Re: [lfs-support] TLDP LFS Guide

2013-11-29 Thread Bruce Dubbs
lfs-support.neophyte_...@ordinaryamerican.net wrote:
> I've started trying to use LFS 7.4.
>
> As usual with these things, I took a tangent and went looking for Internet
> references outside of www.LinuxFromScratch.org.
>
> Does anyone within the LFS project maintain The Linux Documentation Project
> LFS Guide, http://www.tldp.org/guides.html#lfs or is that done by someone
> attached to TLDP? TLDP's information is out-of-date. It refers to version
> 6.1.1.

That reference *is* the book as it was written for LFS 6.1.1.  I once 
tried to get them to list BLFS (I think around 2005), but they got too 
fussy about the license.  I didn't see the value.  A lot of their stuff 
is quite out of date.

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[lfs-support] TLDP LFS Guide

2013-11-29 Thread lfs-support . neophyte_rep
I've started trying to use LFS 7.4.

As usual with these things, I took a tangent and went looking for Internet
references outside of www.LinuxFromScratch.org.

Does anyone within the LFS project maintain The Linux Documentation Project
LFS Guide, http://www.tldp.org/guides.html#lfs or is that done by someone
attached to TLDP? TLDP's information is out-of-date. It refers to version
6.1.1.

TIA,
NeoPhyte_Rep
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Re: [lfs-support] LFS-7.4

2013-11-29 Thread Baho Utot

On 11/29/2013 07:23 PM, Ken Moffat wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 11:35:19AM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote:
>> Baho Utot wrote:
>>> Is it possible to build LFS-7.4 on x86_64 without the /lib64 symlink?
>>>
>>> I have tried to do so but libstd++ in the chapter 5 tool chain dies.
>>>
>>> I would like to build for x86_64 and have the same filesystem layout
>>> that i686 has ie without the lib64 directories
>> I really don't know but I can make some guesses.  uname --machine gives
>> x86_64.  I wouldn't be suprised if some packages that assume a multilib
>> system use that value to insist on /lib64  or /usr/lib64.
>>
>> -- Bruce
>   Cross-LFS has always done that for pure64.  It's a _long_ while
> since I last built clfs x86_64-64 and many things have changed, but
> the main difference is that clfs still uses a specfile - their build
> is now quite different from how LFS has evolved.
>
>   If you do something like that, then yes, a few _blfs_ packages will
> probably get confused by the absence of /lib64.  OTOH, you would get
> a nice clean system - but the build for x86_64 will be somewhat
> different from what is currently in LFS.
>
>   I've a feeling that someone, perhaps our late colleague Andy, used
> to build 64-bit LFS without the symlink - but I've no idea of the
> details about how to do it (and that was before libstdc++ and g++
> became required for building gcc, so the details would have to change
> for gcc-4.8).
>
>   This message will self-destruct in 5 seconds.
>
> ĸen

The following packages are the only ones I have found ( in Chapter 5 ) 
that either puts something into or requires /lib64

binutils-pass-1
gcc-pass-1
libstdc++
binutils-pass-2
gcc-pass-2

I have not gotten to chapter 6

I have just downloaded clfs and I am building the books now.  Once that 
completes I will have a look at that to see how the x86_64 pure 64 bit 
system is built.  It looks like ( I could be wrong ) the /lib64 and 
/usr/lib64 are not used there.



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Re: [lfs-support] LFS-7.4

2013-11-29 Thread Ken Moffat
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 11:35:19AM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote:
> Baho Utot wrote:
> > Is it possible to build LFS-7.4 on x86_64 without the /lib64 symlink?
> >
> > I have tried to do so but libstd++ in the chapter 5 tool chain dies.
> >
> > I would like to build for x86_64 and have the same filesystem layout
> > that i686 has ie without the lib64 directories
> 
> I really don't know but I can make some guesses.  uname --machine gives
> x86_64.  I wouldn't be suprised if some packages that assume a multilib 
> system use that value to insist on /lib64  or /usr/lib64.
> 
>-- Bruce

 Cross-LFS has always done that for pure64.  It's a _long_ while
since I last built clfs x86_64-64 and many things have changed, but
the main difference is that clfs still uses a specfile - their build
is now quite different from how LFS has evolved.

 If you do something like that, then yes, a few _blfs_ packages will
probably get confused by the absence of /lib64.  OTOH, you would get
a nice clean system - but the build for x86_64 will be somewhat
different from what is currently in LFS.

