RE: [LegacyUG] Fixed Fonts, Destroyed Columns?

2014-03-05 Thread William Boswell
I copy from Ancestry and FamilySearch then paste into Windows Notepad which 
eliminates any extra code.  I also save the Notepad file.  I've never had a 
font problem.  The only thing I might have to do is get rid of returns at the 
end of some lines or have Legacy reformat it for me.

I always wondered how other people do their census extracts.  I always use the 
image file and transcribe my own because Ancestry transcriptions are so full of 
errors.  I create a line for each family member listed in the census with 
pertinent information as listed in the census.  I never use the FS citations 
because it doesn't have the person's name come first and it's hard to see the 
important details in the Legacy detail column at the far right.  I put the 
citation information in the detail text instead and as little as possible in 
the citation.

Here's an example of my census extraction.  If anyone needs more information, 
they can go to the image which is attached to it.

Tolson, Edward L, Head, Male, White, 43, Married, Age Married: 22, Can 
Read/Write, Born: District of Columbia; Father: Maryland; Mother: Maryland; 
Draftsman
Tolson, Ada M, Wife, Female, White, 41, Married, Age Married: 19, Can 
Read/Write, Born: District of Columbia; Father: District of Columbia; Mother: 
Virginia
[1930 DC T626_303 Pg 9-B, ED 0356, Washington, District of Columbia, Image 
94.0, FHL microfilm 2340038; April 7, 1930; 2918 Tenth Street NE]

I used to copy the Ancestry transcriptions, but it seemed an awful waste of 
space and clutter.

Bill Boswell

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From: JV Leavitt [mailto:jleavi...@att.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 8:06 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fixed Fonts, Destroyed Columns?

Jay,

I think I do the same thing you do with the census summaries, but I get them 
mostly from FamilySearch. You're right that if you copy and paste from 
Ancestry, you are obliged to close the Notes window, and open it again, so that 
the Legacy default font formatting comes into use.

In FamilySearch census summary windows, there is a Copy button, which if you 
use, and then paste into the Notes window in Legacy, you get close to what you 
probably want, and the font size comes out okay, I suppose because I've set my 
minimum screen font size to 10, and also
to10 in the Legacy Notes window.

I had some trouble with my Notes formatting being lost until I figured out that 
the Notes Zoom button was allowing me to set a Text Font Size.
It appears to always remember it, and I don't lose the formatting now.
Even if I change the Notepad window size, it does not affect the formatting -- 
it will re-word-wrap the lines if necessary.

I don't suppose that this wouldn't change if used in other ways, such as in 
this email message.

If you copy your Notes into WordPad (which I do from time to time, while I am 
making use of the information), with it set to Arial and font size 10, the 
formatting will be the same as it is in your Legacy notes.

Here is an example copied from one of my Legacy Notes windows (I add little 
notes of my own):

*1870 Census -- Turner, Androscoggin, Maine, United States*
Household   GenderAge  Birthplace
Lark D Merrill  M47 Maine
A Melvina Merrill  F 42 Maine = Amanda Melvina
Lothrop
Willard LothropM40 Maine = Amanda's brother,
an invalid

NOTE:  Next door is family of George T. Merril  Lorette 
Georgianna A., and next to them is the family of Alvah and Hannah C.
Merrill with child Nathan -- also including what looks like maybe
the Merrill father, Luther Merrill, age 82.

Citing this Record:
United States Census, 1870, index and images, FamilySearch
(https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M6DZ-RQT : accessed 25 Feb
2014), Lark D Merrill, Maine, United States; citing p. , family 259,
NARA microfilm publication M593, FHL microfilm 000552036.

I don't know how this will look in your email program, but it looks fairly good 
before sending it. :-)

Joseph Leavitt





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RE: [LegacyUG] Fixed Fonts, Destroyed Columns?

2014-03-05 Thread Bob Austen
Hi Bill,



Jumping in here...



I have never been sorry for having too much information…



Like you, I am interested in how others do their census extracts, and we each 
find our own method.  There is no ’right’ way – it’s what works for you.



This is my transcription for Edward L Tolson:



1930 United States Federal Census - District of Columbia - Washington - 
Washington - District 356 – pg 15 of 71

Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Washington, Washington, District of 
Columbia; Roll: 303; Page: 9B; Enumeration District: 0356; Image: 94.0; FHL 
microfilm: 2340038.

