Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bacchanaly around Bug 81041

2014-07-30 Thread Joren DC

Hi Urmas,

I'm not going to discuss the content of the bug itself. I'd like to 
discuss some other things:


First of all: thanks for just bringing this to the list, instead of play 
cat and mouse in Bugzilla which result in a huge spam.


Secondly, I'm not sure how you even can ask for an official reply on an 
email where hard working volunteers and our total community are 
called/questioned as morons and faggots.


Kind regards,
Joren

Op 30-07-14 om 19:38 schreef Urmas:

Interesting things happen in LO QA community.

Instead of reading 4.3 release notes, as an adequate person would, Jay 
Philips in comment 15 starts being rude (and authoritative) to me, which I —knowing 
about the dreck open source generally attracts— can look over; but than he snitches me 
over to the moderator, which is unacceptable.
Fistly, is that 'person' going to excuse itself?,
Secondly, I would like to get an official response: is LO a project where the 
adequate and sane people work, and it is safe for normal people to interact 
with, or is it some Gnome-like community of 1½ faggots in a circle?
Providing a reputation of LO as a commercial-grade professional software, I 
would like to receive some explanations about faggots and snitches in its 
public-faced parts being the QA community.

Thanks.
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Re: is fdo#81113 a release blocker for 4.3.0?

2014-07-16 Thread Joren DC
Hi David,

Thanks for bringing this to the mailinglists.

op 16-07-14 16:01, David Tardon schreef:
 Hi all,

 Any opinions on $SUBJECT? The bug has got importance highest/critical;
 unfortunately it was triaged a day too late... Note that this is just
 one possible manifestation of the problem: the same misdetection (and
 failure to open the file) can happen whenever a remote file is opened.
 It depends on whether the file is detected before the Keynote filter is
 tried.
I had a little chat with David in the IRC:

(16:46:17) jorendc: dtardon: what file formats are affected do you think?
(16:46:29) jorendc: dtardon: depending on that it might be a blocker or
not (IMHO)
(16:47:00) dtardon: jorendc, i have no idea. any that would come after
keynote during the detection
(16:47:28) jorendc: dtardon: is there a chronological list where I can
see what comes after keynote detection?
(16:48:27) dtardon: jorendc, no, there isn't
(16:49:29) jorendc: dtardon: okay, I see. But I assume all ODF and other
common file formats (OOXML,...) are non affected? I'm struggling about
how many users'd be affected.
(16:49:46) jorendc: And the fact we still advice to use 4.3.0 version
for testing purpose
(16:49:55) jorendc: (very) early adopters
(16:50:05) dtardon: jorendc, these should be well before that

Little summary:
* As far I understand _most common_ file formats are not affected
* We clearly state that point .0 versions are for testing/(very) early
adopters only.

As far I'm concerned: don't block the release of 4.3.0 but make sure it
is in 4.3.1.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] is fdo#81113 a release blocker for 4.3.0?

2014-07-16 Thread Joren DC
Hi David,

Thanks for bringing this to the mailinglists.

op 16-07-14 16:01, David Tardon schreef:
 Hi all,

 Any opinions on $SUBJECT? The bug has got importance highest/critical;
 unfortunately it was triaged a day too late... Note that this is just
 one possible manifestation of the problem: the same misdetection (and
 failure to open the file) can happen whenever a remote file is opened.
 It depends on whether the file is detected before the Keynote filter is
 tried.
I had a little chat with David in the IRC:

(16:46:17) jorendc: dtardon: what file formats are affected do you think?
(16:46:29) jorendc: dtardon: depending on that it might be a blocker or
not (IMHO)
(16:47:00) dtardon: jorendc, i have no idea. any that would come after
keynote during the detection
(16:47:28) jorendc: dtardon: is there a chronological list where I can
see what comes after keynote detection?
(16:48:27) dtardon: jorendc, no, there isn't
(16:49:29) jorendc: dtardon: okay, I see. But I assume all ODF and other
common file formats (OOXML,...) are non affected? I'm struggling about
how many users'd be affected.
(16:49:46) jorendc: And the fact we still advice to use 4.3.0 version
for testing purpose
(16:49:55) jorendc: (very) early adopters
(16:50:05) dtardon: jorendc, these should be well before that

Little summary:
* As far I understand _most common_ file formats are not affected
* We clearly state that point .0 versions are for testing/(very) early
adopters only.

As far I'm concerned: don't block the release of 4.3.0 but make sure it
is in 4.3.1.

