Re: [LegacyUG] Numbering System usage/survey
Legacy's internal record numbers are purely random. As a person is entered a Record Identification Number (RIN) is assigned to the person. These are assigned sequentially. It is the same with the marriages, a Marriage Record ID Number (MRIN) is assigned to each couple when they are linked. The internal connections into families are made by references to MRINs and RINs and what role they play. The MRIN record contains the RINs for the husband and wife. Children are linked to that family using their RINs and the MRIN(s) of the family(ies) to which they belong since kids may have more than one set of parents via adoption etc. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 10/03/2016 12:07, Hannigan Family Research wrote: Prior to last night, I knew very little about the various types of 'numbering systems' (http://eogen.editme.com/NumberingSystems) that genealogy researchers use. To say that this is a little confusing is an understatement. There are many different options with many different purposes. Why are there so many systems and why are they so different? It appears that there is some popular usage tied to the 'Dollarhide System' or a modification of that system. The link above is to Dick Eastman's website and the page is the base page if you want to research further the various systems. There are links on the page that provide a description (and some examples) of they system. For most genealogy researchers, this is probably a mute point - meaning they don't really think about it, they just allow their computer program to establish the pattern. I think that Legacy 8 uses the 'Record Number' system of the database being used and links records together in an 'inter-relational' pattern. I know you have the option to display or not display the RIN/RMIN when viewing listings/reports. First, does Legacy 8 have the option to use a different system than the 'Record Number' pattern, like the Dollarhide system, the Register system, the NGSQ system or the Ahnentafel system within a particular tree? If so, where do you set it? If not, should it? Second, how do other Legacy genealogy researchers use the 'numbering systems' available to them? I want to take an informal survey to see if there is much consideration given the numbering system for genealogical research. A.I don't know anything about numbering systems and let the computer program assign the numbers B.I set an event for the numbering system C.I use another method/program to monitor the relationship numbering system for my research I hope this does not confuse people, because from what I read last night, it is very important (and informative) when you publish material in professional journals and books. Thank you for your patience. John Hannigan Florida -- ___ LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com
Re: [LegacyUG] Numbering System usage/survey
I might add a slight footnote regarding ancestral reports in the narrative format. If you go to the library and walk up and down the genealogy bookshelves, one will find many, many books that are entitled something like "The ancestors of." These books are almost universally presented in a fashion where there are chapters for each ancestral line, beginning with the top-of-line ancestor for that line and ending with the first female descendant of that line who was an ancestor of the root person. The reader is then referred to her husband's chapter. The husband's chapter will follow from his top-of-line ancestor down through sons until a woman is met who married an ancestor of the root person. Thus, if such a book has 50 chapters, you know the compiler has traced 50 different ancestral lines where there is one completely paternal line and all the rest are chapters ending with a woman who married a man in one of the other 50 chapters. This is very simple and also easy to follow, because you can follow one line from the Mayflower down to a woman descendant who married an ancestor of the root person in the 1900s all in one chapter. You can't do that in ahentafel report - you have to "jump" from one number to another. Somebody on the internet has actually devised a numbering system that follows this form of presentation. It is much more meaningful, in the narrative form at least, but probably also in a chart form, than a narrative report arranging all ancestors in ahnentafel numer order. I think it is quite disappointing that virtually all computer genealogy software that I am aware has defaulted to the ahnentfal narrative reports and do not print ancestral reports in the way that they have been presented in printed books for over a hundred years. This is no slam against Legacy - no other software that I am aware of does this either. Norris Taylor On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Michele/Support < mich...@legacyfamilytree.com> wrote: > This is a pretty big topic but I will nutshell it best I can. > > RINs and MRINs are assigned by the program. These numbers are necessary > for database type programs and you can either use them to your advantage or > you can ignore them, your choice. Some people like to use the RINs or > MRINs as part of their paper or electronic filing system. I don’t. > > Ahnentafel numbers are the standard numbering system for Pedigree Charts. > > The Register System and the Modified Register System (NGSQ) is what you > will see on Descendant Book Reports. Why? Because these are specific > formats used in The Register (the journal put out by the New England > Historic Genealogical Society) and the NGSQ (the journal put out by the > National Genealogical Society). These are accepted standards for this > style of report and if you want to submit a genealogy to a society for > publication one of these formats is what the society will probably ask for. > > The Dollarhide system, the Henry system, the d’Aboville system, the de > Villiers system and others are expansions of the Ahnentafel system so that > more family members are included. The Ahnentafel system only accounts for > the direct line ancestors, no siblings. I personally would never use any > of these because they make sense to very few people. > > I use Ahnentafel numbers for Pedigree Charts and I use the NGSQ for > Descendant Book Reports and that’s it ☺ > > > > Michele > Technical Support > Millennia Corporation > mich...@legacyfamilytree.com > www.legacyfamilytree.com > > From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On > Behalf Of Hannigan Family Research > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:07 PM > To: Mailing List for users of Legacy Family Tree software > <legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com> > Subject: [LegacyUG] Numbering System usage/survey > > Prior to last night, I knew very little about the various types of > 'numbering systems' (http://eogen.editme.com/NumberingSystems) that > genealogy researchers use. To say that this is a little confusing is an > understatement. There are many different options with many different > purposes. Why are there so many systems and why are they so different? It > appears that there is some popular usage tied to the 'Dollarhide System' or > a modification of that system. The link above is to Dick Eastman's website > and the page is the base page if you want to research further the various > systems. There are links on the page that provide a description (and some > examples) of they system. > For most genealogy researchers, this is probably a mute point - meaning > they don't really think about it, they just allow their computer program to > establish the pattern. I think that Legacy 8 uses the 'Record Number' > system of the database being used and