 I've a feeling that someone, perhaps our late colleague Andy, used
to build 64-bit LFS without the symlink - but I've no idea of the
details about how to do it (and that was before libstdc++ and g++
became required for building gcc, so the details would have to change
for gcc-4.8).

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Re: [lfs-support] Host System Requirements LFS 7.4 with Mageia 3

2013-11-29 Thread Walter P. Little
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:55 AM,  wrote:

>  On 2013-11-29 18:26, Bruce Dubbs wrote:
>
> alex@xfsmail.comwrote:
>
> My real point is this one. Bash-3.2 (/bin/sh should be a symbolic or hard
> link to bash) I think maybe it means /bin/sh should be /bin/bash ( /bin/sh
> -> /bin/bash) but mine is ( /bin/sh -> /usr/bin/bash ). ( /bin/sh ->
> /bin/bash ) = ( /bin/sh -> /usr/bin/bash ) are they same?
>
> The normal place for bash is /bin because in the case of a separate /usr
> partition it will not be available.  A separate /usr partition is very
> rare because disk drives are quite large and is not needed.
>
> What you have should work fine with regards to bash.
>
>-- Bruce
>
>  Sorry I not really understand that Bruce, alright this is more clear.
>
>
> The requirement is ( /bin/bash ) but I have ( /usr/bin/bash ).
> Can I use ( /usr/bin/bash ) ?
> or I should change it to ( /bin/bash ) ?
>

/usr/bin/bash should be ok as long as /bin/sh points to it

>
> I still get no clue on search engines, maybe there is command to change it
> ? Any help please!
>
> # ALEX #
>
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Re: [lfs-support] lfs 7.4 / Section 6 - Building the LFS System as sudo?

2013-11-29 Thread Walter P. Little
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:56 AM, frozen tuesday
wrote:

> Hello all --
>
> Thanks to the help I have received here or elsewhere, I have made it as
> far as section III in the online instructions: "Building the LFS System".
>
> I am using Linux Mint 15 as my host computer which only allows me to
> "sudo" before commands. I cannot log in as root (to my knowledge).
>

Does "sudo bash" work to get you logged in as root?  That is my typical way
to get around systems that don't allow a direct root login


> The instructions at the end of section 5 state:
>
> "The commands in the remainder of this book must be performed while logged
> in as user root and no longer as user lfs. Also, double check that $LFSis set 
> in
> root's environment."
>
> Is it sufficient to sudo before every command in the rest of the book, or
> do I need to find a way to log in as the user "root"?
>
> Thanks.
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Re: [lfs-support] lfs 7.4 / Section 6 - Building the LFS System as sudo?

2013-11-29 Thread Douglas R. Reno
Hello,

On Ubuntu and Mint, I found out that if you run:

sudo passwd root

And set the password, you can run "su - root" and login as root. I do this
as one of the first things when setting up a Ubuntu or Mint system because
I cannot stand sudo.

Hope this helps!

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Re: [lfs-support] lfs 7.4 / Section 6 - Building the LFS System as sudo?

2013-11-29 Thread Chris Staub
On 11/29/2013 01:56 PM, frozen tuesday wrote:
> Hello all --
>
> Thanks to the help I have received here or elsewhere, I have made it as
> far as section III in the online instructions: "Building the LFS System".
>
> I am using Linux Mint 15 as my host computer which only allows me to
> "sudo" before commands. I cannot log in as root (to my knowledge). The
> instructions at the end of section 5 state:
>
> "The commands in the remainder of this book must be performed while
> logged in as user |root| and no longer as user |lfs|. Also, double check
> that |$LFS| is set in |root|'s environment."
>
> Is it sufficient to sudo before every command in the rest of the book,
> or do I need to find a way to log in as the user "root"?
>
> Thanks.

You stay root anyway as long as you're in the chroot.

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[lfs-support] lfs 7.4 / Section 6 - Building the LFS System as sudo?

2013-11-29 Thread frozen tuesday
Hello all --

Thanks to the help I have received here or elsewhere, I have made it as far
as section III in the online instructions: "Building the LFS System".

I am using Linux Mint 15 as my host computer which only allows me to "sudo"
before commands. I cannot log in as root (to my knowledge). The
instructions at the end of section 5 state:

"The commands in the remainder of this book must be performed while logged
in as user root and no longer as user lfs. Also, double check that $LFS is
set in root's environment."

Is it sufficient to sudo before every command in the rest of the book, or
do I need to find a way to log in as the user "root"?

