Re: [lfs-support] Newbie need help - bus error in 5.5. GCC-4.8.1 - Pass 1

[Viola Zoltán]

I tryed now: delete all from /tools, all unpacked sources, begin at first
with compile of binutils. That suceeded. Then, I continued the process with
compile of gcc. Sorry, nothing change, it give me the error message written
above.

Today afternoon I should install the unlike ubuntu (exact/distinctly
lubuntu) and try it again...


2013/10/24 Pierre Labastie pierre.labas...@neuf.fr

 Le 23/10/2013 23:49, Viola Zoltán a écrit :
  @akhiezer:
 
  I tryed:
 
  CFLAGS=-O2 -g make
 
  but no changed:

 Hi Viola,

 What I told about the LFS_TGT variable is important. I've seen that you
 have changed it in your 'printenv' output, but have you recompiled
 binutils with this new setting?
 If not, you are in a mixed native-croscompile setting, which cannot be
 expected to work...

 For the host distro I use, it is debian 7.0. I've also tried recent
 Arch, various Ubuntu's, Fedora's, and Suse's, all of them allowed to
 build LFS.

 Regards
 Pierre

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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie need help - bus error in 5.5. GCC-4.8.1 - Pass 1

[Pierre Labastie]

Le 22/10/2013 23:31, Viola Zoltán a écrit :

 lfs@Csiszilla ~ $ cat .bashrc
 set +h
 umask 022
 LFS=/Mount/Simplicity
 LC_ALL=POSIX
 LFS_TGT=$(uname -m)-pc-linux-gnu
Should be :

|LFS_TGT=$(uname -m)-lfs-linux-gnu

See section 4.4 and 5.2 for why.
|

 PATH=/tools/bin:/bin:/usr/bin
 export LFS LC_ALL LFS_TGT PATH
 alias mc='. /usr/libexec/mc/mc-wrapper.sh'
The last line is not from the book. I do not think it is related to the 
described failure, though, but who knows?
If you are really a newbie, try to follow exactly the book.

Regards
Pierre


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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie need help - bus error in 5.5. GCC-4.8.1 - Pass 1

[akhiezer]

 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 19:41:24 -0400
 From: Viola Zoltán violaz...@gmail.com
 To: LFS Support List lfs-support@linuxfromscratch.org
 Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Newbie need help - bus error in 5.5. GCC-4.8.1 -
  Pass 1



 Excuse me, I am very newbie and very idiotic... I tryed it:

 CFLAGS=-fno-exceptions -fno-rtti; make

 CFLAGS=--fno-exceptions --fno-rtti; make

 but nothing changed, the compile not succeeded, same error message...



 - shouldn't that be:

  CFLAGS=-fno-exceptions -fno-rtti make

 - i.e. without the semi-colon (';') ; and normally just use the single-dash 
('-') 
format for those options (i.e. '-f...' instead of '--f...')  .

(Also, fwiw, for a make command-line I'd normally put such variables _after_ 
the 
'make': make [ -f makefile ] [ options ] ... [ targets ] ... ).


hth
akh

p.s. also try to avoid top-posting.





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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie need help - bus error in 5.5. GCC-4.8.1 - Pass 1

[akhiezer]

 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:01:40 +0100
 From: (akhiezer)
 To: LFS Support List lfs-support@linuxfromscratch.org
 Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Newbie need help - bus error in 5.5. GCC-4.8.1 -
  Pass 1

  Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 19:41:24 -0400
  From: Viola Zoltán violaz...@gmail.com
  To: LFS Support List lfs-support@linuxfromscratch.org
  Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Newbie need help - bus error in 5.5. GCC-4.8.1 -
   Pass 1
 
 
 
  Excuse me, I am very newbie and very idiotic... I tryed it:
 
  CFLAGS=-fno-exceptions -fno-rtti; make
 
  CFLAGS=--fno-exceptions --fno-rtti; make
 
  but nothing changed, the compile not succeeded, same error message...
 


  - shouldn't that be:

   CFLAGS=-fno-exceptions -fno-rtti make

  - i.e. without the semi-colon (';') ; and normally just use the single-dash 
 ('-') 
 format for those options (i.e. '-f...' instead of '--f...')  .

 (Also, fwiw, for a make command-line I'd normally put such variables _after_ 
 the 
 'make': make [ -f makefile ] [ options ] ... [ targets ] ... ).


 hth
 akh

 p.s. also try to avoid top-posting.



 - although, as Ken says, he's asking you to retry the make with the 
'-fno-exceptions -fno-rtti' options omitted - iff certain conditions are met - 
per details of Ken's 2+ messages (the stuff re '-O2 -g', etc).


akh




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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie need help - bus error in 5.5. GCC-4.8.1 - Pass 1

[Viola Zoltán]

Sorry, nothing change. I was deleted all GCC source, begin from first the
5.5 chapter (compiling of GCC), with this command (after the configure):

 CFLAGS=-fno-exceptions -fno-rtti make

but it write me this error message:


/bin/sh ../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../move-if-change tmp-latencytab.c
insn-latencytab.c
echo timestamp  s-attrtab
g++ -c   -g -O2 -DIN_GCC -DCROSS_DIRECTORY_STRUCTURE  -fno-exceptions
-fno-rtti -fasynchronous-unwind-tables -W -Wall -Wno-narrowing
-Wwrite-strings -Wcast-qual -Wmissing-format-attribute -pedantic
-Wno-long-long -Wno-variadic-macros -Wno-overlength-strings
-DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/.
-I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../include -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../libcpp/include
-I/Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-build/./gmp
-I/Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-4.8.1/gmp
-I/Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-build/../gcc-4.8.1/mpfr/src
-I/Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-4.8.1/mpc/src
-I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../libdecnumber
-I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../libdecnumber/dpd -I../libdecnumber
-I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../libbacktraceinsn-attrtab.c -o insn-attrtab.o
g++ -c   -g -O2 -DIN_GCC -DCROSS_DIRECTORY_STRUCTURE  -fno-exceptions
-fno-rtti -fasynchronous-unwind-tables -W -Wall -Wno-narrowing
-Wwrite-strings -Wcast-qual -Wmissing-format-attribute -pedantic
-Wno-long-long -Wno-variadic-macros -Wno-overlength-strings
-DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DGENERATOR_FILE -I. -Ibuild -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc
-I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/build -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../include
-I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../libcpp/include
-I/Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-build/./gmp
-I/Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-4.8.1/gmp
-I/Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-build/../gcc-4.8.1/mpfr/src
-I/Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-4.8.1/mpc/src
-I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../libdecnumber
-I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../libdecnumber/dpd -I../libdecnumber
-I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../libbacktrace\
-o build/genautomata.o ../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/genautomata.c
g++   -g -O2 -DIN_GCC -DCROSS_DIRECTORY_STRUCTURE  -fno-exceptions
-fno-rtti -fasynchronous-unwind-tables -W -Wall -Wno-narrowing
-Wwrite-strings -Wcast-qual -Wmissing-format-attribute -pedantic
-Wno-long-long -Wno-variadic-macros -Wno-overlength-strings
-DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DGENERATOR_FILE -static-libstdc++ -static-libgcc  -o
build/genautomata \
build/genautomata.o build/rtl.o build/read-rtl.o build/ggc-none.o
build/vec.o build/min-insn-modes.o build/gensupport.o build/print-rtl.o
build/read-md.o build/errors.o
../build-i686-pc-linux-gnu/libiberty/libiberty.a -lm
build/genautomata ../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/config/i386/i386.md \
  insn-conditions.md  tmp-automata.c
/bin/sh: line 1: 12525 Bus error   build/genautomata
../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/config/i386/i386.md insn-conditions.md  tmp-automata.c
make[2]: *** [s-automata] Error 135
make[2]: Leaving directory `/Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-build/gcc'
make[1]: *** [all-gcc] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-build'
make: *** [all] Error 2



