Re: [liberationtech] when you are using Tor, Twitter will blocked your acc

2014-06-09 Thread Griffin Boyce

Jacob Appelbaum wrote:

It would be nice if Twitter was a bit more intelligent about Tor
usage. I wrote the BulkExitList feature on check.torproject.org for
Wikipedia. They ironically use it to block edits from Tor. Twitter
could use that export of data or a similar one to have a list of all
current (updated per hour with the network consensus) exit nodes and
then do something better than Wikipedia.


  It's a surprising omission, particularly in light of the recent 
high-profile censorship of Twitter and other services enacted in Turkey. 
 It also doesn't seem to be a particularly intelligent algorithm -- 
reminds me a bit of banks' standard for suspicious card use (where 
suspicious simply means that you're traveling a lot).


  Let's think about this logically.  If someone were to break into my 
account, the first thing that they'd likely want to do is change my 
password.  Why is that the *only option* that Twitter allows when in 
this locked state?!


great, now twitter knows where I live =/
Griffin Boyce


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[liberationtech] Request: quantify how use of analog currency contributes to gov actions

2014-06-09 Thread Nathan Andrew Fain
I recently wrote an article discussing the use of a crypto currency as
a means to selectively divest from your governments actions [1].
Selective in that you can choose some to use fiat, and sometimes not.
Similar to how we selectively care about the environment by sometimes
recycling and sometimes not.

While withholding taxes is probably the most effective means of
divestment this is not really possible. but it seems to me that
avoiding using a USD, or NIS, somehow contributes to the reduction of
the economy size and currency base that can be watered through pumping
more paper into the supply. But I have little proof of this and would
be happy if someone could point me where to RTFM.

Until now in discussion I use two analogies to convince someone that
reducing paper currency supply effects gov action. 1: two trillion for
two US wars and near two trillion (much of it printed) for the recent
bailouts is not a coincidence. 2: there is a reason china and other
nations argue for an internationalized reserve currency instead of USD.

would be happy for comments or assistance in this debate


1.
https://medium.com/@cyphunk/use-a-crypto-currency-end-a-war-166816dc4f2
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Re: [liberationtech] when you are using Tor, Twitter will blocked your acc

2014-06-09 Thread Collin Anderson
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Griffin Boyce grif...@cryptolab.net
wrote:

   I'd recommend reaching out formally (perhaps to privacy@ ?) and
 proposing a whitelist or other special consideration for Tor users.  You've
 got the name recognition to pull it off and you actually work for Tor. =)


Better yet, share the experience and practices of Twitter's competitors;
they have a stake in circumvention, I don't think these changes are against
their economic interests. It has to be difficult balancing legitimate
security practices with not curtailing access. In addition to Google's
setup, I believe that Facebook either whitelists circumvention tools or,
after the first time that the user successful resets their password, flags
accounts and ignores such behavior subsequently.


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Re: [liberationtech] when you are using Tor, Twitter will blocked your acc

2014-06-09 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Sat, Jun 07, 2014 at 10:39:06AM +0100, Nariman Gharib wrote:
 what solution do you have for solve this problem?

Don't use Twitter.

Yes, I'm quite serious.  Twitter has clearly stated that they're delighted
to provide censorship-on-demand for any country that asks nicely:

http://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-censors-political-accounts-2014-5

and even some that don't ask nicely:


https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140521/08242627307/pakistan-internet-content-regulator-asks-twitter-to-take-down-blasphemous-search.shtml

and it's only going to get worse:


http://gigaom.com/2014/05/21/twitters-selective-censorship-of-tweets-may-be-the-best-option-but-its-still-censorship/

because Twitter wants to do business in those countries, like selling
data on users to advertisers:


http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/04/16/3427404/twitters-acquisition-of-gnip/

Consider: if Twitter is so ready, willing and able to cave in to these
demands, what possible reason is there to think that they won't give in
just as quickly to *other* demands -- like for a data dump on all the
users in a particular country or following particular accounts or using
particular tags, including their login history with IP addresses, OS
fingerprint, and everything else that they have on them?

To borrow a phrase, it's just...good business.

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Re: [liberationtech] when you are using Tor, Twitter will blocked your acc

2014-06-09 Thread Amin Sabeti
Rick, I think you delete the problem instead of solving it!




On 9 June 2014 11:30, Rich Kulawiec r...@gsp.org wrote:

 On Sat, Jun 07, 2014 at 10:39:06AM +0100, Nariman Gharib wrote:
  what solution do you have for solve this problem?