Name: Edward L Tolson

Gender: Male

Birth Year:  abt 1887

Birthplace:  District of Columbia

Race:  White

Home in 1930:Washington, Washington, District of Columbia

Map of Home:View Map

Marital Status:Married

Relation to Head of House: Head

Spouse's Name: Ada M Tolson

Father's Birthplace:   Maryland

Mother's Birthplace:  Maryland

Neighbors: View others on page

Household Members:

Edward L Tolson  Washington, Washington, District of Columbia
abt 1887  District of Columbia   Head   Draftsman, Patton 
Company

Ada M TolsonWashington, Washington, District of Columbia
abt 1889  District of Columbia   Wife

Edward L Tolson   Washington, Washington, District of Columbia
abt 1911  District of Columbia   Son

Dorothy E Tolson Washington, Washington, District of Columbia   
 abt 1914  District of Columbia   Daughter

Leo B MiddletonWashington, Washington, District of Columbia
abt 1879  District of Columbia   LodgerPatent Attorney

Name  Age

Edward L Tolson   43

Ada M Tolson41

Edward L Tolson   19

Dorothy E Tolson 16

Leo B Middleton51



I save the image using the first line as the name, create a census Event, 
attach the image to the Event, and copy the transcription in the Event Notes.



My ‘clutter’ comes from copying the transcription to the Research Notes as well 
(as I do for each census obtained).  Then I can easily look at the information 
should a question as to the validity of my research.



Bob A







-Original Message-
From: William Boswell [mailto:whbosw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 6:44 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Fixed Fonts, Destroyed Columns?



I copy from Ancestry and FamilySearch then paste into Windows Notepad which 
eliminates any extra code.  I also save the Notepad file.  I've never had a 
font problem.  The only thing I might have to do is get rid of returns at the 
end of some lines or have Legacy reformat it for me.



I always wondered how other people do their census extracts.  I always use the 
image file and transcribe my own because Ancestry transcriptions are so full of 
errors.  I create a line for each family member listed in the census with 
pertinent information as listed in the census.  I never use the FS citations 
because it doesn't have the person's name come first and it's hard to see the 
important details in the Legacy detail column at the far right.  I put the 
citation information in the detail text instead and as little as possible in 
the citation.



Here's an example of my census extraction.  If anyone needs more information, 
they can go to the image which is attached to it.



Tolson, Edward L, Head, Male, White, 43, Married, Age Married: 22, Can 
Read/Write, Born: District of Columbia; Father: Maryland; Mother: Maryland; 
Draftsman Tolson, Ada M, Wife, Female, White, 41, Married, Age Married: 19, Can 
Read/Write, Born: District of Columbia; Father: District of Columbia; Mother: 
Virginia

[1930 DC T626_303 Pg 9-B, ED 0356, Washington, District of Columbia, Image 
94.0, FHL microfilm 2340038; April 7, 1930; 2918 Tenth Street NE]



I used to copy the Ancestry transcriptions, but it seemed an awful waste of 
space and clutter.



Bill Boswell






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RE: [LegacyUG] Fixed Fonts, Destroyed Columns?

2014-03-05 Thread William Boswell
I just worry about doing reports and having too many pages compared to 
condensing the information.  I'm always looking for improvements because I'm 
not 100% satisfied with my way of doing it.  I wish there was a nice template 
for entering all the information and let the program format it the way it 
should be.  I know there's SourceWriter, but many of the fields are useless and 
when trying to find a citation the items I want to see are not first in that 
Detail column in Legacy under Sources.



I thought about going back to just copying and pasting for each family member 
and only list their information.  The problem I had with that years ago was 
when I wanted to see who was the child of somebody, I had to refer back to the 
image.  For the past three months I have been downloading a lot of census 
records and transcribing every day.  I can't imagine doing it the way you have 
it below even though I really like your way of doing it.  It's a lot cleaner 
than my way and does have more information.  If I just copy what Ancestry has, 
I'd have to compare what they have against the image because they have sloppy 
transcribers.



For the Source Citation (Year: 1930; Census Place: Washington...), I use from 
the year to the page number as a file name along with the Head of Household's 
name for the images which is why I have it formatted that way.  It is much 
easier to find images and see if I have any duplicates.  I've noticed that when 
copying that citation information, Ancestry is not always consistent with 
what's on that line.  The ED might be at the beginning or the end.  The ED and 
sheet/page numbers are more important than the other information at least when 
I'm searching for other relatives that might live nearby.





From: Bob Austen [mailto:rgaus...@telus.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 10:30 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Fixed Fonts, Destroyed Columns?



Hi Bill,



Jumping in here...



I have never been sorry for having too much information…



Like you, I am interested in how others do their census extracts, and we each 
find our own method.  There is no ’right’ way – it’s what works for you.