Kind regards,
Joren
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Re: Changes in SvgSvgNode::getSvgStyleAttributes()

2014-07-15 Thread Joren DC
Hi Regina, Tomaž, *


op 15-07-14 00:12, Regina Henschel schreef:
 It is shown correctly. The style definition selector fits to the
 element. Now put the rectangle into a group and define the style for
 the group.

 ?xml version=1.0 standalone=no?
 !DOCTYPE svg PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD SVG 1.1//EN
   http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/1.1/DTD/svg11.dtd;
 svg xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg; version=1.1
  width=10cm height=5cm viewBox=0 0 1000 500
   defs
 style type=text/css![CDATA[
   g {
 fill: red;
 stroke: blue;
 stroke-width: 3
   }
 ]]/style
   /defs
 g
   rect x=200 y=100 width=600 height=300/
 /g
 /svg

 This makes LO and AOO hang.
Following my backtrace it is caused here:
Program received signal SIGINT, Interrupt.
0x77baab2c in rtl_uString_ImplAlloc(int) () from
/home/joren/core/instdir/program/../ure-link/lib/libuno_sal.so.3
#0  0x77baab2c in rtl_uString_ImplAlloc(int) () from
/home/joren/core/instdir/program/../ure-link/lib/libuno_sal.so.3
#1  0x77bac25e in rtl_uString_newFromLiteral () from
/home/joren/core/instdir/program/../ure-link/lib/libuno_sal.so.3
#2  0x7fffcdea8f2d in
svgio::svgreader::SvgGNode::getSvgStyleAttributes() const () from
/home/joren/core/instdir/program/../program/libsvgiolo.so
#3  0x7fffcdeb3866 in
svgio::svgreader::SvgStyleAttributes::getParentStyle() const () from
/home/joren/core/instdir/program/../program/libsvgiolo.so

We can fix this hang on the same why I fixed fdo#78554, but now in
svggnode.cxx:

joren@jorenMint ~/core $ git diff
diff --git a/svgio/source/svgreader/svggnode.cxx
b/svgio/source/svgreader/svggno
index 82d3d5d..45fa6a3 100644
--- a/svgio/source/svgreader/svggnode.cxx
+++ b/svgio/source/svgreader/svggnode.cxx
@@ -43,7 +43,13 @@ namespace svgio
 
 const SvgStyleAttributes* SvgGNode::getSvgStyleAttributes() const
 {
-return checkForCssStyle(OUString(g), maSvgStyleAttributes);
+const SvgStyleAttributes* aCheckCssStyle =
checkForCssStyle(OUStrin
+const SvgStyleAttributes* aGetCssStyleParent =
maSvgStyleAttributes
+
+if (aGetCssStyleParent == NULL)
+return aCheckCssStyle;
+
+return aGetCssStyleParent;
 }

@Tomaž: we need a different way of accessing this StyleAttributes?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 4.3 RC Bug Hunting Session

2014-06-16 Thread Joren DC
Bug Hunting Session is June 20, 21 and 22 :-).
See you all by then!

Kind regards,
Joren

Joel Madero schreef op 16/06/14 17:57:
 Hi All!
 
 Well after our incredible showing with Beta 1 we're going a second round
 of bug hunting against 4.3 Release Candidate 1 to try to catch any
 lingering nasty regressions before release. Literally anyone can help
 and we encourage everyone to jump into the QA chat and see what it's all
 about.
 
 To join just download and install the RC when it becomes available:
 http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/
 
 Then . . . just run it, play around with it, do what you normally do
 with LibreOffice. If something terrible happens like a crash or data
 loss - report it over at our bug tracker. That easy!
 
 
 Chat: http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=libreoffice-qa
 
 Wiki: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugHunting_Session_4.3.0_RC1
 
 Blog(s) on last bug hunting session: https://joelmadero.wordpress.com/
 
 
 Last one we saw about 15 new faces in our chat, if we could see another
 15 this round it would be fantastic. Thanks all in advance!
 
 
 
 Best,
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] New Whiteboard Statuses

2014-06-05 Thread Joren DC

Hi Xisco, *,

Xisco Faulí schreef op 5/06/2014 10:32:
does it make sense to include another status for the regression issues 
where the problematic commit has been identified ? I'm asking it 
because yesterday I spent some time on this task and I could chase 
down two regressions, one of them made by a Collabora developer ( I've 
already sent him an email ) and the other by a merged AOO commit.

I'm not sure about this.
If you did track the bug down to a single commit (or developer), I think 
the keyword 'regression' + whiteboard 'bibisected' + a ping on IRC/CC or 
email to the particular developer is the best way.


