RE: [LegacyUG] Fixed Fonts, Destroyed Columns?
I copy from Ancestry and FamilySearch then paste into Windows Notepad which eliminates any extra code. I also save the Notepad file. I've never had a font problem. The only thing I might have to do is get rid of returns at the end of some lines or have Legacy reformat it for me. I always wondered how other people do their census extracts. I always use the image file and transcribe my own because Ancestry transcriptions are so full of errors. I create a line for each family member listed in the census with pertinent information as listed in the census. I never use the FS citations because it doesn't have the person's name come first and it's hard to see the important details in the Legacy detail column at the far right. I put the citation information in the detail text instead and as little as possible in the citation. Here's an example of my census extraction. If anyone needs more information, they can go to the image which is attached to it. Tolson, Edward L, Head, Male, White, 43, Married, Age Married: 22, Can Read/Write, Born: District of Columbia; Father: Maryland; Mother: Maryland; Draftsman Tolson, Ada M, Wife, Female, White, 41, Married, Age Married: 19, Can Read/Write, Born: District of Columbia; Father: District of Columbia; Mother: Virginia [1930 DC T626_303 Pg 9-B, ED 0356, Washington, District of Columbia, Image 94.0, FHL microfilm 2340038; April 7, 1930; 2918 Tenth Street NE] I used to copy the Ancestry transcriptions, but it seemed an awful waste of space and clutter. Bill Boswell -Original Message- From: JV Leavitt [mailto:jleavi...@att.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 8:06 PM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fixed Fonts, Destroyed Columns? Jay, I think I do the same thing you do with the census summaries, but I get them mostly from FamilySearch. You're right that if you copy and paste from Ancestry, you are obliged to close the Notes window, and open it again, so that the Legacy default font formatting comes into use. In FamilySearch census summary windows, there is a Copy button, which if you use, and then paste into the Notes window in Legacy, you get close to what you probably want, and the font size comes out okay, I suppose because I've set my minimum screen font size to 10, and also to10 in the Legacy Notes window. I had some trouble with my Notes formatting being lost until I figured out that the Notes Zoom button was allowing me to set a Text Font Size. It appears to always remember it, and I don't lose the formatting now. Even if I change the Notepad window size, it does not affect the formatting -- it will re-word-wrap the lines if necessary. I don't suppose that this wouldn't change if used in other ways, such as in this email message. If you copy your Notes into WordPad (which I do from time to time, while I am making use of the information), with it set to Arial and font size 10, the formatting will be the same as it is in your Legacy notes. Here is an example copied from one of my Legacy Notes windows (I add little notes of my own): *1870 Census -- Turner, Androscoggin, Maine, United States* Household GenderAge Birthplace Lark D Merrill M47 Maine A Melvina Merrill F 42 Maine = Amanda Melvina Lothrop Willard LothropM40 Maine = Amanda's brother, an invalid NOTE: Next door is family of George T. Merril Lorette Georgianna A., and next to them is the family of Alvah and Hannah C. Merrill with child Nathan -- also including what looks like maybe the Merrill father, Luther Merrill, age 82. Citing this Record: United States Census, 1870, index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M6DZ-RQT : accessed 25 Feb 2014), Lark D Merrill, Maine, United States; citing p. , family 259, NARA microfilm publication M593, FHL microfilm 000552036. I don't know how this will look in your email program, but it looks fairly good before sending it. :-) Joseph Leavitt Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Fixed Fonts, Destroyed Columns?
