RE: Building LFS using jhlfs
So what exactly was the answer, because there isn't one in the reply. Here's what it comes down to: We need a system, that has: Kernel, drivers, sound support, networking etc. bash x windows, the smallest window manager available, which we can opt not to use. smb ftp client wget mono gtk-Sharp that's it, the total install should be around 150mb. -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Dubbs Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:08 PM To: LFS Support List Subject: Re: Building LFS using jhlfs Jacob Alifrangis wrote: Ok, so before I ask anything let me introduce myself: My name is Jacob Alifrangis and I am the Chief Architect at Braindonors Networks, and I am starting a new project that we to run on linux, but all of the distributions out there have oodles of bloatware on them and we really don't need the garbage that comes with them, so we decided to build our own distribution. And here's where we get stuck, there's nothing out there that is really easy to build; you'd figure that after 15 plus years of linux being around, that someone, somewhere would get it, and build a tool to build a linux environment. Then we found LFS, downloaded it, and sighed in dismay. So here's the question: Where is the damn Step-By-Step Guide? LFS *is* a step by step guide. We put in a lot of effort to do that. You have to understand that LFS is not a distro in the classic form, it is a book that describes how to build a Linux system. Build LFS Configure using the Menu Download file from wget http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/downloads/6.4/LFS-BOOK-6.4-wget-li st then mkdir sources cd sources wget -i ../LFS-BOOK-6.4-wget-list make [fails] Creating Makefile... START LFS/master.sh: line 382: cd: ./Build-LFS/jhalfs/lfs-commands: No such file or directory jhalfs 2.3.2 exit jhalfs was a tool used by the LFS editors to extract the commands from the book and build a system. There have been many changes over the years to the book and jhalfs does not have a formal system of releases. That said, the development version of jhalfs in subversion does do a decent job in building the current book. By the way, the current version of LFS is 6.8. The 6.4 version of the book was released in November 2008. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
RE: Building LFS using jhlfs
Oh yeah, and the build HAS to be reproducible. I.E. if we make a change, we should be able to something like this: cd /xyz/source make then run our packaging script. It should be really simple, and it's stunning that this doesn't exist. -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Jacob Alifrangis Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:37 AM To: LFS Support List Subject: RE: Building LFS using jhlfs So what exactly was the answer, because there isn't one in the reply. Here's what it comes down to: We need a system, that has: Kernel, drivers, sound support, networking etc. bash x windows, the smallest window manager available, which we can opt not to use. smb ftp client wget mono gtk-Sharp that's it, the total install should be around 150mb. -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Dubbs Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:08 PM To: LFS Support List Subject: Re: Building LFS using jhlfs Jacob Alifrangis wrote: Ok, so before I ask anything let me introduce myself: My name is Jacob Alifrangis and I am the Chief Architect at Braindonors Networks, and I am starting a new project that we to run on linux, but all of the distributions out there have oodles of bloatware on them and we really don't need the garbage that comes with them, so we decided to build our own distribution. And here's where we get stuck, there's nothing out there that is really easy to build; you'd figure that after 15 plus years of linux being around, that someone, somewhere would get it, and build a tool to build a linux environment. Then we found LFS, downloaded it, and sighed in dismay. So here's the question: Where is the damn Step-By-Step Guide? LFS *is* a step by step guide. We put in a lot of effort to do that. You have to understand that LFS is not a distro in the classic form, it is a book that describes how to build a Linux system. Build LFS Configure using the Menu Download file from wget http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/downloads/6.4/LFS-BOOK-6.4-wget-li st then mkdir sources cd sources wget -i ../LFS-BOOK-6.4-wget-list make [fails] Creating Makefile... START LFS/master.sh: line 382: cd: ./Build-LFS/jhalfs/lfs-commands: No such file or directory jhalfs 2.3.2 exit jhalfs was a tool used by the LFS editors to extract the commands from the book and build a system. There have been many changes over the years to the book and jhalfs does not have a formal system of releases. That said, the development version of jhalfs in subversion does do a decent job in building the current book. By the way, the current version of LFS is 6.8. The 6.4 version of the book was released in November 2008. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Building LFS using jhlfs
Hello Jacob, Oh yeah, and the build HAS to be reproducible. I.E. if we make a change, we should be able to something like this: cd /xyz/source make then run our packaging script. It should be really simple, and it's stunning that this doesn't exist. it seems you want a ready-to-go Embedded Linux SDK plus support. Maybe you're in the wrong place here. Mathias -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
RE: Building LFS using jhlfs
No, we don't need embedded anything, this is desktop. So youre telling me there is no way that LFS can be used to build the requirements below in a reproducible fashion? I think then, that this project should be called something other than LFS, maybe: sometimes it works, but we don't guarantee that it will work or do what we say. -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Mathias Huber Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:01 AM To: lfs-support@linuxfromscratch.org Subject: Re: Building LFS using jhlfs Hello Jacob, Oh yeah, and the build HAS to be reproducible. I.E. if we make a change, we should be able to something like this: cd /xyz/source make then run our packaging script. It should be really simple, and it's stunning that this doesn't exist. it seems you want a ready-to-go Embedded Linux SDK plus support. Maybe you're in the wrong place here. Mathias -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Building LFS using jhlfs
