Re: [liberationtech] Should we start a new Stanford liberationtech-news list?

[elham gheytanchi]

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On Feb 19, 2017, at 8:33 PM, Cecilia Tanaka 
> wrote:

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017, at 1:19 AM, Yosem Companys 
> wrote:

We should tweet about Peru. Perhaps that could be our theme for the day?

​Yep, good idea!  :)

I'm in love with Peru's fight against corruption!  (* o *)  ow! <3​


​I was compiling some material about ​projects against corruption in politics 
because my list needs updates.  Some of the projects are dead now (RIP) and I 
am VERY interested in AI being used against corruption in my country.  Two 
interesting and very recent examples, but are not in English, sorry!  :P

(FR)  
http://www.lemonde.fr/chronique-des-communs/article/2017/02/11/une-carte-collaborative-de-la-corruption-en-france_5078252_5049504.html

(PT)  
http://link.estadao.com.br/noticias/inovacao,brasileiros-criam-robo-para-atacar-corrupcao,70001662349

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Re: [liberationtech] Should we start a new Stanford liberationtech-news list?

[Yosem Companys]

We should tweet about Peru. Perhaps that could be our theme for the day?

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 8:17 PM, Cecilia Tanaka 
wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 19, 2017, at 9:31 PM,  wrote:
>
>>
>> And hey Ceci! The script I posted also uses Tweepy. Check it out --
>> there is of course much more data that could be pulled, but I kept it
>> minimal, thinking that this is likely best for a plaintext summary.
>
>
> ​Thanks Rick!  Muuuaaah!  :*  <3
>
> I don't know what's happening today, but my Internet connection is
> oscillating a lot and I didn't verify several important things until now.
> I am having problems to install some apps and watch videos too.  I've lost
> SpaceX live cast and other cool stuff, snif!
> :'(
> ​  ​
>
> https://youtu.be/rUDLxFUMC9c
>
> ​Well, Ecuadorean elections were today too.  I confess I am worried about
> Assange's future.  :((
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/17/world/europe/julian-assan
> ge-ecuador-embassy.html​
>
> http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/02/ecuador-votes-crucial-
> general-elections-170219141200171.html
>
> https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/02/19/ecuador-electi
> on-amid-conservative-shift-in-latin-america-could-also-
> impact-julian-assanges-fate.html
>
> Moreno took the lead, but after the last USA's elections, I don't trust
> preliminary results anymore.
>
> I will search for voluntary help to fine tuning the code, dear.  If I try
> to code, Assange will probably be kicked from Ecuador and Trump will tweet
> the nuclear codes, ouch!  :P
>
> Kisses, take care!  :*
>
> c.
>
> PS:  -  Good travel, Yosem.  God bless you and your ways.  Yep, I have a
> very controversial relationship with my own faith and religions, but I
> still pray all the days asking protection to my loved ones and the rest of
> world.  Hope God exists and protects everyone, but take care, OK?  <3
>
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Re: [liberationtech] Should we start a new Stanford liberationtech-news list?

[Cecilia Tanaka]

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017, at 9:31 PM,  wrote:

>
> And hey Ceci! The script I posted also uses Tweepy. Check it out --
> there is of course much more data that could be pulled, but I kept it
> minimal, thinking that this is likely best for a plaintext summary.


​Thanks Rick!  Muuuaaah!  :*  <3

I don't know what's happening today, but my Internet connection is
oscillating a lot and I didn't verify several important things until now.
I am having problems to install some apps and watch videos too.  I've lost
SpaceX live cast and other cool stuff, snif!
:'(
​  ​

https://youtu.be/rUDLxFUMC9c

​Well, Ecuadorean elections were today too.  I confess I am worried about
Assange's future.  :((

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/17/world/europe/julian-
assange-ecuador-embassy.html​

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/02/ecuador-votes-crucial-
general-elections-170219141200171.html

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/02/19/ecuador-
election-amid-conservative-shift-in-latin-america-could-
also-impact-julian-assanges-fate.html

Moreno took the lead, but after the last USA's elections, I don't trust
preliminary results anymore.

I will search for voluntary help to fine tuning the code, dear.  If I try
to code, Assange will probably be kicked from Ecuador and Trump will tweet
the nuclear codes, ouch!  :P

Kisses, take care!  :*

c.

PS:  -  Good travel, Yosem.  God bless you and your ways.  Yep, I have a
very controversial relationship with my own faith and religions, but I
still pray all the days asking protection to my loved ones and the rest of
world.  Hope God exists and protects everyone, but take care, OK?  <3
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Re: [liberationtech] Facebook: Building Global Community - What's your response to Mark Zuckerberg?

[Yosem Companys]

Thanks, Rand, for your message. I am going on a business trip tomorrow, but
I will definitely read your proposal when I return.

In the meantime, I hope others in the list give you feedback. We have an
excellent history of vetting proposals and software code. You just have to
have a thick skin because people will be honest about all the gaps in your
proposed program.

Best,
Yosem

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Rand Strauss  wrote:

> Thanks for sharing the doc with the list, Yosem.  A shorter URL for the
> doc is:   http://bit.ly/political-sites 
> Your additions, corrections and suggestions are welcome.
> I just started adding a section to the doc for Wisdom Councils
> (crowdsourcing solutions).
>
> I don’t want to hijack the list, but I see movement-building as part of
> the old us-vs-them paradigm.  We need movements because there seems to be
> no other reliable way of bringing new ideas to a population and getting
> palpable political support. Marches and rallies that lead to winning
> elections are palpable.
>
> But what if there were a way? What if we invent one?
>
> I’ve designed one and have built most of it, but am a bit stuck. Rather
> than flood the list with my words, I wrote an intro in my blog, if you’re
> interested:
> http://blog.peoplecount.org/project/intro-to-political-
> power-and-accountability/
>
> Thanks,
> -Rand Strauss, Mountain View, CA
>
>
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Re: [liberationtech] Facebook: Building Global Community - What's your response to Mark Zuckerberg?

[Rand Strauss]

Thanks for sharing the doc with the list, Yosem.  A shorter URL for the doc is: 
  http://bit.ly/political-sites 
Your additions, corrections and suggestions are welcome.
I just started adding a section to the doc for Wisdom Councils (crowdsourcing 
solutions). 

I don’t want to hijack the list, but I see movement-building as part of the old 
us-vs-them paradigm.  We need movements because there seems to be no other 
reliable way of bringing new ideas to a population and getting palpable 
political support. Marches and rallies that lead to winning elections are 
palpable.

But what if there were a way? What if we invent one?

I’ve designed one and have built most of it, but am a bit stuck. Rather than 
flood the list with my words, I wrote an intro in my blog, if you’re interested:

http://blog.peoplecount.org/project/intro-to-political-power-and-accountability/
 


Thanks,
-Rand Strauss, Mountain View, CA

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Re: [liberationtech] Should we start a new Stanford liberationtech-news list?