 Don't use Twitter.

 Yes, I'm quite serious.  Twitter has clearly stated that they're delighted
 to provide censorship-on-demand for any country that asks nicely:


 http://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-censors-political-accounts-2014-5

 and even some that don't ask nicely:


 https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140521/08242627307/pakistan-internet-content-regulator-asks-twitter-to-take-down-blasphemous-search.shtml

 and it's only going to get worse:


 http://gigaom.com/2014/05/21/twitters-selective-censorship-of-tweets-may-be-the-best-option-but-its-still-censorship/

 because Twitter wants to do business in those countries, like selling
 data on users to advertisers:


 http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/04/16/3427404/twitters-acquisition-of-gnip/

 Consider: if Twitter is so ready, willing and able to cave in to these
 demands, what possible reason is there to think that they won't give in
 just as quickly to *other* demands -- like for a data dump on all the
 users in a particular country or following particular accounts or using
 particular tags, including their login history with IP addresses, OS
 fingerprint, and everything else that they have on them?

 To borrow a phrase, it's just...good business.

 ---rsk
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Re: [liberationtech] when you are using Tor, Twitter will blocked your acc

2014-06-09 Thread Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
Well..

NOT using Twitter, Facebook, Google, etc. is not an option if you
really want to reach the masses. If it were feasible to keep being
even a minimally effective activist, and not just Yet Another Nano
Protester, it would be too easy.

The question, in my opinion, would then be how to use Twitter,
Facebook, Google, etc., in a manner that their apparent
unfriendliness towards free speech, privacy, liberty, is
reasonably mitigated, if not circumvented altogether.

The latter question is much harder. Good moment to remember Johann
Sebastian Bach's alleged last words: Life is Hard!

And, of course, like a good francophile, in closing, I drop a
quotation from Gilles Deleuze, which goes something like this: il
faut reterritorialize the establishment to subvert it!

Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato,

Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes
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On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 5:30 AM, Rich Kulawiec r...@gsp.org wrote:
 On Sat, Jun 07, 2014 at 10:39:06AM +0100, Nariman Gharib wrote:
 what solution do you have for solve this problem?

 Don't use Twitter.

 Yes, I'm quite serious.  Twitter has clearly stated that they're delighted
 to provide censorship-on-demand for any country that asks nicely:

 
 http://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-censors-political-accounts-2014-5

 and even some that don't ask nicely:

 
 https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140521/08242627307/pakistan-internet-content-regulator-asks-twitter-to-take-down-blasphemous-search.shtml

 and it's only going to get worse:

 
 http://gigaom.com/2014/05/21/twitters-selective-censorship-of-tweets-may-be-the-best-option-but-its-still-censorship/

 because Twitter wants to do business in those countries, like selling
 data on users to advertisers:

 
 http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/04/16/3427404/twitters-acquisition-of-gnip/

 Consider: if Twitter is so ready, willing and able to cave in to these
 demands, what possible reason is there to think that they won't give in
 just as quickly to *other* demands -- like for a data dump on all the
 users in a particular country or following particular accounts or using
 particular tags, including their login history with IP addresses, OS
 fingerprint, and everything else that they have on them?

 To borrow a phrase, it's just...good business.

 ---rsk
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Re: [liberationtech] Ecuador towards the pos-capitalism: copyleft politics

2014-06-09 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
Bernardo,

This and other news from Flok Society is inspiring. But I find it useful to 
force a critical perspective. Thus
* What actual policies is the national government of Ecuador taking 
that adopt Free/Libre Open Knowledge recommendations arising from this (and 
other, some continuing) process?

* Nations are complicated, and they do not really speak with one voice 
expressing one single interest. Ecuador has not shown itself to be exempt from 
this. Even as it allows for community enterprise, it also works to exploit its 
oil wealth. This raises the question: How are these economic and social forces 
to be reconciled? Is there to be more transparency and accountability for the 
oil industry's actions in the country? (Accountability could mean here 
something more than just announcing it. It could mean being subject to the 
popular will, and especially the will of those most affected. That will could 
be made manifest via modern means.)

Thanks
louis


On 09 Jun 2014, at 01:50, Bernardo Gutiérrez bernardobra...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 Hello you all. 
 
