RE: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database
okay, thanks Brian and Michele. Barton On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 08:36 AM, Michele/Support wrote: I agree. I only use the main URL for the website such as https://familysearch.org https://familysearch.org or http://www.ancestry.com http://www.ancestry.com Michele Technical Support mich...@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com www.legacyfamilytree.com http://www.legacyfamilytree.com From: Brian L. Lightfoot [mailto:br...@the-lightfoots.com] Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 12:27 AM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database Just one word (or paragraph) of caution about trying to supply specific URLs to these records that are part of a larger database collection. I have seen many such repositories occasionally change their internal file location structure so that while the URL to the home page which typically contains a “search the database” utility tends to not change, the specific URLs to the records themselves can and usually does change. In other words, you might be better served if you only reference the URL to the repository itself and let future researchers that want to view a specific record within that repository then use whatever search mechanisms are available to them at that future date. I suppose this can all be summed in in Murphy’s 7th Law of the Universe: two things will change in the future, your looks and Internet URLs. Brian in CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database
I agree. I only use the main URL for the website such as https://familysearch.org or http://www.ancestry.com Michele Technical Support mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com mich...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.legacyfamilytree.com www.legacyfamilytree.com From: Brian L. Lightfoot [mailto:br...@the-lightfoots.com] Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 12:27 AM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database Just one word (or paragraph) of caution about trying to supply specific URLs to these records that are part of a larger database collection. I have seen many such repositories occasionally change their internal file location structure so that while the URL to the home page which typically contains a “search the database” utility tends to not change, the specific URLs to the records themselves can and usually does change. In other words, you might be better served if you only reference the URL to the repository itself and let future researchers that want to view a specific record within that repository then use whatever search mechanisms are available to them at that future date. I suppose this can all be summed in in Murphy’s 7th Law of the Universe: two things will change in the future, your looks and Internet URLs. Brian in CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database
I agree that FamilySearch and Ancestry tend to have stable file structures within their databases and thus the record specific URLs tend not to change, but it is other repositories that can and do change. I believe the OP referenced something like “Virginia Masrriages, 1785-1940” which caused me to think that this site could have been one of the many state-sponsored or genealogical research group repositories of vital records. I know Illinois, Oklahoma, Ohio and several others are ones that make available such databases that are not only searchable online but allow the viewing and downloading of individual records. All that need happen to these repositories is for a new governor to be elected and he/she then wants to re-organize the online presences of the state with, of course, a larger picture of themselves on each page. I suspect that Illinois is probably the worst when every time their governor gets sent to prison, the whole repository is revamped. (My apologies to Illinois residents but I grew up there and I know what happens to Illinois governors.) There is nothing wrong with somehow adding in the record specific URL to the Legacy detail source citation. My hats off to those that want to add as much detailed information as they can. And generally speaking, even if the URL were to change, future researchers would probably be savy enough to alter the no-longer found URL to navigate to the main repository page upon which they could then perform the specific record search. So adding these specific URLs to your Legacy file does not mean you are doing it the wrong way. Hey, its Legacy. Do it whatever way you want. That’s the beauty of Legacy. Brian in CA PS – For what it’s worth, I recently came across a reference in FamilySeach that had changed the name of the database. It seems that whenever FamilySearch updates a database to include additional years, the name of the database gets changed. For example, “Iowa, County Marriages, 1838-1934, may get changed to “Iowa, County Marriages, 1838-1955”. Any reference to the old database name is not found. I’ve learned to use the FamilySearch collection number instead of the database name. Thus, either the old name or the new name of “Iowa, County Marriages” maintains a URL of https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1805551. But even with that, the Detail Source Citation within Legacy will still give the now-defunct database name. Fortunately the URL remains correct. I have no way of knowing which databases have changed nor am I inclined to go through the effort to change that name reference within my family file. From: John Lisle [mailto:leg...