2013/10/23 akhiezer lf...@cruziero.com

  Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:01:40 +0100
  From: (akhiezer)
  To: LFS Support List lfs-support@linuxfromscratch.org
  Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Newbie need help - bus error in 5.5.
 GCC-4.8.1 -
   Pass 1
 
   Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 19:41:24 -0400
   From: Viola Zoltán violaz...@gmail.com
   To: LFS Support List lfs-support@linuxfromscratch.org
   Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Newbie need help - bus error in 5.5.
 GCC-4.8.1 -
Pass 1
  
  
  
   Excuse me, I am very newbie and very idiotic... I tryed it:
  
   CFLAGS=-fno-exceptions -fno-rtti; make
  
   CFLAGS=--fno-exceptions --fno-rtti; make
  
   but nothing changed, the compile not succeeded, same error message...
  
 
 
   - shouldn't that be:
 
CFLAGS=-fno-exceptions -fno-rtti make
 
   - i.e. without the semi-colon (';') ; and normally just use the
 single-dash ('-')
  format for those options (i.e. '-f...' instead of '--f...')  .
 
  (Also, fwiw, for a make command-line I'd normally put such variables
 _after_ the
  'make': make [ -f makefile ] [ options ] ... [ targets ] ... ).
 
 
  hth
  akh
 
  p.s. also try to avoid top-posting.
 


  - although, as Ken says, he's asking you to retry the make with the
 '-fno-exceptions -fno-rtti' options omitted - iff certain conditions are
 met -
 per details of Ken's 2+ messages (the stuff re '-O2 -g', etc).


 akh




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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie need help - bus error in 5.5. GCC-4.8.1 - Pass 1

[Viola Zoltán]

The full printenv output:

TERM=xterm
OLDPWD=/Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-build
LC_ALL=POSIX
LS_COLORS=rs=0:di=01;34:ln=01;36:mh=00:pi=40;33:so=01;35:do=01;35:bd=40;33;01:cd=40;33;01:or=01;05;37;41:mi=01;05;37;41:su=37;41:sg=30;43:ca=30;41:tw=30;42:ow=34;42:st=37;44:ex=01;32:*.tar=01;31:*.tgz=01;31:*.arj=01;31:*.taz=01;31:*.lzh=01;31:*.lzma=01;31:*.tlz=01;31:*.txz=01;31:*.zip=01;31:*.z=01;31:*.Z=01;31:*.dz=01;31:*.gz=01;31:*.lz=01;31:*.xz=01;31:*.bz2=01;31:*.bz=01;31:*.tbz=01;31:*.tbz2=01;31:*.tz=01;31:*.deb=01;31:*.rpm=01;31:*.jar=01;31:*.war=01;31:*.ear=01;31:*.sar=01;31:*.rar=01;31:*.ace=01;31:*.zoo=01;31:*.cpio=01;31:*.7z=01;31:*.rz=01;31:*.jpg=01;35:*.jpeg=01;35:*.gif=01;35:*.bmp=01;35:*.pbm=01;35:*.pgm=01;35:*.ppm=01;35:*.tga=01;35:*.xbm=01;35:*.xpm=01;35:*.tif=01;35:*.tiff=01;35:*.png=01;35:*.svg=01;35:*.svgz=01;35:*.mng=01;35:*.pcx=01;35:*.mov=01;35:*.mpg=01;35:*.mpeg=01;35:*.m2v=01;35:*.mkv=01;35:*.webm=01;35:*.ogm=01;35:*.mp4=01;35:*.m4v=01;35:*.mp4v=01;35:*.vob=01;35:*.qt=01;35:*.nuv=01;35:*.wmv=01;35:*.asf=01;35:*.rm=01;35:*.rmvb=01;35:*.flc=01;35:*.avi=01;35:*.fli=01;35:*.flv=01;35:*.gl=01;35:*.dl=01;35:*.xcf=01;35:*.xwd=01;35:*.yuv=01;35:*.cgm=01;35:*.emf=01;35:*.axv=01;35:*.anx=01;35:*.ogv=01;35:*.ogx=01;35:*.pdf=00;32:*.ps=00;32:*.txt=00;32:*.patch=00;32:*.diff=00;32:*.log=00;32:*.tex=00;32:*.doc=00;32:*.aac=00;36:*.au=00;36:*.flac=00;36:*.mid=00;36:*.midi=00;36:*.mka=00;36:*.mp3=00;36:*.mpc=00;36:*.ogg=00;36:*.ra=00;36:*.wav=00;36:*.axa=00;36:*.oga=00;36:*.spx=00;36:*.xspf=00;36:
LFS=/Mount/Simplicity
PATH=/tools/bin:/bin:/usr/bin
PWD=/Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-build
LFS_TGT=i686-lfs-linux-gnu
PS1=\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[01;34m\] \w \$\[\033[00m\]
SHLVL=1
HOME=/home/lfs
_=/usr/bin/printenv



2013/10/23 akhiezer lf...@cruziero.com

  From lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org Wed Oct 23 21:34:56 2013
  Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 16:16:23 -0400
  From: Viola Zoltán violaz...@gmail.com
  To: akhiezer lf...@cruziero.com,
  LFS Support List lfs-support@linuxfromscratch.org
  Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Newbie need help - bus error in 5.5.
 GCC-4.8.1 -
   Pass 1
 
 
 
  Sorry, nothing change. I was deleted all GCC source, begin from first the
  5.5 chapter (compiling of GCC), with this command (after the configure):
 
   CFLAGS=-fno-exceptions -fno-rtti make
 
  but it write me this error message:
 