I think having the commit range, clear step-by-step actions, good 
summary/title and prioritizing is the most important in that case. I'm 
quite sure a developer who's willing to hunt down a regression will see 
the comment pointing towards a particular bug. Especially if you comment 
on it and place him/her in CC at once.


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] New Whiteboard Statuses

2014-06-05 Thread Joren DC

Hi,

Jay Philips schreef op 5/06/2014 4:45:

I think it might be a good idea to include the following whiteboard
keywords -

HasDebug or HasBacktrace  HasStrace - When the bug reporter or
commenter has included the backtrace or strace output, so devs can
easily see this list
I didn't invent it, but we have a keyword with 'have-backtrace' for this 
purpose.


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] New Whiteboard Statuses

2014-06-05 Thread Joren DC

Hi Kohei,

Kohei Yoshida schreef op 5/06/2014 15:06:

So, to me personally, this practice of witch-hunting (or
finger-pointing) really bogs me down, especially I receive such notice
hundreds of times during a typical development cycle.

Well, that's at least not what I'm talking about right now.
(1) we (I) are (am) only talking about bugs we can track down to 1 
single commit or developer. Not a developer in general by component 
(writer, calc, ...), which we do now to try to avoid as much as 
possible. I'm not sure that there are that many QA'ers or reporters 
which can track down to 1 single developer/commit?
I'm not a developer at all and just to provide me an idea: do you still 
receive that much CC's on bugs compared to months/a year ago?


(2) we discussed this yesterday on the QA-call too. Our conclusion was 
to just kindly ping a developer in particular on IRC. 
(https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2014/June_04#Topics_for_ESC.3F) 
If not I still am 'pro' an active approach and mail the particular 
developer (in private) or put him/her in CC.


(3) and as far my experience concerns... I already know which developers 
are and are not open for a nice (not pointing, just asking) SINGLE 
message. I think other core QA members do have such experience too.

  Since statistically every change one makes can and will cause *some*
regressions in some obscure corners, this disadvantages those who make
lots of changes, even when those changes are to fix other regressions
and bugs.

True, but luckely not all regression cases are 'obscure' and border cases.

And some of these sometimes escalate to a (often repeated) demand of a
revert of the commit, which is another blow especially when the change
itself took weeks and weeks of careful coding to get conceived. One can
be as careful as possible, and still (and almost always) break somethign
somewhere.
Again: true. But we are not talking about: bug the particular developer 
as much as possible, if he doesn't react/revert/fix spam his email and 
IRC with threats to revert that commit ...


I think we have to find the most constructive approach to get a 
regression bug fixed, with respect to the situation (developer, commit 
message, ...) and severity.


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] New Whiteboard Statuses

2014-06-05 Thread Joren DC


Joel Madero schreef op 5/06/2014 17:26:


Ah I didn't see that. We should change it to camel case to be
consistent. HaveBacktrace. Will include on whiteboard page.
Just to be sure: have-backtrace is a keyword and our key words are not 
camel-cased ;-). We may want to consider to make it more consistent if 
we have our own bugzilla instance :-)?


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Installation dependency bug reports

2014-05-09 Thread Joren DC

Hi,

Can a developer please have a look to:
* bug 77293 (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77293)
* bug 78234 (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78234)

Both reports are about a failing installation. As far I can see it looks 
like they fail both on the same error (failing installation of 
libobasis4.2 or lodevbasis4.3).


Thanks in advance for your time,
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Image Upload Problem with Bugzilla

2014-04-26 Thread Joren DC

Hi Jay,

Jay Philips schreef op 26/04/2014 13:52:
Everytime i upload a jpg or png on bugzilla, i have to go back into 
the file and change it mime type. Is this supposed to be like this?
Sadly we are aware of this. We already did report it to FDO, but it is 
not fixed yet. If I'm correct this only happens when you attach the 
image/document at the creation of the bug itself, using the form at 
freedesktop (not our own BSA).
Some devs and QA members are working hard to set up our own bugzilla. If 
done, we can hopefully have a look ourself.


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Extensive docx conversion tests...

2014-04-26 Thread Joren DC

Hi Jay and other QA volunteers,

Jay Philips schreef op 22/04/2014 5:51:
snip

Thanks for testing LibreOffice extensively :-). Just one more hint: if 
you found a bug, and before you report a bug, make sure the bug is still 
present in our latest master version. This is the version developers are 
currently working on (currently that is 4.3.0). If it is still 
reproducible in that version, you can be 99% sure it is not fixed yet.
It might happen some bugs are still reproducible using 4.2.x or older 
versions, but are fixed in upcoming 4.3 versions :-).