@johnlisle.com] Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:11 AM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database Brian, Michelle, Barton et al, Again, please let me be the naysayer. With some repositories, you can be more specific than just the top level URL. For instance... If you copy a FamilySearch record with their copy button, and paste it into a detail citation note, it will include the URL of the record and date the record was accessioned. (Even if those URLs go bad, which I have not seen, most web users will be able to use that to find the record.) As for Ancestry, I have a bookmarks page with direct links to specific databases within ancestry that I use frequently that I setup 10+ years ago. Those links still work. When I setup a source for, say, the 1900 US census, I use that URL as the Call Number for the repository. I have not tried using a URL to a specific ancestry record. However, you probably should reference the URL of a specific page in an ancestry tree or WorldConnect tree, if that was your source, as those pages could go away if the tree is removed, but will remain mostly static while tree is present. I have not done it, but I suspect that you can also use URL of specific Record Collection search pages as Call Numbers also. -- With ancestry and familysearch, the likelihood of those collection URLs changing is now minimal for their total search product to work. john. At 12:26 AM 4/18/2015, Brian L. Lightfoot wrote: Just one word (or paragraph) of caution about trying to supply specific URLs to these records that are part of a larger database collection. I have seen many such repositories occasionally change their internal file location structure so that while the URL to the home page which typically contains a “search the database†utility tends to not change, the specific URLs to the records themselves can and usually does change. In other words, you might be better served if you only reference the URL to the repository itself and let future researchers that want to view a specific record within that repository then use whatever search mechanisms are available to them at that future date. I suppose this can all
RE: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database
Thank you Mike. However, as the third paragraph of my post describes, I neither support nor practice the 'no urls for details' belief. Best, Denise -Original Message- From: MikeFry [mailto:emjay...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:23 AM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database On 2015/04/18 18:16 PM, Denise Moss-Fritch wrote: From the Edit the Source Detail dialog, click the Media tab. Click Add Media. In the Media Gallery for Source Detail for [name of Event/Fact], click Add Media. From the list, select Internet Website. It is on the Internet Website dialog that you can add the url, along with information that describes that url, even the date. Quite. But as others have said, there are few things as certain in this world as Death and Taxes - and that detailed urls will change at some point. -- Regards, Mike Fry (Jhb) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database
Brian, Michelle, Barton et al, Again, please let me be the naysayer. With some repositories, you can be more specific than just the top level URL. For instance... If you copy a FamilySearch record with their copy button, and paste it into a detail citation note, it will include the URL of the record and date the record was accessioned. (Even if those URLs go bad, which I have not seen, most web users will be able to use that to find the record.) As for Ancestry, I have a bookmarks page with direct links to specific databases within ancestry that I use frequently that I setup 10+ years ago. Those links still work. When I setup a source for, say, the 1900 US census, I use that URL as the Call Number for the repository. I have not tried using a URL to a specific ancestry record. However, you probably should reference the URL of a specific page in an ancestry tree or WorldConnect tree, if that was your source, as those pages could go away if the tree is removed, but will remain mostly static while tree is present. I have not done it, but I suspect that you can also use URL of specific Record Collection search pages as Call Numbers also. -- With ancestry and familysearch, the likelihood of those collection URLs changing is now minimal for their total search product to work. john. At 12:26 AM 4/18/2015, Brian L. Lightfoot wrote: Just one word (or paragraph) of caution about trying to supply specific URLs to these records that are part of a larger database collection. I have seen many such repositories occasionally change their internal file location structure so that while the URL to the home page which typically contains a âsearch the databaseâ utility tends to not change, the specific URLs to the records themselves can and usually does change. In other words, you might be better served if you only reference the URL to the repository itself and let future researchers that want to view a specific record within that repository then use whatever search mechanisms are available to them at that future date. I suppose this can all be summed in in Murphyâs 7th Law of the Universe: two things will change in the future, your looks and Internet URLs. Brian in CA From: Barton Lewis [ mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net] Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 5:32 PM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database I am finding that the SourceWriter template âinternet databaseâ is very good for most any internet database collection. However, there is one problem: there is only a url field for the main source, not one for the actual specific record within that collection. For the collection âVirginia, Marriages, 1785-1940â at familysearch, for example, I have multiple marriages I want to cite, but I would like to be able to cite the url for each individual record. Is it reasonable to ask that this source template be revised so as to include a url in the detail? Barton Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook ( http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog ( http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database