LFS is a book you follow to make the distro yourself. Ergo, if you want those. Download the packages and build them on your own. LFS isn't really meant to be a, here run this script and it will build a whole functioning system for you, kind of setup. It's meant to teach people HOW to build a system from nothing but source code and a host system. You are also using an out of date version of the book. 6.8 is the latest try following that. http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/ That is version 6.8 online. Sent from my iPod On Sep 29, 2011, at 13:47, Jacob Alifrangis jalifran...@braindonors.net wrote: Oh yeah, and the build HAS to be reproducible. I.E. if we make a change, we should be able to something like this: cd /xyz/source make then run our packaging script. It should be really simple, and it's stunning that this doesn't exist. -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Jacob Alifrangis Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:37 AM To: LFS Support List Subject: RE: Building LFS using jhlfs So what exactly was the answer, because there isn't one in the reply. Here's what it comes down to: We need a system, that has: Kernel, drivers, sound support, networking etc. bash x windows, the smallest window manager available, which we can opt not to use. smb ftp client wget mono gtk-Sharp that's it, the total install should be around 150mb. -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Dubbs Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:08 PM To: LFS Support List Subject: Re: Building LFS using jhlfs Jacob Alifrangis wrote: Ok, so before I ask anything let me introduce myself: My name is Jacob Alifrangis and I am the Chief Architect at Braindonors Networks, and I am starting a new project that we to run on linux, but all of the distributions out there have oodles of bloatware on them and we really don't need the garbage that comes with them, so we decided to build our own distribution. And here's where we get stuck, there's nothing out there that is really easy to build; you'd figure that after 15 plus years of linux being around, that someone, somewhere would get it, and build a tool to build a linux environment. Then we found LFS, downloaded it, and sighed in dismay. So here's the question: Where is the damn Step-By-Step Guide? LFS *is* a step by step guide. We put in a lot of effort to do that. You have to understand that LFS is not a distro in the classic form, it is a book that describes how to build a Linux system. Build LFS Configure using the Menu Download file from wget http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/downloads/6.4/LFS-BOOK-6.4-wget-li st then mkdir sources cd sources wget -i ../LFS-BOOK-6.4-wget-list make [fails] Creating Makefile... START LFS/master.sh: line 382: cd: ./Build-LFS/jhalfs/lfs-commands: No such file or directory jhalfs 2.3.2 exit jhalfs was a tool used by the LFS editors to extract the commands from the book and build a system. There have been many changes over the years to the book and jhalfs does not have a formal system of releases. That said, the development version of jhalfs in subversion does do a decent job in building the current book. By the way, the current version of LFS is 6.8. The 6.4 version of the book was released in November 2008. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Building LFS using jhlfs
It works as long as you have the needed packages installed already. Sent from my iPod On Sep 29, 2011, at 14:06, Jacob Alifrangis jalifran...@braindonors.net wrote: No, we don't need embedded anything, this is desktop. So youre telling me there is no way that LFS can be used to build the requirements below in a reproducible fashion? I think then, that this project should be called something other than LFS, maybe: sometimes it works, but we don't guarantee that it will work or do what we say. -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Mathias Huber Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:01 AM To: lfs-support@linuxfromscratch.org Subject: Re: Building LFS using jhlfs Hello Jacob, Oh yeah, and the build HAS to be reproducible. I.E. if we make a change, we should be able to something like this: cd /xyz/source make then run our packaging script. It should be really simple, and it's stunning that this doesn't exist. it seems you want a ready-to-go Embedded Linux SDK plus support. Maybe you're in the wrong place here. Mathias -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
RE: Building LFS using jhlfs
Ok, I'll give it another whack, but it really seems that there should be something better to build a system that works. -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Dustin Essington Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:07 AM To: LFS Support List Subject: Re: Building LFS using jhlfs LFS is a book you follow to make the distro yourself. Ergo, if you want those. Download the packages and build them on your own. LFS isn't really meant to be a, here run this script and it will build a whole functioning system for you, kind of setup. It's meant to teach people HOW to build a system from nothing but source code and a host system. You are also using an out of date version of the book. 6.8 is the latest try following that. http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/ That is version 6.8 online. Sent from my iPod On Sep 29, 2011, at 13:47, Jacob Alifrangis jalifran...