[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 150812] Rename the "Search Commands" menu item
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150812 --- Comment #15 from Eyal Rozenberg --- (In reply to Adolfo Jayme Barrientos from comment #14) > (In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #10) > > 1. Don't they see that _some_ change has happened? > > 2. Won't they notice the ellipsis? > > 3. Aren't there reviews on translation changes? > > Alas, “no” is the answer for the three questions. We work alone, it is > highly demandating (I myself translate LibreOffice to three languages!) and > we often miss subtle changes like added ellipsis. I don’t want this to sound > like self-pity, but localization is very underregarded among FLOSS projects, > and our tools are often not up for snuff (for instance, our Weblate doesn’t > highlight the exact differences). I actually brought this up in the recent LOCon: https://events.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice-conference-2022/talk/SNBAMY/ Slide 19. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 150812] Rename the "Search Commands" menu item
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150812 --- Comment #14 from Adolfo Jayme Barrientos --- (In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #10) > 1. Don't they see that _some_ change has happened? > 2. Won't they notice the ellipsis? > 3. Aren't there reviews on translation changes? Alas, “no” is the answer for the three questions. We work alone, it is highly demandating (I myself translate LibreOffice to three languages!) and we often miss subtle changes like added ellipsis. I don’t want this to sound like self-pity, but localization is very underregarded among FLOSS projects, and our tools are often not up for snuff (for instance, our Weblate doesn’t highlight the exact differences). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 150812] Rename the "Search Commands" menu item
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150812 --- Comment #13 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to BogdanB from comment #12) > If the decision is final I can work on this bug. The doer decides. Could repeat my personal opinion again but since we have different views you should make your own mind (even resolving WF is valid). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 150812] Rename the "Search Commands" menu item
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150812 BogdanB changed: What|Removed |Added CC||buzea.bog...@libreoffice.or ||g --- Comment #12 from BogdanB --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #8) > We discussed the topic in the design meeting and decided to follow Mike's > suggestion "Search for Commands..." (mind the ellipsis). > > Code pointer: > officecfg/registry/data/org/openoffice/Office/UI/GenericCommands.xcu > If the decision is final I can work on this bug. Search Commands -> Search for Commands... I am waiting for an answer. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 150812] Rename the "Search Commands" menu item
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150812 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||151228 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151228 [Bug 151228] [META] Search for commands -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 150812] Rename the "Search Commands" menu item
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150812 --- Comment #11 from Buovjaga --- (In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #10) > (In reply to Adolfo Jayme Barrientos from comment #9) > > It is better to use this opportunity to > > have LO match most other software: it should be “Command Palette”. > > I would not know for sure what a Command Palette is, and that doesn't sound > like something which would let me search. Also, my suggestion here was > inspired somewhat by the CLion IDE, where the menu item reads "Find > Action...". I never heard of it myself, but a search turns up hits, it seems popular especially in code editors: https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/getstarted/userinterface#_command-palette https://docs.github.com/en/get-started/using-github/github-command-palette https://www.tutorialspoint.com/sublime_text/sublime_text_command_palette.htm https://jupyterlab.readthedocs.io/en/stable/user/commands.html https://www.ultraedit.com/wiki/Command_palette https://docs.lapce.dev/get-started/command-palette https://help.sap.com/docs/SAP%20Business%20Application%20Studio/9d1db9835307451daa8c930fbd9ab264/78788bf69e7c4834a2d3411b10c5d84a.html https://www.jetbrains.com/help/datalore/dl-command-palette.html -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 150812] Rename the "Search Commands" menu item
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150812 --- Comment #10 from Eyal Rozenberg --- (In reply to Adolfo Jayme Barrientos from comment #9) > If we are going to modify this string and have it go again through the > translation process, this change is too subtle and, in my experience, I’ve > seen that many teams will simply not see the subtlety and submit an > identical translation from their TM. 1. Don't they see that _some_ change has happened? 2. Won't they notice the ellipsis? 3. Aren't there reviews on translation changes? Finally, if they translate to the same thing, then - maybe they have already corrected the ambiguity in their language to begin with. > It is better to use this opportunity to > have LO match most other software: it should be “Command Palette”. I would not know for sure what a Command Palette is, and that doesn't sound like something which would let me search. Also, my suggestion here was inspired somewhat by the CLion IDE, where the menu item reads "Find Action...". -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 150812] Rename the "Search Commands" menu item
