Re: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei
Thanks, Nicholas! That's the platform I was talking about! ;-) On May 19, 2013 9:59 PM, Nicholas Merrill li...@calyx.com wrote: It isn't that well known yet but there is a pirate party in New York state: http://nypirateparty.org/ -Nick On May 19, 2013, at 5:03 PM, André Rebentisch tabe...@gmail.com wrote: Am 18.05.2013 14:56, schrieb Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes: 2. Areas of the mesh where the saturation becomes overflow can easily generate candidates for elected office - school board, city council, state legislature, us congress. What would be the actual difference, and I do not mean the process. -- A -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei
Am 18.05.2013 14:56, schrieb Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes: 2. Areas of the mesh where the saturation becomes overflow can easily generate candidates for elected office - school board, city council, state legislature, us congress. What would be the actual difference, and I do not mean the process. -- A -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei
It isn't that well known yet but there is a pirate party in New York state: http://nypirateparty.org/ -Nick On May 19, 2013, at 5:03 PM, André Rebentisch tabe...@gmail.com wrote: Am 18.05.2013 14:56, schrieb Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes: 2. Areas of the mesh where the saturation becomes overflow can easily generate candidates for elected office - school board, city council, state legislature, us congress. What would be the actual difference, and I do not mean the process. -- A -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei
A Pirate Party do exist in Italy and it is particularly active in spreading the use of LiquidFeedback, the software platform developed to support the internal decision-making process of the German Pirate Party . In Italy LiquidFeedback has also been used to support online deliberation by several local groups of the MoVimento 5 Stelle (probably known outside Italy as as Beppe Grillo's movement). We have used it in large civic context, involving generic citizens, in occasion of the recent elections in the Lombardy region (http://lf.proposte.ambrosolilombardia2013.it/lqfb.php: it is in Italian, but at least for the menu you can select the English). The outcomes of this experience are quite interesting and we will present them in the ePart2013 conference http://www.epart-conference.org/. A member of the Pirate Party and myself have been asked to present the software (the pirate) and the above initiative (myself) to the IS office of the Italian Senate, that published last week a report on civic media in which LiquidFeedback is mentioned as one of the relevant software platforms. -- fiorella Fiorella De Cindio University of Milan Computer Science Department via Comelico 39/41 I20135 MILANO (Italy) tel. +39-02-5031 6288 (direct) 6327 (lab) email: fiorella.decin...@unimi.it http://eng.di.unimi.it/ecm/home/research/milan-laboratories/civic-informatics-laboratory a...@acm.org writes: Is there something like this in the US? [ http://www.piratenpartei.de/ ]http://www.piratenpartei.de/ It is sorely needed, -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei
fiorella, Thanks for the links to the events; I'd not been aware of them. I probably won't be able to participate in the conferences--geography not being as pliable as electrons are transmissible--but I'd be interested to read your paper. The question here was first asked about the inconceivability of the US having a pirate party. I had answered but didn't post; too long. But... I'm not a political scientist by training, but it occurs to me that in this case as in others, the US needs to be understood in terms of its vast size and economic depth. Change comes hard. That said, the US does have a history of counter-parties, i.e., more or less ephemeral political parties constituted by dissatisfaction with economic and social values and belief in preserving the community under pressure. More can be written on this; it's a paper for an academic journal, I seem to have begun. -louis On 2013-05-18, at 07:19 , fiorella de cindio fiorella.decin...@unimi.it wrote: A Pirate Party do exist in Italy and it is particularly active in spreading the use of LiquidFeedback, the software platform developed to support the internal decision-making process of the German Pirate Party . In Italy LiquidFeedback has also been used to support online deliberation by several local groups of the MoVimento 5 Stelle (probably known outside Italy as as Beppe Grillo's movement). We have used it in large civic context, involving generic citizens, in occasion of the recent elections in the Lombardy region (http://lf.proposte.ambrosolilombardia2013.it/lqfb.php: it is in Italian, but at least for the menu you can select the English). The outcomes of this experience are quite interesting and we will present them in the ePart2013 conference http://www.epart-conference.org/. A member of the Pirate Party and myself have been asked to present the software (the pirate) and the above initiative (myself) to the IS office of the Italian Senate, that published last week a report on civic media in which LiquidFeedback is mentioned as one of the relevant software platforms. -- fiorella Fiorella De Cindio University of Milan Computer Science Department via Comelico 39/41 I20135 MILANO (Italy) tel. +39-02-5031 6288 (direct) 6327 (lab) email: fiorella.decin...@unimi.it http://eng.di.unimi.it/ecm/home/research/milan-laboratories/civic-informatics-laboratory a...@acm.org writes: Is there something like this in the US? [ http://www.piratenpartei.de/ ]http://www.piratenpartei.de/ It is sorely needed, -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei
Well, I don't think so :-) let's not call it a Party, then.. 1. According to Internet census data, Internet adoption in the US is at saturation point. Hence, conditions are ripe for the emergence of a socio-political mesh network that expresses and amplifies the voice and concerns of citizens nationwide about local, national, and international issues. This is what's happening now (with little coordination, ans hence, less effectively) with the proliferation of petitions, Facebook pages, etc. One might argue that il faut change the protocol (how about socio-political BATMAN - better approach to ad Chocolates mesh networking;-) 2. Areas of the mesh where the saturation becomes overflow can easily generate candidates for elected office - school board, city council, state legislature, us congress. Out of the continuous activity of the mesh leaders would emerge naturally, much as for example a benedictine nun in Catalunya is now an international advocate for the indignados, independence of Barça's motherland (¡muera el traidor tránsfuga Guardiola! :-), and other important human rights and social justice causes. An interesting experiment in this meshing maybe Brazil's Rede de Sustentabilidade led by Marina Silva - nobody can say Brazil doesn't have vast size and economic depth.. Just food for thought.. On May 18, 2013 4:27 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: fiorella, Thanks for the links to the events; I'd not been aware of them. I probably won't be able to participate in the conferences--geography not being as pliable as electrons are transmissible--but I'd be interested to read your paper. The question here was first asked about the inconceivability of the US having a pirate party. I had answered but didn't post; too long. But... I'm not a political scientist by training, but it occurs to me that in this case as in others, the US needs to be understood in terms of its vast size and economic depth. Change comes hard. That said, the US does have a history of counter-parties, i.e., more or less ephemeral political parties constituted by dissatisfaction with economic and social values and belief in preserving the community under pressure. More can be written on this; it's a paper for an academic journal, I seem to have begun. -louis On 2013-05-18, at 07:19 , fiorella de cindio fiorella.decin...@unimi.it wrote: A Pirate Party do exist in Italy and it is particularly active in spreading the use of LiquidFeedback, the software platform developed to support the internal decision-making process of the German Pirate Party . In Italy LiquidFeedback has also been used to support online deliberation by several local groups of the MoVimento 5 Stelle (probably known outside Italy as as Beppe Grillo's movement). We have used it in large civic context, involving generic citizens, in occasion of the recent elections in the Lombardy region (http://lf.proposte.ambrosolilombardia2013.it/lqfb.php: it is in Italian, but at least for the menu you can select the English). The outcomes of this experience are quite interesting and we will present them in the ePart2013 conference http://www.epart-conference.org/. A member of the Pirate Party and myself have been asked to present the software (the pirate) and the above initiative (myself) to the IS office of the Italian Senate, that published last week a report on civic media in which LiquidFeedback is mentioned as one of the relevant software platforms. -- fiorella Fiorella De Cindio University of Milan Computer Science Department via Comelico 39/41 I20135 MILANO (Italy) tel. +39-02-5031 6288 (direct) 6327 (lab) email: fiorella.decin...@unimi.it http://eng.di.unimi.it/ecm/home/research/milan-laboratories/civic-informatics-laboratory a...@acm.org writes: Is there something like this in the US? [ http://www.piratenpartei.de/ ]http://www.piratenpartei.de/ It is sorely needed, -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:18:09PM +, andreas.ba...@nachtpult.de wrote: I am a Member of the Piraten in Germany. Let me answer with a question. Do you really think a party like that has a chance in the USA? Failure is default if you never try. -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei
We are unipolar: We have the best government that money can buy. Mark Twain On 05/16/2013 10:33 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote: This whole list, and many others, and we even have at least a martyr in Aaron Swartz, are for the tenets of the Swedish Pirate Party. So! What do we do? Sit on our BUTS, and not do something else in the political arena? Are we bipolar (either Republican or Democrat), or multipolar, as in diversity? That's the question :D Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (817) 271-9619 On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: Correction: 34 people now! :D XD LMFAO Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (817) 271-9619 On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: OK, that shows 33 people subscribed to the Pirate Party email list in Texas, where I live! :D (there are 38 people in the US congressional delegation of Texas..) Let's try a different angle! Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (817) 271-9619 On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Scott Elcomb pse...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: Is there something like this in the US? http://www.piratenpartei.de/ It's been awhile since last I looked in on the US Pirates - I should've before posting my earlier response. Anyway, I'm happy to see that it's growing; you can find them here: http://www.uspirates.org/ Best -- Scott Elcomb @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca / Github more Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ Member of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- === R. R. Brooks Associate Professor Holcombe Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Clemson University 313-C Riggs Hall PO Box 340915 Clemson, SC 29634-0915 USA Tel. 864-656-0920 Fax. 864-656-5910 email: r...@acm.org web: http://www.clemson.edu/~rrb -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
[liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei
Is there something like this in the US? http://www.piratenpartei.de/ It is sorely needed, IMNSHO -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei
I am a Member of the Piraten in Germany. Let me answer with a question. Do you really think a party like that has a chance in the USA? Diese Nachricht wurde Ihnen von meinem BlackBerry® von 11 gesendet. Bestellen Sie diesen Service unter www.1und1.de. -Original Message- From: Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com Sender: liberationtech-boun...@lists.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 17:11:48 To: liberationtechliberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Reply-To: a...@acm.org, liberationtech liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Subject: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: Is there something like this in the US? http://www.piratenpartei.de/ It is sorely needed, IMNSHO There is - we're in plenty of countries now http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Parties_International For more specific information, feel free to contact me offlist (or on Twitter) and I'll be happy to help you connect to a local group. Best regards, -- Scott Elcomb @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca / Github more Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ Member of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei
Considering that the Internet has at de-facto saturation point in the US, @80%+- penetration according to the Internet statistics bodyor something like that, and that there is a de-facto CARTEL in access, with really scary stuff happening at the Congress level regarding access, censorship, and control, I would say YES! In the US politics are either **very local** or **national**. The **very local** aspect is really underdeveloped, and that is where regular people live: the loci of predatory Telcos, BIG-EYE government, and BIG-DATA marketing conglomerates, both representing an interesting mixture of Discipline Societies and Control Societies, as depicted in Gilles Deleuze's Post-scriptum sur les sociétés de contrôle I take the opportunity to put in a very interesting link about the latter.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIus7lm_ZK0 Courtesy of Liquid Theory TV: [ Liquid Theory TV is a collaboration between Clare Birchall, Gary Hall and Peter Woodbridge designed to develop a series of IPTV programmes. (IPTV, in its broadest sense, stands for all those technologies which use computer networks to deliver audio-visual programming.) The idea behind the Liquid Theory TV project is to experiment with IPTVs potential for providing new ways of communicating intellectual ideas, easily and cheaply, both inside and outside of the university. We want to do so not so much in an effort to have an impact outside of the academy, be it economic, social or cultural; nor to connect with an increasingly media-literate audience that books supposedly cannot, or can no longer, reach. Rather we want to experiment with IPTV in order to explore the potential for different effectivities that different forms of communication have - to the extent of perhaps even leading us to conceive of what we do as academics, writers, artists, media theorists and philosophers differently (see Wise, 2006: 241). The second episode in the series takes as its focus Gilles Deleuzes short essay Postscript on the Societies of Control. While this episode is being made available for the first time in an issue of Culture Machine which has the theme of creative media; and while Liquid Theory TV could be described as a creative project, to the extent it is concerned with producing alternative, rival, or counter-desires to those currently dominant within much of society (at its simplest, a desire for philosophy or more broadly theory, rather than for the creations of Richard Branson, Simon Cowell or Rupert Murdoch, say), this does not mean that either the series, or this particular episode, should be regarded simply as an attempt to perform Deleuzes philosophy. The critical and interpretive aspects of scholarly work remain important to us here, even if they are being undertaken in a medium very different to the traditional academic journal article or book. Further episodes can be found athttp://liquidbooks.pbworks.com/New-Cu... or athttp://www.petewoodbridge.info/ ] Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (817) 271-9619 On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 5:18 PM, andreas.ba...