Barton, I am a bit surprised that no one has mentioned the Media tab of a citation. From the Edit the Source Detail dialog, click the Media tab. Click Add Media. In the Media Gallery for Source Detail for [name of Event/Fact], click Add Media. From the list, select Internet Website. It is on the Internet Website dialog that you can add the url, along with information that describes that url, even the date. I too use urls for a specific online record, whether that record is from Ancestry, FamilySearch, the Provincial Archives of New Brunswick, or some other location online. At the moment I am waiting for the next set of fixes to Legacy as the current version truncates (cuts short) the thousands of urls my GEDCOM is importing. As for a url possibly changing in the future, our job is to record where we found something at that time. If we found a family Bible record in the possession of aunt Beth, that does not mean the old Bible will remain with her forever. Even county records change (old ledgers destroyed, building burnt down, or records lost). I have also seen the reverse with old county history books, the copyright long out of date, being digitized and placed online by the local library. Best, Denise From: BARTON LEWIS [mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net] Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 6:53 AM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Cc: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database okay, thanks Brian and Michele. Barton On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 08:36 AM, Michele/Support wrote: I agree. I only use the main URL for the website such as https://familysearch.org or http://www.ancestry.com Michele Technical Support mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com mich...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.legacyfamilytree.com www.legacyfamilytree.com From: Brian L. Lightfoot [mailto:br...@the-lightfoots.com] Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 12:27 AM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database Just one word (or paragraph) of caution about trying to supply specific URLs to these records that are part of a larger database collection. I have seen many such repositories occasionally change their internal file location structure so that while the URL to the home page which typically contains a “search the database” utility tends to not change, the specific URLs to the records themselves can and usually does change. In other words, you might be better served if you only reference the URL to the repository itself and let future researchers that want to view a specific record within that repository then use whatever search mechanisms are available to them at that future date. I suppose this can all be summed in in Murphy’s 7th Law of the Universe: two things will change in the future, your looks and Internet URLs. Brian in CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database
On 2015/04/18 18:16 PM, Denise Moss-Fritch wrote: From the Edit the Source Detail dialog, click the Media tab. Click Add Media. In the Media Gallery for Source Detail for [name of Event/Fact], click Add Media. From the list, select Internet Website. It is on the Internet Website dialog that you can add the url, along with information that describes that url, even the date. Quite. But as others have said, there are few things as certain in this world as Death and Taxes - and that detailed urls will change at some point. -- Regards, Mike Fry (Jhb) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database
Hi Denise, thanks, but here’s what’s happening: 1.I click on the marriage; 2. The “marriage/relationship information” dialog box comes up; I click inside “Marr Date” and then click on “add or Edit source citations;” 3. I click on “edit detail;” 4. I click on “Media;” 5. Then click on “Add media;” 6. I click on “add Media” again and then on “internet website;” 7. I paste the url in the Website url field; then close all boxes. The output does not show the url. Just the url I entered of the main website which I entered in the Source. Do you know why it isn’t showing? Thanks, Barton From: Denise Moss-Fritch [mailto:d.mossfri...@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 12:16 PM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database Barton, I am a bit surprised that no one has mentioned the Media tab of a citation. From the Edit the Source Detail dialog, click the Media tab. Click Add Media. In the Media Gallery for Source Detail for [name of Event/Fact], click Add Media. From the list, select Internet Website. It is on the Internet Website dialog that you can add the url, along with information that describes that url, even the date. I too use urls for a specific online record, whether that record is from Ancestry, FamilySearch, the Provincial Archives of New Brunswick, or some other location online. At the moment I am waiting for the next set of fixes to Legacy as the current version truncates (cuts short) the thousands of urls my GEDCOM is importing. As for a url possibly changing in the future, our job is to record where we found something at that time. If we found a family Bible record in the possession of aunt Beth, that does not mean the old Bible will remain with her forever. Even county records change (old ledgers destroyed, building burnt down, or records lost). I have also seen the reverse with old county history books, the copyright long out of date, being digitized and placed online by the local library. Best, Denise From: BARTON LEWIS [mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net] Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 6:53 AM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Cc: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database okay, thanks Brian and Michele. Barton On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 08:36 AM, Michele/Support wrote: I agree. I only use the main URL for the website such as https://familysearch.org or http://www.ancestry.com Michele Technical Support mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com mich...