@braindonors.net wrote: Oh yeah, and the build HAS to be reproducible. I.E. if we make a change, we should be able to something like this: cd /xyz/source make then run our packaging script. It should be really simple, and it's stunning that this doesn't exist. -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Jacob Alifrangis Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:37 AM To: LFS Support List Subject: RE: Building LFS using jhlfs So what exactly was the answer, because there isn't one in the reply. Here's what it comes down to: We need a system, that has: Kernel, drivers, sound support, networking etc. bash x windows, the smallest window manager available, which we can opt not to use. smb ftp client wget mono gtk-Sharp that's it, the total install should be around 150mb. -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Dubbs Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:08 PM To: LFS Support List Subject: Re: Building LFS using jhlfs Jacob Alifrangis wrote: Ok, so before I ask anything let me introduce myself: My name is Jacob Alifrangis and I am the Chief Architect at Braindonors Networks, and I am starting a new project that we to run on linux, but all of the distributions out there have oodles of bloatware on them and we really don't need the garbage that comes with them, so we decided to build our own distribution. And here's where we get stuck, there's nothing out there that is really easy to build; you'd figure that after 15 plus years of linux being around, that someone, somewhere would get it, and build a tool to build a linux environment. Then we found LFS, downloaded it, and sighed in dismay. So here's the question: Where is the damn Step-By-Step Guide? LFS *is* a step by step guide. We put in a lot of effort to do that. You have to understand that LFS is not a distro in the classic form, it is a book that describes how to build a Linux system. Build LFS Configure using the Menu Download file from wget http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/downloads/6.4/LFS-BOOK-6.4-wget-l i st then mkdir sources cd sources wget -i ../LFS-BOOK-6.4-wget-list make [fails] Creating Makefile... START LFS/master.sh: line 382: cd: ./Build-LFS/jhalfs/lfs-commands: No such file or directory jhalfs 2.3.2 exit jhalfs was a tool used by the LFS editors to extract the commands from the book and build a system. There have been many changes over the years to the book and jhalfs does not have a formal system of releases. That said, the development version of jhalfs in subversion does do a decent job in building the current book. By the way, the current version of LFS is 6.8. The 6.4 version of the book was released in November 2008. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
RE: Building LFS using jhlfs
And where is the list or script that checks for that? -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Dustin Essington Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:08 AM To: LFS Support List Subject: Re: Building LFS using jhlfs It works as long as you have the needed packages installed already. Sent from my iPod On Sep 29, 2011, at 14:06, Jacob Alifrangis jalifran...@braindonors.net wrote: No, we don't need embedded anything, this is desktop. So youre telling me there is no way that LFS can be used to build the requirements below in a reproducible fashion? I think then, that this project should be called something other than LFS, maybe: sometimes it works, but we don't guarantee that it will work or do what we say. -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Mathias Huber Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:01 AM To: lfs-support@linuxfromscratch.org Subject: Re: Building LFS using jhlfs Hello Jacob, Oh yeah, and the build HAS to be reproducible. I.E. if we make a change, we should be able to something like this: cd /xyz/source make then run our packaging script. It should be really simple, and it's stunning that this doesn't exist. it seems you want a ready-to-go Embedded Linux SDK plus support. Maybe you're in the wrong place here. Mathias -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Building LFS using jhlfs
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:36:49 + Jacob Alifrangis jalifran...@braindonors.net wrote: So what exactly was the answer, because there isn't one in the reply. The exact answer is that LFS is a book made by humans, for humans and that there is no standardized way of feeding it to the machine. Jhalfs may work, but it is under no obligation to do so. That said, please keep in mind that making a workable distro is not exactly a walk in a park for people who haven't done that before and may take as little as 3 months or as much as two years, depending on what you want to put in it and who does it. Have you considered Damn Small Linux, or Puppy Linux or PLD? -- -Aleksandar Kuktin -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Building LFS using jhlfs
LFS owns up to everything they claim, but it requires a somewhat working knowledge of the command line and helps you through the process of building a system that suits your needs. If you take the time to learn you can build a custom system. Document your process and then script it out if you'd like. To say that your made because the cookbook doesn't come with a free lifetime supply of bread is a little weak don't you think? On Sep 29, 2011 2:07 PM, Dustin Essington aeta...@gmail.com wrote: LFS is a book you follow to make the distro yourself. Ergo, if you want those. Download the packages and build them on your own. LFS isn't really meant to be a, here run this script and it will build a whole functioning system for you, kind of setup. It's meant to teach people HOW to build a system from nothing but source code and a host system. You are also using an out of date version of the book. 6.8 is the latest try following that. http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/ That is version 6.8 online. Sent from my iPod On Sep 29, 2011, at 13:47, Jacob Alifrangis jalifran...