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150812 --- Comment #9 from Adolfo Jayme Barrientos --- If we are going to modify this string and have it go again through the translation process, this change is too subtle and, in my experience, I’ve seen that many teams will simply not see the subtlety and submit an identical translation from their TM. It is better to use this opportunity to have LO match most other software: it should be “Command Palette”. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 150812] Rename the "Search Commands" menu item
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150812 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords|needsUXEval |difficultyBeginner, ||easyHack, skillDesign, ||topicDesign Ever confirmed|0 |1 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |heiko.tietze@documentfounda |.freedesktop.org|tion.org, ||mentoring@documentfoundatio ||n.org Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW Blocks||115596 --- Comment #8 from Heiko Tietze --- We discussed the topic in the design meeting and decided to follow Mike's suggestion "Search for Commands..." (mind the ellipsis). Code pointer: officecfg/registry/data/org/openoffice/Office/UI/GenericCommands.xcu Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115596 [Bug 115596] [META] Labels of UNO commands bugs and enhancements -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 150812] Rename the "Search Commands" menu item
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150812 --- Comment #7 from Eyal Rozenberg --- (In reply to Mike Saunders from comment #6) Modulo bikeshedding, Mike's suggestion is fine by me... I like "Find Command" better because: * Two words instead of three * I don't know why, but I don't like seeing "for" in a menu. It has a "narrative" feeling for me. * (weaker argument) Matches Edit | Find -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 150812] Rename the "Search Commands" menu item
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150812 --- Comment #6 from Mike Saunders --- I see the point Eyal is raising, and "Search for commands" makes more sense IMO. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 150812] Rename the "Search Commands" menu item
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150812 QA Administrators changed: What|Removed |Added Ever confirmed|1 |0 Status|NEEDINFO|UNCONFIRMED -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 150812] Rename the "Search Commands" menu item
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150812 --- Comment #5 from QA Administrators --- [Automated Action] NeedInfo-To-Unconfirmed -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 150812] Rename the "Search Commands" menu item
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150812 --- Comment #4 from Eyal Rozenberg --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #2) > Don't see an advantage of Find over Search. The advantage is in removing the double-meaning of commands-regarding-search vs search-for-commands, not in the choice of words itself. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 150812] Rename the "Search Commands" menu item
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150812 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14 ||8073 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 150812] Rename the "Search Commands" menu item
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150812 --- Comment #3 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #2) > bug 148703 Writer crash on undo after paste - seems to be wrong It's bug 148073, Consider renaming "Search Commands" to "Search and execute commands", resolved NAB. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 150812] Rename the "Search Commands" menu item
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150812 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Ever confirmed|0 |1 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEEDINFO --- Comment #2 from Heiko Tietze --- Don't see an advantage of Find over Search. In fact, KDE's HUD Krunner shows "Search..." (it has much more capabilities) and on macOS it is "Spotlight Search". (In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #0) > Note: I don't support the rename suggestion in 148703, and its motivation is > different. bug 148703 Writer crash on undo after paste - seems to be wrong -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 150812] Rename the "Search Commands" menu item
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150812 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists ||.freedesktop.org, ||vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu Severity|normal |enhancement Keywords||needsUXEval --- Comment #1 from V Stuart Foote --- Something for Italo and marketing... but as a feature it could use a snappy name. But it's quikee's baby--maybe he'd like to put something out there. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 150812] Rename the "Search Commands" menu item
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150812 Eyal Rozenberg changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91 ||874 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