You can find this master builds over here: 
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Extensive docx conversion tests...

2014-04-26 Thread Joren DC

Hi Jay,

Jay Philips schreef op 26/04/2014 14:56:

Hi Joren,

Thanks for looking into my reports.

I think we have to thank you for testing and your clean reports :-).
I am testing it also on the master build, as you can see i do mention 
things like Tested in 4.0 - 4.3. and Regression starting in 4.2. 
Tested on 4.3 as well., stated that 4.3 alpha was also tested. :)

Yes, my bad. I saw it afterwards too.

Have a nice day,
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] bibisect suggestion

2014-04-22 Thread Joren DC
Bjoern Michaelsen schreef op 21/04/14 23:57:
 On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 05:43:43PM -0400, Terrence Enger wrote:
 From the QA meeting minutes:

 (*) SUGGESTION: Standardization of our summary field for Bugzilla
 (*) Or: When searching for one phrase, display results from a
  similar one (e.g. image - picture or graphic)
 
 Hmm, Im uncertain as to what the goal is here and if its reachable.

I did this suggestion due the fact a couple of days ago:
I found a new bug report I knew it already was reported earlier (dupe).
while searching for a bugs with summary 'color', I didn't found the
dupe. After 5 minutes I thought about searching for 'coloUr' which
showed the original bug ...
So my goal was to ease a bit our search for dupes.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Inserting an image from an URL removes page break in LO 4.1.5.3?

2014-04-06 Thread Joren DC
Thomas Hackert schreef op 6/04/14 09:00:
 I copied an image from 
 https://www.google.com.mx/search?q=solsource=lnmstbm=ischsa=Xei=R5UyU5e5OOXLsQT8rIDAAwved=0CAYQ_AUoAQbiw=1024bih=483#facrc=_imgdii=_imgrc=LqB-IrJ9puxFEM%253A%3BJ_D6dBUvsAJ5qM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fupload.wikimedia.org%252Fwikipedia%252Fcommons%252Ff%252Ff6%252FAfiche_del_sol.svg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fes.wikipedia.org%252Fwiki%252FSol%3B3880%3B2560
  
 into Writer via context menu and selecting Paste. This neither 
 crashes nor slows down Writer, as the bug reporter has written it in 
 his bug description. So far, so good :)

 
 But when I deselect the image, go to Insert – Manual Break... and 
 press Enter, I can paste the same copy of this picture on the 
 following page in LO Version: 4.2.3.3 Build ID: 
 6c3586f855673fa6a1576797f575b31ac6fa0ba3 (parallel installed, 
 following the instructions from 
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel) with 
 Germanophone lang- as well as helppack under Debian Testing i686. So 
 far, so good, so ... ;)
 
 But if I try the same with LO Version: 4.1.5.3 Build-ID: 
 1c1366bba2ba2b554cd2ca4d87c06da81c05d24, it removes the page break 
 instead ... :(

Tested using Mac OSX 10.9 with LibreOffice Version: 4.1.5.3
Build ID: 1c1366bba2ba2b554cd2ca4d87c06da81c05d24
I also can reproduce a major slowdown and freezes. Also I can reproduce
the fact the second pasted image removes the page break.

 Steps to reproduce:
 1. Go to the above mentioned Gargle link
 2. Rightclick on one of the images and choose Copy image (or 
 something like that. In German, it is Grafik kopieren)
 3. Open Writer
 4. Rightclick in Writer and choose Paste
 5. Click somewhere next to the image to deselect it
 6. Go to Insert – Manual Break...
 7. Press the Enter key
 8. Try this in 4.1.5.3 as well as 4.2.3.3.
 
 You will see, that in 4.2.3.3 the page break will still be there 
 after inserting the image on the second side. In LO 4.1.5.3 this 
 page break will vanish ... :(

Confirmed, in 4.2.3.3 the page break retains.

 Can someone confirm it with a different OS/architecture or even in 
 an older version of LO? Does anybody know, if this is already 
 reported? Or should I add this as a comment to bug #76624??

Not sure this is already reported, but I'm not sure reporting a bug for
LibreOffice 4.1-branch is worth it. If we find/bibisect the commit that
fixed this issue, it may not be backportable to upcoming EOL version 4.1.6.

Also it _might_ be fixed thanks to the fix of bug 52547
(https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52547)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call 2014-01-09

2014-01-15 Thread Joren DC
Markus Mohrhard schreef op 15/01/14 12:49:

 You can help by fixing the crashes or validation errors. Additionally
 there are a number of scripting tasks to make the information a bit
 pretty.
I did make a little python stats script that can display the total
number of passers/crashers per mimetype, that is parsed to csv format.
Easy to open using LibreOffice (of course ;-) ) and do some
calculations/visualization on it. I guess that's already a good starting
point for stats, but sadly I don't have time to develop it any further
next month or so (exams, master thesis, ...).

 IMHO it makes no sense to treat them as normal bugs or check the bug
 reports. The bug numbers in there are just part of the name of the
 file. It does not mean that they have any relations to the bug report.
 From my point of view the crash testing is more a developer tool that
 we use similar to unit tests to improve quality. From a QA perspective
 I think you can just enjoy the numbers and the improved quality.
True. For a non-developer, but QA volunteer, I am only interested in the
numbers. (trend per mimetype, and general trend).

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Migration: Abbreviation to replace fdo#12345

2013-12-17 Thread Joren DC
Robinson Tryon schreef op 17/12/13 13:41:
 Hi everyone,

 Here are the final tallies from the voting:
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2013/December_16#PENDING_ITEM:_Bugzilla_Migration_etc.

 blo (1)
 libo (2)
 lbz (3)
 lob (3)
 lo (6)
 lobz (7)

 -

 Separated by just a single vote, lo and lobz are (unsurprisingly) the
 favorites :-)
What about lbz, which is a combination of our 2 top-votes (lo and lobz)?
lbz was also one of the choises, but it looks like a golden midway
between the top votes :)?

Just my 2 cents

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Welcome screen help button redirects to wrong page

2013-12-13 Thread Joren DC
Alex Thurgood schreef op 13/12/13 19:37:
 Hi,

 This may have already been noticed, but has anyone noticed that current
 master builds of 4.2 , when clicking on the Welcome screen on startup of
 LO, point to :

 http://www.libreoffice.org/
Corresponding bug report: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72420

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Base Show stopper in LibreOffice 4.2 Beta2

2013-12-13 Thread Joren DC
Dan Lewis schreef op 13/12/13 23:16:
  I just filed a bug, but I was not given a number for it.
Running a search query
(https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advancedemailreporter1=1list_id=374629email1=elderdanlewis%40gmail.comproduct=LibreOfficeemailtype1=substring)
result in this bug:

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72696

   I have a database three tables that are related. Table A has a
 foreign key linked to the primary key of Table B. Table B has a
 foreign key linked to the primary key of Table C. I created a form
 containing these three tables and added data to it. Normally, when you
 change the visible record of Table B, the visible records for Table A
 should also change. They do when using 4.1.4.1, but for 4.2 Beta2,
 they don't.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Math] Clicking in Formular does not let the cursor change its position in the main part

2013-12-08 Thread Joren DC
Thomas Hackert schreef op 8/12/13 18:24:
 . If I copy this formular to Math, then click on the formular in the 
 main window, I cannot see the cursor jumping to its corresponding 
 position ... :( Is it only on my system? Or can anyone else with a 
 different OS/architecture confirm this? Or is this an error in the 
 test description?
Tested using:
Mac OSX 10.9 with LibreOffice Version: 4.2.0.0.beta2 Build ID:
1a27be92e320f97c20d581a69ef1c8b99ea9885d
I see a blinking cursor in the edit-window, nicely where I clicked in
the main window.

So I can not reproduce this behavior.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Migration: Abbreviation to replace fdo#12345

2013-12-01 Thread Joren DC
Robinson Tryon schreef op 1/12/13 19:31:
 Well...looks like it's time to take a vote :P Voting Rules: * Please
 vote for as many of the listed choices as you like (Approval Voting) *
 Per our discussion, I'm reserving 'tdf' for future use * If there's no
 clear winner, we can have a run-off
 Here's the list (in alphabetical order):
 * blo
No
 * lbz
Yes
 * libo
Yes
 * lo
No
 * lob
Yes
 * lobz
Yes

If I only can make 1 vote: libo

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Fantastic Work QA Team :)

2013-11-24 Thread Joren DC
Joel Madero schreef op 24/11/13 18:04:
 Hi All,

 Last week I sent out an email congratulating the team for getting the
 bug count down to 1,1,24 unconfirmed bugs (this was down nearly 100 in
 just a couple weeks).

 Well, thanks to some incredible effort by members of the team, we're
 now down to 987 bugs - in just 3 days (yes, 3) we've dropped the
 number by nearly 150 bugs. We've also handled a ton of the really old
 unconfirmed bugs which is great.
To visualize this spectacular drop:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/reports.cgi?product=LibreOfficedatasets=UNCONFIRMED

Nice work team!

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Joren

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