Re: [LegacyUG] Numbering System usage/survey
On 10 Mar 2016 at 12:07, Hannigan Family Research wrote: > First, does Legacy 8 have the option to use a different system than the > 'Record Number' pattern, like the Dollarhide system, the Register > system, the NGSQ system or the Ahnentafel system within a particular > tree? If so, where do you set it? If not, should it? Legacy allows you to select the numbering system used for descendant reports when you print the report. > Second, how do other Legacy genealogy researchers use the 'numbering > systems' available to them? I want to take an informal survey to see if > there is much consideration given the numbering system for genealogical > research. I, like most South African genealogists, use the de Villiers/Pama system, which uses letters for generations and numbers for birth order. Legacy offers that as an option. > > A.I don't know anything about numbering systems and let the > computer program assign the numbers > B.I set an event for the numbering system > C.I use another method/program to monitor the relationship > numbering system for my research > > I hope this does not confuse people, because from what I read last > night, it is very important (and informative) when you publish material > in professional journals and books. > > Thank you for your patience. > > John Hannigan > Florida > > -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Blog:http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com Web:http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm E-mail: sha...@dunelm.org.uk -- ___ LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com
Re: [LegacyUG] Numbering System usage/survey
This is a pretty big topic but I will nutshell it best I can. RINs and MRINs are assigned by the program. These numbers are necessary for database type programs and you can either use them to your advantage or you can ignore them, your choice. Some people like to use the RINs or MRINs as part of their paper or electronic filing system. I don’t. Ahnentafel numbers are the standard numbering system for Pedigree Charts. The Register System and the Modified Register System (NGSQ) is what you will see on Descendant Book Reports. Why? Because these are specific formats used in The Register (the journal put out by the New England Historic Genealogical Society) and the NGSQ (the journal put out by the National Genealogical Society). These are accepted standards for this style of report and if you want to submit a genealogy to a society for publication one of these formats is what the society will probably ask for. The Dollarhide system, the Henry system, the d’Aboville system, the de Villiers system and others are expansions of the Ahnentafel system so that more family members are included. The Ahnentafel system only accounts for the direct line ancestors, no siblings. I personally would never use any of these because they make sense to very few people. I use Ahnentafel numbers for Pedigree Charts and I use the NGSQ for Descendant Book Reports and that’s it ☺ Michele Technical Support Millennia Corporation mich...@legacyfamilytree.com www.legacyfamilytree.com From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On Behalf Of Hannigan Family Research Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:07 PM To: Mailing List for users of Legacy Family Tree software <legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com> Subject: [LegacyUG] Numbering System usage/survey Prior to last night, I knew very little about the various types of 'numbering systems' (http://eogen.editme.com/NumberingSystems) that genealogy researchers use. To say that this is a little confusing is an understatement. There are many different options with many different purposes. Why are there so many systems and why are they so different? It appears that there is some popular usage tied to the 'Dollarhide System' or a modification of that system. The link above is to Dick Eastman's website and the page is the base page if you want to research further the various systems. There are links on the page that provide a description (and some examples) of they system. For most genealogy researchers, this is probably a mute point - meaning they don't really think about it, they just allow their computer program to establish the pattern. I think that Legacy 8 uses the 'Record Number' system of the database being used and links records together in an 'inter-relational' pattern. I know you have the option to display or not display the RIN/RMIN when viewing listings/reports. First, does Legacy 8 have the option to use a different system than the 'Record Number' pattern, like the Dollarhide system, the Register system, the NGSQ system or the Ahnentafel system within a particular tree? If so, where do you set it? If not, should it? Second, how do other Legacy genealogy researchers use the 'numbering systems' available to them? I want to take an informal survey to see if there is much consideration given the numbering system for genealogical research. A.I don't know anything about numbering systems and let the computer program assign the numbers B.I set an event for the numbering system C.I use another method/program to monitor the relationship numbering system for my research I hope this does not confuse people, because from what I read last night, it is very important (and informative) when you publish material in professional journals and books. Thank you for your patience. John Hannigan Florida -- ___ LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com
[LegacyUG] Numbering System usage/survey
Prior to last night, I knew very little about the various types of 'numbering systems' (http://eogen.editme.com/NumberingSystems) that genealogy researchers use. To say that this is a little confusing is an understatement. There are many different options with many different purposes. Why are there so many systems and why are they so different? It appears that there is some popular usage tied to the 'Dollarhide System' or a modification of that system. The link above is to Dick Eastman's website and the page is the base page if you want to research further the various systems. There are links on the page that provide a description (and some examples) of they system. For most genealogy researchers, this is probably a mute point - meaning they don't really think about it, they just allow their computer program to establish the pattern. I think that Legacy 8 uses the 'Record Number' system of the database being used and links records together in an 'inter-relational' pattern. I know you have the option to display or not display the RIN/RMIN when viewing listings/reports. First, does Legacy 8 have the option to use a different system than the 'Record Number' pattern, like the Dollarhide system, the Register system, the NGSQ system or the Ahnentafel system within a particular tree? If so, where do you set it? If not, should it? Second, how do other Legacy genealogy researchers use the 'numbering systems' available to them? I want to take an informal survey to see if there is much consideration given the numbering system for genealogical research. A.I don't know anything about numbering systems and let the computer program assign the numbers B.I set an event for the numbering system C.I use another method/program to monitor the relationship numbering system for my research I hope this does not confuse people, because from what I read last night, it is very important (and informative) when you publish material in professional journals and books. Thank you for your patience. John Hannigan Florida -- ___ LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com
