Re: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared
Hi Erica, You said: *if* I went back to using dropbox, would I need to have the working .fdb in the dropbox folder and direct the set Starting Family File to Always open this file to open the dropbox .fdb ? I can understand using dropbox as a safe off-site place to store zipped backups, but if you wanted to be able to access your current Legacy file from both PC and laptop (not both at the same time, I get that) you would need the working .fdb to be stored and opening from dropbox, have I got that right? My method is to store my working file elsewhere, not in Dropbox (it's actual location doesn't matter, so I won't muddy the waters here by giving details). *But*, when I back up my Legacy file, the backup is directed to a folder under Dropbox. So the backup is in Dropbox, not the working file. I *usually* only work on my Legacy file from my laptop. However, if I wanted to access it from my desk computer, or from someone else's (online) computer, I just need to restore the backup file - either from the Dropbox folder on my computer, or by accessing my online storage if I'm elsewhere. When I'm done on the other machine I back up to Dropbox again, and when I'm next at the laptop I restore the latest backup before continuing. That's the catch with this method, if you work on more than one machine - you have to remember to restore the backup if you last worked on a different machine to the one you're using now. I don't normally do that, so it's not an issue for me. Just like Legacy itself, there's more than one way to approach this tool. Mine isn't necessarily any better than the other replies you've had, just different. It works for me, and may be what works for you, too. :-) Kind Regards, Wendy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared
Hi Wendy, Thank you for describing your method, this sounds like a safe way to make use of it - it's good to see what works for other people, Cheers Erica -Original Message- From: Wendy Howard [mailto:wendy.how...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2011 5:30 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared Hi Erica, You said: *if* I went back to using dropbox, would I need to have the working .fdb in the dropbox folder and direct the set Starting Family File to Always open this file to open the dropbox .fdb ? I can understand using dropbox as a safe off-site place to store zipped backups, but if you wanted to be able to access your current Legacy file from both PC and laptop (not both at the same time, I get that) you would need the working .fdb to be stored and opening from dropbox, have I got that right? My method is to store my working file elsewhere, not in Dropbox (it's actual location doesn't matter, so I won't muddy the waters here by giving details). *But*, when I back up my Legacy file, the backup is directed to a folder under Dropbox. So the backup is in Dropbox, not the working file. I *usually* only work on my Legacy file from my laptop. However, if I wanted to access it from my desk computer, or from someone else's (online) computer, I just need to restore the backup file - either from the Dropbox folder on my computer, or by accessing my online storage if I'm elsewhere. When I'm done on the other machine I back up to Dropbox again, and when I'm next at the laptop I restore the latest backup before continuing. That's the catch with this method, if you work on more than one machine - you have to remember to restore the backup if you last worked on a different machine to the one you're using now. I don't normally do that, so it's not an issue for me. Just like Legacy itself, there's more than one way to approach this tool. Mine isn't necessarily any better than the other replies you've had, just different. It works for me, and may be what works for you, too. :-) Kind Regards, Wendy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: Legacy fdb in Dropbox was RE: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared
Hi Paul, Thanks more making this clearer for me, I didn't understand before if the automatic screen 'saves' in Legacy would be getting transferred to the dropbox website and was wondering if a slow or interrupted internet connection would create a problem, but if the interaction is all on my PC until the programme is closed that would remove the worry of the saves not transferring quickly enough.Thanks for your help, I understand the process a lot more now, Cheers Erica -Original Message- From: Paul Gray [mailto:grayp...@telus.net] Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2011 9:37 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com Subject: Legacy fdb in Dropbox was RE: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared Erica, Since this is still about using Legacy, I hope it will be ruled on topic Your last line said I can understand using dropbox as a safe off-site place to store zipped backups, but if you wanted to be able to access your current Legacy file from both PC and laptop (not both at the same time, I get that) you would need the working .fdb to be stored and opening from dropbox, have I got that right? Yes, this is essentially correct. However, to be precise, you put the .fdb file in the Dropbox folder on your local PC, and while you are using Legacy you are still interacting with your local PC. Only when you close Legacy will the updated fdb file be uploaded to the Dropbox website for 1) backup, and 2) synchronization with other computers if you choose. And, yes it is very important not only to use Legacy on one computer at a time, one must allow Dropbox to sync files after booting up the computer before opening Legacy, or you could still get conflicted files. All I did was move my Legacy Data folder to Dropbox, I left everything else in C:\Legacy. Paul Gray Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: Legacy fdb in Dropbox was RE: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:14:54 +1100, Erica Portelli tan...@optusnet.com.au wrote: if the interaction is all on my PC until the programme is closed that would remove the worry of the saves not transferring quickly enough. That is not correct. I just did a little test. Dropbox will sync your local copy with the cloud copy as you make the changes to your local .fdb. It does not wait until you close Legacy. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools/Custom Programming) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools/index.htm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools NOTE TO LUG USERS: Use plain text if you want me to read your post. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: Legacy fdb in Dropbox was RE: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared
Dennis, I think that you are correct, but it is confusing! At the end of a session ie. when exiting Legacy a message appears saying updating drop box - or similar. However if one has Legacy open an another PC at the same time *Definitely Dangerous and Not recommended* then this is synced as one goes along, and conflicted files result. So, it is far safer to assume that Dropbox is updated as one updates the .fdb file. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Dennis M. Kowallek Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 1:11 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: Legacy fdb in Dropbox was RE: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:14:54 +1100, Erica Portelli tan...@optusnet.com.au wrote: if the interaction is all on my PC until the programme is closed that would remove the worry of the saves not transferring quickly enough. That is not correct. I just did a little test. Dropbox will sync your local copy with the cloud copy as you make the changes to your local .fdb. It does not wait until you close Legacy. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools/Custom Programming) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools/index.htm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools NOTE TO LUG USERS: Use plain text if you want me to read your post. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: Legacy fdb in Dropbox was RE: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared
Dennis, I know the process by which a Database is updated, I was really commenting on Dropbox messages (at least I assume they are from Dropbox, but maybe from the o/s) which could easily lead to a misunderstanding. Your observations should, however, convince the doubters! Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Dennis M. Kowallek Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 2:46 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: Legacy fdb in Dropbox was RE: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:24:26 +0100, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: I think that you are correct, but it is confusing! At the end of a session ie. when exiting Legacy a message appears saying updating drop box - or similar. However if one has Legacy open an another PC at the same time *Definitely Dangerous and Not recommended* then this is synced as one goes along, and conflicted files result. So, it is far safer to assume that Dropbox is updated as one updates the .fdb file. I actually watched the Dropbox icon on the status bar (XP) immediately after deleting an individual. The icon changes and if you hover over it it says it is uploading. I paused for a minute and let it sync. When the icon stopped uploading I shut Legacy down and Dropbox did not do any further syncing with the .fdb. However it did sync the .ldb lock file (removed it). Remember that a database is a little different than say a Word file. The database is constantly getting changed while a Word file may not actually get written to disk until the very end (i.e. you close Word). Dropbox works by detecting a file write and sending the updated portion of the file to the cloud. It only sends the changed part of a file ... not the whole file. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools/Custom Programming) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools/index.htm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools NOTE TO LUG USERS: Use plain text if you want me to read your post. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: Legacy fdb in Dropbox was RE: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:27:06 +0100, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: I know the process by which a Database is updated I was addressing the not-so knowledgeable with my explanation. ;-) Your observations should, however, convince the doubters! I'm not trying to convince anyone. I personally would discourage placing the live .fdb in the DropBox folder. But directing backups to the DropBox folder is ok IMO. Backing up, no matter where you place them, is a good idea. And off-premise, in this case the cloud, is even better. Keep in mind that there are security issues with placing your data in the cloud. I believe DropBox recently had an issue with allowing anyone who simply knew your email id to access your data (wasn't asking for or checking the password). -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools/Custom Programming) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools/index.htm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools NOTE TO LUG USERS: Use plain text if you want me to read your post. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: Legacy fdb in Dropbox was RE: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared
I think I missed it. What is the reason for discouraging placing the live .fdb in the DropBox folder? On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Dennis M. Kowallek kowal...@iglou.comwrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:27:06 +0100, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: I know the process by which a Database is updated I was addressing the not-so knowledgeable with my explanation. ;-) Your observations should, however, convince the doubters! I'm not trying to convince anyone. I personally would discourage placing the live .fdb in the DropBox folder. But directing backups to the DropBox folder is ok IMO. Backing up, no matter where you place them, is a good idea. And off-premise, in this case the cloud, is even better. Keep in mind that there are security issues with placing your data in the cloud. I believe DropBox recently had an issue with allowing anyone who simply knew your email id to access your data (wasn't asking for or checking the password). -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools/Custom Programming) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools/index.htm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools NOTE TO LUG USERS: Use plain text if you want me to read your post. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: Legacy fdb in Dropbox was RE: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared
Erica (and Dennis) I stand corrected. Dennis is right, (I tried his test). Dropbox is being updated each time you save a record, not just when you close Legacy. I took it one step further. I updated (but did not close) Legacy while my internet connection was disabled by powering off my modem. The little Dropbox icon spun and spun until I re-established my connection, then the files updated in the cloud. Confirmed by looking at event log in Dropbox. Based on other notes in this thread, I can see that if the only purpose of one's use of Dropbox is to provide offsite backup (not multi computer synchronization) it is sufficient to simply store the backup zip files in Dropbox. I would simply use the Dropbox directory in the File-Backup dialog. This gives you two backups, the first is in the Dropbox folder on your local PC, the second (created a few milliseconds later as long as you are on-line) in your Dropbox folder in the cloud. If you want to synchronize two computers automatically, you need to put your working file in the Dropbox folder on both PCs. Yes, you do have to be careful to ensure that 1) you only use Legacy on one machine at a time, and 2) you allow the synchronization process to complete before using Legacy on the second computer. More specifically, 1) At the end of a session working on PC1, one must allow Dropbox to finish uploading changes to the cloud. If one is offline, one must go online at some point to complete this step before moving to step 2. 2) Before opening Legacy on PC2, one must go online and ensure that Dropbox has downloaded the latest fdb file as part of the automatic synchronization process. Otherwise, one will be working with an out of date fdb file which will effectively erase the latest changes made on PC1. I don't want to put words in Dennis's mouth, but I am assuming that his reluctance (at least in part) to endorse putting the live file in Dropbox is because this process is user controlled and subject to error. It really depends, I think on whether the two PC's are routinely used at the same time and the user's knowledge level. If it's difficult to control synchronization as above (let's say there are multiple people using the computer and one is never sure what the other person has done) the procedure of storing just the zip files in Dropbox and doing a restore of the cloud copy of the backup zip file on PC2 (suggested by Wendy, I think) seems like an excellent user controlled alternative. Paul Gray I -Original Message- From: Erica Portelli [mailto:tan...@optusnet.com.au] Sent: October-26-11 4:15 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: Legacy fdb in Dropbox was RE: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared Hi Paul, Thanks more making this clearer for me, I didn't understand before if the automatic screen 'saves' in Legacy would be getting transferred to the dropbox website and was wondering if a slow or interrupted internet connection would create a problem, but if the interaction is all on my PC until the programme is closed that would remove the worry of the saves not transferring quickly enough.Thanks for your help, I understand the process a lot more now, Cheers Erica -Original Message- From: Paul Gray [mailto:grayp...@telus.net] Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2011 9:37 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com Subject: Legacy fdb in Dropbox was RE: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared Erica, Since this is still about using Legacy, I hope it will be ruled on topic Your last line said I can understand using dropbox as a safe off-site place to store zipped backups, but if you wanted to be able to access your current Legacy file from both PC and laptop (not both at the same time, I get that) you would need the working .fdb to be stored and opening from dropbox, have I got that right? Yes, this is essentially correct. However, to be precise, you put the .fdb file in the Dropbox folder on your local PC, and while you are using Legacy you are still interacting with your local PC. Only when you close Legacy will the updated fdb file be uploaded to the Dropbox website for 1) backup, and 2) synchronization with other computers if you choose. And, yes it is very important not only to use Legacy on one computer at a time, one must allow Dropbox to sync files after booting up the computer before opening Legacy, or you could still get conflicted files. All I did was move my Legacy Data folder to Dropbox, I left everything else in C:\Legacy. Paul Gray Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com
RE: Legacy fdb in Dropbox was RE: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared
Thank you again everyone for their input, Dennis and Paul for his testing, I appreciate the time and effort you have all spent on this subject, Cheers Erica -Original Message- From: Paul Gray [mailto:grayp...@telus.net] Sent: Thursday, 27 October 2011 7:47 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com Subject: RE: Legacy fdb in Dropbox was RE: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared Erica (and Dennis) I stand corrected. Dennis is right, (I tried his test). Dropbox is being updated each time you save a record, not just when you close Legacy. I took it one step further. I updated (but did not close) Legacy while my internet connection was disabled by powering off my modem. The little Dropbox icon spun and spun until I re-established my connection, then the files updated in the cloud. Confirmed by looking at event log in Dropbox. snip Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared
Dennis, I went to the Legacy customise backup screen: Select name and location for data backup: and directed the backup to the Dropbox folder, so the zip backup went there each time I closed Legacy. Do you mean you would have physically copied the .fdb and not made this automatic selection to Dropbox? Where would you have saved your .fdb before copying to dropbox? I've now gone back to doing two backups - first to a removeable USB stick and second to the c:\Legacy\Data, changing the location each time to suit. I've gone to options : locations and made the Default location of family files : C:\Legacy\Data Default location for pictures, sound, docs etc are C:\Legacy\Pictures\ or sound etc. Location of temporary files is set at C:\Legacy\Temp I then did a complete drive clean up and as I suspected would happen, the .fdb in the Windows\Temporary Internet Files etc. has been deleted and Legacy has asked which family file to open. I've opened the .fdb in the latest back up zip (which by the way, adds a [1] to the name each time I open from here, so at the moment my family file name