[Yosem Companys]

Sounds good, Rick. Anyone want to volunteer to help Rick finetune his code?

Thanks,
Yosem

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 4:31 PM,  wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 04:36:02PM -0500, Thomas Delrue wrote:
>
>> On 02/19/2017 04:25 PM, Rick Valenzuela wrote:
>>
>>> and maybe the URL for the article linked within the tweet.
>>>
>>
>> Please consider santizing this (i.e. remove the redirection that first
>> hits twatter) so that they doesn't see that you click on/visit the link,
>> that would be good.
>> Plus, then people also immediately know where they'll be taken if they
>> click the link.
>>
>> Also, avoid HTML, prefer plaintext. Why dazzle them with style, when you
>> can dazzle them with substance?
>>
>
> Hi Thomas,
>
> I rewrote my script to do that; each tweet would be split into three
> lines: the tweet's URL, the tweet text and the expanded link contained
> within the tweet. For example:
>
> ```
> https://twitter.com/Liberationtech/status/833379727691886592
> The latest The Liberationtech Daily! https://t.co/WGRVUpKJUC
> http://paper.li/Liberationtech?edition_id=853a4330-f6cf-
> 11e6-89dc-0cc47a0d15fd
> ```
>
> I put it in a repo here: https://github.com/rveeblefetz
> er/libtech_days_tweets
>
> There is one issue: if the tweet is a retweet or reply, the expanded_url
> from the API's 'entities' shows a truncated short URL, like: https://t.co…
>
> And hey Ceci! The script I posted also uses Tweepy. Check it out --
> there is of course much more data that could be pulled, but I kept it
> minimal, thinking that this is likely best for a plaintext summary.
>
> Best,
> Rick
>
> --
> Rick Valenzuela
> Videojournalist
> Shanghai, China
>
> GPG: 0x054124ADD5644029
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[liberationtech] At Stanford, CTF Orientation Tomorrow - Web Security

[Yosem Companys]

From: Brad Girardeau 

Hi everyone!

Join us for our next Capture The Flag orientation session tomorrow! We'll
learn how to approach the web security challenges found in CTFs and also
prepare for the Boston Key Party CTF next weekend.

The session is *tomorrow 2/20 *at *3pm *in *Huang 305*. It'll be a great
way to get hands on experience with web security vulnerabilities, so bring
a laptop- plus there will be *pizza!* CS107 or equivalent experience is
recommended.
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Re: [liberationtech] Should we start a new Stanford liberationtech-news list?

[lists]

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 04:36:02PM -0500, Thomas Delrue wrote:

On 02/19/2017 04:25 PM, Rick Valenzuela wrote:

and maybe the URL for the article linked within the tweet.


Please consider santizing this (i.e. remove the redirection that first
hits twatter) so that they doesn't see that you click on/visit the link,
that would be good.
Plus, then people also immediately know where they'll be taken if they
click the link.

Also, avoid HTML, prefer plaintext. Why dazzle them with style, when you
can dazzle them with substance?


Hi Thomas,

I rewrote my script to do that; each tweet would be split into three
lines: the tweet's URL, the tweet text and the expanded link contained
within the tweet. For example:

```
https://twitter.com/Liberationtech/status/833379727691886592
The latest The Liberationtech Daily! https://t.co/WGRVUpKJUC
http://paper.li/Liberationtech?edition_id=853a4330-f6cf-11e6-89dc-0cc47a0d15fd
```

I put it in a repo here: https://github.com/rveeblefetzer/libtech_days_tweets

There is one issue: if the tweet is a retweet or reply, the expanded_url
from the API's 'entities' shows a truncated short URL, like: https://t.co…

And hey Ceci! The script I posted also uses Tweepy. Check it out --
there is of course much more data that could be pulled, but I kept it
minimal, thinking that this is likely best for a plaintext summary.

Best,
Rick

--
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Videojournalist
Shanghai, China

GPG: 0x054124ADD5644029
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Re: [liberationtech] Should we start a new Stanford liberationtech-news list?

[Andres Pacheco]

 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px 
#715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white 
!important; } Ah, the Amazon: it's a jungle down there! 
It takes about half the ~10-hr flight DFW-GRU to traverse it!
"Embrace of the Serpent" is a great movie, where quite a few languages are 
spoken: probably several indigenous amazonic languages (the great Brazilian 
anthropologist Darcy Ribeiro mentions there were over 1,000 language spoken 
there before the Europeans "discovered" the Americas), German, English, 
Spanish, Portuguese...

Another great movie: IXCANUL, in Mayan, from Guatemala 

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On Sunday, February 19, 2017, 3:37 PM, Cecilia Tanaka 
 wrote:

Hi Rick!  Loved your suggestion, thanks!  :*

Yesterday night, I asked some tips, informations and pratical suggestions in 
some groups, but had no many feedbacks yet.  I was searching for some apps and  
- wow! -  most of them want complete access to my account, password included.  
I bet there is some hidden clausule saying I am also donating my soul and all 
my body organs!  Ugh, ugh, ugh!  :P

One of my friends suggested I should code and create it, and sent me one of his 
experiences using tweepy.  

http://ocarneiro.github.io/ blog/2016_02_01-TwitterReach. html  (My friend, 
Otavio, is the lovely guy juggling!  :D)

http://tweepy.readthedocs.io/en/v3.5.0/getting_started.html#introduction

I am still talking with him, but unfortunately my "coding style"  (cof, cof!)  
is so very disastrous, so horrendous that almost became a legend among some 
Python groups.  When I try to code apparently I can summon Godzilla, Cthulhu, 
all the Four Horsemen of Apocalypse, but I can't make anything good...  There 
is a joke on another list which says the last time I tried to code, Trump won 
the elections, meh!  :(( 

Some years ago, when I told to a friend I was reading the Python Cookbook, he 
said:  -  "Hey, wasn't you a veggie?  Snakes taste good?  Which recipe you will 
cook?"  Uff, some North Americans still think we eat snakes and monkeys on 
South America and that Amazon Forest is nearby, on my backyard maybe...  :((
--- 
"Don't let anyone rob you of your imagination, your creativity, or your 
curiosity.  It's your place in the world; it's your life.  Go on and do all you 
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[liberationtech] Internet Governance in Belarus, 2016

[Mikhail Doroshevich]

Hello,

In August-September 2016, Estonian-based Baltic Internet Policy Initiative
conducted a pilot survey on the level of Belarusian public awareness
concerning some Internet Governance issues

More information:
http://e-belarus.org/article/internetgovernance2016.html


Best regards,
Mikhail Doroshevich
e-belarus.ORG
E: mailto:mikh...@e-belarus.org
U: e-belarus.org
B: i-policy.org / infopolicy.biz
T: @infopolicy

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Re: [liberationtech] Should we start a new Stanford liberationtech-news list?