@braindonors.net wrote: Oh yeah, and the build HAS to be reproducible. I.E. if we make a change, we should be able to something like this: cd /xyz/source make then run our packaging script. It should be really simple, and it's stunning that this doesn't exist. -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Jacob Alifrangis Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:37 AM To: LFS Support List Subject: RE: Building LFS using jhlfs So what exactly was the answer, because there isn't one in the reply. Here's what it comes down to: We need a system, that has: Kernel, drivers, sound support, networking etc. bash x windows, the smallest window manager available, which we can opt not to use. smb ftp client wget mono gtk-Sharp that's it, the total install should be around 150mb. -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Dubbs Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:08 PM To: LFS Support List Subject: Re: Building LFS using jhlfs Jacob Alifrangis wrote: Ok, so before I ask anything let me introduce myself: My name is Jacob Alifrangis and I am the Chief Architect at Braindonors Networks, and I am starting a new project that we to run on linux, but all of the distributions out there have oodles of bloatware on them and we really don't need the garbage that comes with them, so we decided to build our own distribution. And here's where we get stuck, there's nothing out there that is really easy to build; you'd figure that after 15 plus years of linux being around, that someone, somewhere would get it, and build a tool to build a linux environment. Then we found LFS, downloaded it, and sighed in dismay. So here's the question: Where is the damn Step-By-Step Guide? LFS *is* a step by step guide. We put in a lot of effort to do that. You have to understand that LFS is not a distro in the classic form, it is a book that describes how to build a Linux system. Build LFS Configure using the Menu Download file from wget http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/downloads/6.4/LFS-BOOK-6.4-wget-li st then mkdir sources cd sources wget -i ../LFS-BOOK-6.4-wget-list make [fails] Creating Makefile... START LFS/master.sh: line 382: cd: ./Build-LFS/jhalfs/lfs-commands: No such file or directory jhalfs 2.3.2 exit jhalfs was a tool used by the LFS editors to extract the commands from the book and build a system. There have been many changes over the years to the book and jhalfs does not have a formal system of releases. That said, the development version of jhalfs in subversion does do a decent job in building the current book. By the way, the current version of LFS is 6.8. The 6.4 version of the book was released in November 2008. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
RE: Building LFS using jhlfs
Ok, fine, but that's not really the point. I have looked at DSL and Puppy, but we need to make customizations to the source, and these two are choc full of bloatware. -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Aleksandar Kuktin Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:08 AM To: lfs-support@linuxfromscratch.org Subject: Re: Building LFS using jhlfs On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:36:49 + Jacob Alifrangis jalifran...@braindonors.net wrote: So what exactly was the answer, because there isn't one in the reply. The exact answer is that LFS is a book made by humans, for humans and that there is no standardized way of feeding it to the machine. Jhalfs may work, but it is under no obligation to do so. That said, please keep in mind that making a workable distro is not exactly a walk in a park for people who haven't done that before and may take as little as 3 months or as much as two years, depending on what you want to put in it and who does it. Have you considered Damn Small Linux, or Puppy Linux or PLD? -- -Aleksandar Kuktin -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Building LFS using jhlfs
The host system requirements are in the book. Page vii in the preface. Sent from my iPod On Sep 29, 2011, at 14:08, Jacob Alifrangis jalifran...@braindonors.net wrote: And where is the list or script that checks for that? -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Dustin Essington Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:08 AM To: LFS Support List Subject: Re: Building LFS using jhlfs It works as long as you have the needed packages installed already. Sent from my iPod On Sep 29, 2011, at 14:06, Jacob Alifrangis jalifran...@braindonors.net wrote: No, we don't need embedded anything, this is desktop. So youre telling me there is no way that LFS can be used to build the requirements below in a reproducible fashion? I think then, that this project should be called something other than LFS, maybe: sometimes it works, but we don't guarantee that it will work or do what we say. -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Mathias Huber Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:01 AM To: lfs-support@linuxfromscratch.org Subject: Re: Building LFS using jhlfs Hello Jacob, Oh yeah, and the build HAS to be reproducible. I.E. if we make a change, we should be able to something like this: cd /xyz/source make then run our packaging script. It should be really simple, and it's stunning that this doesn't exist. it seems you want a ready-to-go Embedded Linux SDK plus support. Maybe you're in the wrong place here. Mathias -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
RE: Building LFS using jhlfs
I haven't seen any part of jhlfs that documents anything in a 1,2,3 fashion, only that there is a readme that is mangled and very un-clear, contains no instructions and has, it seems no way to indicate where to get required packages and / or tools. Here's how this system should really work: 1. Download and install jhlfs 2. Run command ./get-prerequisites 3. Run command ./configure-jhlfs 4. Run command ./get-sources 5. Run command ./build-jhlfs 6. Run command ./build-target 7. Write the target to disk 8. Boot the target It's not that hard. From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of John Fanjoy Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:11 AM To: LFS Support List Subject: Re: Building LFS using jhlfs LFS owns up to everything they claim, but it requires a somewhat working knowledge of the command line and helps you through the process of building a system that suits your needs. If you take the time to learn you can build a custom system. Document your process and then script it out if you'd like. To say that your made because the cookbook doesn't come with a free lifetime supply of bread is a little weak don't you think? On Sep 29, 2011 2:07 PM, Dustin Essington aeta...