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Re: [lfs-support] Host System Requirements LFS 7.4 with Mageia 3

2013-11-29 Thread alex
 

On 2013-11-29 18:26, Bruce Dubbs wrote: 

> alex@xfsmail.comwrote:
>

>> My real point is this one. Bash-3.2 (/bin/sh should be a symbolic or
hard link to bash) I think maybe it means /bin/sh should be /bin/bash (
/bin/sh -> /bin/bash) but mine is ( /bin/sh -> /usr/bin/bash ). (
/bin/sh -> /bin/bash ) = ( /bin/sh -> /usr/bin/bash ) are they same?
>

> The normal place for bash is /bin because in the case of a separate
/usr 
> partition it will not be available. A separate /usr partition is
very 
> rare because disk drives are quite large and is not needed.
> 
>
What you have should work fine with regards to bash.
> 
> --
Bruce

Sorry I not really understand that Bruce, alright this is more
clear. 

The requirement is ( /bin/bash ) but I have ( /usr/bin/bash
).
Can I use ( /usr/bin/bash ) ?
or I should change it to ( /bin/bash )
?

I still get no clue on search engines, maybe there is command to
change it ? Any help please! 

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Re: [lfs-support] Host System Requirements LFS 7.4 with Mageia 3

2013-11-29 Thread alex
 

On 2013-11-29 17:59, lf...@cruziero.com wrote: 

> Your binutils
version is later than the max-recommended in the book's 
>
host-sys-requirements ('7.4/prologue/hostreqs.html'):
> "Binutils-2.17
(Versions greater than 2.23.2 are not recommended as they have 
> not
been tested)"
> 
> However, we here have just recently built a few
(partly-)lfs74-based systems 
> with a similar
'greater-than-max-recommended' versions in host-os for binutils 
> and
gcc (and iirc one or two more core parts), and all was well; (although
they 
> were quite heavily-customised builds, the toolchain part
(chapter-5) was 
> more-or-less 100% by-the-book).
> 
> hth,
> akh
>
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ago and maybe I will go back to Debian later. Thank you for letting me
know about it. 

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Re: [lfs-support] Host System Requirements LFS 7.4 with Mageia 3

2013-11-29 Thread Bruce Dubbs
a...@xfsmail.com wrote:

> My real point is this one.
> Bash-3.2 (/bin/sh should be a symbolic or hard link
> to bash) I think maybe it means /bin/sh should be /bin/bash ( /bin/sh ->
> /bin/bash) but mine is ( /bin/sh -> /usr/bin/bash ).
> ( /bin/sh -> /bin/bash ) = ( /bin/sh -> /usr/bin/bash ) are they same?

The normal place for bash is /bin because in the case of a separate /usr 
partition it will not be available.  A separate /usr partition is very 
rare because disk drives are quite large and is not needed.

What you have should work fine with regards to bash.

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Re: [lfs-support] Host System Requirements LFS 7.4 with Mageia 3

2013-11-29 Thread alex
 

On 2013-11-29 17:52, Bruce Dubbs wrote: 

> alex@xfsmail.comwrote:
>

>> Hi all, I'm still new for LFS, I'm going too try it. I'm with Mageia
3 and this is on the host  bash, version
4.2.37(2)-release /bin/sh -> /usr/bin/bash Binutils: (Linux/GNU
Binutils) 2.23.51.0.8.20121218 bison (GNU Bison) 2.7 /usr/bin/yacc ->
/usr/bin/yacc.bison bzip2, Version 1.0.6, 6-Sept-2010. Coreutils: 8.20
diff (GNU diffutils) 3.2 find (GNU findutils) 4.5.10 GNU Awk 4.0.2
/usr/bin/awk -> /usr/bin/gawk gcc (GCC) 4.7.2 g++ (GCC) 4.7.2 (GNU libc)
2.17 grep (GNU grep) 2.14 gzip 1.5 Linux version
3.8.13-desktop586-1.mga3 (i...@jonund.mageia.org) (gcc version 4.7.2
(GCC) ) #1 SMP Tue May 14 19:06:27 UTC 2013 m4 (GNU M4) 1.4.16
version-check.sh: line 29: make: command not found GNU patch 2.7.1 Perl
version='5.16.3'; sed (GNU sed) 4.2.2 tar (GNU tar) 1.26 Texinfo:
makeinfo (GNU texinfo) 4.13 xz (XZ Utils) 5.1.2alpha g++ compilation OK
 Is my Mageia 3 ready for LFS 7.4 ?
> 
> Not without
make.
> 
> -- Bruce

Sorry about "make" my eyes are not careful.
My real
point is this one.
Bash-3.2 (/bin/sh should be a symbolic or hard link
to bash) I think maybe it means /bin/sh should be /bin/bash ( /bin/sh ->
/bin/bash) but mine is ( /bin/sh -> /usr/bin/bash ).
( /bin/sh ->
/bin/bash ) = ( /bin/sh -> /usr/bin/bash ) are they same?