 
  /bin/sh ../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../move-if-change tmp-latencytab.c
  insn-latencytab.c
  echo timestamp  s-attrtab
  g++ -c   -g -O2 -DIN_GCC -DCROSS_DIRECTORY_STRUCTURE  -fno-exceptions
  -fno-rtti -fasynchronous-unwind-tables -W -Wall -Wno-narrowing
  -Wwrite-strings -Wcast-qual -Wmissing-format-attribute -pedantic
  -Wno-long-long -Wno-variadic-macros -Wno-overlength-strings
  -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/.
  -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../include -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../libcpp/include
  -I/Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-build/./gmp
  -I/Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-4.8.1/gmp
  -I/Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-build/../gcc-4.8.1/mpfr/src
  -I/Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-4.8.1/mpc/src
  -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../libdecnumber
  -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../libdecnumber/dpd -I../libdecnumber
  -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../libbacktraceinsn-attrtab.c -o insn-attrtab.o
  g++ -c   -g -O2 -DIN_GCC -DCROSS_DIRECTORY_STRUCTURE  -fno-exceptions
  -fno-rtti -fasynchronous-unwind-tables -W -Wall -Wno-narrowing
  -Wwrite-strings -Wcast-qual -Wmissing-format-attribute -pedantic
  -Wno-long-long -Wno-variadic-macros -Wno-overlength-strings
  -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DGENERATOR_FILE -I. -Ibuild -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc
  -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/build -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../include
  -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../libcpp/include
  -I/Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-build/./gmp
  -I/Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-4.8.1/gmp
  -I/Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-build/../gcc-4.8.1/mpfr/src
  -I/Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-4.8.1/mpc/src
  -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../libdecnumber
  -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../libdecnumber/dpd -I../libdecnumber
  -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../libbacktrace\
  -o build/genautomata.o ../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/genautomata.c
  g++   -g -O2 -DIN_GCC -DCROSS_DIRECTORY_STRUCTURE  -fno-exceptions
  -fno-rtti -fasynchronous-unwind-tables -W -Wall -Wno-narrowing
  -Wwrite-strings -Wcast-qual -Wmissing-format-attribute -pedantic
  -Wno-long-long -Wno-variadic-macros -Wno-overlength-strings
  -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DGENERATOR_FILE -static-libstdc++ -static-libgcc  -o
  build/genautomata \
  build/genautomata.o build/rtl.o build/read-rtl.o build/ggc-none.o
  build/vec.o build/min-insn-modes.o build/gensupport.o build/print-rtl.o
  build/read-md.o build/errors.o
  ../build-i686-pc-linux-gnu/libiberty/libiberty.a -lm
  build/genautomata ../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/config/i386/i386.md \
insn-conditions.md  tmp-automata.c
  /bin/sh: line 1: 12525 Bus error   build/genautomata
  ../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/config/i386/i386.md insn-conditions.md 
 tmp-automata.c
  make[2]: *** [s-automata] Error 135

Re: [lfs-support] Newbie need help - bus error in 5.5. GCC-4.8.1 - Pass 1

[Viola Zoltán]

  To: akhiezer lf...@cruziero.com,
  LFS Support List lfs-support@linuxfromscratch.org
  Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Newbie need help - bus error in 5.5.
 GCC-4.8.1 -
   Pass 1
 
 
 
  Sorry, nothing change. I was deleted all GCC source, begin from first
 the
  5.5 chapter (compiling of GCC), with this command (after the configure):
 
   CFLAGS=-fno-exceptions -fno-rtti make
 
  but it write me this error message:
 
 
  /bin/sh ../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../move-if-change tmp-latencytab.c
  insn-latencytab.c
  echo timestamp  s-attrtab
  g++ -c   -g -O2 -DIN_GCC -DCROSS_DIRECTORY_STRUCTURE  -fno-exceptions
  -fno-rtti -fasynchronous-unwind-tables -W -Wall -Wno-narrowing
  -Wwrite-strings -Wcast-qual -Wmissing-format-attribute -pedantic
  -Wno-long-long -Wno-variadic-macros -Wno-overlength-strings
  -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/.
  -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../include -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../libcpp/include
  -I/Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-build/./gmp
  -I/Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-4.8.1/gmp
  -I/Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-build/../gcc-4.8.1/mpfr/src
  -I/Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-4.8.1/mpc/src
  -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../libdecnumber
  -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../libdecnumber/dpd -I../libdecnumber
  -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../libbacktraceinsn-attrtab.c -o
 insn-attrtab.o
  g++ -c   -g -O2 -DIN_GCC -DCROSS_DIRECTORY_STRUCTURE  -fno-exceptions
  -fno-rtti -fasynchronous-unwind-tables -W -Wall -Wno-narrowing
  -Wwrite-strings -Wcast-qual -Wmissing-format-attribute -pedantic
  -Wno-long-long -Wno-variadic-macros -Wno-overlength-strings
  -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DGENERATOR_FILE -I. -Ibuild -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc
  -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/build -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../include
  -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../libcpp/include
  -I/Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-build/./gmp
  -I/Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-4.8.1/gmp
  -I/Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-build/../gcc-4.8.1/mpfr/src
  -I/Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-4.8.1/mpc/src
  -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../libdecnumber
  -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../libdecnumber/dpd -I../libdecnumber
  -I../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/../libbacktrace\
  -o build/genautomata.o ../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/genautomata.c
  g++   -g -O2 -DIN_GCC -DCROSS_DIRECTORY_STRUCTURE  -fno-exceptions
  -fno-rtti -fasynchronous-unwind-tables -W -Wall -Wno-narrowing
  -Wwrite-strings -Wcast-qual -Wmissing-format-attribute -pedantic
  -Wno-long-long -Wno-variadic-macros -Wno-overlength-strings
  -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DGENERATOR_FILE -static-libstdc++ -static-libgcc  -o
  build/genautomata \
  build/genautomata.o build/rtl.o build/read-rtl.o build/ggc-none.o
  build/vec.o build/min-insn-modes.o build/gensupport.o build/print-rtl.o
  build/read-md.o build/errors.o
  ../build-i686-pc-linux-gnu/libiberty/libiberty.a -lm
  build/genautomata ../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/config/i386/i386.md \
insn-conditions.md  tmp-automata.c
  /bin/sh: line 1: 12525 Bus error   build/genautomata
  ../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/config/i386/i386.md insn-conditions.md 
 tmp-automata.c
  make[2]: *** [s-automata] Error 135
  make[2]: Leaving directory `/Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-build/gcc'
  make[1]: *** [all-gcc] Error 2
  make[1]: Leaving directory `/Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-build'
  make: *** [all] Error 2
 
 
 
  2013/10/23 akhiezer lf...@cruziero.com
 
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:01:40 +0100
From: (akhiezer)
To: LFS Support List lfs-support@linuxfromscratch.org
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Newbie need help - bus error in 5.5.
   GCC-4.8.1 -
 Pass 1
   
 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 19:41:24 -0400
 From: Viola Zoltán violaz...@gmail.com
 To: LFS Support List lfs-support@linuxfromscratch.org
 Subject: Re: [lfs-support] Newbie need help - bus error in 5.5.
   GCC-4.8.1 -
  Pass 1



 Excuse me, I am very newbie and very idiotic... I tryed it:

 CFLAGS=-fno-exceptions -fno-rtti; make

 CFLAGS=--fno-exceptions --fno-rtti; make

 but nothing changed, the compile not succeeded, same error
 message...

   
   
 - shouldn't that be:
   
  CFLAGS=-fno-exceptions -fno-rtti make
   
 - i.e. without the semi-colon (';') ; and normally just use the
   single-dash ('-')
format for those options (i.e. '-f...' instead of '--f...')  .
   
(Also, fwiw, for a make command-line I'd normally put such variables
   _after_ the
'make': make [ -f makefile ] [ options ] ... [ targets ] ... ).
   
   
hth
akh
   
p.s. also try to avoid top-posting.
   
  
  
- although, as Ken says, he's asking you to retry the make with the
   '-fno-exceptions -fno-rtti' options omitted - iff certain conditions
 are
   met -
   per details of Ken's 2+ messages (the stuff re '-O2 -g', etc).
  
  
   akh
  


 Sorry to howevermuch-inadvertently partway-hijack a thread, but given
 time-differences c, here goes:

 Can you give the output of 'printenv'  .