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.legacyfamilytree.com www.legacyfamilytree.com From: Brian L. Lightfoot [mailto:br...@the-lightfoots.com] Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 12:27 AM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database Just one word (or paragraph) of caution about trying to supply specific URLs to these records that are part of a larger database collection. I have seen many such repositories occasionally change their internal file location structure so that while the URL to the home page which typically contains a “search the database” utility tends to not change, the specific URLs to the records themselves can and usually does change. In other words, you might be better served if you only reference the URL to the repository itself and let future researchers that want to view a specific record within that repository then use whatever search mechanisms are available to them at that future date. I suppose this can all be summed in in Murphy’s 7th Law of the Universe: two things will change in the future, your looks and Internet URLs. Brian in CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User
RE: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database
Barton, Very interesting! You are correct. Legacy is treating the url as a graphic icon, not an actual Internet address. For example, if you select to print citation detail graphics along with the source/citation information on a family group record. Legacy does not print the url as an actual address in the source/citation, but does print the url icon. Nor, is that graphic icon an active link when the report is online. Sorry, I am much more familiar with a different genealogy software that does allow including or not including a citation detail url as an Internet address in the source/citation information. Definitely not sure I like the way Legacy handles citation detail urls. Denise From: Barton Lewis [mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net] Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 1:59 PM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database Hi Denise, thanks, but here’s what’s happening: 1.I click on the marriage; 2. The “marriage/relationship information” dialog box comes up; I click inside “Marr Date” and then click on “add or Edit source citations;” 3. I click on “edit detail;” 4. I click on “Media;” 5. Then click on “Add media;” 6. I click on “add Media” again and then on “internet website;” 7. I paste the url in the Website url field; then close all boxes. The output does not show the url. Just the url I entered of the main website which I entered in the Source. Do you know why it isn’t showing? Thanks, Barton From: Denise Moss-Fritch [mailto:d.mossfri...@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 12:16 PM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database Barton, I am a bit surprised that no one has mentioned the Media tab of a citation. From the Edit the Source Detail dialog, click the Media tab. Click Add Media. In the Media Gallery for Source Detail for [name of Event/Fact], click Add Media. From the list, select Internet Website. It is on the Internet Website dialog that you can add the url, along with information that describes that url, even the date. I too use urls for a specific online record, whether that record is from Ancestry, FamilySearch, the Provincial Archives of New Brunswick, or some other location online. At the moment I am waiting for the next set of fixes to Legacy as the current version truncates (cuts short) the thousands of urls my GEDCOM is importing. As for a url possibly changing in the future, our job is to record where we found something at that time. If we found a family Bible record in the possession of aunt Beth, that does not mean the old Bible will remain with her forever. Even county records change (old ledgers destroyed, building burnt down, or records lost). I have also seen the reverse with old county history books, the copyright long out of date, being digitized and placed online by the local library. Best, Denise From: BARTON LEWIS [mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net] Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 6:53 AM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Cc: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database okay, thanks Brian and Michele. Barton On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 08:36 AM, Michele/Support wrote: I agree. I only use the main URL for the website such as https://familysearch.org or http://www.ancestry.com Michele Technical Support mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com mich...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.legacyfamilytree.com www.legacyfamilytree.com From: Brian L. Lightfoot [mailto:br...@the-lightfoots.com] Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 12:27 AM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database Just one word (or paragraph) of caution about trying to supply specific URLs to these records that are part of a larger database collection. I have seen many such repositories occasionally change their internal file location structure so that while the URL to the home page which typically contains a “search the database” utility tends to not change, the specific URLs to the records themselves can and usually does change. In other words, you might be better served if you only reference the URL to the repository itself and let future researchers that want to view a specific record within that repository then use whatever search mechanisms are available to them at that future date. I suppose this can all be summed in in Murphy’s 7th Law of the Universe: two things will change in the future, your looks and Internet URLs. Brian in CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Re: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database