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Re: [lfs-support] Host System Requirements LFS 7.4 with Mageia 3

2013-11-29 Thread Fernando de Oliveira
Em 29-11-2013 14:52, Bruce Dubbs escreveu:
> a...@xfsmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi all, I'm still new for LFS, I'm going too try it.
>>
>> I'm with
>> Mageia 3 and this is on the host
>>
>> 
>>
>> bash,
>> version 4.2.37(2)-release
>> /bin/sh -> /usr/bin/bash
>> Binutils: (Linux/GNU
>> Binutils) 2.23.51.0.8.20121218
>> bison (GNU Bison) 2.7
>> /usr/bin/yacc ->
>> /usr/bin/yacc.bison
>> bzip2, Version 1.0.6, 6-Sept-2010.
>> Coreutils:
>> 8.20
>> diff (GNU diffutils) 3.2
>> find (GNU findutils) 4.5.10
>> GNU Awk
>> 4.0.2
>> /usr/bin/awk -> /usr/bin/gawk
>> gcc (GCC) 4.7.2
>> g++ (GCC) 4.7.2
>> (GNU
>> libc) 2.17
>> grep (GNU grep) 2.14
>> gzip 1.5
>> Linux version
>> 3.8.13-desktop586-1.mga3 (i...@jonund.mageia.org) (gcc version 4.7.2
>> (GCC) ) #1 SMP Tue May 14 19:06:27 UTC 2013
>> m4 (GNU M4)
>> 1.4.16
>> version-check.sh: line 29: make: command not found
>> GNU patch
>> 2.7.1
>> Perl version='5.16.3';
>> sed (GNU sed) 4.2.2
>> tar (GNU tar)
>> 1.26
>> Texinfo: makeinfo (GNU texinfo) 4.13
>> xz (XZ Utils) 5.1.2alpha
>> g++
>> compilation OK
>> 
>>
>> Is my Mageia 3 ready for LFS 7.4 ?
> 
> Not without make.
> 
>-- Bruce
> 

I have GNU Make 3.82 in Mageia 3, but do not remember if installed it
for vmware-tools. Anyway, it is in the graphics interface for
installing/removing programs, just search "make" and install, if it is
not already installed.

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Re: [lfs-support] Host System Requirements LFS 7.4 with Mageia 3

2013-11-29 Thread akhiezer
> Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 17:47:23 +
> From: a...@xfsmail.com
> To: 
> Subject: [lfs-support] Host System Requirements LFS 7.4 with Mageia 3
>
> Hi all, I'm still new for LFS, I'm going too try it. 
>
> I'm with
> Mageia 3 and this is on the host 
>
>  
>
> bash,
> version 4.2.37(2)-release
> /bin/sh -> /usr/bin/bash
> Binutils: (Linux/GNU
> Binutils) 2.23.51.0.8.20121218


Your binutils version is later than the max-recommended in the book's 
host-sys-requirements ('7.4/prologue/hostreqs.html'):
"Binutils-2.17 (Versions greater than 2.23.2 are not recommended as they have 
not been tested)"

However, we here have just recently built a few (partly-)lfs74-based systems 
with a similar 'greater-than-max-recommended' versions in host-os for binutils 
and gcc (and iirc one or two more core parts), and all was well; (although they 
were quite heavily-customised builds, the toolchain part (chapter-5) was 
more-or-less 100% by-the-book).


hth,
akh


> bison (GNU Bison) 2.7
> /usr/bin/yacc ->
> /usr/bin/yacc.bison
> bzip2, Version 1.0.6, 6-Sept-2010.
> Coreutils:
> 8.20
> diff (GNU diffutils) 3.2
> find (GNU findutils) 4.5.10
> GNU Awk
> 4.0.2
> /usr/bin/awk -> /usr/bin/gawk
> gcc (GCC) 4.7.2
> g++ (GCC) 4.7.2
> (GNU
> libc) 2.17
> grep (GNU grep) 2.14
> gzip 1.5
> Linux version
> 3.8.13-desktop586-1.mga3 (i...@jonund.mageia.org) (gcc version 4.7.2
> (GCC) ) #1 SMP Tue May 14 19:06:27 UTC 2013
> m4 (GNU M4)
> 1.4.16
> version-check.sh: line 29: make: command not found
> GNU patch
> 2.7.1
> Perl version='5.16.3';
> sed (GNU sed) 4.2.2
> tar (GNU tar)
> 1.26
> Texinfo: makeinfo (GNU texinfo) 4.13
> xz (XZ Utils) 5.1.2alpha
> g++
> compilation OK
>  
>
> Is my Mageia 3 ready for LFS 7.4 ?
>
>
> # ALEX # 
>  