 Can you go 'round the loop again - i.e. fresh tarball-unpack, etc - and
 do:

   CFLAGS=-O2 -g make

Re: [lfs-support] Newbie need help - bus error in 5.5. GCC-4.8.1 - Pass 1

[Ken Moffat]

On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 05:49:27PM -0400, Viola Zoltán wrote:
 @akhiezer:
 
 I tryed:
 
 CFLAGS=-O2 -g make
 
 but no changed:
 

 My final suggestion is : try a different host distro.  The recent
google matches for this were almost all for people updating packages
on gentoo, which is why I suspect gentoo's hardening.

 There was one similar error for someone doing something on fedora,
but at the moment I regard that as an outlier (it had no responses
and apparently remains unresolved).

 One of the gentoo threads suggested that these errors could come
from memory problems (test with memtest86), but I suspect there must
also be something in the hardening which has an influence, because
you are not getting a segfault.

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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie need help - bus error in 5.5. GCC-4.8.1 - Pass 1

[Viola Zoltán]

Dear Ken, I am sure that this is no memory problem. I have absolutely full
totally new memory chipset in my laptop, and all programs work very good,
both in my Sabayon (because I use not Gentoo, but Sabayon) and my old
Ubuntu 11.10 distro in an other partition.

Okay, I try the LFS with any other host distro. Make a suggestion to me,
please, which distro would be good for this procedure? No LiveCD please, I
have an empty almost 100 GB partitio for the host system. Please propose a
distro which has MC... I CAN use the commandline without MC, good, but WITH
mc it is much easyer and faster. I am not profi in the Linux, but no
beginner. Maybe power user. I can write not too difficult bash scripts,
can programming in C/C++ (and a little bit in assembly...), my preferred
window manager is the DWM, but I am newbie in the LFS, because I not
understand good how the configure, the make, autoconf, automake
 and the linker work, not know they's syntax, etc. I am in the Linux
autodidact, self-educated, I was never learned it in any school or training
course. Actually/as a matter of fact, I was begin the LFS even just exactly
because I would like to know FULLY, how a Linux system work, and because I
very not like the bloatware distros (named *buntu, etc) with lot of (for
me) superfluous programs. I like, agree, approve the
suckless.orgphilosophy. I like the commandline and the
commandline-based programs (and
ncurses). But sorry, I not have a good mentor... Thus, what host distro
do you suggest for me, which work good (tested) sure to this LFS?

Zoli


2013/10/23 Ken Moffat zarniwh...@ntlworld.com

 On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 05:49:27PM -0400, Viola Zoltán wrote:
  @akhiezer:
 
  I tryed:
 
  CFLAGS=-O2 -g make
 
  but no changed:
 

  My final suggestion is : try a different host distro.  The recent
 google matches for this were almost all for people updating packages
 on gentoo, which is why I suspect gentoo's hardening.

  There was one similar error for someone doing something on fedora,
 but at the moment I regard that as an outlier (it had no responses
 and apparently remains unresolved).

  One of the gentoo threads suggested that these errors could come
 from memory problems (test with memtest86), but I suspect there must
 also be something in the hardening which has an influence, because
 you are not getting a segfault.

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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie need help - bus error in 5.5. GCC-4.8.1 - Pass 1

[Ken Moffat]

On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 07:14:15PM -0400, Viola Zoltán wrote:
 Dear Ken, I am sure that this is no memory problem. I have absolutely full
 totally new memory chipset in my laptop, and all programs work very good,
 both in my Sabayon (because I use not Gentoo, but Sabayon) and my old
 Ubuntu 11.10 distro in an other partition.
 
 Okay, I try the LFS with any other host distro. Make a suggestion to me,
 please, which distro would be good for this procedure? No LiveCD please, I
 have an empty almost 100 GB partitio for the host system. Please propose a
 distro which has MC... I CAN use the commandline without MC, good, but WITH
 mc it is much easyer and faster. I am not profi in the Linux, but no
 beginner. Maybe power user. I can write not too difficult bash scripts,
 can programming in C/C++ (and a little bit in assembly...), my preferred
 window manager is the DWM, but I am newbie in the LFS, because I not
 understand good how the configure, the make, autoconf, automake
  and the linker work, not know they's syntax, etc. I am in the Linux
 autodidact, self-educated, I was never learned it in any school or training
 course. Actually/as a matter of fact, I was begin the LFS even just exactly
 because I would like to know FULLY, how a Linux system work, and because I
 very not like the bloatware distros (named *buntu, etc) with lot of (for
 me) superfluous programs. I like, agree, approve the
 suckless.orgphilosophy. I like the commandline and the
 commandline-based programs (and
 ncurses). But sorry, I not have a good mentor... Thus, what host distro
 do you suggest for me, which work good (tested) sure to this LFS?
 
 Zoli
 

 I've no idea which distro would suit you.  But whatever you use,
100GB is excessively large for a system.  Many people will put the
user's files in /home on a separate partition.  Some people will
put other data files (e.g. audio-video) on a separate partition.
You can always reinstall a distro if it gets trashed, but you are
the only one who can preserve and back-up your own data.

 Debian and debian-derived distros (ubuntu, mint) may be missing a
few things (e.g. they might have mawk instead of gawk, and /bin/sh
might be symlinked to dash - both these things can be fixed).
Distros like Arch and fedora might be too bleeding edge (i.e. newer
than what we have tested), but I will be surprised if they cause
many problems (I'm assuming that systemd doesn't cause a problem in
building LFS - I've never used it, and have no plans to).

 MC is not something I like, so I've no idea which distros use it.

 The one benefit to a distro is that it should set up your hardware
properly.  Nowadays many things just work, but older or very new
hardware can have problems.  Wifi can be a problem, and occasionally
graphics are also a problem.  Suspend/hibernate also.  If you can
find a distro which suits you, you can use it to examine desktops
and different desktop applications.  I assume that debian has the
widest range of these.

 Once you have a usable (for you) desktop, you will (I hope) find
that using a graphical browser such as firefox is the easiest way to
search for solutions to problems, and you will also be able to try
putting multiple terms on the same desktop (if your screen is big
enough) - I guess that kde, gnome, and unity (ubuntu) are probably
not very good for multiple terms on the same desktop.  Seriously,
a desktop configured the way you like it, with multiple terms, is
the most productive way to write scripts or code IMHO.

 I'd better not forget to mention Slackware.

 You might do best to spend a few weeks playing around with
different distros - for normal use, I guess that 10GB is plenty for
a system, but you may have trouble getting multiple distros to play
nicely with each other - particularly when setting up grub, but also
the user and group IDs.

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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie need help - bus error in 5.5. GCC-4.8.1 - Pass 1

[Viola Zoltán]

Dear Ken, I need the new distro from you suggestion ONLY, JUST for the
building of LFS, no for other works/jobs! No problem, if it not have
wifi-possibility or others. I saved the full LFS and BLFS books to my
new-used partition, I will work from its. And I was downloaded all needed
packages, of course. I will install the new host distro, and build LFS. If
I would like work/play any other, then reboot to my Sabayon. Therefore, I
no need full-featured desktop environment. Just a lightweight WM with a
browser to read the LFS book, mc (not musthaved, but I like it) and nothing
else, just I should can build my LFS. I need the host distro just
temporarily, ad interim. Which distro you do use nowadays for build you LFS
system?