Hi Bill, Jumping in here... I have never been sorry for having too much information… Like you, I am interested in how others do their census extracts, and we each find our own method. There is no ’right’ way – it’s what works for you. This is my transcription for Edward L Tolson: 1930 United States Federal Census - District of Columbia - Washington - Washington - District 356 – pg 15 of 71 Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Washington, Washington, District of Columbia; Roll: 303; Page: 9B; Enumeration District: 0356; Image: 94.0; FHL microfilm: 2340038. Name: Edward L Tolson Gender: Male Birth Year: abt 1887 Birthplace: District of Columbia Race: White Home in 1930:Washington, Washington, District of Columbia Map of Home:View Map Marital Status:Married Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's Name: Ada M Tolson Father's Birthplace: Maryland Mother's Birthplace: Maryland Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Edward L Tolson Washington, Washington, District of Columbia abt 1887 District of Columbia Head Draftsman, Patton Company Ada M TolsonWashington, Washington, District of Columbia abt 1889 District of Columbia Wife Edward L Tolson Washington, Washington, District of Columbia abt 1911 District of Columbia Son Dorothy E Tolson Washington, Washington, District of Columbia abt 1914 District of Columbia Daughter Leo B MiddletonWashington, Washington, District of Columbia abt 1879 District of Columbia LodgerPatent Attorney Name Age Edward L Tolson 43 Ada M Tolson41 Edward L Tolson 19 Dorothy E Tolson 16 Leo B Middleton51 I save the image using the first line as the name, create a census Event, attach the image to the Event, and copy the transcription in the Event Notes. My ‘clutter’ comes from copying the transcription to the Research Notes as well (as I do for each census obtained). Then I can easily look at the information should a question as to the validity of my research. Bob A -Original Message- From: William Boswell [mailto:whbosw...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 6:44 AM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Fixed Fonts, Destroyed Columns? I copy from Ancestry and FamilySearch then paste into Windows Notepad which eliminates any extra code. I also save the Notepad file. I've never had a font problem. The only thing I might have to do is get rid of returns at the end of some lines or have Legacy reformat it for me. I always wondered how other people do their census extracts. I always use the image file and transcribe my own because Ancestry transcriptions are so full of errors. I create a line for each family member listed in the census with pertinent information as listed in the census. I never use the FS citations because it doesn't have the person's name come first and it's hard to see the important details in the Legacy detail column at the far right. I put the citation information in the detail text instead and as little as possible in the citation. Here's an example of my census extraction. If anyone needs more information, they can go to the image which is attached to it. Tolson, Edward L, Head, Male, White, 43, Married, Age Married: 22, Can Read/Write, Born: District of Columbia; Father: Maryland; Mother: Maryland; Draftsman Tolson, Ada M, Wife, Female, White, 41, Married, Age Married: 19, Can Read/Write, Born: District of Columbia; Father: District of Columbia; Mother: Virginia [1930 DC T626_303 Pg 9-B, ED 0356, Washington, District of Columbia, Image 94.0, FHL microfilm 2340038; April 7, 1930; 2918 Tenth Street NE] I used to copy the Ancestry transcriptions, but it seemed an awful waste of space and clutter. Bill Boswell Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Fixed Fonts, Destroyed Columns?
I just worry about doing reports and having too many pages compared to condensing the information. I'm always looking for improvements because I'm not 100% satisfied with my way of doing it. I wish there was a nice template for entering all the information and let the program format it the way it should be. I know there's SourceWriter, but many of the fields are useless and when trying to find a citation the items I want to see are not first in that Detail column in Legacy under Sources. I thought about going back to just copying and pasting for each family member and only list their information. The problem I had with that years ago was when I wanted to see who was the child of somebody, I had to refer back to the image. For the past three months I have been downloading a lot of census records and transcribing every day. I can't imagine doing it the way you have it below even though I really like your way of doing it. It's a lot cleaner than my way and does have more information. If I just copy what Ancestry has, I'd have to compare what they have against the image because they have sloppy transcribers. For the Source Citation (Year: 1930; Census Place: Washington...), I use from the year to the page number as a file name along with the Head of Household's name for the images which is why I have it formatted that way. It is much easier to find images and see if I have any duplicates. I've noticed that when copying that citation information, Ancestry is not always consistent with what's on that line. The ED might be at the beginning or the end. The ED and sheet/page numbers are more important than the other information at least when I'm searching for other relatives that might live nearby. From: Bob Austen [mailto:rgaus...