@gmail.commailto:aeta...@gmail.com wrote: LFS is a book you follow to make the distro yourself. Ergo, if you want those. Download the packages and build them on your own. LFS isn't really meant to be a, here run this script and it will build a whole functioning system for you, kind of setup. It's meant to teach people HOW to build a system from nothing but source code and a host system. You are also using an out of date version of the book. 6.8 is the latest try following that. http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/ That is version 6.8 online. Sent from my iPod On Sep 29, 2011, at 13:47, Jacob Alifrangis jalifran...@braindonors.netmailto:jalifran...@braindonors.net wrote: Oh yeah, and the build HAS to be reproducible. I.E. if we make a change, we should be able to something like this: cd /xyz/source make then run our packaging script. It should be really simple, and it's stunning that this doesn't exist. -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.orgmailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.orgmailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Jacob Alifrangis Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:37 AM To: LFS Support List Subject: RE: Building LFS using jhlfs So what exactly was the answer, because there isn't one in the reply. Here's what it comes down to: We need a system, that has: Kernel, drivers, sound support, networking etc. bash x windows, the smallest window manager available, which we can opt not to use. smb ftp client wget mono gtk-Sharp that's it, the total install should be around 150mb. -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.orgmailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.orgmailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Dubbs Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:08 PM To: LFS Support List Subject: Re: Building LFS using jhlfs Jacob Alifrangis wrote: Ok, so before I ask anything let me introduce myself: My name is Jacob Alifrangis and I am the Chief Architect at Braindonors Networks, and I am starting a new project that we to run on linux, but all of the distributions out there have oodles of bloatware on them and we really don't need the garbage that comes with them, so we decided to build our own distribution. And here's where we get stuck, there's nothing out there that is really easy to build; you'd figure that after 15 plus years of linux being around, that someone, somewhere would get it, and build a tool to build a linux environment. Then we found LFS, downloaded it, and sighed in dismay. So here's the question: Where is the damn Step-By-Step Guide? LFS *is* a step by step guide. We put in a lot of effort to do that. You have to understand that LFS is not a distro in the classic form, it is a book that describes how to build a Linux system. Build LFS Configure using the Menu Download file from wget http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/downloads/6.4/LFS-BOOK-6.4-wget-li st then mkdir sources cd sources wget -i ../LFS-BOOK-6.4-wget-list make [fails] Creating Makefile... START LFS/master.sh: line 382: cd: ./Build-LFS/jhalfs/lfs-commands: No such file or directory jhalfs 2.3.2 exit jhalfs was a tool used by the LFS editors to extract the commands from the book and build a system. There have been many changes over the years to the book and jhalfs does not have a formal system of releases. That said, the development version of jhalfs in subversion does do a decent job
RE: Building LFS using jhlfs
What book? The readme file? -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Dustin Essington Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:13 AM To: LFS Support List Subject: Re: Building LFS using jhlfs The host system requirements are in the book. Page vii in the preface. Sent from my iPod On Sep 29, 2011, at 14:08, Jacob Alifrangis jalifran...@braindonors.net wrote: And where is the list or script that checks for that? -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Dustin Essington Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:08 AM To: LFS Support List Subject: Re: Building LFS using jhlfs It works as long as you have the needed packages installed already. Sent from my iPod On Sep 29, 2011, at 14:06, Jacob Alifrangis jalifran...@braindonors.net wrote: No, we don't need embedded anything, this is desktop. So youre telling me there is no way that LFS can be used to build the requirements below in a reproducible fashion? I think then, that this project should be called something other than LFS, maybe: sometimes it works, but we don't guarantee that it will work or do what we say. -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Mathias Huber Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:01 AM To: lfs-support@linuxfromscratch.org Subject: Re: Building LFS using jhlfs Hello Jacob, Oh yeah, and the build HAS to be reproducible. I.E. if we make a change, we should be able to something like this: cd /xyz/source make then run our packaging script. It should be really simple, and it's stunning that this doesn't exist. it seems you want a ready-to-go Embedded Linux SDK plus support. Maybe you're in the wrong place here. Mathias -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Automated LFS build [was RE: Building LFS using jhlfs]
In 2009 I customized the LFS Live CD to build a bootable demonstration application. The Live CD includes makefiles that do the full build. You do a single make and hours later an .iso file pops out. The last release of the live CD corresponded to LFS 6.3. I updated the particular components I was using to the 6.4 level and I have a .tar.gz file of that if you want it. The Live CD make system is a little bit touchy but I have used it for other applications since and it's very effective. You do have to know how to handle the command line and chroot, though -- it's a bit fragile. Please feel free to contact me for details. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Building LFS using jhlfs
