the small smartphone print and if you can negotiate the small 
keyboard.

Moving an updated file between my iPhone and home PC is really easy with the 
built in interface to my wireless network.  You may need to plug into a USB 
port if your not wireless.

I hope this helps!

~Don


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Re: [LegacyUG] Traveling with legacy

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It is possible to take a picture on the iPhone and then add it into the 
Families database.

I only use a PC (Win7) and don't have a Mac or iPad.

It doesn't really seamlessly 'sync'. You have to move the file back onto your 
PC.

You can then use the'Merge' feature if you want to combine databases.

I just make sure that either the PC or the iPhone has the most current file 
prior to editing in any session and thus avoid merging altogether.

~Don


On Sep 3, 2012, at 6:51 AM, MJ SA michs...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, this is helpful. I also heard that when taking pictures of
 records the camera on the iphone is great!  I don't have a mac or
 ipad, will that be a problem when using legacy on the iphone and than
 syncing it to my computers?

 On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Don Hendershot
 donald.henders...@gmail.com wrote:
 I love the Legacy Families application on my iPhone!  It is very 
 user-friendly in my experience.  It may work well for you if your eyesight 
 is good with the small smartphone print and if you can negotiate the small 
 keyboard.

 Moving an updated file between my iPhone and home PC is really easy with the 
 built in interface to my wireless network.  You may need to plug into a USB 
 port if your not wireless.

 I hope this helps!

 ~Don


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 with, even to the FHC. My friend uses a netbook. I am looking for
 suggestions on what to use so I have my legacy family tree with me
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Re: [LegacyUG] Traveling with legacy

[Don Hendershot]

I just did an iPhone search for a Legacy friendly App and found the one named 
Families.

I did have to download a file called LegacySync.exe for use on the PC.

~Don


On Sep 3, 2012, at 6:57 AM, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

 -Original Message-
 From: MJ SA
 Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 1:18 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Traveling with legacy

 Due to my disabilities, my laptop (5.6lbs) is too heavy to travel
 with, even to the FHC. My friend uses a netbook. I am looking for
 suggestions on what to use so I have my legacy family tree with me
 when I go to do research.  I recall someone saying they use a smart
 phone, but I don't remember.  Any suggestions would be greatly
 appreciated.

 M


 I suspect that you are thinking of Families by TelGen which is available for
 iPad etc. and android. It is available fro Legacy (I cannot give you the URL
 as that bar is missing on their website via Legacy Home Tab - hint), but go
 to Add-Ons, then look on the left for Add-Ons again), or use Google for
 TelGen.

 If you are using Android, but cannot access Google Play, it is available on
 Slip-Me.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Traveling with legacy

[Don Hendershot]

Thanks. I double-checked and it is indeed TelGen.

~Don


On Sep 3, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

 Thanks, Randy, I did not have my tablet on to make sure, you are, of course, 
 correct!

 Ron Ferguson
 http://www.fergys.co.uk/


 From: Randy Clark
 Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 3:11 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Traveling with legacy

 I'm guessing Slip-me s/b Slideme.

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 wrote:
 -Original Message-
 From: MJ SA
 Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 1:18 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Traveling with legacy

 Due to my disabilities, my laptop (5.6lbs) is too heavy to travel
 with, even to the FHC. My friend uses a netbook. I am looking for
 suggestions on what to use so I have my legacyfamily tree with me
 when I go to do research.  I recall someone saying they use a smart
 phone, but I don't remember.  Any suggestions would be greatly
 appreciated.

 M


 I suspect that you are thinking of Families by TelGen which is available for
 iPad etc. and android. It is available fro Legacy (I cannot give you the URL
 as that bar is missing on their website via Legacy Home Tab - hint), but go
 to Add-Ons, then look on the left for Add-Ons again), or use Google for
 TelGen.

 If you are using Android, but cannot access Google Play, it is available on
 Slip-Me.

 Ron Ferguson
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Re: [LegacyUG] GenealogyBank

[Don Hendershot]

Yes!  Please make it stop!

~Don


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 Support,
 Can you please step in and put an end to this discussion.  The original 
 question about Geneaology Bank had at least some relevancy to Legacy.  Now 
 the discussion has turned to calls about fixing a computer which obviously 
 has nothing at all to do with Legacy.  Unless someone from support steps in, 
 this lunacy is going to continue.

 Ron Bernier

 On Thursday, August 23, 2012, Syble Glasscock wrote:

 I, too rec'd this same type of call, saying my computer was indicating a high 
 error rate, I had trouble understanding him, so actually hung up the phone, 
 but I'm glad some of you wrote in to LUG because I had some concerns about 
 the call and if my computer was transmitting something, my ISP notified me 
 about a year ago saying I had extremely high usage, and it was to amazon.com, 
 I had made a recent purchase from them.   I ran several virus/malware 
 programs and got it stopped.
 Thanks,
 Syble
 From: mvmc...@aol.com mvmc...@aol.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] GenealogyBank

 I received the same type phone call. He said his name was Andrew and he 
 wanted access to my computer. Same reason my computer was indicating a high 
 error rate. i said I would call him back and the phone number he gave me was 
 an area code that did not exist.