Or, it is would be much easyer to my, that if you have a full temporary
system as written in the LFS book, - finished to the 5.35 chapter - then
you pack it to a tar.bz2 file, and send me its download link. I download
it, unpack it to my partition, change ownership, and begin at this chapter
I continue the building of my own LFS system, with chroot and others. This
is a little bit would be alike to the Gentoo, from stage3, I think.

Zoli


2013/10/23 Ken Moffat zarniwh...@ntlworld.com

 On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 07:14:15PM -0400, Viola Zoltán wrote:
  Dear Ken, I am sure that this is no memory problem. I have absolutely
 full
  totally new memory chipset in my laptop, and all programs work very good,
  both in my Sabayon (because I use not Gentoo, but Sabayon) and my old
  Ubuntu 11.10 distro in an other partition.
 
  Okay, I try the LFS with any other host distro. Make a suggestion to me,
  please, which distro would be good for this procedure? No LiveCD please,
 I
  have an empty almost 100 GB partitio for the host system. Please propose
 a
  distro which has MC... I CAN use the commandline without MC, good, but
 WITH
  mc it is much easyer and faster. I am not profi in the Linux, but no
  beginner. Maybe power user. I can write not too difficult bash scripts,
  can programming in C/C++ (and a little bit in assembly...), my preferred
  window manager is the DWM, but I am newbie in the LFS, because I not
  understand good how the configure, the make, autoconf, automake
   and the linker work, not know they's syntax, etc. I am in the Linux
  autodidact, self-educated, I was never learned it in any school or
 training
  course. Actually/as a matter of fact, I was begin the LFS even just
 exactly
  because I would like to know FULLY, how a Linux system work, and because
 I
  very not like the bloatware distros (named *buntu, etc) with lot of (for
  me) superfluous programs. I like, agree, approve the
  suckless.orgphilosophy. I like the commandline and the
  commandline-based programs (and
  ncurses). But sorry, I not have a good mentor... Thus, what host distro
  do you suggest for me, which work good (tested) sure to this LFS?
 
  Zoli
 

  I've no idea which distro would suit you.  But whatever you use,
 100GB is excessively large for a system.  Many people will put the
 user's files in /home on a separate partition.  Some people will
 put other data files (e.g. audio-video) on a separate partition.
 You can always reinstall a distro if it gets trashed, but you are
 the only one who can preserve and back-up your own data.

  Debian and debian-derived distros (ubuntu, mint) may be missing a
 few things (e.g. they might have mawk instead of gawk, and /bin/sh
 might be symlinked to dash - both these things can be fixed).
 Distros like Arch and fedora might be too bleeding edge (i.e. newer
 than what we have tested), but I will be surprised if they cause
 many problems (I'm assuming that systemd doesn't cause a problem in
 building LFS - I've never used it, and have no plans to).

  MC is not something I like, so I've no idea which distros use it.

  The one benefit to a distro is that it should set up your hardware
 properly.  Nowadays many things just work, but older or very new
 hardware can have problems.  Wifi can be a problem, and occasionally
 graphics are also a problem.  Suspend/hibernate also.  If you can
 find a distro which suits you, you can use it to examine desktops
 and different desktop applications.  I assume that debian has the
 widest range of these.

  Once you have a usable (for you) desktop, you will (I hope) find
 that using a graphical browser such as firefox is the easiest way to
 search for solutions to problems, and you will also be able to try
 putting multiple terms on the same desktop (if your screen is big
 enough) - I guess that kde, gnome, and unity (ubuntu) are probably
 not very good for multiple terms on the same desktop.  Seriously,
 a desktop configured the way you like it, with multiple terms, is
 the most productive way to write scripts or code IMHO.

  I'd better not forget to mention Slackware.

  You might do best to spend a few weeks playing around with
 different distros - for normal use, I guess that 10GB is plenty for
 a system, but you may 

Re: [lfs-support] Newbie need help - bus error in 5.5. GCC-4.8.1 - Pass 1

[Ken Moffat]

On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 09:00:36PM -0400, Viola Zoltán wrote:
 Dear Ken, I need the new distro from you suggestion ONLY, JUST for the
 building of LFS, no for other works/jobs! No problem, if it not have
 wifi-possibility or others. I saved the full LFS and BLFS books to my
 new-used partition, I will work from its. And I was downloaded all needed
 packages, of course. I will install the new host distro, and build LFS. If
 I would like work/play any other, then reboot to my Sabayon. Therefore, I
 no need full-featured desktop environment. Just a lightweight WM with a
 browser to read the LFS book, mc (not musthaved, but I like it) and nothing
 else, just I should can build my LFS. I need the host distro just
 temporarily, ad interim. Which distro you do use nowadays for build you LFS
 system?

 To answer that last question - LFS.  I have used debian-ppc and
then ubuntu for my non x86 boxes, but the last x86 distro I used was
probably mandrake-7.2.  Is sabayon the gentoo-based hardened distro
you were using ?  Or did you actually install gentoo ?
 
 Or, it is would be much easyer to my, that if you have a full temporary
 system as written in the LFS book, - finished to the 5.35 chapter - then
 you pack it to a tar.bz2 file, and send me its download link. I download
 it, unpack it to my partition, change ownership, and begin at this chapter
 I continue the building of my own LFS system, with chroot and others. This
 is a little bit would be alike to the Gentoo, from stage3, I think.
 
 Zoli

 Four reasons why I can't do that :

1. I don't have such a tarball.
2. Size - I don't have anywhere to upload large files.
3. Licensing - you would need my buildscripts, and I would also have
to offer to supply you with the source tarballs for a reasonable
time, at least for the GPL'd packages.
4. I'm normally building on x86_64.  You are building i686.

 At this point, perhaps I should mention that we really dislike top
posting.

 You mentioned that you didn't like ubuntu : if you have a
fairly-recent ubuntu CD, that should be good enough : install it and
then boot ubuntu, install a minimal desktop instead of the bloated
'buntu desktop (I prefer icewm, but xfce is nearly as useful), your
mc, and then whatever it needs for LFS - build-essentials, and
replacing the dash symlink is my guess.  Check the host system
requirements in the book.

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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie need help - bus error in 5.5. GCC-4.8.1 - Pass 1

[Viola Zoltán]

Okay, thanks.


2013/10/23 Ken Moffat zarniwh...@ntlworld.com

 On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 09:00:36PM -0400, Viola Zoltán wrote:
  Dear Ken, I need the new distro from you suggestion ONLY, JUST for the
  building of LFS, no for other works/jobs! No problem, if it not have
  wifi-possibility or others. I saved the full LFS and BLFS books to my
  new-used partition, I will work from its. And I was downloaded all needed
  packages, of course. I will install the new host distro, and build LFS.
 If
  I would like work/play any other, then reboot to my Sabayon. Therefore, I
  no need full-featured desktop environment. Just a lightweight WM with a
  browser to read the LFS book, mc (not musthaved, but I like it) and
 nothing
  else, just I should can build my LFS. I need the host distro just
  temporarily, ad interim. Which distro you do use nowadays for build you
 LFS
  system?