@telus.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 10:30 AM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Fixed Fonts, Destroyed Columns? Hi Bill, Jumping in here... I have never been sorry for having too much information… Like you, I am interested in how others do their census extracts, and we each find our own method. There is no ’right’ way – it’s what works for you. This is my transcription for Edward L Tolson: 1930 United States Federal Census - District of Columbia - Washington - Washington - District 356 – pg 15 of 71 Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Washington, Washington, District of Columbia; Roll: 303; Page: 9B; Enumeration District: 0356; Image: 94.0; FHL microfilm: 2340038. Name: Edward L Tolson Gender: Male Birth Year: abt 1887 Birthplace: District of Columbia Race: White Home in 1930:Washington, Washington, District of Columbia Map of Home:View Map Marital Status:Married Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's Name: Ada M Tolson Father's Birthplace: Maryland Mother's Birthplace: Maryland Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Edward L Tolson Washington, Washington, District of Columbia abt 1887 District of Columbia Head Draftsman, Patton Company Ada M TolsonWashington, Washington, District of Columbia abt 1889 District of Columbia Wife Edward L Tolson Washington, Washington, District of Columbia abt 1911 District of Columbia Son Dorothy E Tolson Washington, Washington, District of Columbia abt 1914 District of Columbia Daughter Leo B MiddletonWashington, Washington, District of Columbia abt 1879 District of Columbia LodgerPatent Attorney Name Age Edward L Tolson 43 Ada M Tolson41 Edward L Tolson 19 Dorothy E Tolson 16 Leo B Middleton51 I save the image using the first line as the name, create a census Event, attach the image to the Event, and copy the transcription in the Event Notes. My ‘clutter’ comes from copying the transcription to the Research Notes as well (as I do for each census obtained). Then I can easily look at the information should a question as to the validity of my research. Bob A Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Fixed Fonts, Destroyed Columns?
Like Bill mentioned I am always looking to improve or condense my additional data like pasted info from a census or obit. I recently used the help of LTools and some sql code to remove over 78,000 BLANK lines from my Obituary events.. Tho' none of us are actually PRINTING much these days, I may have actually saved a tree or two... And my report look much nicer without all the blank lines Jay On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net wrote: Hi Bill, I keep my research notes under 'Research Notes' and in (all?) the reports options you can elect not to include these notes. Or put [[brackets]] around the material you don't want to include. Ancestry does change the 'header' line. Sometimes the page numbers change as they update/correct information. Still, it is the description in my file. Others might use something like Tolson - 1930 US Census, or the method of your choosing. My image file is getting so big that I many times don't store the image - something I will probably regret later. Another case of not having too much information. My transcription is a copy and paste direct to Legacy of the Ancestry info, along with a little editing - such as deleting common, unused, lines and (sometimes) adding the individual occupation at the end. Most of my research is in England where I find it easier to have a 'common' translation. The US census may have a lot of personal information for each individual so generalization becomes a problem. I may get lazy and just do the head of the household and copy it to the rest of the family. In the Tolson census example, below, I have copied in the family members and placed it under Household Members. This has made it a bit more general. I'm sure, if we could peek over the shoulder of our fellow LUGers, we would see a different method for most out there. I like to hear what others are doing and maybe I can find other ways of doing things. Regards, Bob A *From:* William Boswell [mailto:whbosw...