This is my transcription for Edward L Tolson:



1930 United States Federal Census - District of Columbia - Washington - 
Washington - District 356 – pg 15 of 71

Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Washington, Washington, District of 
Columbia; Roll: 303; Page: 9B; Enumeration District: 0356; Image: 94.0; FHL 
microfilm: 2340038.

Name: Edward L Tolson

Gender: Male

Birth Year:  abt 1887

Birthplace:  District of Columbia

Race:  White

Home in 1930:Washington, Washington, District of Columbia

Map of Home:View Map

Marital Status:Married

Relation to Head of House: Head

Spouse's Name: Ada M Tolson

Father's Birthplace:   Maryland

Mother's Birthplace:  Maryland

Neighbors: View others on page

Household Members:

Edward L Tolson  Washington, Washington, District of Columbia
abt 1887  District of Columbia   Head   Draftsman, Patton 
Company

Ada M TolsonWashington, Washington, District of Columbia
abt 1889  District of Columbia   Wife

Edward L Tolson   Washington, Washington, District of Columbia
abt 1911  District of Columbia   Son

Dorothy E Tolson Washington, Washington, District of Columbia   
 abt 1914  District of Columbia   Daughter

Leo B MiddletonWashington, Washington, District of Columbia
abt 1879  District of Columbia   LodgerPatent Attorney

Name  Age

Edward L Tolson   43

Ada M Tolson41

Edward L Tolson   19

Dorothy E Tolson 16

Leo B Middleton51



I save the image using the first line as the name, create a census Event, 
attach the image to the Event, and copy the transcription in the Event Notes.



My ‘clutter’ comes from copying the transcription to the Research Notes as well 
(as I do for each census obtained).  Then I can easily look at the information 
should a question as to the validity of my research.



Bob A










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Re: [LegacyUG] Fixed Fonts, Destroyed Columns?

2014-03-05 Thread Jay 1FamilyTree
Like Bill mentioned I am always looking to improve or condense my
additional data like pasted info from a census or obit.

I recently used the help of LTools and some sql code to remove over 78,000
BLANK lines from my Obituary events..

Tho' none of us are actually PRINTING much these days, I may have actually
saved a tree or two...

And my report look much nicer without all the blank lines



Jay



On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net wrote:

 Hi Bill,

 I keep my research notes under 'Research Notes' and in (all?) the reports
 options you can elect not to include these notes.  Or put [[brackets]]
 around the material you don't want to include.



 Ancestry does change the 'header' line.  Sometimes the page numbers change
 as they update/correct information.  Still, it is the description in my
 file.  Others might use something like Tolson - 1930 US Census, or the
 method of your choosing.  My image file is getting so big that I many times
 don't store the image - something I will probably regret later.  Another
 case of not having too much information.



 My transcription is a copy and paste direct to Legacy of the Ancestry
 info, along with a little editing - such as deleting common, unused, lines
 and (sometimes) adding the individual occupation at the end.  Most of my
 research is in England where I find it easier to have a 'common'
 translation.  The US census may have a lot of personal information for each
 individual so generalization becomes a problem.  I may get lazy and just do
 the head of the household and copy it to the rest of the family.  In the
 Tolson census example, below, I have copied in the family members and
 placed it under Household Members.  This has made it a bit more general.



 I'm sure, if we could peek over the shoulder of our fellow LUGers, we
 would see a different method for most out there.  I like to hear what
 others are doing and maybe I can find other ways of doing things.



 Regards,



 Bob A







 *From:* William Boswell [mailto:whbosw...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, March 05, 2014 8:00 AM
 *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Fixed Fonts, Destroyed Columns?



 I just worry about doing reports and having too many pages compared to
 condensing the information.  I'm always looking for improvements because
 I'm not 100% satisfied with my way of doing it.  I wish there was a nice
 template for entering all the information and let the program format it the
 way it should be.  I know there's SourceWriter, but many of the fields are
 useless and when trying to find a citation the items I want to see are not
 first in that Detail column in Legacy under Sources.



 I thought about going back to just copying and pasting for each family
 member and only list their information.  The problem I had with that years
 ago was when I wanted to see who was the child of somebody, I had to refer
 back to the image.  For the past three months I have been downloading a lot
 of census records and transcribing every day.  I can't imagine doing it the
 way you have it below even though I really like your way of doing it.  It's
 a lot cleaner than my way and does have more information.  If I just copy
 what Ancestry has, I'd have to compare what they have against the image
 because they have sloppy transcribers.