Well the wonderful thing about open source is that you can make your own contributions and improvements. I'm pretty sure that jhlfs was built with the impression that the users would have gone through the (Free) LFS book at least once. If you have never actually built Linux From Scratch, how can you expect to understand how to use something based solely on that concept. JHLFS pulls the commands from the book itself, which isn't perfect, but gives you a much better understanding of how these things fit together so that when problems do arise, you have a working understanding of the process and can solve issues on your own. The purpose of the book is to teach. An added benefit to that is a usable system which you can then customize to suit your needs. Take the time to learn and then you can automate your own process to suit your needs. Otherwise, If you aren't interested in the education, pay someone else to do the work for you. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Jacob Alifrangis jalifran...@braindonors.net wrote: What book? The readme file? -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Dustin Essington Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:13 AM To: LFS Support List Subject: Re: Building LFS using jhlfs The host system requirements are in the book. Page vii in the preface. Sent from my iPod On Sep 29, 2011, at 14:08, Jacob Alifrangis jalifran...@braindonors.net wrote: And where is the list or script that checks for that? -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Dustin Essington Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:08 AM To: LFS Support List Subject: Re: Building LFS using jhlfs It works as long as you have the needed packages installed already. Sent from my iPod On Sep 29, 2011, at 14:06, Jacob Alifrangis jalifran...@braindonors.net wrote: No, we don't need embedded anything, this is desktop. So youre telling me there is no way that LFS can be used to build the requirements below in a reproducible fashion? I think then, that this project should be called something other than LFS, maybe: sometimes it works, but we don't guarantee that it will work or do what we say. -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Mathias Huber Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:01 AM To: lfs-support@linuxfromscratch.org Subject: Re: Building LFS using jhlfs Hello Jacob, Oh yeah, and the build HAS to be reproducible. I.E. if we make a change, we should be able to something like this: cd /xyz/source make then run our packaging script. It should be really simple, and it's stunning that this doesn't exist. it seems you want a ready-to-go Embedded Linux SDK plus support. Maybe you're in the wrong place here. Mathias -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- John Fanjoy 908.455.8079 -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
RE: Automated LFS build [was RE: Building LFS using jhlfs]
I would really appreciate something like this, Can you email me offline at jalifran...@braindonors.net? thanks -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Robert A. Lerche Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:29 AM To: lfs-support@linuxfromscratch.org Subject: Automated LFS build [was RE: Building LFS using jhlfs] In 2009 I customized the LFS Live CD to build a bootable demonstration application. The Live CD includes makefiles that do the full build. You do a single make and hours later an .iso file pops out. The last release of the live CD corresponded to LFS 6.3. I updated the particular components I was using to the 6.4 level and I have a .tar.gz file of that if you want it. The Live CD make system is a little bit touchy but I have used it for other applications since and it's very effective. You do have to know how to handle the command line and chroot, though -- it's a bit fragile. Please feel free to contact me for details. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Building LFS using jhlfs
Jhlfs is out of date. If you want a step by step guide, go to http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/ And start reading. Sent from my iPod On Sep 29, 2011, at 14:15, Jacob Alifrangis jalifran...@braindonors.net wrote: I haven’t seen any part of jhlfs that documents anything in a 1,2,3 fashion, only that there is a readme that is mangled and very un-clear, contains no instructions and has, it seems no way to indicate where to get required packages and / or tools. Here’s how this system should really work: 1. Download and install jhlfs 2. Run command ./get-prerequisites 3. Run command ./configure-jhlfs 4. Run command ./get-sources 5. Run command ./build-jhlfs 6. Run command ./build-target 7. Write the target to disk 8. Boot the target It’s not that hard. From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of John Fanjoy Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:11 AM To: LFS Support List Subject: Re: Building LFS using jhlfs LFS owns up to everything they claim, but it requires a somewhat working knowledge of the command line and helps you through the process of building a system that suits your needs. If you take the time to learn you can build a custom system. Document your process and then script it out if you'd like. To say that your made because the cookbook doesn't come with a free lifetime supply of bread is a little weak don't you think? On Sep 29, 2011 2:07 PM, Dustin Essington aeta...@gmail.com wrote: LFS is a book you follow to make the distro yourself. Ergo, if you want those. Download the packages and build them on your own. LFS isn't really meant to be a, here run this script and it will build a whole functioning system for you, kind of setup. It's meant to teach people HOW to build a system from nothing but source code and a host system. You are also using an out of date version of the book. 6.8 is the latest try following that. http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/ That is version 6.8 online. Sent from my iPod On Sep 29, 2011, at 13:47, Jacob Alifrangis jalifran...