If you really want the specific URL to show and it doesn't seem appropriate to put it in the credit line in the Source Detail, why not use the Comment field and check it for printing? There are templates that do include a URL in the source detail (eg newspaper templates) but not the generic online database one. Cathy Denise Moss-Fritch wrote: Barton, Very interesting! You are correct. Legacy is treating the url as a graphic icon, not an actual Internet address. For example, if you select to print citation detail graphics along with the source/citation information on a family group record. Legacy does not print the url as an actual address in the source/citation, but does print the url icon. Nor, is that graphic icon an active link when the report is online. Sorry, I am much more familiar with a different genealogy software that does allow including or not including a citation detail url as an Internet address in the source/citation information. Definitely not sure I like the way Legacy handles citation detail urls. Denise *From:*Barton Lewis [mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net] *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2015 1:59 PM *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database Hi Denise, thanks, but here’s what’s happening: 1.I click on the marriage; 2.The “marriage/relationship information†dialog box comes up; I click inside “Marr Date†and then click on “add or Edit source citations;†3.I click on “edit detail;†4.I click on “Media;†5.Then click on “Add media;†6.I click on “add Media†again and then on “internet website;†7.I paste the url in the Website url field; then close all boxes. The output does not show the url. Just the url I entered of the main website which I entered in the Source. Do you know why it isn’t showing? Thanks, Barton *From:*Denise Moss-Fritch [mailto:d.mossfri...@comcast.net] *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2015 12:16 PM *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database Barton, I am a bit surprised that no one has mentioned the Media tab of a citation. From the Edit the Source Detail dialog, click the Media tab. Click Add Media. In the Media Gallery for Source Detail for [name of Event/Fact], click Add Media. From the list, select Internet Website. It is on the Internet Website dialog that you can add the url, along with information that describes that url, even the date. I too use urls for a specific online record, whether that record is from Ancestry, FamilySearch, the Provincial Archives of New Brunswick, or some other location online. At the moment I am waiting for the next set of fixes to Legacy as the current version truncates (cuts short) the thousands of urls my GEDCOM is importing. As for a url possibly changing in the future, our job is to record where we found something at that time. If we found a family Bible record in the possession of aunt Beth, that does not mean the old Bible will remain with her forever. Even county records change (old ledgers destroyed, building burnt down, or records lost). I have also seen the reverse with old county history books, the copyright long out of date, being digitized and placed online by the local library. Best, Denise *From:*BARTON LEWIS [mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net] *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2015 6:53 AM *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com *Cc:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database okay, thanks Brian and Michele. Barton On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 08:36 AM, Michele/Support wrote: I agree. I only use the main URL for the website such as https://familysearch.org or http://www.ancestry.com Michele Technical Support mich...@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com www.legacyfamilytree.com http://www.legacyfamilytree.com *From:* Brian L. Lightfoot [mailto:br...@the-lightfoots.com] *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2015 12:27 AM *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database Just one word (or paragraph) of caution about trying to supply specific URLs to these records that are part of a larger database collection. I have seen many such repositories occasionally change their internal file location structure so that while the URL to the home page which typically contains a “search the database†utility tends to not change, the specific URLs to the records themselves can and usually does change. In other words, you might be better served if you only reference the URL to the repository itself and let future researchers that want to view a specific record within that repository then use whatever search mechanisms
RE: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database