 Here you have the final press release of Quito Buen Conocer Summit. It is 
 been a fantastic experience, an amazing prototype for creating public policy 
 from open and copyleft paradigms. I have been inside from December. The 
 Summit was more a hackmeeting than an event, mixing experts and local 
 leaders, academic and amateurs. Langdon Winner, for example, said in his 
 twitter account, that it was the best summit he had ever been. This project 
 could serve as method for changing the economic matrix of capitalism. Ecuador 
 could be the first postcapitalist country in the world
 
 We have the press release also in Spanish. 
 
 http://pt.slideshare.net/floksociety/press-release-cumbre
 
 Video FLOK Doctrine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgTL1p1JEsk
 Hashtag: #buenconocer
 
 Best
 Bernardo
 
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[liberationtech] GlobalGiving - 2014 Summit on Social Media Online Giving

2014-06-09 Thread Yosem Companys
From: Robert Rosenthal n...@volunteermatch.org

Namaste from Nepal, everyone -

Early registration for the July 1-2 conference that I'm working with
GlobalGiving to produce is going well. If you have contacts in the NGO
community in India or South Asia, please feel free to share.

This event will be co-presented with Social Media For Nonprofits, and it
will definitely be filled with actionable insights to help NGOs in the
subcontinent to more effectively engage supporters and raise money online.

More details are at the link below, and feel free to reach out to me
directly if you have any questions!

www.globalgiving.org/summit-2014/

Warmly,
Robert Rosenthal
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Re: [liberationtech] when you are using Tor, Twitter will blocked your acc

2014-06-09 Thread Seth David Schoen
Griffin Boyce writes:

   I'd recommend reaching out formally (perhaps to privacy@ ?) and
 proposing a whitelist or other special consideration for Tor users.

It seems obviously crazy to me for Twitter to prevent people from
accessing it over Tor, both in light of widespread censorship of Twitter
on different networks and in light of governments' attempts to find out
where users of services are connecting from.

On the other hand, if a service is viewing anomalous originating IP
address as an indicator of compromise, then using Tor destroys that
information source.  For example, if Twitter whitelists Tor exit nodes
and says that connecting from them is never viewed as suspicious, then
anybody who knows this and compromises a Twitter user's account can
just use the stolen account over Tor and never get detected or blocked.

I guess there are some people who try to compromise Twitter accounts
who wouldn't learn about this policy and take advantage of it, but
that seems like a significant assumption.  So, should Twitter just
stop enforcing the compromise detection entirely when users connect
via anonymity services?  It seems like that would significantly
undermine the compromise detection.

One alternative idea is to have a flag on people's accounts that says
OK to connect via anonymity services; then a question is how people
can get that flag (ideally, without getting the account blocked even
once) and how someone who hijacks an account can be prevented from
setting the flag maliciously.

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Re: [liberationtech] when you are using Tor, Twitter will blocked your acc

2014-06-09 Thread Tom Ritter
On 9 June 2014 12:06, Seth David Schoen sch...@eff.org wrote:

 Griffin Boyce writes:

I'd recommend reaching out formally (perhaps to privacy@ ?) and
  proposing a whitelist or other special consideration for Tor users.

 It seems obviously crazy to me for Twitter to prevent people from
 accessing it over Tor, both in light of widespread censorship of Twitter
 on different networks and in light of governments' attempts to find out
 where users of services are connecting from.

 On the other hand, if a service is viewing anomalous originating IP
 address as an indicator of compromise, then using Tor destroys that
 information source.  For example, if Twitter whitelists Tor exit nodes
 and says that connecting from them is never viewed as suspicious, then
 anybody who knows this and compromises a Twitter user's account can
 just use the stolen account over Tor and never get detected or blocked.

 I guess there are some people who try to compromise Twitter accounts
 who wouldn't learn about this policy and take advantage of it, but
 that seems like a significant assumption.  So, should Twitter just
 stop enforcing the compromise detection entirely when users connect
 via anonymity services?  It seems like that would significantly
 undermine the compromise detection.

 One alternative idea is to have a flag on people's accounts that says
 OK to connect via anonymity services; then a question is how people
 can get that flag (ideally, without getting the account blocked even
 once) and how someone who hijacks an account can be prevented from
 setting the flag maliciously.


Excellent email talking about the tradeoffs and problems with just treating
Tor as always-legitimate all-the-time.

FWIW, Mike Hearn has talked a little bit about Google's process (as of a
few years ago) with generic anonymizing networks (like Tor, which I will
use interchangably), and it was roughly, login with Tor, do an extra
verification step, and your account is flagged as 'Tor friendly' and you
don't need to do that again.

Twitter requires an email.  My thought would be that logins via Tor and
other anonymity networks need to use 2FA.  Either the Code Generator, SMS,
or email-click-a-link.  Either that, or require it on first Tor-login, and
flag the account as not needing it going forward.