  To answer that last question - LFS.  I have used debian-ppc and
 then ubuntu for my non x86 boxes, but the last x86 distro I used was
 probably mandrake-7.2.  Is sabayon the gentoo-based hardened distro
 you were using ?  Or did you actually install gentoo ?
 
  Or, it is would be much easyer to my, that if you have a full temporary
  system as written in the LFS book, - finished to the 5.35 chapter - then
  you pack it to a tar.bz2 file, and send me its download link. I download
  it, unpack it to my partition, change ownership, and begin at this
 chapter
  I continue the building of my own LFS system, with chroot and others.
 This
  is a little bit would be alike to the Gentoo, from stage3, I think.
 
  Zoli

  Four reasons why I can't do that :

 1. I don't have such a tarball.
 2. Size - I don't have anywhere to upload large files.
 3. Licensing - you would need my buildscripts, and I would also have
 to offer to supply you with the source tarballs for a reasonable
 time, at least for the GPL'd packages.
 4. I'm normally building on x86_64.  You are building i686.

  At this point, perhaps I should mention that we really dislike top
 posting.

  You mentioned that you didn't like ubuntu : if you have a
 fairly-recent ubuntu CD, that should be good enough : install it and
 then boot ubuntu, install a minimal desktop instead of the bloated
 'buntu desktop (I prefer icewm, but xfce is nearly as useful), your
 mc, and then whatever it needs for LFS - build-essentials, and
 replacing the dash symlink is my guess.  Check the host system
 requirements in the book.

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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie need help - bus error in 5.5. GCC-4.8.1 - Pass 1

[Ken Moffat]

On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 05:31:19PM -0400, Viola Zoltán wrote:
 Hi, excuse me for the bad English... I try LFS from Sabayon host system,
 with this GCC version:
 
 lfs@Csiszilla /Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-build $ gcc --version
 gcc (Gentoo Hardened 4.7.2-r1 p1.5, pie-0.5.5) 4.7.2
 
 The binutils succeeded. The GCC not. It wrote me this error message:
 

 build/genautomata ../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/config/i386/i386.md \
   insn-conditions.md  tmp-automata.c
 /bin/sh: line 1: 24043 Bus error   build/genautomata
 ../../gcc-4.8.1/gcc/config/i386/i386.md insn-conditions.md  tmp-automata.c
 make[3]: *** [s-automata] Error 135
 

 Apparently, a bus error differs from a segfault - valid memory is
being accessed in an invalid way.  The example google found was for
unaligned accesses on architectures where those are illegal.  i686
is generally very permissive, so I can't imagine what sort of access
would cause this.

 Google did find similar examples on gentoo lists (users trying to
emerge gcc and getting a Bus error).  Apparently, the pie setting
was involved.  I've no idea how you would reduce the hardening on a
gentoo system.

 Someone in another gentoo response suggested reducing the CFLAGS to
something sane - if you are following LFS exactly, then the default
CFLAGS from the package should be used.  I -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti
are from the package.  But if you did set those, try without them.

 My significant variables:
 
 lfs@Csiszilla /Mount/Simplicity/sources/gcc-build $ echo $LFS
 /Mount/Simplicity

 Might work nowadays, but we always recommend /mnt/lfs.

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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie need help - bus error in 5.5. GCC-4.8.1 - Pass 1

[Viola Zoltán]

Excuse me, I am very newbie and very idiotic... I tryed it:

CFLAGS=-fno-exceptions -fno-rtti; make

CFLAGS=--fno-exceptions --fno-rtti; make

but nothing changed, the compile not succeeded, same error message...



2013/10/22 Ken Moffat zarniwh...@ntlworld.com

 On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 11:12:09PM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote:
 
   Someone in another gentoo response suggested reducing the CFLAGS to
  something sane - if you are following LFS exactly, then the default
  CFLAGS from the package should be used.  I -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti
  are from the package.  But if you did set those, try without them.
 
  That second sentence should start

 I assume -fno-exceptions ...
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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie need help - bus error in 5.5. GCC-4.8.1 - Pass 1

[Ken Moffat]

On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 07:41:24PM -0400, Viola Zoltán wrote:
 Excuse me, I am very newbie and very idiotic... I tryed it:
 
 CFLAGS=-fno-exceptions -fno-rtti; make
 
 CFLAGS=--fno-exceptions --fno-rtti; make
 
 but nothing changed, the compile not succeeded, same error message...
 
 I intended you to try REMOVING those CFLAGS by setting CFLAGS to
just -O2 -g, but ONLY if they were already set in your LFS user's
CFLAGS.  I know you posted some variables in your original post, but
perhaps your lfs user has mangaged to acquire some other settings
from the host distro ?  I don't understand the details of gentoo,
but running 'printenv' as the lfs user should enable you to check
that if you are in any doubt.  Or 'printenv | less' if htings have
been picked up.

 Also, if you do change anything like that you need to use freshly
untarred source and a fresh (empty) build directory, and specify
them when you run configure.

 But I think the most likely problem is that your gentoo system has
been hardened, and I have no idea how to deal with that.

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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie

[Unix User]

Hi


  2. I'd also like to know which LIVE CD/DVD you can recommend to use as 
 a base that satisfies all the criteria from the script on the host 
 requirements 
 page (http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/prologue/hostreqs.html) 
 as 
 all the distro's I've chosen (major ones like Kubuntu, CentOS, Gentoo, 
 etc) all fail on one or more element. Some of them fail on BISON while others 
 on 
 GCC, a package I suspect to be rather important in this endeavour.
 
 I'd say some Debian or Gentoo LiveCD works fine. At the starting of the 
 book,
 you'll be able to check wether you have host prerequisities and, otherwise, 
 install
 the needed. Ubuntu seems to cause, sometimes, issues, but maybe things have 
 changed.

Indeed, using Ubuntu as host system you will see /bin/sh - /bin/dash in 
version-check output (host system requirements). Since you will encounter 
errors using dash shell you really want to change from dash to bash - as you 
can read in the archive [1] I had to learn it, too. 

[1] http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lfs.support/37167

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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie

[Philippe Delavalade]

Le vendredi 16 août à 20:46, inquiring.m...@hushmail.com a écrit :
 Hello all,

 1. I just saw the LFS site and would like to try it but can't see the
 section that says how to download the source file packages ready to work
 through the programme.

Hi.

To buld LFS, a minimal knowledge about linux is required. You should know
how to get the packages :-)

 2. I'd also like to know which LIVE CD/DVD you can recommend to use as a
 base that satisfies all the criteria from the script on the host
 requirements page
 (http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/prologue/hostreqs.html)
 as all the distro's I've chosen (major ones like Kubuntu, CentOS, Gentoo,
 etc) all fail on one or more element. Some of them fail on BISON while
 others on GCC, a package I suspect to be rather important in this
 endeavour.

The grml livecd based on debian was fine except you had to change from zsh
to bash but I don't know about it now. Have a look at http://grml.org/

 3. I recently bought a new computer with no OS on it just for installing
 Linux on it and learning more about it so LFS seemed to be ideal. It's a
 new platform with UEFI instead of the older BIOS a 3TB HDD. I read that
 on drives like this, the old fdisk tool is insufficient but the only
 instructions I've seen in the manual are for the older, fdisk
 programme. I read something about needing to install a FAT32 partition at
 the start or something like that but wasn't sure if this was right or not
 as I know that FS is quite different to any *nix based filesystems.