@braindonors.net wrote: Oh yeah, and the build HAS to be reproducible. I.E. if we make a change, we should be able to something like this: cd /xyz/source make then run our packaging script. It should be really simple, and it's stunning that this doesn't exist. -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Jacob Alifrangis Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:37 AM To: LFS Support List Subject: RE: Building LFS using jhlfs So what exactly was the answer, because there isn't one in the reply. Here's what it comes down to: We need a system, that has: Kernel, drivers, sound support, networking etc. bash x windows, the smallest window manager available, which we can opt not to use. smb ftp client wget mono gtk-Sharp that's it, the total install should be around 150mb. -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Dubbs Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:08 PM To: LFS Support List Subject: Re: Building LFS using jhlfs Jacob Alifrangis wrote: Ok, so before I ask anything let me introduce myself: My name is Jacob Alifrangis and I am the Chief Architect at Braindonors Networks, and I am starting a new project that we to run on linux, but all of the distributions out there have oodles of bloatware on them and we really don't need the garbage that comes with them, so we decided to build our own distribution. And here's where we get stuck, there's nothing out there that is really easy to build; you'd figure that after 15 plus years of linux being around, that someone, somewhere would get it, and build a tool to build a linux environment. Then we found LFS, downloaded it, and sighed in dismay. So here's the question: Where is the damn Step-By-Step Guide? LFS *is* a step by step guide. We put in a lot of effort to do that. You have to understand that LFS is not a distro in the classic form, it is a book that describes how to build a Linux system. Build LFS Configure using the Menu Download file from wget http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/downloads/6.4/LFS-BOOK-6.4-wget-li st then mkdir sources cd sources wget -i ../LFS-BOOK-6.4-wget-list make [fails] Creating Makefile... START LFS/master.sh: line 382: cd: ./Build-LFS/jhalfs/lfs-commands: No such file or directory jhalfs 2.3.2 exit jhalfs was a tool used by the LFS editors to extract the commands from the book and build a system. There have been
RE: Building LFS using jhlfs
It should be really simple, and it's stunning that this doesn't exist. And So what exactly was the answer, because there isn't one in the reply. Do you have a reading comprehension problem? You asked for a step by step guide, LFS is one. You asked for a script giving reproducible result. The jhalfs script may suit your purpose but it is left to you as an exercise in giving reproducible results. Now would you at least give a try at reading the relevant information? Alain -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Building LFS using jhlfs
On 09/29/2011 02:15 PM, Jacob Alifrangis wrote: I haven't seen any part of jhlfs that documents anything in a 1,2,3 fashion, only that there is a readme that is mangled and very un-clear, contains no instructions and has, it seems no way to indicate where to get required packages and / or tools. Here's how this system should really work: 1.Download and install jhlfs 2.Run command ./get-prerequisites 3.Run command ./configure-jhlfs 4.Run command ./get-sources 5.Run command ./build-jhlfs 6.Run command ./build-target 7.Write the target to disk 8.Boot the target It's not that hard. Then do it. Maybe you can post the results here. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Building LFS using jhlfs
On 9/29/2011 1:15 PM, Jacob Alifrangis wrote: I haven’t seen any part of jhlfs that documents anything in a 1,2,3 fashion, only that there is a readme that is mangled and very un-clear, contains no instructions and has, it seems no way to indicate where to get required packages and / or tools. Here’s how this system should really work: 1.Download and install jhlfs 2.Run command ./get-prerequisites 3.Run command ./configure-jhlfs 4.Run command ./get-sources 5.Run command ./build-jhlfs 6.Run command ./build-target 7.Write the target to disk 8.Boot the target It’s not that hard. If it not that hard, why have you not done it, and gone away? You obviously have no intention of *helping* with the project, you just want something that others have done that will fill your needs. You *want* but are unwilling to *give*. More importantly, your demanding and rude tone is not a very good way to get support from anyone here in this community. You don't even follow the simple etiquette rules of not top-posting, and trimming the non-relevant information from your posts. You just make demands and wonder why it doesn't work for you. I'll try to explain in more detail what others have already tried to get across to you. Linux From Scratch is not a distro. It is a book, meant to be read by humans, so that the individual reading the book can gain a fundamental and working knowledge of how to build a Linux system from source code. Nothing more, nothing less. Individuals who attempt to build LFS should have a working knowledge of Linux and its command line utilities. They are also expected to read the book and follow it, to the letter. No deviation unless you are experienced and know what you are doing. JHalfs takes this one step further and attempts to automate the process of building the book, but *only the LFS book*. BLFS has never fully been supported. JHalfs was meant to be used by developers of LFS and very experienced users of LFS. You are neither. So you are at a tremendous disadvantage right off the bat. Additionally, the folks who maintain JHalfs are no longer involved in the project. It is statement of what a fine product JHalfs is in its inception that even unmaintained, it still works for folks who know how to use it (which is not you, obviously). Jacob Alifrangis also wrote in a separate post: I think then, that