[Yosem Companys]

Maybe the list subscribers could chime in on whether they liked the style
of the digest I sent earlier. It comes in html, but I converted to text,
and it seemed to work well. I'll send you a copy, Rick, offline.

Thanks,
Yosem

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 1:25 PM, Rick Valenzuela  wrote:

> Oh, IFTT could be a good, easy solution too; I haven't looked at IFTTT
> in a long time, but it should be easy to create a recipe for this.
> Are you happy with the output of the IFTT email from the recipe you're
> using?
>
> I would guess that for the mailing list, you might want only the tweet
> text, the specific tweet's URL (the short URL, the full URL and/or the
> display URL) and maybe the URL for the article linked within the tweet.
> That would be easy to isolate from the Python script.
>
> Also, are you looking for HTML to plop into the email, or only plaintext?
>
> Rick
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 12:57:26PM -0800, Yosem Companys wrote:
>
>> This is great, Rick. Thank you.
>>
>> Last night I found one called "If @user tweets, send me a daily mail" on
>> IFTTT, and that is the one I used today. But if we can do something better
>> than that, by all means!
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Yosem
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Rick Valenzuela 
>> wrote:
>>
>> What do you want the format to look like? You can pull out the data in
>>> JSON format, but the basic get writes out all the metadata associated
>>> with the tweet.
>>> I cobbled together a Python script here: https://gist.github.com/rveebl
>>> efetzer/0f65c6d9ebcee640f33d18f9585af03f
>>>
>>> (Note that you need to put in your own API/OAuth info)
>>>
>>> Right now it takes the last 10 tweets from the account and puts them
>>> into a text file as JSON. With a little more info, it could be written
>>> to parse that and output the details you need in the format you'd
>>> prefer.
>>> I could put this up in a repo, if others want to tweak and test it.
>>> Time's a little tight for me right now, but I can take a whack at it
>>> here and there.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rick Valenzuela
>>> Videojournalist
>>> Shanghai, China
>>>
>>> GPG: 0x054124ADD5644029
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 02:40:53PM -0800, Yosem Companys wrote:
>>>
>>> OK, so how about we create a digest of the day's Tweets on
 @Liberationtech
 and send them every morning? Then subscribers will receive one email a
 day
 and decide if any of the tweets are worth discussing.

 Does anyone know of a good app that does this? I've found a lot of apps
 online that claim to do so, but the majority are dead.

 Thanks,
 Yosem

 On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 4:21 PM, Andrés Pacheco 
 wrote:

 I'm all for more news, total, aren't we swamped with spam already as it

> is? So libre tech news from the twitter feed would help improve the
> ratio
> of spam to good stuff in our inbox.
>
> Tagging is for sissies and I assume this list is full of superduper
> smart
> techies nerds that don't need no stinking badges to filter classify
> sort
> autodeletearchivefile incoming email, oh god how much I miss now emacs
> mhmail, "la última Coca-Cola del desierto, or isn't it?
>
> BTW I'm unemployed starting 2 days gym now svdcresfy to join the
> resistance, drop me a live if you have something anywhere that you
> might
> think would interest me in the world of ICT4-dev-social/migrant/youth/
> anybody's
> Justice etc
>
> Regards | Saludos,
>
> Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
> 
>
> > On Feb 5, 2017, at 2:59 PM, José María Mateos 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 05, 2017 at 03:41:18PM +0100, carlo von lynX wrote:
> >>> - I'd rather have two mailing lists only: one for discussions (all
> >>> type   of discussions) and one for announcements. If everything
> goes
> >>> into the   same list, at least have the announcements clearly
> tagged
> >>> so they can   be easily filtered.
> >>
> >> Okay, but please start with a clone of the subscriptions
> >> so we don't have to manually subscribe both to recreate
> >> the status quo.
> >>
> >> Also, please put an automatic Reply-To: in the announcements
> >> that leads to the discussion list. I personally would still
> >> merge both streams into the same folder because I find it
> >> interesting whenever libtech people have a comment to add to
> >> a piece of news.
> >
> > Agree with this.
> >
> >>>   - An e-mail with news every 10 minutes may be too much. Wouldn't
> >>> it be   better to have a daily news digest of some sort? Then
> anyone
> >>> could   start a discussion based on it.
> >>
> >> I guess most of us absorb the "news" by just grasping what
> >> the subject line says, then decide what is worth digging
> >> into. A 

Re: [liberationtech] Should we start a new Stanford liberationtech-news list?

[Rick Valenzuela]

Oh, IFTT could be a good, easy solution too; I haven't looked at IFTTT
in a long time, but it should be easy to create a recipe for this. 


Are you happy with the output of the IFTT email from the recipe you're
using?

I would guess that for the mailing list, you might want only the tweet
text, the specific tweet's URL (the short URL, the full URL and/or the
display URL) and maybe the URL for the article linked within the tweet.
That would be easy to isolate from the Python script.

Also, are you looking for HTML to plop into the email, or only plaintext?

Rick

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 12:57:26PM -0800, Yosem Companys wrote:

This is great, Rick. Thank you.

Last night I found one called "If @user tweets, send me a daily mail" on
IFTTT, and that is the one I used today. But if we can do something better
than that, by all means!

Thanks,
Yosem

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Rick Valenzuela  wrote:


What do you want the format to look like? You can pull out the data in
JSON format, but the basic get writes out all the metadata associated
with the tweet.
I cobbled together a Python script here: https://gist.github.com/rveebl
efetzer/0f65c6d9ebcee640f33d18f9585af03f

(Note that you need to put in your own API/OAuth info)

Right now it takes the last 10 tweets from the account and puts them
into a text file as JSON. With a little more info, it could be written
to parse that and output the details you need in the format you'd
prefer.
I could put this up in a repo, if others want to tweak and test it.
Time's a little tight for me right now, but I can take a whack at it
here and there.

Best,
Rick

--
Rick Valenzuela
Videojournalist
Shanghai, China

GPG: 0x054124ADD5644029


On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 02:40:53PM -0800, Yosem Companys wrote:


OK, so how about we create a digest of the day's Tweets on @Liberationtech
and send them every morning? Then subscribers will receive one email a day
and decide if any of the tweets are worth discussing.

Does anyone know of a good app that does this? I've found a lot of apps
online that claim to do so, but the majority are dead.

Thanks,
Yosem

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 4:21 PM, Andrés Pacheco 
wrote:

I'm all for more news, total, aren't we swamped with spam already as it

is? So libre tech news from the twitter feed would help improve the ratio
of spam to good stuff in our inbox.

Tagging is for sissies and I assume this list is full of superduper smart
techies nerds that don't need no stinking badges to filter classify sort
autodeletearchivefile incoming email, oh god how much I miss now emacs
mhmail, "la última Coca-Cola del desierto, or isn't it?