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Re: [lfs-support] Host System Requirements LFS 7.4 with Mageia 3

2013-11-29 Thread akhiezer
> Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 17:47:23 +
> From: a...@xfsmail.com
> To: 
> Subject: [lfs-support] Host System Requirements LFS 7.4 with Mageia 3
>
> Hi all, I'm still new for LFS, I'm going too try it. 
>
> I'm with
> Mageia 3 and this is on the host 
>
>  
>
> bash,
> version 4.2.37(2)-release
> /bin/sh -> /usr/bin/bash
> Binutils: (Linux/GNU
> Binutils) 2.23.51.0.8.20121218
> bison (GNU Bison) 2.7
> /usr/bin/yacc ->
> /usr/bin/yacc.bison
> bzip2, Version 1.0.6, 6-Sept-2010.
> Coreutils:
> 8.20
> diff (GNU diffutils) 3.2
> find (GNU findutils) 4.5.10
> GNU Awk
> 4.0.2
> /usr/bin/awk -> /usr/bin/gawk
> gcc (GCC) 4.7.2
> g++ (GCC) 4.7.2
> (GNU
> libc) 2.17
> grep (GNU grep) 2.14
> gzip 1.5
> Linux version
> 3.8.13-desktop586-1.mga3 (i...@jonund.mageia.org) (gcc version 4.7.2
> (GCC) ) #1 SMP Tue May 14 19:06:27 UTC 2013
> m4 (GNU M4)
> 1.4.16
> version-check.sh: line 29: make: command not found
> GNU patch
> 2.7.1
> Perl version='5.16.3';
> sed (GNU sed) 4.2.2
> tar (GNU tar)
> 1.26
> Texinfo: makeinfo (GNU texinfo) 4.13
> xz (XZ Utils) 5.1.2alpha
> g++
> compilation OK
>  
>
> Is my Mageia 3 ready for LFS 7.4 ?
>
>
> # ALEX # 
>  

 - an initial glance-over flags up the "version-check.sh: line 29: make: 
command 
not found" : have you got 'make' installed?

Haven't checked your output beyond that.


rgds,
akh




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Re: [lfs-support] Host System Requirements LFS 7.4 with Mageia 3

2013-11-29 Thread Bruce Dubbs
a...@xfsmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Hi all, I'm still new for LFS, I'm going too try it.
>
> I'm with
> Mageia 3 and this is on the host
>
> 
>
> bash,
> version 4.2.37(2)-release
> /bin/sh -> /usr/bin/bash
> Binutils: (Linux/GNU
> Binutils) 2.23.51.0.8.20121218
> bison (GNU Bison) 2.7
> /usr/bin/yacc ->
> /usr/bin/yacc.bison
> bzip2, Version 1.0.6, 6-Sept-2010.
> Coreutils:
> 8.20
> diff (GNU diffutils) 3.2
> find (GNU findutils) 4.5.10
> GNU Awk
> 4.0.2
> /usr/bin/awk -> /usr/bin/gawk
> gcc (GCC) 4.7.2
> g++ (GCC) 4.7.2
> (GNU
> libc) 2.17
> grep (GNU grep) 2.14
> gzip 1.5
> Linux version
> 3.8.13-desktop586-1.mga3 (i...@jonund.mageia.org) (gcc version 4.7.2
> (GCC) ) #1 SMP Tue May 14 19:06:27 UTC 2013
> m4 (GNU M4)
> 1.4.16
> version-check.sh: line 29: make: command not found
> GNU patch
> 2.7.1
> Perl version='5.16.3';
> sed (GNU sed) 4.2.2
> tar (GNU tar)
> 1.26
> Texinfo: makeinfo (GNU texinfo) 4.13
> xz (XZ Utils) 5.1.2alpha
> g++
> compilation OK
> 
>
> Is my Mageia 3 ready for LFS 7.4 ?