 For the Source Citation (Year: 1930; Census Place: Washington...), I use
 from the year to the page number as a file name along with the Head of
 Household's name for the images which is why I have it formatted that way.
 It is much easier to find images and see if I have any duplicates.  I've
 noticed that when copying that citation information, Ancestry is not always
 consistent with what's on that line.  The ED might be at the beginning or
 the end.  The ED and sheet/page numbers are more important than the other
 information at least when I'm searching for other relatives that might live
 nearby.





 *From:* Bob Austen [mailto:rgaus...@telus.net rgaus...@telus.net]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, March 05, 2014 10:30 AM
 *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Fixed Fonts, Destroyed Columns?



 Hi Bill,



 Jumping in here...



 I have never been sorry for having too much information...



 Like you, I am interested in how others do their census extracts, and we
 each find our own method.  There is no 'right' way - it's what works for
 you.



 This is my transcription for Edward L Tolson:



 *1930 *United States Federal Census - District of Columbia - Washington -
 Washington - District 356 - pg 15 of 71

 Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Washington, Washington,
 District of Columbia; Roll: 303; Page: 9B; Enumeration District: 0356;
 Image: 94.0; FHL microfilm: 2340038.

 Name: *Edward L Tolson*

 Gender: Male

 Birth Year:  abt 1887

 Birthplace:  District of Columbia

 Race:  White

 Home in 1930:Washington, Washington, District of Columbia

[LegacyUG] Fixed Fonts, Destroyed Columns?

2014-03-04 Thread J.M. Jay Ingalls
Mike,

Thanks for: Consolas is a nice, clean, mono-spaced font.

I think Courier is also a fixed font. It would be nice if Legacy
identified all the fixed fonts. And I would prefer Legacy using only
fixed fontsG.

When I copy and paste census info from Ancestry.com, Legacy includes a
lot of hidden format info. That makes a mess after the data is pasted in
and saved and then re-opened. It would be nice if Legacy worked like
Notepad and removed all or most of the formatting when pasting the info
into Legacy.

Jay
===
On 3/3/2014 12:26 PM, MikeFry wrote:
 On 03 Mar 2014 19:43, J.M. Jay Ingalls wrote:
 While people are discussing fonts, which fonts in Legacy are fixed,
 that is will show up on the screen and in printed reports, before and
 after saving notes and events, with the same spacing? I do my best to
 put census data, including names and age,  in columns and the columns
 are destroyed after saving and re-opening events and notes.
 Anything with serifs in the name or visible is a proportional font.

 Consolas is a nice, clean, mono-spaced font.





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Re: [LegacyUG] Fixed Fonts, Destroyed Columns?

2014-03-04 Thread JV Leavitt
Jay,

I think I do the same thing you do with the census summaries, but I get
them mostly from FamilySearch. You're right that if you copy and paste
from Ancestry, you are obliged to close the Notes window, and open it
again, so that the Legacy default font formatting comes into use.

In FamilySearch census summary windows, there is a Copy button, which
if you use, and then paste into the Notes window in Legacy, you get
close to what you probably want, and the font size comes out okay, I
suppose because I've set my minimum screen font size to 10, and also
to10 in the Legacy Notes window.

I had some trouble with my Notes formatting being lost until I figured
out that the Notes Zoom button was allowing me to set a Text Font Size.
It appears to always remember it, and I don't lose the formatting now.
Even if I change the Notepad window size, it does not affect the
formatting -- it will re-word-wrap the lines if necessary.

I don't suppose that this wouldn't change if used in other ways, such as
in this email message.

If you copy your Notes into WordPad (which I do from time to time, while
I am making use of the information), with it set to Arial and font size
10, the formatting will be the same as it is in your Legacy notes.

Here is an example copied from one of my Legacy Notes windows (I add
little notes of my own):

*1870 Census -- Turner, Androscoggin, Maine, United States*
Household   GenderAge  Birthplace
Lark D Merrill  M47 Maine
A Melvina Merrill  F 42 Maine = Amanda Melvina
Lothrop
Willard LothropM40 Maine = Amanda's brother,
an invalid

NOTE:  Next door is family of George T. Merril  Lorette 
Georgianna A., and next to them is the family of Alvah and Hannah C.
Merrill with child Nathan -- also including what looks like maybe
the Merrill father, Luther Merrill, age 82.

Citing this Record:
United States Census, 1870, index and images, FamilySearch
(https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M6DZ-RQT : accessed 25 Feb
2014), Lark D Merrill, Maine, United States; citing p. , family 259,
NARA microfilm publication M593, FHL microfilm 000552036.