BTW I'm unemployed starting 2 days gym now svdcresfy to join the
resistance, drop me a live if you have something anywhere that you might
think would interest me in the world of ICT4-dev-social/migrant/youth/
anybody's
Justice etc

Regards | Saludos,

Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes


> On Feb 5, 2017, at 2:59 PM, José María Mateos 
wrote:
>
> On Sun, Feb 05, 2017 at 03:41:18PM +0100, carlo von lynX wrote:
>>> - I'd rather have two mailing lists only: one for discussions (all
>>> type   of discussions) and one for announcements. If everything goes
>>> into the   same list, at least have the announcements clearly tagged
>>> so they can   be easily filtered.
>>
>> Okay, but please start with a clone of the subscriptions
>> so we don't have to manually subscribe both to recreate
>> the status quo.
>>
>> Also, please put an automatic Reply-To: in the announcements
>> that leads to the discussion list. I personally would still
>> merge both streams into the same folder because I find it
>> interesting whenever libtech people have a comment to add to
>> a piece of news.
>
> Agree with this.
>
>>>   - An e-mail with news every 10 minutes may be too much. Wouldn't
>>> it be   better to have a daily news digest of some sort? Then anyone
>>> could   start a discussion based on it.
>>
>> I guess most of us absorb the "news" by just grasping what
>> the subject line says, then decide what is worth digging
>> into. A digest format would impede that kind of fast absorption.
>> Anyone who prefers digests can still choose the digest feature
>> of the mailing list software... right?
>
> Yes, as long as the Twitter news is sent to a list that doesn't include
the discussions per se (or are flagged with a [Twitter] tag in the
subject
line so they can be filtered.)
>
> Cheers,
>
> JMM.
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Re: [liberationtech] Summer Soccer and Reading Camp for Children Affected by Hurricane Matthew in Haiti

[Yosem Companys]

Jean-Michel,

Your email does not have a tech component. We usually only accept emails on
the list about using technology to further the public good.

That said, we appreciate your letting us know about this wonderful
initiative.

Best of luck,
Yosem

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Jean-Michel Voltaire <
jean.michel.volta...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear All:
>
>
> As a DOJ Attorney, I subscribe to the philosophy that lawyers are social
> engineers and must contribute to their communities and society at large.
> That is why, every year, since 2010, I work with Reunion Sportive, a
> tax-exempt organization based in Maryland and Haiti, to organize a
> comprehensive Summer Soccer and Reading Camp for thousands of children and
> youths in Haiti.
>
>
> This year, the Summer Camp is more necessary, because Hurricane Matthew
> destroyed most of the homes in the area, leaving the children homeless and
> hopeless.  We plan to have 800 boys and 700 girls from ages 8-22 at the
> Camp from July 5 to September 3, 2017.
>
>
> At the Summer Camp, we keep the kids safe and engaged in sporting and
> academically enriching activities, as well as in providing them with
> healthy meals and an opportunity to interact with one another.
> Consequently, the Summer Camp gathers a maximum number of kids and youths
> in activities favorable to their socialization and fulfillment, and
> transmit to them strong values and discipline that would help them be
> better students and cope with the negative effects of the hurricane.
>
>
> I hope that you can support this effort and give hope to these children
> that are still traumatized by the hurricane.  Please make your donation
> safely on our website at www.RSHaiti.org
>
>
> Your gift will enable us to buy food, drinks, educational materials, and
> sport equipment (cleats, sneakers, balls, jerseys, ect) for the kids.  We
> also accept in-kind donations.
>
>
> Reunion Sportive d'Haiti, Inc.
>
> 501(c)(3) organization
>
> 903 Kennebec Avenue
>
> Takoma Park, MD 20912
>
> www.RSHaiti.org
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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Re: [liberationtech] Should we start a new Stanford liberationtech-news list?

[Rick Valenzuela]

What do you want the format to look like? You can pull out the data in
JSON format, but the basic get writes out all the metadata associated
with the tweet. 


I cobbled together a Python script here: 
https://gist.github.com/rveeblefetzer/0f65c6d9ebcee640f33d18f9585af03f

(Note that you need to put in your own API/OAuth info)

Right now it takes the last 10 tweets from the account and puts them
into a text file as JSON. With a little more info, it could be written
to parse that and output the details you need in the format you'd
prefer. 


I could put this up in a repo, if others want to tweak and test it.
Time's a little tight for me right now, but I can take a whack at it
here and there.

Best,
Rick

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Videojournalist
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GPG: 0x054124ADD5644029

On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 02:40:53PM -0800, Yosem Companys wrote:

OK, so how about we create a digest of the day's Tweets on @Liberationtech
and send them every morning? Then subscribers will receive one email a day
and decide if any of the tweets are worth discussing.

Does anyone know of a good app that does this? I've found a lot of apps
online that claim to do so, but the majority are dead.

Thanks,
Yosem

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 4:21 PM, Andrés Pacheco  wrote:


I'm all for more news, total, aren't we swamped with spam already as it
is? So libre tech news from the twitter feed would help improve the ratio
of spam to good stuff in our inbox.

Tagging is for sissies and I assume this list is full of superduper smart
techies nerds that don't need no stinking badges to filter classify sort
autodeletearchivefile incoming email, oh god how much I miss now emacs
mhmail, "la última Coca-Cola del desierto, or isn't it?

BTW I'm unemployed starting 2 days gym now svdcresfy to join the
resistance, drop me a live if you have something anywhere that you might
think would interest me in the world of ICT4-dev-social/migrant/youth/anybody's
Justice etc

Regards | Saludos,

Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes


> On Feb 5, 2017, at 2:59 PM, José María Mateos 
wrote:
>
> On Sun, Feb 05, 2017 at 03:41:18PM +0100, carlo von lynX wrote:
>>> - I'd rather have two mailing lists only: one for discussions (all
>>> type   of discussions) and one for announcements. If everything goes
>>> into the   same list, at least have the announcements clearly tagged
>>> so they can   be easily filtered.
>>
>> Okay, but please start with a clone of the subscriptions
>> so we don't have to manually subscribe both to recreate
>> the status quo.
>>
>> Also, please put an automatic Reply-To: in the announcements
>> that leads to the discussion list. I personally would still
>> merge both streams into the same folder because I find it
>> interesting whenever libtech people have a comment to add to
>> a piece of news.
>
> Agree with this.
>
>>>   - An e-mail with news every 10 minutes may be too much. Wouldn't
>>> it be   better to have a daily news digest of some sort? Then anyone
>>> could   start a discussion based on it.
>>
>> I guess most of us absorb the "news" by just grasping what
>> the subject line says, then decide what is worth digging
>> into. A digest format would impede that kind of fast absorption.
>> Anyone who prefers digests can still choose the digest feature
>> of the mailing list software... right?
>
> Yes, as long as the Twitter news is sent to a list that doesn't include
the discussions per se (or are flagged with a [Twitter] tag in the subject
line so they can be filtered.)
>
> Cheers,
>
> JMM.
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[liberationtech] Summer Soccer and Reading Camp for Children Affected by Hurricane Matthew in Haiti

[Jean-Michel Voltaire]

Dear All: 

As a DOJ Attorney, I subscribe to the philosophy that lawyers are social 
engineers and must contribute to their communities and society at large.  That 
is why, every year, since 2010, I work with Reunion Sportive, a tax-exempt 
organization based in Maryland and Haiti, to organize a comprehensive Summer 
Soccer and Reading Camp for thousands of children and youths in Haiti.  