 Marie

 Marie Varrelman Melchiori, CG, CGL
 Melchiori Research Services, L.L.C.
 ---
 CG, Certified Genealogist and CGL, Certified Genealogical Lecturer are 
 service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists ® , used under 
 license by Board-certified associates after periodic competency evaluations.


 --
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 Woonsocket, RI


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Re: Re[2]: [LegacyUG] Source Writer and Clipboard

[Don Hendershot]

A JPG file can be reduced in size without a noticable in the viewable data.  
The problem is that people can then reduce it again and again with a loss of 
data each time.  Eventually you lose so much it becomes a worthless file.  A 
TIF file always retains all of it's original data.

~Don


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 Lots of nuances to the source writer.  When I click on the event and
 then click on the source citation in the event window, the citation
 does show up on the list for alt. death and I did find it in the main
 citation list for the record by scrolling down further.  The document
 image was saved on my computer as a .jpg file.  I did as you suggested
 and saved the picture to the event.  Should we be saving the picture to
 the event and the citation?
 Geoff mentioned in his last webinar saving some things in a .tif file
 as opposed to a .jpg.   Does anyone recall the reasoning behind this?
 Something about the difference in the documents, ie. Bible records vs.
 other types of records.  Why would one file type be better than the
 other?

 -- Original Message --
 From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
 Sent: 8/22/2012 7:26:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer and Clipboard
 On 21/08/2012 23:45, Sentz wrote:


 One of the reasons I bought Legacy was because of the sourcewriter and
 clipboard tools. I have been struggling with these tools for about a
 year.  I have rerun Geoff's start up Ultimate Guide on the topic and
 watched his various webinars where he uses the source writer and
 clipboard, including his most recent one, and have also read
 documentation.   I think I have the process down and then something goes
 haywire with the sourcewriter or the clipboard.  I am not a novice with
 data entry or relational data bases, so this is getting very
 frustrating. What I end up doing is not doing anything in the database
 for a while, take a breather and try again.
 The latest problemI was entering an alternate death event for my
 great grandmother.  I clicked on the tirangle and set up the master
 source which went okay.  Then I set up the detail including linking an
 image of the page from the death index that I had downloaded and cropped
 from Family Search.  Everything looked okay and I clicked save and then
 clicked the bar on the left on the window for the event detail.  Then
 saved the event. It's my understanding that a plus sign should show on
 the line following the event.  Am I correct? When I check on the
 documentation link for the record, the death citation information is not
 showing.  Also, in the event window, the data field labels were
 highlighted. Perhaps is this case it has to do with where I have the
 document image stored.
 I keep thinking that there must be some little step that I am not doing
 correctly.  Any advice would be welcome.



 The + will be there if you have attached a picture to the Event, not if
 you have attached it to the Source.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Picture list

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Each invidual going back 23 generations has one biological father and one 
biological mother respectibly. That is only 46 verifiable people links at two 
per generation.

We don't have 2^23 grandparents over that period of time.  We just have 23 sets 
of grandparents.

~Don


On Aug 18, 2012, at 1:47 PM, Tim Rosenlof spa...@xmission.com wrote:

 On 8/18/2012 1:24 PM, Shack wrote:
 Pedigree back to 370 AD

 On 8/18/2012 1:24 PM, Shack wrote: Pedigree back to 370 AD

 Documented and Sourced ?

 As Geoff say's, 'Genealogy without documentation is nothing but hearsay' !

 That is a good note for everyone.

 You have parents (2 people).
 You have grandparents (4 people).
 You have great grandparents (8 people).
 You have great great grandparents (16 people).
 Such a tree grows exponentially and will eventually become impossibly high.
 Over 23 generations going back to the 1300 Century, have 2²³ (2 to 23 
 power) or roughly 8 million ancestors.

 ( Someone will probably correct my math. However, a lot of ancestors ).

 Happy Hunting

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 Utah, USA
 Swedish Research


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Re: [LegacyUG] Picture list

[Don Hendershot]

Thanks,

My simple example was  only meant for the male line.  I believe I can probably 
get back into the 300's that way.  I'm back to 1602 now and the records on back 
seem to be in place  Otherwise, it is indeed  much, much bigger challenge.

~Don


On Aug 18, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Tim Rosenlof spa...@xmission.com wrote:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedigree_collapse

 --
 Tim Rosenlof
 Utah, USA
 Swedish Research

 On 8/18/2012 2:04 PM, Don Hendershot wrote:
 Each invidual going back 23 generations has one biological father and one 
 biological mother respectibly. That is only 46 verifiable people links at 
 two per generation.

 We don't have 2^23 grandparents over that period of time.  We just have 23 
 sets of grandparents.