You need gdisk.

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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie

[Aleksandar Kuktin]

On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 16:32:57 -0500
William Harrington kb0...@berzerkula.org wrote:

 
 On Aug 16, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Aleksandar Kuktin wrote:
 
  As stated above, you can use the LFS live CD although it is rather  
  old.
 
 Can't build current LFS with LFS 6.3 livecd. That's why I've updated  
 it. But that will soon come to an end with gcc-4.8.x targets.
 
 the 6.3 livecd uses gcc 4.1.2 which has no Wno-narrowing and another  
 variable which causes issues when cross compiling.
 
 I'd need to update the livecd to at least gcc 4.4 or 4.5 to get rid
 of it, not a problem, just letting you know.
 
 A new LFS livecd needs to be available, or get rid of it and have a  
 wiki for people to look toward to hosts that work wtih LFS and the  
 commands required to get them to the point if they don't meet the
 host system requirements.
 
 Sincerely,
 
 William Harrington

I had a general idea that there are people who maintain the livecd, but
I didn't know much more about it.

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[lfs-support] Newbie

[inquiring . mind]

Hello all,

1. I just saw the LFS site and would like to try it but can't see the section 
that says how to download the source file packages ready to work through the 
programme.

2. I'd also like to know which LIVE CD/DVD you can recommend to use as a base 
that satisfies all the criteria from the script on the host requirements page 
(http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/prologue/hostreqs.html) as all 
the distro's I've chosen (major ones like Kubuntu, CentOS, Gentoo, etc) all 
fail on one or more element. Some of them fail on BISON while others on GCC, a 
package I suspect to be rather important in this endeavour.

3. I recently bought a new computer with no OS on it just for installing Linux 
on it and learning more about it so LFS seemed to be ideal. It's a new platform 
with UEFI instead of the older BIOS a 3TB HDD. I read that on drives like this, 
the old fdisk tool is insufficient but the only instructions I've seen in the 
manual are for the older, fdisk programme. I read something about needing to 
install a FAT32 partition at the start or something like that but wasn't sure 
if this was right or not as I know that FS is quite different to any *nix based 
filesystems.

I realise there are a few different points here but would appreciate some help 
on this to get me started.

Thanks in advance.

IM.

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[lfs-support] Newbie

[inquiring . mind]

Hello all,

1. I just saw the LFS site and would like to try it but can't see the section 
that says how to download the source file packages ready to work through the 
programme.

2. I'd also like to know which LIVE CD/DVD you can recommend to use as a base 
that satisfies all the criteria from the script on the host requirements page 
(http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/prologue/hostreqs.html) as all 
the distro's I've chosen (major ones like Kubuntu, CentOS, Gentoo, etc) all 
fail on one or more element. Some of them fail on BISON while others on GCC, a 
package I suspect to be rather important in this endeavour.

3. I recently bought a new computer with no OS on it just for installing Linux 
on it and learning more about it so LFS seemed to be ideal. It's a new platform 
with UEFI instead of the older BIOS a 3TB HDD. I read that on drives like this, 
the old fdisk tool is insufficient but the only instructions I've seen in the 
manual are for the older, fdisk programme. I read something about needing to 
install a FAT32 partition at the start or something like that but wasn't sure 
if this was right or not as I know that FS is quite different to any *nix based 
filesystems (http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/gdisk.html)

I realise there are a few different points here but would appreciate some help 
on this to get me started.

Thanks in advance.

IM.

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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie

[Bruce Dubbs]

inquiring.m...@hushmail.com wrote:
 Hello all,

 1. I just saw the LFS site and would like to try it but can't see the
 section that says how to download the source file packages ready to
 work through the programme.

 2. I'd also like to know which LIVE CD/DVD you can recommend to use
 as a base that satisfies all the criteria from the script on the host
 requirements page
 (http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/prologue/hostreqs.html)
 as all the distro's I've chosen (major ones like Kubuntu, CentOS,
 Gentoo, etc) all fail on one or more element. Some of them fail on
 BISON while others on GCC, a package I suspect to be rather important
 in this endeavour.

Any of those should be OK, but you will need to update them by adding a 
few packages.  The procedures you use depend on which is used.

 3. I recently bought a new computer with no OS on it just for
 installing Linux on it and learning more about it so LFS seemed to be
 ideal. It's a new platform with UEFI instead of the older BIOS a 3TB
 HDD. I read that on drives like this, the old fdisk tool is
 insufficient but the only instructions I've seen in the manual are
 for the older, fdisk programme. I read something about needing to
 install a FAT32 partition at the start or something like that but
 wasn't sure if this was right or not as I know that FS is quite
 different to any *nix based filesystems.

You will need to install a GPT partition table.  The distros above 
should do that for you.  Just make sure to leave room for LFS. 
Generally a build partition of 10G is plenty.  Personally, I'd keep the 
*buntu, RH, etc partition small.  10G is fine for them too.

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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie

[Carl Thorn]

 From: inquiring.m...@hushmail.com inquiring.m...@hushmail.com
To: lfs-support@linuxfromscratch.org 
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 1:46 PM
Subject: [lfs-support] Newbie
 

Hello all,

1. I just saw the LFS site and would like to try it but can't see the section 
that says how to download the source file packages ready to work through the 
programme.

2. I'd also like to know which LIVE CD/DVD you can recommend to use as a base 
that satisfies all the criteria from the script on the host requirements page 
(http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/prologue/hostreqs.html) as all 
the distro's I've chosen (major ones like Kubuntu, CentOS, Gentoo, etc) all 
fail on one or more element. Some of them fail on BISON while others on GCC, a 
package I suspect to be rather important in this endeavour.

3. I recently bought a new computer with no OS on it just for installing Linux 
on it and learning more about it so LFS seemed to be ideal. It's a new platform 
with UEFI instead of the older BIOS a 3TB HDD. I read that on drives like this, 
the old fdisk tool is insufficient but the only instructions I've seen in the 
manual are for the older, fdisk programme. I read something about needing to 
install a FAT32 partition at the start or something like that but wasn't sure 
if this was right or not as I know that FS is quite different to any *nix based 
filesystems.

I realise there are a few different points here but would appreciate some help 
on this to get me started.

Thanks in advance.

IM.
Any distribution will do. Use unetbootin and put the image on a usb drive 
allowing space to save your work Then add any packages you may need to meet the 
host requirements.

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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie

[William Harrington]

On Aug 16, 2013, at 1:46 PM, inquiring.m...@hushmail.com wrote:

 Hello all,

 1. I just saw the LFS site and would like to try it but can't see  
 the section that says how to download the source file packages ready  
 to work through the programme.

 2. I'd also like to know which LIVE CD/DVD you can recommend to use  
 as a base that satisfies all the criteria from the script on the  
 host requirements page 
 (http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/prologue/hostreqs.html 
 ) as all the distro's I've chosen (major ones like Kubuntu, CentOS,  
 Gentoo, etc) all fail on one or more element. Some of them fail on  
 BISON while others on GCC, a package I suspect to be rather  
 important in this endeavour.