this project should be called something other than LFS, maybe: sometimes it works, but we don't guarantee that it will work or do what we say. And again, this is a real fine way for folks to reach out and try to help you. With the tone in the above sentence, it is hard to believe that so many folks did try to help you. Jacob Alifrangis also wrote in another separate post: We need a system, that has: Kernel, drivers, sound support, networking etc. bash x windows, the smallest window manager available, which we can opt not to use. smb ftp client wget mono gtk-Sharp that's it, the total install should be around 150mb. Well, even if you knew how to use JHalfs, and were willing to spend the few minutes to learn how to use it, it would not accomplish what you need. Your requirements contain parts of BLFS and some packages not included with BLFS. You would be totally on your own in creating such a system using the JHalfs tool. It would not be easy, and you would probably end up spending quite a bit of time using JHalfs to automate what you are looking for. I have scripts that do everything in your specifications and could combine them easily so that it would build those few packages in an automated fashion. I suggest you do the same. Best of luck. Regards, Randy -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Building LFS using jhlfs
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 05:36:49PM +, Jacob Alifrangis wrote: So what exactly was the answer, because there isn't one in the reply. Here's what it comes down to: We need a system, that has: Kernel, drivers, sound support, networking etc. bash x windows, the smallest window manager available, which we can opt not to use. smb ftp client wget mono gtk-Sharp that's it, the total install should be around 150mb. For many people, mono and gtk-sharp are unpleasant additions, and best described as bloat, and even offensive. Since you have no particular interest in understanding how the system is built, I suggest it will be far more productive for you to pick a distro that provides what you want. Then spend your time learning how to either customise the install or how to reliably remove what you don't want. I do have some difficulty envisaging how you will not use the window manager if you intend to use desktop programs, but that's not my problem. twm is probably the most minimal wm, and it is still maintained. For some of your other requirements, you will probably have to look at the dependencies of the software you are building. e.g. 'sound support' might include alsa, or (in closed-source software) perhaps oss, or various other things depending on what you are building, and what you want it to provide. If you are distributing the system you build, you also need to study the licenses. But all of this is irrelevant to LFS, so there is no point trying to discuss it here - I won't even ask you to not top-post, because I don't expect any reply. But, I'll still wish you the best of luck with developing your new system. ĸen -- das eine Mal als Tragödie, das andere Mal als Farce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Building LFS using jhlfs
Ok, so before I ask anything let me introduce myself: My name is Jacob Alifrangis and I am the Chief Architect at Braindonors Networks, and I am starting a new project that we to run on linux, but all of the distributions out there have oodles of bloatware on them and we really don't need the garbage that comes with them, so we decided to build our own distribution. And here's where we get stuck, there's nothing out there that is really easy to build; you'd figure that after 15 plus years of linux being around, that someone, somewhere would get it, and build a tool to build a linux environment. Then we found LFS, downloaded it, and sighed in dismay. So here's the question: Where is the damn Step-By-Step Guide? Build LFS Configure using the Menu Download file from wget http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/downloads/6.4/LFS-BOOK-6.4-wget-list then mkdir sources cd sources wget -i ../LFS-BOOK-6.4-wget-list make [fails] Creating Makefile... START LFS/master.sh: line 382: cd: ./Build-LFS/jhalfs/lfs-commands: No such file or directory jhalfs 2.3.2 exit make: *** [all] Error 1 -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Building LFS using jhlfs
Jacob Alifrangis wrote: Ok, so before I ask anything let me introduce myself: My name is Jacob Alifrangis and I am the Chief Architect at Braindonors Networks, and I am starting a new project that we to run on linux, but all of the distributions out there have oodles of bloatware on them and we really don't need the garbage that comes with them, so we decided to build our own distribution. And here's where we get stuck, there's nothing out there that is really easy to build; you'd figure that after 15 plus years of linux being around, that someone, somewhere would get it, and build a tool to build a linux environment. Then we found LFS, downloaded it, and sighed in dismay. So here's the question: Where is the damn Step-By-Step Guide? LFS *is* a step by step guide. We put in a lot of effort to do that. You have to understand that LFS is not a distro in the classic form, it is a book that describes how to build a Linux system. Build LFS Configure using the Menu Download file from wget http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/downloads/6.4/LFS-BOOK-6.4-wget-list then mkdir sources cd sources wget -i ../LFS-BOOK-6.4-wget-list make [fails] Creating Makefile... START LFS/master.sh: line 382: cd: ./Build-LFS/jhalfs/lfs-commands: No such file or directory jhalfs 2.3.2 exit jhalfs was a tool used by the LFS editors to extract the commands from the book and build a system. There have been many changes over the years to the book and jhalfs does not have a formal system of releases. That said, the development version of jhalfs in subversion does do a decent job in building the current book. By the way, the current version of LFS is 6.8. The 6.4 version of the book was released in November 2008. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