This year, the Summer Camp is more necessary, because Hurricane Matthew 
destroyed most of the homes in the area, leaving the children homeless and 
hopeless.  We plan to have 800 boys and 700 girls from ages 8-22 at the Camp 
from July 5 to September 3, 2017. 

At the Summer Camp, we keep the kids safe and engaged in sporting and 
academically enriching activities, as well as in providing them with healthy 
meals and an opportunity to interact with one another.  Consequently, the 
Summer Camp gathers a maximum number of kids and youths in activities favorable 
to their socialization and fulfillment, and transmit to them strong values and 
discipline that would help them be better students and cope with the negative 
effects of the hurricane.  

I hope that you can support this effort and give hope to these children that 
are still traumatized by the hurricane.  Please make your donation safely on 
our website at www.RSHaiti.org

Your gift will enable us to buy food, drinks, educational materials, and sport 
equipment (cleats, sneakers, balls, jerseys, ect) for the kids.  We also accept 
in-kind donations.  

Reunion Sportive d'Haiti, Inc.
501(c)(3) organization 
903 Kennebec Avenue
Takoma Park, MD 20912
www.RSHaiti.org
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[liberationtech] Fwd: Building Global Community - Mark Zuckerberg

[Cecilia Tanaka]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Cecilia Tanaka
Date: Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: Building Global Community - Mark Zuckerberg


Still feeding the thread, la la la...  :)

==

Facebook Plans to Rewire Your Life. Be Afraid.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-02-17/mark-zuck
erberg-s-manifesto-for-facebook-offers-a-social-dystopia

​==

Sunday's Fun Bonus, yay!  :D

Trump Ethics: A Jobs Program for Washington Lawyers

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-02-19/trump-
ethics-a-jobs-program-for-washington-lawyers​

No, it's *not* a fun post, but it's involuntarily funny to see the words
"Trump" and "Ethics" side by side, haha!!  It's like to read "honest
politician", hahaha!!  ;D

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you can with it, and make it the life you want to live."  -  Mae Jemison
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[liberationtech] Fwd: Building Global Community - Mark Zuckerberg

[Cecilia Tanaka]

Sharing my past messages to another list.

Wish you all a great Sunday  (and also a great sundae, if you like ice
cream!).  Take care!  <3

c.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Cecilia Tanaka
Date: Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 11:43 PM
Subject: Building Global Community - Mark Zuckerberg



*Building Global Community  -  Mark Zuckerberg*

https://www.facebook.com/notes/mark-zuckerberg/building-global-community/
10154544292806634

No, I am not giving my support, nor criticizing this post.  Yep, obviously
I loved the message, but I don't trust the sender.  There's something
strange screaming "It's A Trap!" very loud, guys.  :-/

https://youtu.be/4F4qzPbcFiA

There are lots of stories on Internet saying that Zuckerberg wants to be a
presidential candidate in the next elections.  He said is not an Atheist
anymore very recently and, well, everybody knows that the USA will never
elect an Atheist...  :P

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/01/03/mark-
zuckerberg-reveals-no-longer-atheist/

I respect a lot Atheist people, but I also respect a lot who believes in
God, Godesses, Prophets, Deities, etc, etc...  Mirimir is my imaginary
friend and I almost married under the blessings of the Flying Spaghetti
Monster  (it's serious, one of my best friends is a wise Pastafarian
"Minister"!),  so I can't complain about the other persons' imaginary
friends.  I just don't like religions and their eternal judgements...  The
FSM is very tolerant!  :P

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Re: [liberationtech] Facebook: Building Global Community - What's your response to Mark Zuckerberg?

[Shelley]

On February 19, 2017 11:57:23 AM Alberto Cammozzo  wrote:


There is a "privacy divide" emerging issue there.

Using FB may help to reach the masses, but some people (activists and
not) will never use a FB account and will be unreachable.
Same for Google: for instance, the link below to Google Docs is
unavailable with my privacy setting.

Some open source and selfhosted alternative to FB is listed here


Alberto


Thank you, Alberto.  For the link and for your comment.  I'm one who 
doesn't use Google and have never/ will never use Facebook.  Both are run 
by a corporate mindset and fiscal model that is openly and unapologetically 
hostile to anonymity and to the privacy of 'normal' users by design.  Their 
use poses an unthinkable risk to h/ac(k)tivists, especially in these times.


I thank Yosem for his suggestions as well.

Shelley



On 19/02/2017 20:36, Yosem Companys wrote:
> First of all, I want to commend Steven for all he has done over the
> years. He was a pioneer of e-democracy in the 1990s, when the Internet
> was a mere curiosity for most people. And Steven has worked arduously
> over the years to help foster e-democracy around the world. That is to
> be commended and thanked.
>
> That said, Thomas, you raise important points. If we look at the
> alternatives out there for grassroots organizing, they tend to be
> proprietary like NationBuilder. I do not know any open-source
> alternatives off hand.
>
> Please review Rand Strauss's list at
> 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Jz_X1ZVCtX2W3etsgjX5iCBylsMBPyUKD7I05ZF0FuI/edit.