-tom
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[liberationtech] Use GNU social or similar as static-IP Twitter-proxy (was: when you are using Tor, Twitter will blocked your acc)

2014-06-09 Thread Mikael Nordfeldth

2014-06-08 23:58 skrev Jacob Appelbaum:

I've had my twiter account locked half a dozen times (web client,
using Tails) in the last few weeks. It seems to be some new security
heuristic where one is still able to login to change the password but
the account is locked from generating new public (or DM) events.

It is a super annoying security feature to say the least.


It's easily solved by simply not connecting to their service by first-hand. Use 
a proxy or something similar and this problem will go away. Personally I was 
using a GNU social instance as sort of a Twitter proxy (posting, importing, 
replying) until I felt it was time to delete the Twitter account entirely.

Besides GNU social (previously StatusNet, it was running in identi.ca) there's 
a couple of other alternatives, one of which is Friendica. These software - 
besides being fully libre and open source - are actually full-blown federating 
social networks which easily replace many features from the proprietary 
networks.

But maybe, as the argument usually goes must be where everyone else are, 
these free social softwares might act best as a simple static-IP-proxy for tweeting. 
Benefits are:
  1) Not tracked as easily using IP-based methods.
  2) If using tracking countermeasures, not banned as often. ;)
  3) You can decide yourself to set it up as, say, a Tor hidden service.

Considering how I believe very few on this list actually trust Twitter 
(nowadays at least), I figured it would be good to introduce the mentioned 
non-replacing alternatives.

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Re: [liberationtech] when you are using Tor, Twitter will blocked your acc

2014-06-09 Thread Griffin Boyce

Seth David Schoen wrote:

It seems obviously crazy to me for Twitter to prevent people from
accessing it over Tor, both in light of widespread censorship of 
Twitter

on different networks and in light of governments' attempts to find out
where users of services are connecting from.


  Yes, agreed.  I have to wonder what the origin of this sudden policy 
is.  And, is it a policy directed at anonymous users?  Or is it just 
certain IPs being marked as malicious and blacklisted?



On the other hand, if a service is viewing anomalous originating IP
address as an indicator of compromise, then using Tor destroys that
information source.  For example, if Twitter whitelists Tor exit nodes
and says that connecting from them is never viewed as suspicious, then
anybody who knows this and compromises a Twitter user's account can
just use the stolen account over Tor and never get detected or blocked.


  Well a clearly this isn't a definitive this user is not up to 
anything bad setting, but rather they need a more holistic approach 
here.  Their policy here is very opaque.  But if the goal is to avoid 
automated activity (follow/unfollow/spam/messaging etc), then there are 
other approaches that could work just as well.


  Why not captcha these activities if the user comes from Tor or an 
identified proxy?  Is this a pain in the ass for users?  Yes.  Is it 
going to prevent them from expressing themselves anonymously online?  
No.


~Griffin
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Re: [liberationtech] when you are using Tor, Twitter will blocked your acc

2014-06-09 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 11:36:01AM +0100, Amin Sabeti wrote:
 Rick, I think you delete the problem instead of solving it!

I suspect that's because I have a different definition of the problem. ;)

Outsourcing your communications to a so-called social network whose
interests (a) diverge markedly from your own and (b) converge to a large
degree with corporations and governments is a fundamentally bad idea.

To explain:

Twitter does not exist to support your democratic movement or your
LGBT civil rights efforts or your literacy campaign or your environmental
initiative or your labor rights campaign or anything else.  Twitter exists
to make money.  The same is true of Facebook and all the rest.

You're not a customer of any of these operations.  You're the product.

http://computerfloss.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/facebook-and-you.jpg

You're thus of no more concern to them than the 8,274th can of beans
being loaded onto a truck at a warehouse.  You are a non-factor.
You are irrelvant and expendable.  Their concerns are directed at
(a) their customers, who make them money and (b) the governments of the
countries where they operate, who can cost them money.  (Please see
links I provided for background on these two points.)  Their customers
and various governments wield money, power and influence; you wield: nothing.

Why would you even *consider*, for even a moment, trying to make
them an important part (or any part) of your communication strategy?

So from my chair, that's not just a bad idea.  It's a really bad idea.

Now I know some people will say but but but  I'm not very responsive
to that.  There was a perfectly usable, fine Internet before Twitter
and Facebook and all the others.  There will be one afterwards, too.
There were vastly better ways to communicate; there are and will be
those as well.