 ~Don


 On Aug 18, 2012, at 1:47 PM, Tim Rosenlof spa...@xmission.com wrote:

 On 8/18/2012 1:24 PM, Shack wrote:
 Pedigree back to 370 AD

 On 8/18/2012 1:24 PM, Shack wrote: Pedigree back to 370 AD

 Documented and Sourced ?

 As Geoff say's, 'Genealogy without documentation is nothing but hearsay' !

 That is a good note for everyone.

 You have parents (2 people).
 You have grandparents (4 people).
 You have great grandparents (8 people).
 You have great great grandparents (16 people).
 Such a tree grows exponentially and will eventually become impossibly high.
 Over 23 generations going back to the 1300 Century, have 2²³ (2 to 23 
 power) or roughly 8 million ancestors.

 ( Someone will probably correct my math. However, a lot of ancestors ).

 Happy Hunting

 --
 Tim Rosenlof
 Utah, USA
 Swedish Research



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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Don Hendershot]

I have Legacy7.5 on my WIN7 64 bit PC (not Deluxe). I uploaded pics stored in 
the default Legacy folder and I don't see any issues with that approach.

~Don


On Jul 31, 2012, at 5:10 PM, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

 Just how are you doing it - from where to where - I am having no luck in
 getting Legacy to accept a pic from a folder in my Picture folder (not the
 Legacy Picture folder)? I don't know if it makes a difference, but I am on
 Win7 64bit.

 Ron Ferguson
 http://www.fergys.co.uk/

 -Original Message-
 From: JLB
 Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 11:45 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

 Yes, they are still there. And in the gallery I dragged them into, the
 file-path is shown in the bottom box on the right and also if I click on
 the Edit button. So Legacy knows where they came from. They just don't
 show up in File-Paths as we normally expect. And there's no import of
 embedded metadata as I mentioned although Legacy is slack with metadata
 anyway.
 ---
 JL Beeken
 JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
 http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

 On 7/31/2012 2:13 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote:
 Interesting! Are they still there after you exit and restart Legacy?

 Ron Ferguson
 http://www.fergys.co.uk/

 -Original Message-
 From: JLB
 Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 8:14 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

 Strangely, though, the file-path to the files I dragged and dropped into
 the Source Detail multimedia screen, do not show file-paths under
 Customize/Locations/View all multimedia paths and neither does the drag
 and drop method ask if I want the embedded information added to the Desc
 box.

 Perhaps a Legacy support person could jump in here.
 ---

 JL Beeken
 JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
 http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

 On 7/31/2012 11:39 AM, JLB wrote:
 Excuse me on the last reply. It does indeed seem to be possible. I tried

 10 times on a census record and it wouldn't work. Funny, as it works on
 small portraits. With some persistence, it suddenly worked on the census

 record. There you go! Don't browse, just drag and drop.
 ---
 JL Beeken
 JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
 http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

 On 7/31/2012 11:24 AM, Judith wrote:
 I'm talking to you from my memory as I no longer attach anything to
 Legacy except little portraits for the people I have portraits for. It's
 way too labour-intensive considering I can access any file in a
 nano-second through my filing system.

 I agree, also, if you move a file in your filing system, it drops out of
 legacy and creates a problem.  Better to keep them in the filing system
 for fast access.
 Judith

 -Original Message-
 From: JLB [mailto:j...@jgen.ws]
 Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:49 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

 I think you'd have to experiment with the printing options here. They
 may
 have changed since my day. I know there was/is? a way to print source
 document thumbnails in reports but I didn't think it would be useful for
 a reader so I didn't bother with it.

 There was a time when there was no such thing as a 'File' icon. Document
 formats were linked through the Picture icon. It created major havoc
 when
 the File icon arrived as all the document files were automatically
 unlinked because they weren't an image format.

 I'm talking to you from my memory as I no longer attach anything to
 Legacy except little portraits for the people I have portraits for. It's
 way too labour-intensive considering I can access any file in a
 nano-second through my filing system.
 ---
 JL Beeken
 JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
 http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

 On 7/31/2012 3:45 AM, Robert Runion wrote:
 Thanks for the insight. Some of my scanned documents are cemetery
 listings and census data as you state and I add those to the Master
 source as a 'file', rather than a 'picture'. I presume that the entry
 as a Master Source 'file' would not show as an icon in any subsequent
 book I might print? But, if I inadvertently added it as a 'picture',
 in lieu of a 'file' (I had this happen some years ago), the item icon
 showed along with the 'real' pictures in the resultant book print.  A
 bummer. So far, adding scanned documentation (as opposed to scanned or

 digital photos which I add as a 'picture' ) as a 'file' appears to be
 preferable since the copy/paste function for subsequent entries
 carries the detail sourcing data along to each entry.

 Bob


 On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:23 PM, JLB wrote:

 Either or both.

 Depending what it is it would go under the Picture tab of the Master
 Source or the multimedia tab of Source Detail.

 For instance, a census record probably belongs to one family so I
 would link that to the Multimedia tab for Source Detail.

 If it was a Master Source, (the way I define that would be something
 like a cemetery listing