> Kudos to Rand for putting the list together.
>
> If I want to look for good open-source solutions to start a movement
> and I'm not tech savvy, I need either someone to build it for me or I
> want it to be easily installed on a server.
>
> That is why Bram Wets' suggestions were so on point -- I repost them
> here in case you missed them:
>
> Idea 1:
> An idea list where the Liberationtech community can post ideas for
> projects, upvote (and downvote) them, put your name with an idea
> to contribute.
> This would facilitate your call for ideas/projects ;-)
> I actually like the format of software bugtracking. It maybe can
> be used for such an idea list. Or a github-like structure with
> pullrequests...
>
> Idea 2:
> An overview of tips, good practices, tools and apps for secure
> communication and digital privacy. And the organisations and
> platforms that work on this topic.
> Yes, there is a lot out there and some organizations already have
> done terrific work. So the focus has to be on the overview, not on
> doing all there work over again.
> Additionally we can add good practices in how to reach people and
> teach them those privacy tools.
>
>
> Just having a simple wiki of tools and people willing to help for free
> or a nominal fee would be a contribution. Being able to evaluate tools
> with up or down votes would also be a contribution.
>
> In the meantime, if you go to sites like Progressive Exchange, you
> will see that pretty much everyone recommends closed-source software
> with questionable security for online organizing. Putting all your
> activist friends on NationBuilder, for example, is a security risk. We
> don't know if NationBuilder under a different management team might be
> tempted or forced to give the entire list to the government for
> surveillance purposes.
>
> And Rick has outlined the risks of Facebook already, as Thomas writes,
> so I won't reiterate those. Maybe we need to build another Diaspora
> and this time build it right: open-source, best encryption,
> Napster-like one-to-one capabilities, hosting of data in servers in
> privacy-friendly regimes, ability to connect to the large social
> networking sites like Hootsuite for widespread dissemination,
> non-profit or at least cooperative status, and so on.
>
> If this is a project folks are interested in, we can start doing some
> research on what it should look like and look for funding sources to
> make it happen.
>
> Best,
> Yosem
>
> On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Thomas Delrue  > wrote:
>
> On 02/19/2017 01:46 PM, Al Billings wrote:
> > Someone remind me again what the alternatives are to Facebook that
> > are actually easy to use for "normal" users and which they will be
> > able to quickly sign up and use...
>
> Oh, and before I forget, why the need to "sign up"? Why is that a
> requirement? If you're doing something that at some point could be
> deemed subversive, why would you maintain a list of members of said
> activity/thinking that can easily be requisitioned or compromised?
>
> Why does everyone need everyone else to sign up and hand over
> information in order to use a simple website? Why does everyone
> want 

Re: [liberationtech] Facebook: Building Global Community - What's your response to Mark Zuckerberg?

[Robert W Gehl]

Hello, all --

This discussion is a good moment for me to seek feedback on a project of
mine, the Social Media Alternatives Project (S-MAP, available at
www.socialmediaalternatives.org). The project is meant to capture
screenshots and basic metadata about alternatives to Facebook and other
corporate social media.

It has a blog (a bit inactive now, but will pick up again soon), Omeka
archive, and bibliography.

I'd like feedback on the project, either on this list or off (to
rob...@robertwgehl.org).

The premise of the project is that these alternatives are just as worthy
of study as the mainstream corporate systems, and that they may provide
solutions to problems that this discussion of Facebook is revealing.

There are problems with the S-MAP: for one, I will have to buy a cert to
make it a secure site to protect visitors' privacy. I finally have the
funds to do so and will do so soon.

But a bigger problem is the labor of it. I'd love help: it's hard to
keep track of alternative projects. Many come online for a while and
then disappear. Some make a splash (ello, diaspora). But it's hard to
keep up. Perhaps there's a way to turn it into a more community-driven
archival project than what it is (somewhat a labor of love done by
myself and a PhD student at Utah)?

Again, feedback is welcome. I'm hoping the S-MAP could help groups such
as LibTech.

Regards,

Rob


On 02/19/2017 12:57 PM, Alberto Cammozzo wrote:
> There is a "privacy divide" emerging issue there.
> 
> Using FB may help to reach the masses, but some people (activists and
> not) will never use a FB account and will be unreachable.
> Same for Google: for instance, the link below to Google Docs is
> unavailable with my privacy setting.
> 
> Some open source and selfhosted alternative to FB is listed here
> 
> 
> Alberto
> 
> 
> On 19/02/2017 20:36, Yosem Companys wrote:
>> First of all, I want to commend Steven for all he has done over the
>> years. He was a pioneer of e-democracy in the 1990s, when the Internet
>> was a mere curiosity for most people. And Steven has worked arduously
>> over the years to help foster e-democracy around the world. That is to
>> be commended and thanked.
>>
>> That said, Thomas, you raise important points. If we look at the
>> alternatives out there for grassroots organizing, they tend to be
>> proprietary like NationBuilder. I do not know any open-source
>> alternatives off hand.
>>
>> Please review Rand Strauss's list at
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Jz_X1ZVCtX2W3etsgjX5iCBylsMBPyUKD7I05ZF0FuI/edit.
>> Kudos to Rand for putting the list together.
>>
>> If I want to look for good open-source solutions to start a movement
>> and I'm not tech savvy, I need either someone to build it for me or I
>> want it to be easily installed on a server.
>>
>> That is why Bram Wets' suggestions were so on point -- I repost them
>> here in case you missed them:
>>
>> Idea 1:
>> An idea list where the Liberationtech community can post ideas for
>> projects, upvote (and downvote) them, put your name with an idea
>> to contribute.
>> This would facilitate your call for ideas/projects ;-)
>> I actually like the format of software bugtracking. It maybe can
>> be used for such an idea list. Or a github-like structure with
>> pullrequests...
>>
>> Idea 2:
>> An overview of tips, good practices, tools and apps for secure
>> communication and digital privacy. And the organisations and
>> platforms that work on this topic.
>> Yes, there is a lot out there and some organizations already have
>> done terrific work. So the focus has to be on the overview, not on
>> doing all there work over again.
>> Additionally we can add good practices in how to reach people and
>> teach them those privacy tools.
>>
>>
>> Just having a simple wiki of tools and people willing to help for free
>> or a nominal fee would be a contribution. Being able to evaluate tools
>> with up or down votes would also be a contribution.
>>
>> In the meantime, if you go to sites like Progressive Exchange, you
>> will see that pretty much everyone recommends closed-source software
>> with questionable security for online organizing. Putting all your
>> activist friends on NationBuilder, for example, is a security risk. We
>> don't know if NationBuilder under a different management team might be
>> tempted or forced to give the entire list to the government for
>> surveillance purposes. 
>>
>> And Rick has outlined the risks of Facebook already, as Thomas writes,
>> so I won't reiterate those. Maybe we need to build another Diaspora
>> and this time build it right: open-source, best encryption,
>> Napster-like one-to-one capabilities, hosting of data in servers in
>> privacy-friendly regimes, ability to connect to the large social
>> networking sites like Hootsuite for widespread dissemination,
>> non-profit or at least 

Re: [liberationtech] Facebook: Building Global Community - What's your response to Mark Zuckerberg?

[Alberto Cammozzo]

There is a "privacy divide" emerging issue there.

Using FB may help to reach the masses, but some people (activists and
not) will never use a FB account and will be unreachable.
Same for Google: for instance, the link below to Google Docs is
unavailable with my privacy setting.