ends in [1][1][1].fdb ) After doing all this, in the Family File Information (gen. info) screen under File Information, my Family File Path is still showing as C:\Users\Tom Erica\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\9NMBQ1FW\ALL-family-current-OCT[1][1][1].fdb Under this the Legacy Path is C:\Legacy I don't doubt you when you say I'm probably causing the problem, but am now at a loss - I don't think I've ever studied the general information screen so have not noticed the path to the temporary internet file before and can't see anywhere to change this - as far as that goes, why is it saving in a temp.internet file anyway, couldn't I theoretically be using Legacy offline? So where would the file go then? If I have set my locations for the temp. files to C:\Legacy\Temp, shouldn't this working file be saving there? I don't understand why is it still saving to the C:\Users etc etc. Apart from the incident with the disappearing notes, I would just like to know that I've set up all the options and locations correctly, so any advice would be appreciated. Erica -Original Message- From: Dennis M. Kowallek [mailto:kowal...@iglou.com] Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2011 7:46 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:30:23 +1100, Erica Portelli tan...@optusnet.com.au wrote: By coincidence when the first incident happened a week ago I had just started to use Dropbox as a backup after hearing so many good reports. I'm wondering if this is somehow connected as I've never had this problem before. Exactly HOW are you using DropBox as a backup? After closing Legacy, are you copying the .fdb file to your DropBox folder? That is how I would do it. When I look at the general info box, it tells me my family file path is: C:\Users\Tom Erica\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\ATZK0IED\ALL-family-current-OCT[1].fdb This does not look good. *** I think you are causing your own problems, but without more details I cannot say for sure. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools/Custom Programming) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools/index.htm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:18:23 +1100, Erica Portelli tan...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Dennis, I went to the Legacy customise backup screen: Select name and location for data backup: and directed the backup to the Dropbox folder, so the zip backup went there each time I closed Legacy. Do you mean you would have physically copied the .fdb and not made this automatic selection to Dropbox? Where would you have saved your .fdb before copying to dropbox? I've now gone back to doing two backups - first to a removeable USB stick and second to the c:\Legacy\Data, changing the location each time to suit. Let's leave DropBox out of the equation for now. I don't think it is the problem and including it is just confusing the issue. I've gone to options : locations and made the Default location of family files : C:\Legacy\Data Default location for pictures, sound, docs etc are C:\Legacy\Pictures\ or sound etc. Location of temporary files is set at C:\Legacy\Temp This is fine. I then did a complete drive clean up and as I suspected would happen, the .fdb in the Windows\Temporary Internet Files etc. has been deleted and Legacy has asked which family file to open. I've opened the .fdb in the latest back up zip (which by the way, adds a [1] to the name each time I open from here, so at the moment my family file name ends in [1][1][1].fdb ) After doing all this, in the Family File Information (gen. info) screen under File Information, my Family File Path is still showing as C:\Users\Tom Erica\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\9NMBQ1FW\ALL-family-current-OCT[1][1][1].fdb I don't know how your .fdb ended up here. Close Legacy and use Windows to copy ALL-family-current-OCT[1][1][1].fdb from C:\Users\Tom Erica\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\9NMBQ1FW to C:\Legacy\Data and rename the file to whatever the real name should be (ALL-family.fdb or whatever). Now open Legacy and click File Open Family File and navigate to C:\Legacy\Data and open ALL-family.fdb. Once you do this, go to Options Customize... General (tab) and set Starting Family File to Always open this file and select C:\Legacy\Data\ALL-family.fdb in the File Selection dialog. Now save your option changes. I don't doubt you when you say I'm probably causing the problem, but am now at a loss - I don't think I've ever studied the general information screen so have not noticed the path to the temporary internet file before and can't see anywhere to change this - as far as that goes, why is it saving in a temp.internet file anyway, couldn't I theoretically be using Legacy offline? So where would the file go then? I can't begin to guess how it ended up there. If I have set my locations for the temp. files to C:\Legacy\Temp, shouldn't this working file be saving there? I don't understand why is it still saving to the C:\Users etc etc. Your Legacy temp file setting has nothing to do with where your .fdb is located. Don't worry about it, it is not the problem. When you open a .fdb Legacy will save any changes you make to your family data IMMEDIATELY and DIRECTLY to that .fdb. Apart from the incident with the disappearing notes, I would just like to know that I've set up all the options and locations correctly, so any advice would be appreciated. I don't know what you mean when you said earlier I've opened the .fdb in the latest back up zip. You should never OPEN a Legacy backup. You should use Legacy's File Restore Family File on a backup to recover an .fdb. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools/Custom Programming) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools/index.htm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools NOTE TO LUG USERS: Use plain text if you want me to read your post. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared
I do not use dropbox but am supposing it to be a web based product. That being the case, if you attempted to open the Legacy file from dropbox would that not use the file using Internet temporary storage locations? Alan -Original Message- From: Dennis M. Kowallek [mailto:kowal...@iglou.com] Sent: 25 October 2011 12:57 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:18:23 +1100, Erica Portelli tan...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Dennis, I went to the Legacy customise backup screen: Select name and location for data backup: and directed the backup to the Dropbox folder, so the zip backup went there each time I closed Legacy. Do you mean you would have physically copied the .fdb and not made this automatic selection to Dropbox? Where would you have saved your .fdb before copying to dropbox? I've now gone back to doing two backups - first to a removeable USB stick and second to the c:\Legacy\Data, changing the location each time to suit. Let's leave DropBox out of the equation for now. I don't think it is the problem and including it is just confusing the issue. I've gone to options : locations and made the Default location of family files : C:\Legacy\Data Default location for pictures, sound, docs etc are C:\Legacy\Pictures\ or sound etc. Location of temporary files is set at C:\Legacy\Temp This is fine. I then did a complete drive clean up and as I suspected would happen, the .fdb in the Windows\Temporary Internet Files etc. has been deleted and Legacy has asked which family file to open. I've opened the .fdb in the latest back up zip (which by the way, adds a [1] to the name each time I open from here, so at the moment my family file name ends in [1][1][1].fdb ) After doing all this, in the Family File Information (gen. info) screen under File Information, my Family File Path is still showing as C:\Users\Tom Erica\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\9NMBQ1FW\ALL-family-current-OCT[1][1][1].fdb I don't know how your .fdb ended up here. Close Legacy and use Windows to copy ALL-family-current-OCT[1][1][1].fdb from C:\Users\Tom Erica\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\9NMBQ1FW to C:\Legacy\Data and rename the file to whatever the real name should be (ALL-family.fdb or whatever). Now open Legacy and click File Open Family File and navigate to C:\Legacy\Data and open ALL-family.fdb. Once you do this, go to Options Customize... General (tab) and set Starting Family File to Always open this file and select C:\Legacy\Data\ALL-family.fdb in the File Selection dialog. Now save your option changes. I don't doubt you when you say I'm probably causing the problem, but am now at a loss - I don't think I've ever studied the general information screen so have not noticed the path to the temporary internet file before and can't see anywhere to change this - as far as that goes, why is it saving in a temp.internet file anyway, couldn't I theoretically be using Legacy offline? So where would the file go then? I can't begin to guess how it ended up there. If I have set my locations for the temp. files to C:\Legacy\Temp, shouldn't this working file be saving there? I don't understand why is it still saving to the C:\Users etc etc. Your Legacy temp file setting has nothing to do with where your .fdb is located. Don't worry about it, it is not the problem. When you open a .fdb Legacy will save any changes you make to your family data IMMEDIATELY and DIRECTLY to that .fdb. Apart from the incident with the disappearing notes, I would just like to know that I've set up all the options and locations correctly, so any advice would be appreciated. I don't know what you mean when you said earlier I've opened the .fdb in the latest back up zip. You should never OPEN a Legacy backup. You should use Legacy's File Restore Family File on a backup to recover an .fdb. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools/Custom Programming) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools/index.htm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools NOTE TO LUG USERS: Use plain text if you want me to read your post. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http
Re: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:08:15 +0100, Alan Pereira alanpere...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: I do not use dropbox but am supposing it to be a web based product. That being the case, if you attempted to open the Legacy file from dropbox would that not use the file using Internet temporary storage locations? No. That's not how it works. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools/Custom Programming) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools/index.htm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools NOTE TO LUG USERS: Use plain text if you want me to read your post. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared
The key is that she is trying to open a Legacy file that is in a backup (zip) file. In order to open the .fdb within that .zip backup file Windows extracts the .fdb file to the temporary storage folder and it is that temporary copy that Legacy is using. She should be looking for a .fdb file that is NOT in a .zip folder. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. On 25/10/2011 8:39 AM, Dennis M. Kowallek wrote: On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:08:15 +0100, Alan Pereira alanpere...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: I do not use dropbox but am supposing it to be a web based product. That being the case, if you attempted to open the Legacy file from dropbox would that not use the file using Internet temporary storage locations? No. That's not how it works. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared
Erica, Your problem is being caused because you are opening a .fdb file that is in a zipped file. That .fdb file is in a compacted form that Legacy cannot use. In order to make the file usable Windows extracts the full, uncompacted, file into the Windows\temporary files folder and it is that file the you are modifying as you work with Legacy. Here is how you should be opening your file: 1. Open Legacy and when you are asked what file to open look for a .fdb file that is NOT in a zipped file folder. 2. If you cannot find a .fdb file in a normal folder then do not open any file. 3. Go to File, Restore Family File 4. Select your latest backup (.zip) file and click Open 5. When asked where to save the file open the C:\Legacy\Data folder and save the file there. 6. Now when you open the file always open the .fdb file in C:\Legacy\Data folder and NEVER open a file that is listed inside a .zip folder. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. On 25/10/2011 4:18 AM, Erica Portelli wrote: Dennis, I went to the Legacy customise backup screen: Select name and location for data backup: and directed the backup to the Dropbox folder, so the zip backup went there each time I closed Legacy. Do you mean you would have physically copied the .fdb and not made this automatic selection to Dropbox? Where would you have saved your .fdb before copying to dropbox? I've now gone back to doing two backups - first to a removeable USB stick and second to the c:\Legacy\Data, changing the location each time to suit. I've gone to options : locations and made the Default location of family files : C:\Legacy\Data Default location for pictures, sound, docs etc are C:\Legacy\Pictures\ or sound etc. Location of temporary files is set at C:\Legacy\Temp I then did a complete drive clean up and as I suspected would happen, the .fdb in the Windows\Temporary Internet Files etc. has been deleted and Legacy has asked which family file to open. I've opened the .fdb in the latest back up zip (which by the way, adds a [1] to the name each time I open from here, so at the moment my family file name ends in [1][1][1].fdb ) After doing all this, in the Family File Information (gen. info) screen under File Information, my Family File Path is still showing as C:\Users\Tom Erica\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\9NMBQ1FW\ALL-family-current-OCT[1][1][1].fdb Under this the Legacy Path is C:\Legacy I don't doubt you when you say I'm probably causing the problem, but am now at a loss - I don't think I've ever studied the general information screen so have not noticed the path to the temporary internet file before and can't see anywhere to change this - as far as that goes, why is it saving in a temp.internet file anyway, couldn't I theoretically be using Legacy offline? So where would the file go then? If I have set my locations for the temp. files to C:\Legacy\Temp, shouldn't this working file be saving there? I don't understand why is it still saving to the C:\Users etc etc. Apart from the incident with the disappearing notes, I would just like to know that I've set up all the options and locations correctly, so any advice would be appreciated. Erica -Original Message- From: Dennis M. Kowallek [mailto:kowal...@iglou.com] Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2011 7:46 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:30:23 +1100, Erica Portelli tan...@optusnet.com.au wrote: By coincidence when the first incident happened a week ago I had just started to use Dropbox as a backup after hearing so many good reports. I'm wondering if this is somehow connected as I've never had this problem before. Exactly HOW are you using DropBox as a backup? After closing Legacy, are you copying the .fdb file to your DropBox folder? That is how I would do it. When I look at the general info box, it tells me my family file path is: C:\Users\Tom Erica\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\ATZK0IED\ALL-family-current-OCT[1].fdb This does not look good. *** I think you are causing your own problems, but without more details I cannot say for sure. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http
Re: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared
A good reason not to use Dropbox? From: Dennis M. Kowallek kowal...@iglou.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:08:15 +0100, Alan Pereira alanpere...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: I do not use dropbox but am supposing it to be a web based product. That being the case, if you attempted to open the Legacy file from dropbox would that not use the file using Internet temporary storage locations? No. That's not how it works. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools/Custom Programming) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools/index.htm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools NOTE TO LUG USERS: Use plain text if you want me to read your post. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared
Ron Bernier Sent from my Verizon iPhone On Oct 25, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Duane Baker dbake...@yahoo.commailto:dbake...@yahoo.com wrote: A good reason not to use Dropbox? Not so. My Legacy database is kept in Dropbox and I have had no issues at all accessing my database from different computers. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared
Does not have anything to do with Dropbox. On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Ron Bernier ronaldbern...@bernfrin.netwrote: Ron Bernier Sent from my Verizon iPhone On Oct 25, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Duane Baker dbake...@yahoo.com wrote: A good reason not to use Dropbox? -- *Not so. My Legacy database is kept in Dropbox and I have had no issues at all accessing my database from different computers. * Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared
On 2011/10/25 14:52, Duane Baker wrote: A good reason not to use Dropbox? Not really. Dropbox is fine so long as you don't try and edit what it happens to be working with at the same time. Store your FDB files in one place, create backups in the Dropbox folder. From my experience, this scenario doesn't cause any problems. Also, remember that from Vista onwards, Windows tends to create ZIP files i.e. backups, as folders. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared
A very big thank you to all who have helped me straighten this out, especially Dennis and Brian for his instructions on restoring my file (which I've now done) and Mike for his comment remember that from Vista onwards, Windows tends to create ZIP files i.e. backups, as folders. I think this was the root of the problem, I've had experience in the past unzipping files but going from XP to Windows 7, I think I was lulled into a different mindset by seeing the .fdb sitting out there in the open in the zip folder and thinking I could just use it. I had accidently closed my working file and opened the one in the zip folder when prompted for which to open. I also still believe Dropbox to be a good option and certainly didn't mean to sound like I was putting it down, I think now it was my inexperience and a coincidence that all this started at the same time. I am still not entirely clear on Dropbox but stop me if this is not the place to ask the next (I know we are only supposed to be discussing Legacy): At the moment I have everything in the C: drive Legacy folders as suggested by Dennis and Brian and set to open from that location. *if* I went back to using dropbox, would I need to have the working .fdb in the dropbox folder and direct the set Starting Family File to Always open this file to open the dropbox .fdb ? I can understand using dropbox as a safe off-site place to store zipped backups, but if you wanted to be able to access your current Legacy file from both PC and laptop (not both at the same time, I get that) you would need the working .fdb to be stored and opening from dropbox, have I got that right? Erica Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared
Yes, I think you have that right. I have been doing this for some time. Some do not like this approach as it causes problems IF you open the same file on different computers at the same time (which I must confess I have done). That is my only problem with this approach. On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Erica Portelli tan...@optusnet.com.auwrote: A very big thank you to all who have helped me straighten this out, especially Dennis and Brian for his instructions on restoring my file (which I've now done) and Mike for his comment remember that from Vista onwards, Windows tends to create ZIP files i.e. backups, as folders. I think this was the root of the problem, I've had experience in the past unzipping files but going from XP to Windows 7, I think I was lulled into a different mindset by seeing the .fdb sitting out there in the open in the zip folder and thinking I could just use it. I had accidently closed my working file and opened the one in the zip folder when prompted for which to open. I also still believe Dropbox to be a good option and certainly didn't mean to sound like I was putting it down, I think now it was my inexperience and a coincidence that all this started at the same time. I am still not entirely clear on Dropbox but stop me if this is not the place to ask the next (I know we are only supposed to be discussing Legacy): At the moment I have everything in the C: drive Legacy folders as suggested by Dennis and Brian and set to open from that location. *if* I went back to using dropbox, would I need to have the working .fdb in the dropbox folder and direct the set Starting Family File to Always open this file to open the dropbox .fdb ? I can understand using dropbox as a safe off-site place to store zipped backups, but if you wanted to be able to access your current Legacy file from both PC and laptop (not both at the same time, I get that) you would need the working .fdb to be stored and opening from dropbox, have I got that right? Erica Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Legacy fdb in Dropbox was RE: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared
Erica, Since this is still about using Legacy, I hope it will be ruled on topic Your last line said I can understand using dropbox as a safe off-site place to store zipped backups, but if you wanted to be able to access your current Legacy file from both PC and laptop (not both at the same time, I get that) you would need the working .fdb to be stored and opening from dropbox, have I got that right? Yes, this is essentially correct. However, to be precise, you put the .fdb file in the Dropbox folder on your local PC, and while you are using Legacy you are still interacting with your local PC. Only when you close Legacy will the updated fdb file be uploaded to the Dropbox website for 1) backup, and 2) synchronization with other computers if you choose. And, yes it is very important not only to use Legacy on one computer at a time, one must allow Dropbox to sync files after booting up the computer before opening Legacy, or you could still get conflicted files. All I did was move my Legacy Data folder to Dropbox, I left everything else in C:\Legacy. Paul Gray -Original Message- From: Erica Portelli [mailto:tan...@optusnet.com.au] Sent: October-25-11 4:00 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared
Hi Alan Have just replied to Ron so won't repeat it all again but in answer to you, I wasn't using the family search interface, I was reading from jpgs on Ancestry and typing the transcription into the notes field on legacy - no RAID0 on the laptop. (I just had to google to find out what it was!) I'll just take things slower and keep an eye on it (and lots of saves and backups) If it happens again I'll contact tech support Thanks Erica -Original Message- From: Alan Pereira [mailto:alanpere...@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, 23 October 2011 11:00 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared Erica, I had this problem when using the New Family Search Interface, although I am not so sure this was the only culprit. I also use Windows 7 64 bit and my laptop is RAID0. Do any of these provide other common featrures for losing data? Alan Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared
On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:30:23 +1100, Erica Portelli tan...@optusnet.com.au wrote: By coincidence when the first incident happened a week ago I had just started to use Dropbox as a backup after hearing so many good reports. I'm wondering if this is somehow connected as I've never had this problem before. Exactly HOW are you using DropBox as a backup? After closing Legacy, are you copying the .fdb file to your DropBox folder? That is how I would do it. When I look at the general info box, it tells me my family file path is: C:\Users\Tom Erica\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\ATZK0IED\ALL-family-current-OCT[1].fdb This does not look good. *** I think you are causing your own problems, but without more details I cannot say for sure. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools/Custom Programming) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools/index.htm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools NOTE TO LUG USERS: Use plain text if you want me to read your post. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared
Erica, What happens with Dropbox should have no effect on on your Legacy Database. As you enter enter data into Legacy Legacy's own database, on your PC, is automatically updated, and, at least in theory, this can only be lost if overwritten by a previous version, or say, a shut down caused by a power failure spike - hence the need for spike protection! I thought that the same had happened to me the other day, but I realised that in a moment of confusion I had overwritten with an older version. Fortunately I only lost two records. It does send a message about the need for regular backups whilst one is working. Sorry, but I cannot offer an explanation for your problem. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Erica Portelli Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 12:30 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared I was looking at electoral rolls on Ancestry last night and entering names addresses occupations etc into my Legacy research notes of various members of the same family, intending to later go over each one and enter this information in their events fields. Suddenly the most recent (probably the last hour of work) disappeared, the earlier notes from the first couple of hours is still there, but nothing I added towards the end. The notes field for 3 family members are totally blank and I know I had entered information there. This seemed to happen as I clicked between general and research notes fields. It may also have happened a week ago but at the time I put it down to being overtired and thinking I was looking at the wrong person, but now I am sure this has happened before. By coincidence when the first incident happened a week ago I had just started to use Dropbox as a backup after hearing so many good reports. I'm wondering if this is somehow connected as I've never had this problem before. When I save each entry before moving to another screen, does this 'save' go to Dropbox or to my temporary folder When I look at the general info box, it tells me my family file path is: C:\Users\Tom Erica\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\ATZK0IED\ALL-family-current-OCT[1].fdb Is this something to do with the internet connection to Dropbox - I'm not a computer wiz but it looks to me that the file I'm relying on to open each time I open Legacy, is likely to go if I do a clean up on my computer and delete any temporary files. On the scale of things, the missing notes are not a huge problem, I can backtrack to see what is missing, but would like to know if it is a problem with my programme that I should report as I would not like it to continue. I'm also thinking that for the sake of being able to sit with my laptop in a comfy chair may not have been worth Dropbox even though I do love the concept, I might go back to the USB backups. BTW I have the latest Legacy 7.5.0.112 and am running Windows 7 -64 bit. TIA Erica Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared
Erica, I had this problem when using the New Family Search Interface, although I am not so sure this was the only culprit. I also use Windows 7 64 bit and my laptop is RAID0. Do any of these provide other common featrures for losing data? Alan -Original Message- From: Erica Portelli [mailto:tan...@optusnet.com.au] Sent: 23 October 2011 00:30 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared I was looking at electoral rolls on Ancestry last night and entering names addresses occupations etc into my Legacy research notes of various members of the same family, intending to later go over each one and enter this information in their events fields. Suddenly the most recent (probably the last hour of work) disappeared, the earlier notes from the first couple of hours is still there, but nothing I added towards the end. The notes field for 3 family members are totally blank and I know I had entered information there. This seemed to happen as I clicked between general and research notes fields. It may also have happened a week ago but at the time I put it down to being overtired and thinking I was looking at the wrong person, but now I am sure this has happened before. By coincidence when the first incident happened a week ago I had just started to use Dropbox as a backup after hearing so many good reports. I'm wondering if this is somehow connected as I've never had this problem before. When I save each entry before moving to another screen, does this 'save' go to Dropbox or to my temporary folder When I look at the general info box, it tells me my family file path is: C:\Users\Tom Erica\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\ATZK0IED\ALL-family-current-OCT[1].fdb Is this something to do with the internet connection to Dropbox - I'm not a computer wiz but it looks to me that the file I'm relying on to open each time I open Legacy, is likely to go if I do a clean up on my computer and delete any temporary files. On the scale of things, the missing notes are not a huge problem, I can backtrack to see what is missing, but would like to know if it is a problem with my programme that I should report as I would not like it to continue. I'm also thinking that for the sake of being able to sit with my laptop in a comfy chair may not have been worth Dropbox even though I do love the concept, I might go back to the USB backups. BTW I have the latest Legacy 7.5.0.112 and am running Windows 7 -64 bit. TIA Erica Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared
I was looking at electoral rolls on Ancestry last night and entering names addresses occupations etc into my Legacy research notes of various members of the same family, intending to later go over each one and enter this information in their events fields. Suddenly the most recent (probably the last hour of work) disappeared, the earlier notes from the first couple of hours is still there, but nothing I added towards the end. The notes field for 3 family members are totally blank and I know I had entered information there. This seemed to happen as I clicked between general and research notes fields. It may also have happened a week ago but at the time I put it down to being overtired and thinking I was looking at the wrong person, but now I am sure this has happened before. By coincidence when the first incident happened a week ago I had just started to use Dropbox as a backup after hearing so many good reports. I'm wondering if this is somehow connected as I've never had this problem before. When I save each entry before moving to another screen, does this 'save' go to Dropbox or to my temporary folder When I look at the general info box, it tells me my family file path is: C:\Users\Tom Erica\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\ATZK0IED\ALL-family-current-OCT[1].fdb Is this something to do with the internet connection to Dropbox - I'm not a computer wiz but it looks to me that the file I'm relying on to open each time I open Legacy, is likely to go if I do a clean up on my computer and delete any temporary files. On the scale of things, the missing notes are not a huge problem, I can backtrack to see what is missing, but would like to know if it is a problem with my programme that I should report as I would not like it to continue. I'm also thinking that for the sake of being able to sit with my laptop in a comfy chair may not have been worth Dropbox even though I do love the concept, I might go back to the USB backups. BTW I have the latest Legacy 7.5.0.112 and am running Windows 7 -64 bit. TIA Erica Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