But rule #1 should be and must be: do it yourself.  Don't outsource any
part of it to anyone.  Because when you do, you're subjecting *your*
communications to *their* whims, necessities, business needs, profit
motives, regulations, board of directors, shareholders, security holes,
executive decisions, privacy breaches, government-mandated backdoors
and censorship, contracts, court orders, and everyone/everything else.

That might, if you're very lucky, work out okay for you anyway.

But it's not the way to bet.

---rsk

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[liberationtech] Wicker: Déjà vu all over again

2014-06-09 Thread Yosem Companys
Wickr is back in the news in spectacular form:

http://www.inc.com/magazine/201407/ceo-of-wickr-leads-social-media-resistance-movement.html

...despite known security problems we've discussed on the list before:

https://mailman.stanford.edu/pipermail/liberationtech/2012-June/004239.html

Seems as though we need better tactics to share with journalists our
impressions about security.

YC
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Re: [liberationtech] when you are using Tor, Twitter will blocked your acc

2014-06-09 Thread Seth
I'm in agreement with pretty much all the points made, but how do you feel  
this approach?


1) ALWAYS publish the original source information via  
freedom/privacy/dignity respecting services using a name-space (a DNS  
domain,.onion,.gnu,.i2p,namecoin,whatever) that you control.


2) Syndicate a copy of that information to the CSW (Corporate Surveillance  
Whore) networks such as Google/Facebook/Twitter to obtain the widest reach.


3) Ease out of the CSW networks as your home grown following reaches  
critical mass.


-Seth

On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 16:10:55 -0700, Rich Kulawiec r...@gsp.org wrote:


On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 11:36:01AM +0100, Amin Sabeti wrote:

Rick, I think you delete the problem instead of solving it!


I suspect that's because I have a different definition of the problem. ;)

Outsourcing your communications to a so-called social network whose
interests (a) diverge markedly from your own and (b) converge to a large
degree with corporations and governments is a fundamentally bad idea.

To explain:

Twitter does not exist to support your democratic movement or your
LGBT civil rights efforts or your literacy campaign or your environmental
initiative or your labor rights campaign or anything else.  Twitter  
exists

to make money.  The same is true of Facebook and all the rest.

You're not a customer of any of these operations.  You're the product.

http://computerfloss.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/facebook-and-you.jpg

You're thus of no more concern to them than the 8,274th can of beans
being loaded onto a truck at a warehouse.  You are a non-factor.
You are irrelvant and expendable.  Their concerns are directed at
(a) their customers, who make them money and (b) the governments of the
countries where they operate, who can cost them money.  (Please see
links I provided for background on these two points.)  Their customers
and various governments wield money, power and influence; you wield:  
nothing.


Why would you even *consider*, for even a moment, trying to make
them an important part (or any part) of your communication strategy?

So from my chair, that's not just a bad idea.  It's a really bad idea.

Now I know some people will say but but but  I'm not very  
responsive

to that.  There was a perfectly usable, fine Internet before Twitter
and Facebook and all the others.  There will be one afterwards, too.
There were vastly better ways to communicate; there are and will be
those as well.

But rule #1 should be and must be: do it yourself.  Don't outsource any
part of it to anyone.  Because when you do, you're subjecting *your*
communications to *their* whims, necessities, business needs, profit
motives, regulations, board of directors, shareholders, security holes,
executive decisions, privacy breaches, government-mandated backdoors
and censorship, contracts, court orders, and everyone/everything else.

That might, if you're very lucky, work out okay for you anyway.

But it's not the way to bet.

---rsk


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Re: [liberationtech] Wicker: Déjà vu all over again

2014-06-09 Thread Griffin Boyce
Hey Yosem!

  A good experiment might be to send out releases of factual security info to 
counteract the dubious press releases that all too often turn into dubious 
articles.  


Yosem Companys wrote:
Seems as though we need better tactics to share with journalists our
impressions about security.

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Re: [liberationtech] Wicker: Déjà vu all over again

2014-06-09 Thread Tony Arcieri
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Griffin Boyce grif...@cryptolab.net
wrote:

 A good experiment might be to send out releases of factual security info
 to counteract the dubious press releases that all too often turn into
 dubious articles.


I think it'd be pretty interesting for the cryptographic community to
produce some sort of resource for reporters on what tools are good and bad
and for what reasons.

Press releases seem like an interesting idea too, especially if there were
a one-tool-at-a-time approach where a group of people could review and
comment on each tool individually.

This would generate the kind of news cycle the tech press loves.
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