[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 102302] 'Title Slide' and 'Centered Text' slide layouts ignores content colors

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Yousuf Philips (jay)  changed:

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 Blocks||102341

--- Comment #11 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #10)
> * Master provides access to subtitles next to the auto-layouts

Tried to think of a plausible way this could be done, but couldnt come up with
one, so look forward to seeing your mockup.

> Alternative solutions, except of killing styles:
> * Master is not used to deal with styles, i.e. no font color

The good thing about master slide mode is that users are modifying the
underlying styles like they normally modify direct formatting.

> * Master is/can be defined per slide layout (Slide design is actually a
> dialog to access templates per Load...); Microsoft Powerpoint works like this

Doubt it would be easy to change to powerpoint's concept of master slides and
their child layouts, but it would be nice to assign a default layout to a
master slide. We currently have 3 main layout types - Title+Subtitle,
Title+Content, Subtitle

> * Styles dialog gets an overhaul and it becomes clear what style can be
> changed

Would have to hear more about the idea to get what you mean.

> * Workaround: Sidebar shows Styles and Formatting > Presentation Styles in
> master edit mode with a WYSIWYG preview; the subtitle is part of this list

Should likely be renamed Master Slide Element Styles for better clarity as i
always assumed it was a global style for the entire presentation, as thats how
paragraph and cell styles are, but actually they are per master slide styles.

> Presentation styles cannot be applied to the selection, meaning I cannot
> switch a subtitle into a title. That's confusing since Graphic Styles, which
> are applied to text boxes and have the same look and feel as auto-layouts,
> work as expected.

I was confused on this as well previously.


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102341
[Bug 102341] [META] Master slide mode bugs and enhancements
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 102302] 'Title Slide' and 'Centered Text' slide layouts ignores content colors

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--- Comment #10 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #8)
* Master provides access to subtitles next to the auto-layouts

Alternative solutions, except of killing styles:
* Master is not used to deal with styles, i.e. no font color
* Master is/can be defined per slide layout (Slide design is actually a dialog
to access templates per Load...); Microsoft Powerpoint works like this
* Styles dialog gets an overhaul and it becomes clear what style can be changed

* Workaround: Sidebar shows Styles and Formatting > Presentation Styles in
master edit mode with a WYSIWYG preview; the subtitle is part of this list

Presentation styles cannot be applied to the selection, meaning I cannot switch
a subtitle into a title. That's confusing since Graphic Styles, which are
applied to text boxes and have the same look and feel as auto-layouts, work as
expected. When we rename this style to Master Style it would be more clear (or
we drop one of the styles *g*).

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 102302] 'Title Slide' and 'Centered Text' slide layouts ignores content colors

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--- Comment #9 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #8)
> Well i guess my issue boils down to a user being able to modify all the
> various placeholder textboxes and their styles interactively in master slide
> mode except for subtitle, where they would have to use the styles sidebar in
> order to modify it.

Indeed, thats the issue here.

> So i guess we can reopen this bug to address this issue, or we can start up
> a new bug about it.

done with bug 102318

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 102302] 'Title Slide' and 'Centered Text' slide layouts ignores content colors

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--- Comment #8 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
Well i guess my issue boils down to a user being able to modify all the various
placeholder textboxes and their styles interactively in master slide mode
except for subtitle, where they would have to use the styles sidebar in order
to modify it.

We have the 'object area for autolayouts' placeholder textbox which occupies
the same space used by the subtitle textbox in Title Slide layout, but the
textbox doesnt have a first line with text like 'Click to edit the subtitle
text format', so a user could get easy access to modifying it.

Not having an easily accessible interactive means of modifying the subtitle in
master slide mode is bad UX and something the average user wont discover as the
only means to modify it is in a dialog.

So i guess we can reopen this bug to address this issue, or we can start up a
new bug about it.

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--- Comment #7 from Regina Henschel  ---
Having the placeholder presentation objects on the master slide in addition to
the style dialog is first time confusing. But that is not a reason
to drop the styles. Do not kill styles from Impress.

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--- Comment #6 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Looks like the concept of master slide interferes with the styles concept. I'm
fine with NAB, but how about killing the styles from Impress?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 102302] 'Title Slide' and 'Centered Text' slide layouts ignores content colors

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Cor Nouws  changed:

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 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
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--- Comment #5 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #4)
> (In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #3)
> > attachment 127447 [details] behaves as I would expect...
> 
> If you switch the slide layout to centered text the font color is black.

Ah :) then select the frame, right click and choose Edit style, and notice the
dialog says "Subtitle". So it's just another style that is used there. OK?

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--- Comment #4 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #3)
> attachment 127447 [details] behaves as I would expect...

If you switch the slide layout to centered text the font color is black.

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--- Comment #3 from Cor Nouws  ---
hmm... I don't understand the problem.
attachment 127447 behaves as I would expect: red text in title text box and
green in other text boxes from page layouts .. ?

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--- Comment #2 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(Removing UX keyword since it's an ordinary bug)

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--- Comment #1 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Created attachment 127447
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=127447=edit
Master with red title and green content

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