Some open source and selfhosted alternative to FB is listed here


Alberto


On 19/02/2017 20:36, Yosem Companys wrote:
> First of all, I want to commend Steven for all he has done over the
> years. He was a pioneer of e-democracy in the 1990s, when the Internet
> was a mere curiosity for most people. And Steven has worked arduously
> over the years to help foster e-democracy around the world. That is to
> be commended and thanked.
>
> That said, Thomas, you raise important points. If we look at the
> alternatives out there for grassroots organizing, they tend to be
> proprietary like NationBuilder. I do not know any open-source
> alternatives off hand.
>
> Please review Rand Strauss's list at
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Jz_X1ZVCtX2W3etsgjX5iCBylsMBPyUKD7I05ZF0FuI/edit.
> Kudos to Rand for putting the list together.
>
> If I want to look for good open-source solutions to start a movement
> and I'm not tech savvy, I need either someone to build it for me or I
> want it to be easily installed on a server.
>
> That is why Bram Wets' suggestions were so on point -- I repost them
> here in case you missed them:
>
> Idea 1:
> An idea list where the Liberationtech community can post ideas for
> projects, upvote (and downvote) them, put your name with an idea
> to contribute.
> This would facilitate your call for ideas/projects ;-)
> I actually like the format of software bugtracking. It maybe can
> be used for such an idea list. Or a github-like structure with
> pullrequests...
>
> Idea 2:
> An overview of tips, good practices, tools and apps for secure
> communication and digital privacy. And the organisations and
> platforms that work on this topic.
> Yes, there is a lot out there and some organizations already have
> done terrific work. So the focus has to be on the overview, not on
> doing all there work over again.
> Additionally we can add good practices in how to reach people and
> teach them those privacy tools.
>
>
> Just having a simple wiki of tools and people willing to help for free
> or a nominal fee would be a contribution. Being able to evaluate tools
> with up or down votes would also be a contribution.
>
> In the meantime, if you go to sites like Progressive Exchange, you
> will see that pretty much everyone recommends closed-source software
> with questionable security for online organizing. Putting all your
> activist friends on NationBuilder, for example, is a security risk. We
> don't know if NationBuilder under a different management team might be
> tempted or forced to give the entire list to the government for
> surveillance purposes. 
>
> And Rick has outlined the risks of Facebook already, as Thomas writes,
> so I won't reiterate those. Maybe we need to build another Diaspora
> and this time build it right: open-source, best encryption,
> Napster-like one-to-one capabilities, hosting of data in servers in
> privacy-friendly regimes, ability to connect to the large social
> networking sites like Hootsuite for widespread dissemination,
> non-profit or at least cooperative status, and so on.  
>
> If this is a project folks are interested in, we can start doing some
> research on what it should look like and look for funding sources to
> make it happen.
>
> Best,
> Yosem
>
> On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Thomas Delrue  > wrote:
>
> On 02/19/2017 01:46 PM, Al Billings wrote:
> > Someone remind me again what the alternatives are to Facebook that
> > are actually easy to use for "normal" users and which they will be
> > able to quickly sign up and use...
>
> Oh, and before I forget, why the need to "sign up"? Why is that a
> requirement? If you're doing something that at some point could be
> deemed subversive, why would you maintain a list of members of said
> activity/thinking that can easily be requisitioned or compromised?
>
> Why does everyone need everyone else to sign up and hand over
> information in order to use a simple website? Why does everyone
> want to
> lock up everything behind a login-wall?
>
> Maybe that's the big problem... Everyone thinks that you need to
> maintain a list of users and a login form in order to run a simple
> website...
>
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Re: [liberationtech] Facebook: Building Global Community - What's your response to Mark Zuckerberg?

[Thomas Delrue]

On 02/19/2017 02:36 PM, Yosem Companys wrote:
> Maybe we need to build another Diaspora and this time build it right:
> open-source, best encryption, Napster-like one-to-one capabilities,
> hosting of data in servers in privacy-friendly regimes, ability to
> connect to the large social networking sites like Hootsuite for 
> widespread dissemination, non-profit or at least cooperative status,
> and so on.
> 
> If this is a project folks are interested in, we can start doing
> some research on what it should look like and look for funding
> sources to make it happen.

I'll put my money where my mouth is: You got yourself a software
engineer and privacy zealot (the latter of which can work for /and/
against you - just sayin'...).

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Re: [liberationtech] Facebook: Building Global Community - What's your response to Mark Zuckerberg?

[Thomas Delrue]

On 02/19/2017 01:46 PM, Al Billings wrote:
> Someone remind me again what the alternatives are to Facebook that
> are actually easy to use for "normal" users and which they will be
> able to quickly sign up and use...

Oh, and before I forget, why the need to "sign up"? Why is that a
requirement? If you're doing something that at some point could be
deemed subversive, why would you maintain a list of members of said
activity/thinking that can easily be requisitioned or compromised?

Why does everyone need everyone else to sign up and hand over
information in order to use a simple website? Why does everyone want to
lock up everything behind a login-wall?

Maybe that's the big problem... Everyone thinks that you need to
maintain a list of users and a login form in order to run a simple
website...

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Re: [liberationtech] Facebook: Building Global Community - What's your response to Mark Zuckerberg?

[Al Billings]

Someone remind me again what the alternatives are to Facebook that are actually 
easy to use for "normal" users and which they will be able to quickly sign up 
and use...

If you say "Diaspora," I'm deleting your email because it isn't, not even a 
little, easy for normal folks to use nor does it have the abilities even a 
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Re: [liberationtech] Facebook: Building Global Community - What's your response to Mark Zuckerberg?

[Thomas Delrue]

On 02/19/2017 12:09 PM, Steven Clift wrote:
> Quickly now ... I've been building an open source-based, public
> creative commons structured, non-profit, members-supported
> citizens-based network for twenty-years.

I am not criticizing your efforts nor your goals, I am criticizing your
choice of technology and platform with and on which you choose to
organize and will (continue to) lambaste that particular choice.
That's a super-important distinction I would like to point out!

I've included a relevant mail from rsk -a member of and contributor to
this list- from back in 2014) to illustrate why using a surveillance
platform like facebook, google or twitter to organize is an /incredibly/
bad idea. I really recommend reading it.
Since you are in the space of citizen-movement and democracy and all,
you may at some point find yourself in the cross-hairs of an unfriendly
adversary, whether that is domestic or abroad, because you have or will
soon have the power to affect change in your area. When that moment
comes about, you'll regret having put your organization, your supporters
and yourself under total surveillance and basically having done your
adversary's work for them for free.

> Here is the sad truth:
>
> 1. The general public doesn't care ... enough anyway, they want online
> spaces that work for them - the more familiar the better

By using surveillance platforms, you (may) exclude people who REALLY
care about these things; you know, the zealots (like me?) you actually
want on your side.
I'd love to help you out & I think that what you're trying to accomplish
is valuable; but I don't allow any of my devices to talk to any entity
that is related to known surveillance platforms (I do a lot of blocking
on multiple levels and using a variety of technologies - the resemblance
to an arms-race does not need to be pointed out to me and is subject to
a separate discussion). So sadly, I can't help you out.