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, March 05, 2014 8:00 AM *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Fixed Fonts, Destroyed Columns? I just worry about doing reports and having too many pages compared to condensing the information. I'm always looking for improvements because I'm not 100% satisfied with my way of doing it. I wish there was a nice template for entering all the information and let the program format it the way it should be. I know there's SourceWriter, but many of the fields are useless and when trying to find a citation the items I want to see are not first in that Detail column in Legacy under Sources. I thought about going back to just copying and pasting for each family member and only list their information. The problem I had with that years ago was when I wanted to see who was the child of somebody, I had to refer back to the image. For the past three months I have been downloading a lot of census records and transcribing every day. I can't imagine doing it the way you have it below even though I really like your way of doing it. It's a lot cleaner than my way and does have more information. If I just copy what Ancestry has, I'd have to compare what they have against the image because they have sloppy transcribers. For the Source Citation (Year: 1930; Census Place: Washington...), I use from the year to the page number as a file name along with the Head of Household's name for the images which is why I have it formatted that way. It is much easier to find images and see if I have any duplicates. I've noticed that when copying that citation information, Ancestry is not always consistent with what's on that line. The ED might be at the beginning or the end. The ED and sheet/page numbers are more important than the other information at least when I'm searching for other relatives that might live nearby. *From:* Bob Austen [mailto:rgaus...@telus.net rgaus...@telus.net] *Sent:* Wednesday, March 05, 2014 10:30 AM *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Fixed Fonts, Destroyed Columns? Hi Bill, Jumping in here... I have never been sorry for having too much information... Like you, I am interested in how others do their census extracts, and we each find our own method. There is no 'right' way - it's what works for you. This is my transcription for Edward L Tolson: *1930 *United States Federal Census - District of Columbia - Washington - Washington - District 356 - pg 15 of 71 Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Washington, Washington, District of Columbia; Roll: 303; Page: 9B; Enumeration District: 0356; Image: 94.0; FHL microfilm: 2340038. Name: *Edward L Tolson* Gender: Male Birth Year: abt 1887 Birthplace: District of Columbia Race: White Home in 1930:Washington, Washington, District of Columbia
[LegacyUG] Fixed Fonts, Destroyed Columns?
Mike, Thanks for: Consolas is a nice, clean, mono-spaced font. I think Courier is also a fixed font. It would be nice if Legacy identified all the fixed fonts. And I would prefer Legacy using only fixed fontsG. When I copy and paste census info from Ancestry.com, Legacy includes a lot of hidden format info. That makes a mess after the data is pasted in and saved and then re-opened. It would be nice if Legacy worked like Notepad and removed all or most of the formatting when pasting the info into Legacy. Jay === On 3/3/2014 12:26 PM, MikeFry wrote: On 03 Mar 2014 19:43, J.M. Jay Ingalls wrote: While people are discussing fonts, which fonts in Legacy are fixed, that is will show up on the screen and in printed reports, before and after saving notes and events, with the same spacing? I do my best to put census data, including names and age, in columns and the columns are destroyed after saving and re-opening events and notes. Anything with serifs in the name or visible is a proportional font. Consolas is a nice, clean, mono-spaced font. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Fixed Fonts, Destroyed Columns?
Jay, I think I do the same thing you do with the census summaries, but I get them mostly from FamilySearch. You're right that if you copy and paste from Ancestry, you are obliged to close the Notes window, and open it again, so that the Legacy default font formatting comes into use. In FamilySearch census summary windows, there is a Copy button, which if you use, and then paste into the Notes window in Legacy, you get close to what you probably want, and the font size comes out okay, I suppose because I've set my minimum screen font size to 10, and also to10 in the Legacy Notes window. I had some trouble with my Notes formatting being lost until I figured out that the Notes Zoom button was allowing me to set a Text Font Size. It appears to always remember it, and I don't lose the formatting now. Even if I change the Notepad window size, it does not affect the formatting -- it will re-word-wrap the lines if necessary. I don't suppose that this wouldn't change if used in other ways, such as in this email message. If you copy your Notes into WordPad (which I do from time to time, while I am making use of the information), with it set to Arial and font size 10, the formatting will be the same as it is in your Legacy notes. Here is an example copied from one of my Legacy Notes windows (I add little notes of my own): *1870 Census -- Turner, Androscoggin, Maine, United States* Household GenderAge Birthplace Lark D Merrill M47 Maine A Melvina Merrill F 42 Maine = Amanda Melvina Lothrop Willard LothropM40 Maine = Amanda's