Not without make.

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Re: [lfs-support] Host System Requirements LFS 7.4 with Mageia 3

2013-11-29 Thread Denis Mugnier
Hello

Le 29/11/2013 18:47, a...@xfsmail.com a écrit :
> version-check.sh: line 29: make: command not found
I think that the make command must be install.

So your Mageia is not ready for LFS 7.4, and you ? are you ready to read 
the book and your screen ?

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[lfs-support] Host System Requirements LFS 7.4 with Mageia 3

2013-11-29 Thread alex
 

Hi all, I'm still new for LFS, I'm going too try it. 

I'm with
Mageia 3 and this is on the host 

 

bash,
version 4.2.37(2)-release
/bin/sh -> /usr/bin/bash
Binutils: (Linux/GNU
Binutils) 2.23.51.0.8.20121218
bison (GNU Bison) 2.7
/usr/bin/yacc ->
/usr/bin/yacc.bison
bzip2, Version 1.0.6, 6-Sept-2010.
Coreutils:
8.20
diff (GNU diffutils) 3.2
find (GNU findutils) 4.5.10
GNU Awk
4.0.2
/usr/bin/awk -> /usr/bin/gawk
gcc (GCC) 4.7.2
g++ (GCC) 4.7.2
(GNU
libc) 2.17
grep (GNU grep) 2.14
gzip 1.5
Linux version
3.8.13-desktop586-1.mga3 (i...@jonund.mageia.org) (gcc version 4.7.2
(GCC) ) #1 SMP Tue May 14 19:06:27 UTC 2013
m4 (GNU M4)
1.4.16
version-check.sh: line 29: make: command not found
GNU patch
2.7.1
Perl version='5.16.3';
sed (GNU sed) 4.2.2
tar (GNU tar)
1.26
Texinfo: makeinfo (GNU texinfo) 4.13
xz (XZ Utils) 5.1.2alpha
g++
compilation OK
 

Is my Mageia 3 ready for LFS 7.4 ?


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Re: [lfs-support] LFS-7.4

2013-11-29 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Baho Utot wrote:
> Is it possible to build LFS-7.4 on x86_64 without the /lib64 symlink?
>
> I have tried to do so but libstd++ in the chapter 5 tool chain dies.
>
> I would like to build for x86_64 and have the same filesystem layout
> that i686 has ie without the lib64 directories

I really don't know but I can make some guesses.  uname --machine gives
x86_64.  I wouldn't be suprised if some packages that assume a multilib 
system use that value to insist on /lib64  or /usr/lib64.

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[lfs-support] LFS-7.4

2013-11-29 Thread Baho Utot
Is it possible to build LFS-7.4 on x86_64 without the /lib64 symlink?

I have tried to do so but libstd++ in the chapter 5 tool chain dies.

I would like to build for x86_64 and have the same filesystem layout 
that i686 has ie without the lib64 directories


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Re: [lfs-support] Ethernet Card Not Found

2013-11-29 Thread akhiezer
> From: Simon Geard 
> To: lfs-support@linuxfromscratch.org
> Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 21:23:05 +1300
> Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Ethernet Card Not Found
>
> On Thu, 2013-11-28 at 10:28 +, akhiezer wrote:
> > You're expending resources to try to persuade people that there's no issue 
> > here.
>
> I'm not trying to persuade anyone anything... I'm trying to understand
> why this is considered such an important thing, why it comes up again
> and again as a source of anger and frustration. In fifteen years of
> using Linux, I've seen few developments attract such heated reaction
> (the only one that comes to mind was Mono)- and I don't understand why
> that's the case.
>


When you use terms like 'melodrama', then you _are_ trying to persuade people 
of a position - howevermuch-inadvertently (e.g. if you're not understanding 
the import of the words that you're using: and if you _are_ understanding said 
import, then, again, spare us the attempted disingenuity of such posts that are 
then followed by attempted step-back disclaimers like your post above).


rgds,
akhiezer



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Re: [lfs-support] Ethernet Card Not Found

2013-11-29 Thread Simon Geard
On Thu, 2013-11-28 at 10:28 +, akhiezer wrote:
> You're expending resources to try to persuade people that there's no issue 
> here.

I'm not trying to persuade anyone anything... I'm trying to understand
why this is considered such an important thing, why it comes up again
and again as a source of anger and frustration. In fifteen years of
using Linux, I've seen few developments attract such heated reaction
(the only one that comes to mind was Mono)- and I don't understand why
that's the case.

Simon.

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