I don't know how this will look in your email program, but it looks
fairly good before sending it. :-)

Joseph Leavitt



On 3/4/2014 1:25 PM, J.M. Jay Ingalls wrote:
 Mike,

 Thanks for: Consolas is a nice, clean, mono-spaced font.

 I think Courier is also a fixed font. It would be nice if Legacy
 identified all the fixed fonts. And I would prefer Legacy using only
 fixed fontsG.

 When I copy and paste census info from Ancestry.com, Legacy includes a
 lot of hidden format info. That makes a mess after the data is pasted in
 and saved and then re-opened. It would be nice if Legacy worked like
 Notepad and removed all or most of the formatting when pasting the info
 into Legacy.

 Jay
 ===
 On 3/3/2014 12:26 PM, MikeFry wrote:
 On 03 Mar 2014 19:43, J.M. Jay Ingalls wrote:
 While people are discussing fonts, which fonts in Legacy are fixed,
 that is will show up on the screen and in printed reports, before and
 after saving notes and events, with the same spacing? I do my best to
 put census data, including names and age,  in columns and the columns
 are destroyed after saving and re-opening events and notes.
 Anything with serifs in the name or visible is a proportional font.

 Consolas is a nice, clean, mono-spaced font.







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RE: [LegacyUG] Fixed Fonts, Destroyed Columns?

2014-03-04 Thread Bob Austen
   View Record 



Ann M Cox William,

Mary A 1852 Ash, Kent, England Daughter Ash, Kent   View Record



Mary J Cox William,

Mary A 1858 Ash, Kent, England Daughter Ash, Kent   View Record



Harriet Cox William,

Mary A 1859 Ash, Kent, England Daughter Ash, Kent   View Record



Of course you can copy everything to Word, clean it up manually, or set up a 
Macro to do it for you, then paste it back to Legacy.



In the Legacy Notes window you can ‘zoom’ by holding down the Ctrl key and use 
the scroll wheel on the mouse to change the font size.  This will not make any 
change to the settings and will revert to the previous settings after closing.



 

Hope this addresses your issue and makes things easier for you.



Bob A











-Original Message-

From: J.M. Jay Ingalls [mailto:jay_inga...@pipeline.com]

Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:25 PM

To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: [LegacyUG] Fixed Fonts, Destroyed Columns?



Mike,



Thanks for: Consolas is a nice, clean, mono-spaced font.



I think Courier is also a fixed font. It would be nice if Legacy identified all 
the fixed fonts. And I would prefer Legacy using only fixed fontsG.



When I copy and paste census info from Ancestry.com, Legacy includes a lot of 
hidden format info. That makes a mess after the data is pasted in and saved and 
then re-opened. It would be nice if Legacy worked like Notepad and removed all 
or most of the formatting when pasting the info into Legacy.



Jay

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[LegacyUG] Fixed Fonts, Destroyed Columns?

2014-03-03 Thread J.M. Jay Ingalls
While people are discussing fonts, which fonts in Legacy are fixed,
that is will show up on the screen and in printed reports, before and
after saving notes and events, with the same spacing? I do my best to
put census data, including names and age,  in columns and the columns
are destroyed after saving and re-opening events and notes.

Jay Ingalls

On 2/28/2014 1:11 AM, MikeFry wrote:
 On 28 Feb 2014 00:31, Don Hanson wrote:

 Sherry was right that not all fonts are created equal. Simply put, some fonts
 have descenders that are longer than 'normal' so that they touch or nearly
 touch letters in the next line. It is easiest to accept that not all fonts
 will work for a particular purpose. Those of us who design for a living have
 some 'tricks' that can sometimes beat a font into submission, but rarely is a
 particular font the only one that can be used, so spending time trying
 different methods is just not worth the time and effort.
 I've noticed that the alignment of text within its' control has an effect on
 some fonts. Text that is aligned towards the bottom of, say, a text box, can
 exhibit this behaviour.





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Re: [LegacyUG] Fixed Fonts, Destroyed Columns?

2014-03-03 Thread MikeFry
On 03 Mar 2014 19:43, J.M. Jay Ingalls wrote:

 While people are discussing fonts, which fonts in Legacy are fixed,
 that is will show up on the screen and in printed reports, before and
 after saving notes and events, with the same spacing? I do my best to
 put census data, including names and age,  in columns and the columns
 are destroyed after saving and re-opening events and notes.

Anything with serifs in the name or visible is a proportional font.

Consolas is a nice, clean, mono-spaced font.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
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