Secondly, by using surveillance platforms, you actively and explicitly
endanger the lives of those who you interact with on said platforms. I
refer to the included mail from rsk for a more detailed description of
this. (really, read it!)

Thirdly, you say that "the general public doesn't care enough" to be
compelled to go to a different URL than facebook (literally, that's what
we're talking about). That's a pretty low bar right there. But yet they
care enough about democracy to do 'something'?
Am I the only one who thinks there's a bit of discrepancy there? If they
won't follow you out of facebook, I'm pretty sure they won't follow you
anywhere.
You're either (a) not giving enough credit to this general public, (b)
you're deluded or (c) you're barking up the wrong tree/population.

If they care about democracy to be useful for your goals, I'm sure
clicking on a URL that brings them to a website that does NOT look like
FB won't put them off. If it does put them off, think carefully what
kind of supporters of your cause they are and whether or not having them
makes a difference.

I think the problem here is the organizer being 'a bit lazy' in setting
up (+ maintaining) something by himself.

> 2. People who support this model in theory don't donate, foundations
> mostly just give freedom lip service online or fund elites

I'm unclear about what you mean by "this model".

> 3. The technologists who could build out the open source tool we use
don't help

Welcome to liberationTech, where we discuss how we can help and what can
be done... Occasionally, we also talk about which approaches would be
'sub-optimal', like today.
As you point out: you use open source tools, you have access to the
source. That is what open source is about. You're not locked in to the
current maintainers/developers of the tool, in contrast to closed source
tools (like facebook, I might add).
I understand you and yours may not have the skill-set to modify said
source, but you can find & pay someone else to do it since you have
access to the source. Snap the source, modify it and redistribute it for
the good of humanity and your cause. You have the freedom to make the
tool (or a fork thereof) do what you need it to do.
I'm sure there are a couple of folks on this list who can help you out
with this.

> 4. The resistance by most people to signing up for anything new makes
> it almost impossible to serve new communities

See my response to #1, but their resistance to actively supporting
democracy is there, right? *That* is something they will do! A different
URL is a big no-no, but *doing something* is a definite YES?

> 5. The economic and social diversity of people we can reach via
> Facebook is far more inclusive than on our own platform

You are correct and it is a problem. And by continuing to use facebook,
you are part of the problem and are only making it bigger & bigger and
worse & worse. By continuing to use facebook, you are (unknowingly)
complicit in the very thing you're fighting (e.g. apathy, decrease in
democracy, etc.).
This is 

Re: [liberationtech] Facebook: Building Global Community - What's your response to Mark Zuckerberg?

[Yosem Companys]

Yep, that's the sad truth.

Yosem

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Steven Clift  wrote:
> Quickly now ... I've been building an open source-based, public
> creative commons structured, non-profit, members-supported
> citizens-based network for twenty-years.
>
> Here is the sad truth:
>
> 1. The general public doesn't care ... enough anyway, they want online
> spaces that work for them - the more familiar the better
> 2. People who support this model in theory don't donate, foundations
> mostly just give freedom lip service online or fund elites
> 3. The technologists who could build out the open source tool we use don't 
> help
> 4. The resistance by most people to signing up for anything new makes
> it almost impossible to serve new communities
> 5. The economic and social diversity of people we can reach via
> Facebook is far more inclusive than on our own platform
> 6. We do generate donations from our neighborhood participants, and
> much less so from our forums that are about political city and
> state-wide politics, but all the venture money in NextDoor and their
> gated community model is finally eroding our public model where we've
> been strongest (I'll take an "open" Facebook Group any day over the
> NextDoor connect all the wealthier homeowners model any day!)
>
> So, if you value the power people get in democracy from connecting
> with each other for two-way conversations, you need to reach them
> where they are.
>
> When it comes to Facebook, I've concluded that shaping it for good,
> for more local online group formation in public life (my big passion),
> will generate more democratic value than ignoring it.
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
> Steven Clift  -  Executive Director, E-Democracy.org
>cl...@e-democracy.org  -  +1 612 234 7072
>@democracy  -  http://linkedin.com/in/netclift
>http://1radionews.com - My radio app
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Yosem Companys  wrote:
>> I know. I agree.
>>
>> I have never been thrilled with Steven's selection of Facebook for
>> pro-democracy groups.
>>
>> To protect your privacy and security, stay off Facebook.
>>
>> But, to build movements, create an account on Facebook (or Twitter or any
>> other dominant centralized social network) and try to get as many people to
>> join.
>>
>> One vision we had on Diaspora was to create a HootSuite like app that would
>> integrate all of your social networking sites on one dashboard and enable
>> you to decide how public you wanted to be. You wanted to connect with a
>> friend? You could do it directly from your own server to your friend's own
>> server without an intermediary. You wanted to advertise something more
>> broadly on Facebook or Twitter? You could do that too. Unfortunately,
>> Diaspora never moved away from its pod focus to build a better HootSuite.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Cristina [efecto99] 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 17/02/17 17:24, Thomas Delrue wrote:
>>>
>>> On February 17, 2017 1:32:46 PM EST, Steven Clift 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I invite everyone to read and comment on Mark Zuckerberg's important
>>> "Building Global Community" letter:
>>>
>>>  https://www.facebook.com/groups/buildingglobalcommunity
>>>
>>> This is a special Facebook Group I've created to connect lots of
>>> disparate communities for a unified conversation that I will share
>>> with my contacts at Facebook.
>>>
>>> You'll find a link to his letter and posts organized by the five key
>>> questions Mark asks and posts to share media reports and more:
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/buildingglobalcommunity/permalink/502366400151315/
>>>
>>> Or jump straight to his letter: http://po.st/zuckglobal
>>>
>>> Also, while I don't have my first tele meeting with a foundation on
>>> this until next week, now seems like a good time to share
>>> E-Democracy's draft proposal for Local Civic Facebook Groups:
>>> http://po.st/civicfacebookgroupsgoogledoc
>>>
>>> Zuckerberg's letter highlights the absolutely vital role of "engaged
>>> leaders" creating "meaningful groups." E-Democracy's magic mix is
>>> supporting YOU - those leaders - in local communities working to
>>> create local community and civic life Facebook Groups that foster
>>> inclusive and supportive local online communities that foster civic
>>> engagement and informed communities. So, if you want to add your city
>>> to the list of the 22 cities with volunteer interest, email me -
>>> cl...@e-democracy.org - with "Civic Facebook Groups" in the subject
>>> line. We drafted most of this proposal in December, so we are ecstatic
>>> that Facebook's next mission is so well aligned with our scrappy work.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Steven Clift
>>> E-Democracy.org
>>>
>>> P.S. You can jump in deeper now (we are just getting started):
>>>
>>> "Facebook guy tells world it needs to use more Facebook or face bad
>>> times",  is that roughly the right summary of his 'insights' or