@nachtpult.de wrote: I am a Member of the Piraten in Germany. Let me answer with a question. Do you really think a party like that has a chance in the USA? Diese Nachricht wurde Ihnen von meinem BlackBerry® von 11 gesendet. Bestellen Sie diesen Service unter www.1und1.de. -Original Message- From: Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com Sender: liberationtech-boun...@lists.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 17:11:48 To: liberationtechliberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Reply-To: a...@acm.org, liberationtech liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Subject: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: Is there something like this in the US? http://www.piratenpartei.de/ It's been awhile since last I looked in on the US Pirates - I should've before posting my earlier response. Anyway, I'm happy to see that it's growing; you can find them here: http://www.uspirates.org/ Best -- Scott Elcomb @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca / Github more Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ Member of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei
OK, that shows 33 people subscribed to the Pirate Party email list in Texas, where I live! :D (there are 38 people in the US congressional delegation of Texas..) Let's try a different angle! Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (817) 271-9619 On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Scott Elcomb pse...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: Is there something like this in the US? http://www.piratenpartei.de/ It's been awhile since last I looked in on the US Pirates - I should've before posting my earlier response. Anyway, I'm happy to see that it's growing; you can find them here: http://www.uspirates.org/ Best -- Scott Elcomb @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca / Github more Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ Member of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei
Correction: 34 people now! :D XD LMFAO Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (817) 271-9619 On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: OK, that shows 33 people subscribed to the Pirate Party email list in Texas, where I live! :D (there are 38 people in the US congressional delegation of Texas..) Let's try a different angle! Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (817) 271-9619 On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Scott Elcomb pse...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: Is there something like this in the US? http://www.piratenpartei.de/ It's been awhile since last I looked in on the US Pirates - I should've before posting my earlier response. Anyway, I'm happy to see that it's growing; you can find them here: http://www.uspirates.org/ Best -- Scott Elcomb @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca / Github more Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ Member of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei
This whole list, and many others, and we even have at least a martyr in Aaron Swartz, are for the tenets of the Swedish Pirate Party. So! What do we do? Sit on our BUTS, and not do something else in the political arena? Are we bipolar (either Republican or Democrat), or multipolar, as in diversity? That's the question :D Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (817) 271-9619 On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: Correction: 34 people now! :D XD LMFAO Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (817) 271-9619 On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: OK, that shows 33 people subscribed to the Pirate Party email list in Texas, where I live! :D (there are 38 people in the US congressional delegation of Texas..) Let's try a different angle! Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (817) 271-9619 On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Scott Elcomb pse...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: Is there something like this in the US? http://www.piratenpartei.de/ It's been awhile since last I looked in on the US Pirates - I should've before posting my earlier response. Anyway, I'm happy to see that it's growing; you can find them here: http://www.uspirates.org/ Best -- Scott Elcomb @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca / Github more Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ Member of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