Thanks everyone for your feedback on this. I agree with Denise and others who favor citing the record-specific url. Doubtless there will come a time when the familysearch and other url’s become obsolete but until that happens, it’s nice to have them. And it doesn’t hurt to have them after they become obsolete to show where you found the record. Which brings me back to my original point: it would be nice to have a field in the source detail where you can input the url. Denise wrote about the Media field and entering a url there, but this just provides a link to the website; what I would like is for the url to appear in the source citation output. For that, a field is needed in the detail. I believe I have seen templates where there was a field in the detail for the url; perhaps I can use or modify a source to do this. Can one create or customize source templates in Legacy? Barton From: John Lisle [mailto:leg...@johnlisle.com] Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 12:11 PM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database Brian, Michelle, Barton et al, Again, please let me be the naysayer. With some repositories, you can be more specific than just the top level URL. For instance... If you copy a FamilySearch record with their copy button, and paste it into a detail citation note, it will include the URL of the record and date the record was accessioned. (Even if those URLs go bad, which I have not seen, most web users will be able to use that to find the record.) As for Ancestry, I have a bookmarks page with direct links to specific databases within ancestry that I use frequently that I setup 10+ years ago. Those links still work. When I setup a source for, say, the 1900 US census, I use that URL as the Call Number for the repository. I have not tried using a URL to a specific ancestry record. However, you probably should reference the URL of a specific page in an ancestry tree or WorldConnect tree, if that was your source, as those pages could go away if the tree is removed, but will remain mostly static while tree is present. I have not done it, but I suspect that you can also use URL of specific Record Collection search pages as Call Numbers also. -- With ancestry and familysearch, the likelihood of those collection URLs changing is now minimal for their total search product to work. john. At 12:26 AM 4/18/2015, Brian L. Lightfoot wrote: Just one word (or paragraph) of caution about trying to supply specific URLs to these records that are part of a larger database collection. I have seen many such repositories occasionally change their internal file location structure so that while the URL to the home page which typically contains a “search the database†utility tends to not change, the specific URLs to the records themselves can and usually does change. In other words, you might be better served if you only reference the URL to the repository itself and let future researchers that want to view a specific record within that repository then use whatever search mechanisms are available to them at that future date. I suppose this can all be summed in in Murphy’s 7th Law of the Universe: two things will change in the future, your looks and Internet URLs. Brian in CA From: Barton Lewis [ mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net ] Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 5:32 PM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database I am finding that the SourceWriter template “internet database†is very good for most any internet database collection. However, there is one problem: there is only a url field for the main source, not one for the actual specific record within that collection. For the collection “Virginia, Marriages, 1785-1940†at familysearch, for example, I have multiple marriages I want to cite, but I would like to be able to cite the url for each individual record. Is it reasonable to ask that this source template be revised so as to include a url in the detail? Barton Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/ Follow Legacy on Facebook ( http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree ) and on our blog ( http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/ ). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com
RE: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database
Just one word (or paragraph) of caution about trying to supply specific URLs to these records that are part of a larger database collection. I have seen many such repositories occasionally change their internal file location structure so that while the URL to the home page which typically contains a “search the database” utility tends to not change, the specific URLs to the records themselves can and usually does change. In other words, you might be better served if you only reference the URL to the repository itself and let future researchers that want to view a specific record within that repository then use whatever search mechanisms are available to them at that future date. I suppose this can all be summed in in Murphy’s 7th Law of the Universe: two things will change in the future, your looks and Internet URLs. Brian in CA From: Barton Lewis [mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net] Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 5:32 PM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database I am finding that the SourceWriter template “internet database” is very good for most any internet database collection. However, there is one problem: there is only a url field for the main source, not one for the actual specific record within that collection. For the collection “Virginia, Marriages, 1785-1940” at familysearch, for example, I have multiple marriages I want to cite, but I would like to be able to cite the url for each individual record. Is it reasonable to ask that this source template be revised so as to include a url in the detail? Barton Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] SourceWriter: internet database
I am finding that the SourceWriter template internet database is very good for most any internet database collection. However, there is one problem: there is only a url field for the main source, not one for the actual specific record within that collection. For the collection Virginia, Marriages, 1785-1940 at familysearch, for example, I have multiple marriages I want to cite, but I would like to be able to cite the url for each individual record. Is it reasonable to ask that this source template be revised so as to include a url in the detail? Barton Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