 3. I recently bought a new computer with no OS on it just for  
 installing Linux on it and learning more about it so LFS seemed to  
 be ideal. It's a new platform with UEFI instead of the older BIOS a  
 3TB HDD. I read that on drives like this, the old fdisk tool is  
 insufficient but the only instructions I've seen in the manual are  
 for the older, fdisk programme. I read something about needing to  
 install a FAT32 partition at the start or something like that but  
 wasn't sure if this was right or not as I know that FS is quite  
 different to any *nix based filesystems.

 I realise there are a few different points here but would appreciate  
 some help on this to get me started.

http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/prologue/prerequisites.html

You should know how to download packages. The links are given in the  
section of the book about packages and patches.

For a livecd you can use the one I keep updated 
http://cross-lfs.org/~kb0iic/livecdupd/

or any other livecd which meets the host system requirements. The host  
sys reqs page does state that dev packages may need to be installed.

There are wikis about configuring bootloaders for EUFI, and if you  
have the above and patience and don't want quick answers and can  
search mailing lists and documentation, then you will most likely  
succeed.

LFS has a FAQ, has a mailing list (which is archived by gmane and  
others to search), do not take the LFS support page and download page  
and book for granted. Read and comprehend and have fun building LFS.

Sincerely,

William Harrington
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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie

[Jean-Philippe MENGUAL]

On vendredi 16 août 2013 à 19:46:24 (+0100), inquiring.m...@hushmail.com wrote:
 Hello all,

Hi,

 1. I just saw the LFS site and would like to try it but can't see the section 
 that says how to download the source file packages ready to work through the 
 programme.

LFS is a book. On the website, in section LFS, you can download it or read it
on line. Read all the book and you will have a fepter in it which will help you
downloading all xou need. But read the whole book (except maybe the changelog).
Don't skip anything. To download the packages, everything is explained chap3.

 2. I'd also like to know which LIVE CD/DVD you can recommend to use as a base 
 that satisfies all the criteria from the script on the host requirements page 
 (http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/prologue/hostreqs.html) as 
 all the distro's I've chosen (major ones like Kubuntu, CentOS, Gentoo, etc) 
 all fail on one or more element. Some of them fail on BISON while others on 
 GCC, a package I suspect to be rather important in this endeavour.

I'd say some Debian or Gentoo LiveCD works fine. At the starting of the book,
you'll be able to check wether you have host prerequisities and, otherwise, 
install
the needed. Ubuntu seems to cause, sometimes, issues, but maybe things have 
changed.

 3. I recently bought a new computer with no OS on it just for installing 
 Linux on it and learning more about it so LFS seemed to be ideal. It's a new 
 platform with UEFI instead of the older BIOS a 3TB HDD. I read that on drives 
 like this, the old fdisk tool is insufficient but the only instructions I've 
 seen in the manual are for the older, fdisk programme. I read something about 
 needing to install a FAT32 partition at the start or something like that but 
 wasn't sure if this was right or not as I know that FS is quite different to 
 any *nix based filesystems.

As far I know, you can toogle, in your bios, between classical and UEFI mode.
You should enable classic mode.

Your question goes beyond the primary purpose of the project. I don't know. You
should read how to install a classical distro such as Debian, Arch or Gentoo on
such configurations. As you'll see, lfs doesn't explain topics such as kernel
configuration, etc. You should learn more about these stuff before starting
such build.

 I realise there are a few different points here but would appreciate some 
 help on this to get me started.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 IM.
 
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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie

[Aleksandar Kuktin]

Hello and welcome. Feel as if at home.

On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 19:46:24 +0100
inquiring.m...@hushmail.com wrote:

 Hello all,
 
 1. I just saw the LFS site and would like to try it but can't see the
 section that says how to download the source file packages ready to
 work through the programme.

You either have to download them yourself, one at a time, or get
yourself a copy of the LFS live CD which has them all in one place.

However, I am pretty certain that the LFS live CD has not been
maintained for some time and therefore the packages you can find on one
will almost certainly be old.

 2. I'd also like to know which LIVE CD/DVD you can recommend to use
 as a base that satisfies all the criteria from the script on the host
 requirements page
 (http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/prologue/hostreqs.html)
 as all the distro's I've chosen (major ones like Kubuntu, CentOS,
 Gentoo, etc) all fail on one or more element. Some of them fail on
 BISON while others on GCC, a package I suspect to be rather important
 in this endeavour.

As stated above, you can use the LFS live CD although it is rather old.

The other alternative is to take a distro which is close to what you
need and just add the missing stuff to it.

 3. I recently bought a new computer with no OS on it just for
 installing Linux on it and learning more about it so LFS seemed to be
 ideal. It's a new platform with UEFI instead of the older BIOS a 3TB
 HDD. I read that on drives like this, the old fdisk tool is
 insufficient but the only instructions I've seen in the manual are
 for the older, fdisk programme. I read something about needing to
 install a FAT32 partition at the start or something like that but
 wasn't sure if this was right or not as I know that FS is quite
 different to any *nix based filesystems.

The fdisk manual page states that fdisk was, in fact, not designed for
big partitions. It further states that one should use the more advanced
GNU parted for such disks. Therefore, use parted. And I'm pretty sure
you can ignore that FAT32 at the start part.

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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie

[William Harrington]

On Aug 16, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Aleksandar Kuktin wrote:

As stated above, you can use the LFS live CD although it is rather  
old.


Can't build current LFS with LFS 6.3 livecd. That's why I've updated  
it. But that will soon come to an end with gcc-4.8.x targets.


the 6.3 livecd uses gcc 4.1.2 which has no Wno-narrowing and another  
variable which causes issues when cross compiling.


I'd need to update the livecd to at least gcc 4.4 or 4.5 to get rid of  
it, not a problem, just letting you know.


A new LFS livecd needs to be available, or get rid of it and have a  
wiki for people to look toward to hosts that work wtih LFS and the  
commands required to get them to the point if they don't meet the host  
system requirements.


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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie

[Bruce Dubbs]

Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote:

 As far I know, you can toogle, in your bios, between classical and UEFI 
 mode.
 You should enable classic mode.

Not with a 3T drive.

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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie

[Bruce Dubbs]

Aleksandar Kuktin wrote:
 Hello and welcome. Feel as if at home.

 On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 19:46:24 +0100
 inquiring.m...@hushmail.com wrote:

 Hello all,

 1. I just saw the LFS site and would like to try it but can't see the
 section that says how to download the source file packages ready to
 work through the programme.

 You either have to download them yourself, one at a time, or get
 yourself a copy of the LFS live CD which has them all in one place.

They are at http://anduin.linuxfromscratch.org/sources/LFS/lfs-packages/

7.4-rc1 should be there later today.

 The fdisk manual page states that fdisk was, in fact, not designed for
 big partitions. It further states that one should use the more advanced
 GNU parted for such disks. Therefore, use parted. And I'm pretty sure
 you can ignore that FAT32 at the start part.

For a EFI based system it can be a little tricky.  Let a distro do it 
the first time.  gdisk is easier to use than parted.

No, you don't need a FAT partition, but you do need a small (1 MB) grub 
partition. Keep ALL boundaries aligned with even MB to avoid possible 
problems.

   -- Bruce



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