brother, an invalid NOTE: Next door is family of George T. Merril Lorette Georgianna A., and next to them is the family of Alvah and Hannah C. Merrill with child Nathan -- also including what looks like maybe the Merrill father, Luther Merrill, age 82. Citing this Record: United States Census, 1870, index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M6DZ-RQT : accessed 25 Feb 2014), Lark D Merrill, Maine, United States; citing p. , family 259, NARA microfilm publication M593, FHL microfilm 000552036. I don't know how this will look in your email program, but it looks fairly good before sending it. :-) Joseph Leavitt On 3/4/2014 1:25 PM, J.M. Jay Ingalls wrote: Mike, Thanks for: Consolas is a nice, clean, mono-spaced font. I think Courier is also a fixed font. It would be nice if Legacy identified all the fixed fonts. And I would prefer Legacy using only fixed fontsG. When I copy and paste census info from Ancestry.com, Legacy includes a lot of hidden format info. That makes a mess after the data is pasted in and saved and then re-opened. It would be nice if Legacy worked like Notepad and removed all or most of the formatting when pasting the info into Legacy. Jay === On 3/3/2014 12:26 PM, MikeFry wrote: On 03 Mar 2014 19:43, J.M. Jay Ingalls wrote: While people are discussing fonts, which fonts in Legacy are fixed, that is will show up on the screen and in printed reports, before and after saving notes and events, with the same spacing? I do my best to put census data, including names and age, in columns and the columns are destroyed after saving and re-opening events and notes. Anything with serifs in the name or visible is a proportional font. Consolas is a nice, clean, mono-spaced font. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Fixed Fonts, Destroyed Columns?
View Record Ann M Cox William, Mary A 1852 Ash, Kent, England Daughter Ash, Kent View Record Mary J Cox William, Mary A 1858 Ash, Kent, England Daughter Ash, Kent View Record Harriet Cox William, Mary A 1859 Ash, Kent, England Daughter Ash, Kent View Record Of course you can copy everything to Word, clean it up manually, or set up a Macro to do it for you, then paste it back to Legacy. In the Legacy Notes window you can ‘zoom’ by holding down the Ctrl key and use the scroll wheel on the mouse to change the font size. This will not make any change to the settings and will revert to the previous settings after closing. Hope this addresses your issue and makes things easier for you. Bob A -Original Message- From: J.M. Jay Ingalls [mailto:jay_inga...@pipeline.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:25 PM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Fixed Fonts, Destroyed Columns? Mike, Thanks for: Consolas is a nice, clean, mono-spaced font. I think Courier is also a fixed font. It would be nice if Legacy identified all the fixed fonts. And I would prefer Legacy using only fixed fontsG. When I copy and paste census info from Ancestry.com, Legacy includes a lot of hidden format info. That makes a mess after the data is pasted in and saved and then re-opened. It would be nice if Legacy worked like Notepad and removed all or most of the formatting when pasting the info into Legacy. Jay === Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Fixed Fonts, Destroyed Columns?
While people are discussing fonts, which fonts in Legacy are fixed, that is will show up on the screen and in printed reports, before and after saving notes and events, with the same spacing? I do my best to put census data, including names and age, in columns and the columns are destroyed after saving and re-opening events and notes. Jay Ingalls On 2/28/2014 1:11 AM, MikeFry wrote: On 28 Feb 2014 00:31, Don Hanson wrote: Sherry was right that not all fonts are created equal. Simply put, some fonts have descenders that are longer than 'normal' so that they touch or nearly touch letters in the next line. It is easiest to accept that not all fonts will work for a particular purpose. Those of us who design for a living have some 'tricks' that can sometimes beat a font into submission, but rarely is a particular font the only one that can be used, so spending time trying different methods is just not worth the time and effort. I've noticed that the alignment of text within its' control has an effect on some fonts. Text that is aligned towards the bottom of, say, a text box, can exhibit this behaviour. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Fixed Fonts, Destroyed Columns?
On 03 Mar 2014 19:43, J.M. Jay Ingalls wrote: While people are discussing fonts, which fonts in Legacy are fixed, that is will show up on the screen and in printed reports, before and after saving notes and events, with the same spacing? I do my best to put census data, including names and age, in columns and the columns are destroyed after saving and re-opening events and notes. Anything with serifs in the name or visible is a proportional font. Consolas is a nice, clean, mono-spaced font. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp